Open Thread: Chevy Volt Buyback? Or Tax Credit Abuse?
Following a number of safety crash tests on GM's electric Chevy Volt that resulted in the cars' batteries igniting, GM has offered to buy the car back from any purchasers with safety concerns. The only problem is that when these buyers bought the Volt, they also received a $7500 tax credit from the government. Due to the lax rules of the tax credit, buyers are able to get a full refund for the car and still apply for the tax credit, even though they no longer own the vehicle.
The tax credit was designed to subsidize electric vehicles and encourage greener transportation, but perhaps most ironically, the people who this $7500 tax credit will benefit the most are the richest consumers who can afford an electric car in the first place.
Do you think anyone in the media will call out the Obama administration for hypocritically allowing the rich to keep this tax credit? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
Essentially, the IRS form for the electric car tax credit does not explicitly state the individual must own the vehicle for a minimum amount of time or currently own the vehicle. While the 2011 version of the form requires a VIN number, this number is easily accessible on vehicle documentation, even if the vehicle is no longer in the owner's possession. Therefore, if a buyer decides to return the Volt to GM and receive a full refund, there is no legal ramification for still applying for the $7500 tax credit.
According to an article by Mark Modica with the National Legal and Policy Center, this is far from being the only instance of tax credit abuse.
Overall abuse of the tax credits for plug-in vehicles is costing taxpayers millions of dollars. A USA Today article back in February estimated false claims for the credits at 20% equaling $33 million just for the first seven months of 2010. It is probable that the number has dramatically increased. The problem with the current scenario of ex-Volt owners scamming the tax credits is that it may be legal.
Not only is the tax credit legally benefitting the rich, but it is also benefitting President Obama's friends in the green energy business.
... Evidence continues to mount that the push towards electrification of America's auto fleet is costing billions of dollars only to benefit the wealthy purchasers of subsidized vehicles along with political cronies, like Obama pal Jeff Immelt who heads GE which sells the subsidized charging stations.
Will Congress attempt to deal with this wasteful spending?
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wow
Submitted by dmacleo on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:35am.
I had not even thought about that when I saw the buyback stuff.
good catch.
what can we do?
yup... 'wow' sums it up
Submitted by FearMonger on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:39am.
un-friggin'-believable. Can the USGov do anything right? Holy schnikes...
The short answer
Submitted by KornKing on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:15am.
No
What do I think?
Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:08am.
This is so petty in the grand scheme of Shiite that the RFBSOB and His commie buddies are doing to the country, that it's not worth getting in a lather over.
The man is a Fascist. That means that He NEEDS to keep big industry operating, just in a manner that He chooses. In this case, it's making GM build the types of cars that He thinks we need, and that help Him "redistribute" the wealth of the country to His liberal cronies.
Now this link below is the sort of "battery" we need to worry about, as His forces are marshalled.
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh6Oe0p57YMcDOg7Gi
Poor, misunderstood "kids."
The question
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:10am.
Will Congress attempt to deal with this wasteful spending?
Um, short answer: NO.
Longer answer: Come on, really? When has Congress, especially since it's under Republican Control of the Purse in the House, ever stopped the funding of anything, where stopping said funding is a benefit to this country like SoetoroCare or his constant vacations?
Look at GM, given that it was bailed out by the US Government, which means money taken from us at the point of a gun since we didn't want that to happen, when you get a car from GM, guess what, you're paying double or more because you already gave GM the money to bail them out. So really, when you buy a car from GM(or related), you're paying even more for it.
Now THAT'S wasteful spending.
-Jon
I read an article early yesterday about this
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:15am.
and I think Cool Arrow linked it last night sometime, and in it, a GM spokesperson began the walkback on the buyback program details.
So I guess it remains to be seen just how many vehicles will be bought back as opposed to temporarily replaced. It did occur to me when I heard Akerson's quote on the radio Monday -he clearly said Chevy would buy back vehicles from concerned Volt owners- that there is $7500 of taxpayer money in there somewhere that needs to be dealt with.
There has also been an issue with dealers taking the tax credit for themselves and GM allowing the practice. From MSNBC:
Apparently this practice put more Volts on dealers lots, which is why GM allowed it; it amounted to an artificial demand for the vehicle. My guess this thing goes the way of the Edsel real soon.
⇒ Unsafe at any voltage!
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:33am.
You gotta' laugh, don't you BK? OK, maybe Mel Brooks could write this script, but absolutely nobody else could.
What we need now is Ralph Nader with a reprise of "Unsafe at any Voltage" and we finish this movie like Blazing Saddles cutting through a gladiator set before stepping into our limousines.
OK, maybe not Blazing Saddles, but "The Producers" Dick Shawn, Gene Wilder? We've got to produce the biggest piece of crap possible to get out from under our debts.
Springtime for Obama!
You're not kidding CA
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:04pm.
the comedy of errors that is this administration will take years to "unfunny". The Mel Brooks reference made me thing of Bea Arthur in History of the World Part I as she questions Mel Brooks (Comicus) at the unemployment window.
Did you know you have to drain the batteries of the Volt immediately after an accident? Neither did the Feds. Apparently GM never passed that info along before the crash testing My guess GM didn't know either. I can see the meeting after the first fire; I'll bet it was like the NASA guys in Apollo 13 when they had to figure out how to contain the CO2 levels with nothing but what was onboard the LEM. Finally, someone says, "Hey. What if we drain the batteries?"
They're also surmising it could be a coolant leak; the batteries are liquid-cooled and if the coolant leaks, the lithium-ion overheats causing the fire. I'm not sure how they would overheat if they're sitting in storage as these vehicles apparently were after the crash testing. It's not like they were out running errands limited to 35 miles. The good news is the world won't deplete its lithium reserves until around 2050, so we've still got 38 years to perfect this technology before we run out of batteries. Lithium is not renewable, so we'll need another big-bang to restock the lithium-reserve shelves. So, there's that we can look forward to.
Who thought this was a good idea?
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:37pm.
35 miles.
That has me shaking my head and searching for words. "Galactically stupid" comes to mind.
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I don't know J
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:44pm.
just another liberal pipe dream, I suppose. The innovation behind it is really, really small-minded.
35 miles?
Submitted by ruby2ssday on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 9:51pm.
At least weekly I have to go to town and run errands and go shopping. It is 50 miles from my house to town so the round trip is 100 miles. But after the trip my odometer shows at least 175 miles traveled. That means my shopping and errand running while in town is 75 miles. Who ever thought that 35 miles was adequate?
the sooner the better
Submitted by dmacleo on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:21pm.
what a giant waste.
Letter to the Editor
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:17am.
Not from me, but from a concerned fellow in Iowa.
Enjoy.
Just another liberal. I would
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:12pm.
Just another liberal. I would like to ask him what he thinks of the Salvation Army sending out bags of things like that to prisoners. I thought that the letter was in our paper. That is about the intelligence of the libs that write in our paper.
Yes, that's what it is!!!!
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:25pm.
It's the industrial military complex (because democrats NEVER benefit from that)!!! It has nothing to do with the fact that our military are living in God forsaken sh*thole countries defending our country and our freedoms.
The reason asshats like him can write letters like that are because of our military.
⇒ OMO. GM strikes again!
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:18am.
Are you sure we're talking about Motor Trend's Car of the Year?
This President sure knows how to run a Car Company.
he had practice
Submitted by dmacleo on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:22pm.
running a country into the ground was just a practice run for the takeover and destruction of companies.
But their intentions were good
Submitted by ohio granny on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:00pm.
Outcome does not matter when dealing with progressives/liberals/democrats don't you see. It is only their intentions we need to judge them on. How soon will Government Motors go bankrupt? Probably sooner rather than later because of decisions like the Volt.
Half right
Submitted by ruby2ssday on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 9:42pm.
The first part of your statement is only too true. It's all about how you feel. About going BK? Obama will find a way to save them...at taxpayer expense of course. Maybe even giving them a huge loan guarantee and calling for a do-over when they go broke and the lenders start asking for money. Like with the preferred bondholder in the last go around. After all it only hurts those rich folks.
A Day of Remembrance
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:50pm.
December 07, 1941.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave - check out the Sidwell
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:31pm.
Dave - check out the Sidwell School lunch menu for today...............Japanese food!!!! Just 'coincidental'!!!
killa, I saw that
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:18pm.
And I am not buying the "coincidence" BS, either.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Good going barrack, your
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:21pm.
Good going barrack, your green energy scam remains consistent.
PC run amok for Islam
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:17pm.
I'm sure you libs here might agree with this, but this is really just PC run amok with regards to Islam.
Now this bogus administration wants to identify what happened with the Ft Hood shootings as "Work Place Violence."
Lawmakers blast Administration
Again, another example of the Muslim in Chief with his siding with the Muslims, just like Egypt and elsewhere. It's also a way of thinking for Muslims as normal because this is what they do in accordance with their law, which is the Quran, so Nadal, the shooter, can't be found guilty for what he did.
-Jon
Jon...
Submitted by FearMonger on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:41pm.
This just proves once again that even hindsight isn't clear vision for the galactically stoopid. Add to that the willful blindness of the PC cult and there you have quite a recipe for a fully baked repeat massacre. I guess we'll just have to cross our fingers and hope the next one isn't yellowcake.
"Work Place Violence" indeed.... and 9-11 was "Operating An Aircraft In Protected Airspace". Good grief.
Gee, and not so much as a peep out of Ralph Nader.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:24pm.
Ralph is, however, all over the HUUUUGE LL Bean scandal and OWS.
Is GM afraid to use the R-word?
Submitted by antiObamunist on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:44pm.
"GM has offered to buy the car back from any purchasers with safety concerns."
Apparently it is now up to consumers to determine if their new GM vehicle is safe?
Reports are emerging that governmentmotors knew or should have that these vehicles were unsafe. They even contemplated developing post crash "recommendations" and publishing in the owners manual, which their lawyers likely advised would open them up to litigation.
As for a "recall" on these electron burners, I don't think they sold enough to qualify.
Blago
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:33pm.
14 years.
Fast and Furious hearings tommorrow
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:34pm.
Holder will be on the hot seat tomorrow when he testifies before Issa's committee. I look for things to be get real hot. I know the Commucrats are going to do their best to deflect any criticism away from Holder but we might get a few gems. I've got to work but I would appreciate someone watching this and reporting on it if it is on C-Span.
I should be hearing about this from the Republican candidates
Submitted by DaMav on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:39pm.
But thus far the debates have all been run by liberals who will never raise the question
Barry Cancels his Hawaiian Vacay
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:57pm.
When we heard him lecture Congress yesterday about going home for Christmas, while he was headed to Hawaii for a 17 day vacation, we howled "Hypocrite!!!!". Apparently Mitt did too....and it stuck.
“I just think it’s time to have a president those idea of being ‘hands on’ doesn’t mean getting a better grip on the golf club,” Romney told potential caucus voters in Iowa.
Nothing like having the opposition polish the lenses on the Presidential Optic Machine.
Obama even planning that vacation while lecturing Congress to stay in DC really almost rises to the level of a monumental gaffe, doesn't it?
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"Separate planes."
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:05pm.
Nobody is screwing her out of even one hour.
Speaking of which....
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:10pm.
First Lady Secret Affair?
Who would that be? Mr. Ed?
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Wouldn't it be hilarious if this is true?
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:14pm.
Maybe another tabloid expose, ala the National Inquirer and John Edwards?
Hmmm...
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Maybe.....
Submitted by nixon on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:21pm.
Mike Tyson ?
J
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:50pm.
How's the cosmetic surgery industry in Hawaii?
Dunno, BK
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:11pm.
I'm not all that up on MOO's trips, but I do know she dropped out of sight for about ten weeks this past summer....and came back looking quite different. She needs some more lipo.
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No doubt, J.
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:18pm.
She needs to get that tummy tuck and the work under the chin fine-tuned. As for the rear, I don't think they make a needle big enough to even get started on that lipo.
And, for all the libs worried that Barry might get over worked, no fear. He'll be on the second plane just as soon as Boehner and McConnell cave on the extension.
That (Air Force One One) is a depressing thought
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:24pm.
So The Wons will, no doubt, fly twice the jets and entourage, yet again.
Boehner & McConnell have to step down from the leadership in 2013. Spineless fools.
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Good evening UpNorth
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:39pm.
Lipo for the hippo might bring back that old game "Hungry hungry hippos" with a new name.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
UpNorth
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:43pm.
I believe Planned Parenthood would be her only option.
I was thinking they could do the sculpting
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:53pm.
with an X-acto knife, but the X-acto company doesn't make one that big.
J, Mittens RINOmney better hire a food taster
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:12pm.
LOL - This ain't gonna make the Dear Ruler happy.
Too bad he didn't cancel his hideous presidency.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
I'm not so sure about that, Dave.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:28pm.
There's something that's odd about this. I think it's a ploy on the part of the O-ministration to make it look like they are respecting Romney when any one of the other candidates could make the same comment and would get ignored.
It smells like a setup, make Romney look tough by having the bogus potus change his mind on his vacation. This would give the desired appearance to the Americans to say "ooh, look at that, bogus potus is afraid of Romney! Let's make him the nominee to run against the bogus potus!"
This right after that so-called "gaffe" of Texas versus Kansas, these things don't ring true to his real nature which is hideous in itself.
And remember, the MSM wants Romney to be the nominee.
-Jon
Nothing about Obama rings true...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:35pm.
His whole life, history and persona are all manufactured lies and illusions. I wouldn't put anything past him or any of his corrupt handlers.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Pathetic...It shouldn't take Romney, or...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:20pm.
anyone else, to chide Obama about this for him to realize how bad it looks and how stupid it is for him to be jetting off to Hawaii on the heels of lecturing congress about staying in D.C. He's just so clueless and inept.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Surprise headline of the day
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:16pm.
NOOOObody saw this coming.
Fargin iceholes.
Shocked, BK, I tell you I'm shocked.
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:27pm.
Well, not really. I really hope that Sharyl Attkison has hired a food taster, and gets her clothes from that fashion house named Kevlar. There can't be any happy people at DoJ or BATFE now.
That, BK, was transparent as glass
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:28pm.
The Obama regime thinks it's so bloody clever. Hardly. A four year old could see that one coming a mile away.
You ought to post that link on Ashrak's Gunwalker forum....I like the forums for archiving links as sort of a breaking news time line. I still mourn the loss of the original Healthcare Reform threads when the servers were changed over...they were a veritable wealth of links put up there by people who are intimately involved in each of the issues. Oh well.
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Will do J
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:30pm.
+
RIP Colonel Potter
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:25pm.
He was my favorite M.A.S.H. character.
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Wow, 96! I knew he was on up there in age, but I didn't
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:39pm.
realize he was that old. Still remember him from Pete & Gladys TV sitcom days.
Jer
Pete and Gladys?
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:54pm.
OMO, you are old, Jer.
I'm thinking they were reruns, UpNorth.
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 5:04pm.
Yeah, I'm going with that.
[Actually, I had forgotten about his role in December Bride which I watched pretty regularly and preceded Pete & Gladys by several years.]
Jer
Well, Jer, I'm going with, I found it on the Internet.
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 5:15pm.
I'm not old enough to have watched it.
I didn't realize he was in the movie, "To the Shores of Tripoli", or "High Noon".
And, I thought his role as General Steele on M*A*S*H was great.
Good evening UpNorth
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 7:05pm.
Good grief you fellas are young. My wife and I saw High noon when we were dating and Pete and Gladys was on TV when we were married 4 years.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Pete and Gladys
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:42pm.
Actually, I don't think Gladys ever appeared on "December Bride, did she? And Pete always showed leaning on the french door, talking to Spring Byington about his wife, Gladys. But I was only 4-6 years old.
According to sources...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:59pm.
Gladys was never on December Bride, and was portrayed as a nag. Once Pete and Gladys started her character became nice. Can you imagine what they would have thought of Roseanne Barr back in the day?
Always loved the movie
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:02am.
The Ox Bow Incident, very tragic story about lack of prudence
RIP Mr. Harry Morgan
I must have missed it...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 5:31pm.
...probably watching the Flintsones or Lawrence Welk.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Who are Pete & Gladys?
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 5:01pm.
.
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These folks, J.
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 5:04pm.
It was on a long, loooooong time ago.
They were Amos & Andy's upstairs neighbors.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 5:23pm.
They had lived in a luxury high-rise until they lost their dry-cleaning biz and became part of the 99%.
That's where the phrase "Movin' on down" originated.
"Movin'on down"
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 7:11pm.
Which was later taken to refer to the status and economy of the U.S. from 2008-2012.
Indeed, RIP, COL Potter
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 5:55pm.
Speak up, sonny, my little birdie didn't quite hear you!
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Col. Potter
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 6:41pm.
"Had a still in Guam in World War II.
One night it blew up.
That's how I got my purple heart.
Nice outfit you're wearing there, Klinger.
Love the handbag."
Colonel Potter at the end of his
first day as Camp Commander
on discovering a still in The Swamp
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Drift Away, Dobie Gray
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:51pm.
Rest in peace 12/06/11
"Oh, you're a peck of pips,
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 6:47pm.
"Oh, you're a peck of pips, all right.
Despite my direct orders you had to
put 'Be Stupid' first on your list of
'Things to do Today'! "
confronting Hawkeye, B.J. Charles and
Margaret on their joking shenanigans
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
vrwc
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 7:12pm.
O.k., you need to keep that quote handy for our next troll infestation. I really like that one.
yep, great minds think alike...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 7:26pm.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Why no Article 15? His
Submitted by ruby2ssday on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 9:30pm.
Why no Article 15? His character never used the available means to punish the wrongdoing of the nitwits.
Fort Hood shooting deemed by administration as...
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:32pm.
wait for it...
yep...
"Workplace Violence"
That's hitting the Gaffe List, BK
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:36pm.
I'm trying to decide how to caption it. I've used it twice today already, but I'm thinking....
Galactic Obama Administration Arrogance & Stupidity....Fort Hood Deemed "Workplace Violence".
Thoughts?
S****, that's not a gaffe, it's a freakin' cause of action. If I were a family member of one of the victim's, I'd sue.
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When is terrorism not terrorism?
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:41pm.
When it happens on the job.
When it happens on a military base?
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:58pm.
.
That's not a gaffe, B....
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 6:51pm.
a "gaffe" is a stupid mistake.
This is deliberate mischaracterization of a terrorist attack.
And this isn't laughable...it's beyond the pale.
Please don't treat it as just another stupid bumbling statement.
deplorable
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 6:54pm.
...comes to mind
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Meanwhile, at military dances...
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 7:08pm.
You can dance cheek to cheek with the four legged creature of your choice.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/senate-repeals-bans-on-sodomy-and-bestia...
Ain't life grand in the U.S.A.?
In that case, I choose
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 8:03pm.
two of the Kardashian sisters.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 8:10pm.
Just try not to let them talk. Your IQ will drop measurably. You'd become more liberal than you are now.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Conversation would be about the last thing on my mind, Rad..
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 8:41pm.
but thanks anyway for the IQ warning. I don't have that much of a cushion.
Jer
Purple Heart?
Submitted by ruby2ssday on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 9:26pm.
Did the soldiers killed at Ft. Hood receive a Purple Heart for death or injury in battle? If not they should have!
Treasure trove of headlines today
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:40pm.
From the RightScoop- "An administration official conceded the White House had no actual data to back up the president’s assertion, but argued that other reports showed that some of the wealthy pay little in taxes."
And this bit of sad news. Personally, I always felt bad for the guy.
"“I think our society perhaps has really gone one couch too far"
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 5:01pm.
Well, duh, Doctor. “I think the idea that you can take something as innocent and as nice as ‘Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer’ and pull some kind of psychological or sociological pathology and place it on there – I think this guy has too much time on his hands.”. Yeah, but I'll bet that DHS or maybe DoJ will probably give him a $500K grant to study the effects of Rudolph on 2nd graders or something equally stupid.
RE: Rudolph
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 7:04pm.
If we have nothing to rise above, how can we rise above the crowd?
I think every kid feels a little like Rudolph, which is the beauty of the story. In the end, it's Rudolph's difference that gives him his victory. Why the hell can't the left be happy unless someone is a victim and remains a victim?
Even in the 1930's
Submitted by ruby2ssday on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 9:55pm.
My dad used to carry a business card that had the three most overrated things listed on it. He got it in the 1930's when he worked at an office supply store.
And what were those three overrated things listed?
Home cooking
Home scr***ing
Chevrolet
Nothing has changed in 80 years.
Bloggers,
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:39pm.
beware.
So jerkolistas
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:16pm.
Get to make up anything they want, but if Joe blow does, he's liable. Yea, that is definitely screwed up!
Makes you wonder Boudin,
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:35pm.
if a blogger can be found liable in a defamation suit, can a commenter?
Hope not,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 11:44pm.
Jer's a Lawyer : ]
Theoretically yes, bk, but highly unlikely in practice
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 8:33pm.
because of protections of opinion expression, the anonymity of the majority of commenters, difficulty in proving damages, the formidable proof burdens placed on public figures if they are the subject of alleged libelous remarks, etc. The cases where all of the necessary ingredients exist to sustain a successful defamation action against a mere commenter would be exceedingly rare.
Jer
Another example of Chevrolet
Submitted by helomech on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 6:10am.
Another example of Chevrolet in bