Open Thread: Iowa Caucus Showdown
After a seemingly infinite number of debates, today is the first actual day of voting in the 2012 Republican presidential campaign. The most recent polling indicates a Romney-Paul-Santorum finish. Is that what we'll see or will there be any surprises? Share your predictions here.
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picked up a hitchhiker
Submitted by MidAmerica on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:10pm.
I don't really care who wins as long as it's not Paul. I want a Republican to win.
I want a conservative...
Submitted by MightyMouth on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 8:22pm.
Too many 'Republicans' have let me down. Ron Paul is a disaster so he is out... Cain looked good but failed the test (the same test BJ Clinton passed, go figure).
I want a conservative...
Submitted by MightyMouth on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 8:23pm.
Damn double click!
I dont know because Iowa is
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 12:54pm.
I dont know because Iowa is hard to predict. I hope Gingrich gets into one of the top three. He has disappointed me a bit in his attitude to the primaries.
Biden is a #@%$%*
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 1:03pm.
The militant groups which signed accord and promised to work together with the Afghan Taliban include the Maulvi Nazeer group in South Waziristan, Hakimullah Mahsud group, Maulana Waliur Rahman group, both operating in South Waziristan and part of the TTP, Hafiz Gul Bahadur group in North Waziristan, and the powerful Haqqani network.
We apparently don't need enemies when we have thinkers like Biden who believe that Hamas is not an enemy. At least this administration was able to bring together to groups of people that have hated each other.
Pretty sure
Submitted by KornKing on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 1:40pm.
Thinking Rick Perry will slip into 3rd or 4th
Perry will take Texas...
Submitted by MightyMouth on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 8:25pm.
But that's just a guess on my part :-)
Holding out for Perry
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 3:09pm.
I don't know about the rest of you, and some of you have made your positions clear on this, but I'm holding out for Gov Perry. Especially after that one incident where Perry got on that Politico Hack about "some say in your campaign" comment that got him bitch-slapped by Perry so fast it made his head spin.(H/T to BK on video, that was great) I'd like to see that from the other candidates, but I'm sorry, I don't see that happening.
He's the only one I have any real faith in, other than that, it'll have to be Newt and that's pretty much it. All the rest of them......sorry, not a change, and HELL NO to Romney.
God Help the US.
-Jon
Predicting the caucus winners is extremely difficult & foolish..
Submitted by Conservator on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 3:13pm.
...but I'll give it a try:
1) Santorum
2) Romney
3) Gingrich
4) Perry
5) Paul
6) Bachmann
7) Huntsman
Now that I've made my foolhardy predictions, I'll share another. I believe the big story tomorrow will be Ron Paul picking up less than half of the votes most polls indicate.
Agree, expect for 3,4...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 5:08pm.
...need to swap Perry and Newt.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Paul is going to win (the
Submitted by VBaxter on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 3:27pm.
I agree with Conservator. No one knows who is going to win, Iowa is pretty unpredictable, but here is my prediction:
Paul is going to win (the real conservative).
Romney second.
Santorum third.
Gingrich fourth.
Perry fifth.
Bachmann sixth.
Hunstman seventh.
Ron Paul 2012
Lot of truthers
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 3:34pm.
in Iowa?
Gosh, I hope not. Those
Submitted by VBaxter on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 3:37pm.
Gosh, I hope not. Those people are crazy.
Ron Paul 2012
Ron Paul would be very
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 4:25pm.
Ron Paul would be very surprised to hear himself called a conservative.
and if YOU think he is, how do you explain this:
Why Young Liberals Like Me Will Vote for Ron Paul
She didn't give one reason
Submitted by VBaxter on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 4:51pm.
She didn't give one reason why she would vote for him, so I wouldn't know.
Ron Paul 2012
Ron Paul wouldn't be surprised a bit to be called a conservative
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:28pm.
...yes, he's a Libertarian...yes, he's somewhat of a political maverick...no, he's not a "conservative" on every single issue and on some may even be aligned with the "Left". But...
--He was a supporter of Reagan and was praised by Reagan;
--He has won the CPAC presidential straw poll for the past two years;
--The American Conservative Union's lifetime rating of 87 puts Paul solidly in the mid/upper ranks of conservative legislators;
--The Club for Growth [apparently Tom Blumer's gold standard for rating a politician's conservatism] ranks Paul higher on the conservative scale than any other current GOP presidential candidate except for Michele Bachmann;
--On issues of fiscal conservatism--such as taxes, spending, and government regulations--Paul is just about as conservative as is humanly possible.
Jer
Come on, Jer
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:32pm.
The PaulBots pack the ballot on all of the straw polls, rendering them meaningless.
If Ron Paul didn't see Dennis Kucinich in the foreign policy mirror, he would be a very fine conservative....but when he's a left wing loon's identical twin in that regard, sorry....no dice.
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Blonde...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:52pm.
I guess a lot depends on what instrument is being used to define and measure one's ideology and how finely it is calibrated. For example, applying the foreign policy standards of the neoconservatives, a more traditional non-interventionist conservative like Pat Buchanan wouldn't make the grade.
Jer
I'm not into that whole "neo" nonsense, Jer
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 12:03am.
Conservative is conservative, and as we all know, the "neocon" is code. Liberal, perjorative code.
Ron Paul is a conservative in his fiscal and moral stances, however, IMO, and I feel fairly confident that I speak for many conservatives here, his foreign policy stances disqualify him from our ranks.
He is what he is, a Libertarian. Don't get me wrong, I like Dr. Paul, and I feel he brings a lot to the table.
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⇒ I'm with you Blonde
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 12:17am.
In foreign affairs, I can't go along with Paul's world view either.
Bill Clinton chose to ignore horrendous slaughter in Rwanda. I'm still sickened by our inaction there.
Blonde...Neoconservatism is NOT Liberal pejorative code...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 1:15am.
it's not any kind of code.
From Conservapedia:
DUAL ORIGINS
"One major strand of Neoconservatism emerged from a group of New York intellectuals, many of whom attended City College of New York in the late 1930s, a group that includes Irving Kristol, Daniel Bell, Seymour Martin Lipset and Nathan Glazer.[1] Many of this group came to despise the counterculture of the 1960s and what they felt was a growing "anti-Americanism" among many baby boomers. During the Cold War era, most vigorously opposed the Stalinist regime.[2] Kristol described a neoconservative as a "liberal mugged by reality".
Paleoconservatives, who dislike Neoconservatism intensely, have argued that it emerged from Trotskyite theories, especially the notion of permanent revolution. There are four fundamental flaws in the paleoconservatives' attack: most of the neoconservatives were never Trotskyites; none of them ever subscribed to the right-wing Socialism of Max Shachtman; the assertion that neoconservatives subscribe to "inverted Trotskyism" is misleading; and neoconservatives advocate democratic globalism, not permanent revolution.[3]
Strauss
A second main line of development of neoconservatism was strongly influenced by the work of German-American political philosopher Leo Strauss. Some of Strauss' students include Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork, former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, former Assistant Secretary of State Alan Keyes, former Secretary of Education William Bennett, Weekly Standard editor William Kristol, political philosopher Allan Bloom, former New York Post editorials editor John Podhoretz, former National Endowment for the Humanities Deputy Chairman John T. Agresto; politial scientist Harry V. Jaffa; and Nobel Prize winning novelist Saul Bellow.
Values
Neoconservatives also tend to minimize or overlook the significance of religious beliefs in conflicts and policies, as in advocating the installation of democracy in Muslim countries with little regard for Islamic beliefs and practices.
Neoconservatives hold an idealistic belief in social progress and the universality of human rights, coupled with anti-Communism. They hold the view that there is a universal desire to live in a technologically advanced and prosperous society and liberal democracy is one of the byproducts of such modernization.
Publications
The leading publications of neoconservatives since the 1970s have been Commentary, The Public Interest (founded by Daniel Bell and Irving Kristol) and The Weekly Standard. Many Washington think tanks, such as the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), the Project For New American Century (PNAC), Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) and Henry Jackson Society are now dominated by neoconservatives...."
Jer
Yes, Jer, it is
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 1:16am.
I'm tired tonight, so I won't stay up and provide the links.....but I think I have them (I hope I do)....I know they used to be on one of the forum threads that got blasted.
Stay tuned....
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⇒ I agree with Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 1:33am.
It's no more a pejorative than "limp-wristed liberal".
I didn't realize you had such a low opinion of the Bush foreign
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 1:54am.
policy, but you're certainly entitled to it.
Jer
⇒ Where have you been, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 2:18am.
We are talking about a President who sided with his good friend, Johnny Sutton against two border agents, aren't we?
Trying to post a serious comment, Cool...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 2:58am.
instead of making silly and irrelevant comparisons to "limp-wristed liberals". You might benefit from reading this article in the Weekly Standard on Neoconservatism by Irving Kristol. I don't believe you'll find that he is offended by the term, ashamed of it, feels disparaged by it, or regards it in any sense a pejorative.
Jer
Bigfoot agrees
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 8:21pm.
Paul is going to win (the real conservative).
Of course he is. That's why he gets so much support from liberals, lol.
While the sheeple were drunk, the Dear Ruler made it official
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 3:37pm.
He now really is the Dear Ruler.
Welcome to Obama's Amerika, and you can thank the Republicans for helping to get us to this sorry point.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Yeah, along with the
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 3:51pm.
Yeah, along with the expediting of immigration visas, whether they're legal or not.
killa, I saw that story and nearly had a stroke
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 7:24pm.
And once again, Bonehead & Co just sit their with their heads up their bums, saying nothing and doing even less.
They should be raising Hell over what Obama is doing, instead they are helping to fund it.
I'm beginning to think the DNC has Polaroids of them all in bed with a dead woman or a live boy.
I voted for the repubs in 2010 because they said they were going to put the brakes on Obama's hideous agenda.
They haven't even managed to put a speed bump in front of him.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Levin is talking about this now Dave
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 9:22pm.
This is a lawless Admin. Misappropriating funds, changing laws, suing States, and funding their base with taxpayer monies. They own the law, enforcing the laws of their enemies while, refusing the laws that are supposed to be protecting the American people from invasion, in fact they encourage it.
We need to start lobbing for his impeachment. The media will slaughter who ever dares to suggest
Boudin, Yeah, I have been listening
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 9:52pm.
Levin is one of the very few talk show hosts I can even listen to anymore.
We need to start lobbing for his impeachment.
I agree, but the current repub leadership doesn't have the stones.
They are too afraid of being hit with the racism charge.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
But Dave
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 4:44pm.
Obama says he won't detain American citizens now that he has the power. And he's been sooo honest up to now hasn't he?
Rad, I'm just wondering how much further up their behinds...
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 7:15pm.
...the congressional repubs can shove their heads.
They just handed the Dear Ruler the keys to the gulags.
The repubs are supposed to be protecting us from this aspiring Kenyan tyrant, not helping to make him into one.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
ACLU
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 5:58pm.
I don't think much of them, but the ACLU was already making noise about it. Even CAIR was making noise about it.
ACLU and others against NDAA
Makes me wonder how many lawsuits there will be against this thing that we don't know about?
Either way, as Dave pointed out, he was making himself dictator all along, and to hell with you idiots that were poo-poo'ing the idea that he wasn't. To hell with you idiots that think he's incompetent and doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
Texas won't stand for this, that's for damn sure, if anything happens. People need to be told about this far and wide.
-Jon
Dave, Rush talked about this in his 3 rd hour, yesterday
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 3:09am.
Obama has had a full on bender and having fun with timmy the tax cheat go after all them overseas "secret' bank accounts from day one.
Actually all foreign accounts secret or not. The dirty little secret is having a bank account overseas.... It is assumed by O'bama, that the account is a crime( an account would have money in it, riiight do'h crime enough)
Yes and now more crimes on the books, ohh the fees and the fines, images of bureaucrats rejoicing...
New rules for 2012
Have an overseas bank account, you shall be instant jail fodder until you are broke.
Anyone with savings account is a terrorist.
Hay, the good news is that, this is way QUICKER railroad to serfdom than O'bamacare.
Debt is freedom....I did not know this...
I hope and Pray, No more We The People will never play catch with this one : “The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.”
You Didn't Build That.
"Compromise"
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 4:06pm.
Rick Santorum will be viewed as the "Compromise Candidate".
Romney will not gain enough traction to take the day. That East Coast bullying with "organization" won't work in Iowa. Neither will the Paul Bots bullying carry the day - though it will produce a better showing than will Romney's money bags.
As the arguments wage and the repeated votes fail to produce a "winner", folks will seek a way out. Santorum will benefit from that and some Romney voters, Newt voters, Bachmann voters and even some Paul Bots will decide that Santorum is the "compromise candidate".
Santorum wins Iowa, bringing about a strong Second Place finish in New Hampshire behind the arranged winner there, Mitt Romney. South Carolina will be a, well, basketcase, and the Old Guard will be put to the final test in Florida. It will either flex its heavy hand, supplying Romney with the Establishment win, or Santorum is on such a roll that the Establishment has no choice but to submit to his Republican Party Nomination.
Agree, Ashrak
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 4:16pm.
I don't believe anything will be settled until after Florida.
I suspect Bachmann will drop out after today. If Perry does a bit better than expected in Iowa, I think Palin endorses him, which may be a game changer. Huntsman thinks he's got a shot in New Hampshire, so what? He's toast once he heads south.
I see Romney, Santorum, Newt, Ron Paul, and Santorum (although he may be gone) by Florida, although if he wins Iowa I suspect he may be angling for the VP slot. At this point, I'm still planning to vote for Newt, although I'm giving Perry a second look. I want Romney to get the point, he better stay strictly on the straight and narrow conservative path once he gets the nomination (which I do believe is inevitable), but I'm not going to vote for him in the primary.
Paul will drop out eventually, and won't run as an indie, as it would destroy his son's (so far) promising Senate career.
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I think Michele should drop out,
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 5:13pm.
if, in Iowa, she gets smoked like trees in the California summertime. I think she gets flamed badly, more than she suspects. I think she has missed the point that folks are fed up with lawyers. She touts her tax attorney status as if it was a good thing. She misses, even as a TEA Partier, that folks have had it up to here with such a title of nobility. Michele lost her way, and did so early on, imho.
I think Palin still holds off. I am not convinced she isn't going to run absent a party, as a true independent - an individual. I most certainly hope she does so and am totally committed to voting for her as my choice. Might I end up alone on that front? I suppose that is possible, but at the same time, I will always know that I cast my vote for the person who is worthy of sitting behind that Resolute Desk. I agree that her endorsement could be powerful, but if she does offer one, I suspect it would not come until right before Super Tuesday.
A Romney nomination will only serve to prove that the Establishment GOP still controls, soundly, the entire GOP from a 1/4 minority status. That would be a shame, for it would demonstrate that a great many TEA Partiers talk a lot, but do not walk the walk.
I cannot say I would not like to see Newt set across a debate table from Barry. There can be no doubt that Newt would clean his clock - after wiping the floor with him. However, Newt is Old Guard, just like the rest of the GOP field. Old Guard is who has allowed Barry to get away with everything he has for the last several years - GunWalker included. On that simple note, the Old Guard is not worthy of even one vote - imho obviously.
I think you are correct about Paul. He will stay until the money bombs stop detonating and will not run third party (though Trump sure might and from the left to boot).
It would be so very interesting if all of these candidates stayed in until all 50 states full of people voted. Instead of "polls", newspapers and stations could report the actual numbers - of delegates earned. Actual numbers with meaning, what a concept! ;)
Ashrak, I can't say I disagree
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 5:37pm.
But I have a couple of points to add to your excellent post.
First, I will defend the Tea Party....we had a great showing in 2010 (remember, there was no such "wing" of the Republican Party before Barry), and these things take time. We know the establishment isn't going to go smiling into the night...we are going to have to continue to consolidate our power base, and to wrench control away from the Old Guard. I was sorely disappointed that Bachmann, as the nominal head of the Tea Party in the House, wasn't given a position of leadership. I truly hope the (soon to be) sophomores in the House, as well as any new members, push back and demand some real leadership positions in the House for the Tea Party members (same thing in the Senate). We need to remind the Establishment who got them the majority!!!!
I see Allen West in this sort of role. There is some talk of him here in Florida running for Bill Nelson's Senate Seat. I want to see Jeb Bush in that seat, and for Allen to continue getting some legislative experience under his belt, while making his way up the leadership ladder. Same thing for Marco Rubio. While I think he'd make an outstanding addition to ANY ticket in the VP slot, (he is much more experienced in legislative matters, as he was the Speaker of Florida's House), I'd also like to see him continue to expand his Senatorial chops, right where he is.
As a side note, and not really on topic but worth spreading, is that there is a great new conservative running over in Tampa for Betty Castor's district. He is being hailed as the "hispanic Allen West". He is Col. EJ Otero. I'd encourage people to look him up and keep an eye out for him, too.
One of the reasons I'm still mostly on board for Newt is that he has the Establishment's knickers in such a huge knot. That, IMO, is a very good thing. While he WAS, as you say, part of that establishment, and part of the culture that gave us this budgetary fiasco, I think he's seen the error of his ways. Unlike Romney (my big hit on the man) he is willing to admit his mistakes and say mea culpa. My biggest concern with Mitt as the nominee is his stupidity in regard to defending Romneycare. Had he just said "in retrospect, it WAS what my constituents wanted, but in hindsight was clearly a mistake", I'd be a whole lot happier with him.
Finally, we all need to let our voices be heard in the RNC. No more $$$ until you idiots start paying attention. We've been sending $$ to individual candidates (NY23) who while even not in our district, may have the opportunity to change the game. Furthermore, this Iowa/NH nonsense, and "fining" Florida half our delegates for going "early" (screw them and the horse they rode in on) has got to stop. We need to have some sort of rotating set of "Super Tuesdays", to give all states a fair shot at being "first". I'm over this idiocy.
Another sidebar: There's a good conservative named Karen Harrington who is running against Little Debs in the next district over. Every $10 helps. While she's not in my district and we are hugely supporting Allen West again, I may go volunteer for her as we get further into the race. It would be a gas to unseat Debbie Wasserman Loudmouth.
Finally, I'd encourage everyone to start doing more than blog. Get involved, do what you can financially and timewise to ensure we get the government we need. It's not all the big ticket, either. We have got to have good and BRAVE representatives to squash the can-kicking Establishment.
It's Tebow Time. And we all need to pretend we are Timmy, rally the troops, and carry the team on our backs if we can.
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Iowa First Of 57 States To Vote In The Republican Primary
Submitted by laree on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 4:07pm.
Iowa First In The Nation, Prepares To Saddle Up & We're Off To The Races. Some video of Imus Guest This Morning, James Carville and Frank Luntz both humping the inevitability of a Romney nomination, and simultaneously pointing how weak a candidate he will be in the General.
The top 10 most corrupt
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 4:44pm.
The top 10 most corrupt politicians of 2011 along with the honorable mentions. There are Republicans in there.
Chicago 1, 2
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 5:05pm.
...if Obama and Rahm aren't 1, 2 then the list is bogus.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Paul = spammers
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 5:03pm.
...check out Drudge caucus. Dr. 8% is up to over 30%.
hmmm...
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Right you are vrwc13
Submitted by MightyMouth on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 5:07pm.
The Paulbot tweet machine is going full bore on that Drudge 'poll'.
Iowa Results- to this point
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 10:40pm.
So far, we're looking at a three-way tie in the top tier and 10 point drop to the second tier. I think Bachmann will drop out; shame, she got railroaded on one silly comment that was overplayed by the media. Perry's in real trouble. He and Gingrich will both hold on through New Hampshire, and probably S. Carolina, but I think they're done after that.
That leaves tonight's top tier to fight it out, though if Santorum falters badly in NH, he probably will drop after S.Carolina too.
Sadly, that leaves only Romney and Paul. Seriously, Paul couldn't get the nomination, right? I'd hate to not exercise my right to vote for President this time around. I can't push the button for either Obama or Paul. I guess the question is, will stoners be able to "moneybomb" Paul enough to hang with Romney. I doubt it. Once it's down to Romney v. Paul, the sideline money will pour into Mitt's camp.
As of now, it's 23% for Romney, Paul, and Santorum, followed by Gingrich at 13%, Perry at 11%, Bachmann at 6%, and Huntsman at 1%.
I've never been a particular fan of Bachmann, but...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:01pm.
I actually feel a bit sorry for her about how things have turned out for her in Iowa. She was born there, still has ties there, and has spent A LOT of time campaigning there.
Like many believe, I think it will be Romney, Paul, and Santorum in the top three coming out of Iowa, not necessarily in that order, although I would dearly love it if Paul would finish worse than expected, and would just fade quietly away. As to what happens after tonight, who knows...There are a number of possible scenarios. It's going to be interesting.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Good evening Prairie
Submitted by cocodrie on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:15pm.
Have a blessed year. Bachmann was assaulted and abused by the press to a degree that was criminal. I look forward to Sarah Palin's speeches in support of whoever gets the nomination.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
And a very good evening to you coco...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Tue, 01/03/2012 - 11:34pm.
I completely agree about Bachmann. She made some early mistakes which hurt her, but you're right...She, like Sarah Palin, was savaged by the press, and I too am eagerly waiting to see who Sarah endorses, and am looking forward to her speeches in support of the nominee...I have loved to hear her speak ever since her address at the Repub convention in 2008...Wow.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Fox says it's 3rd place for Paul...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 01/04/2012 - 12:01am.
Bet the Paulbots are NOT happy campers... :-)
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan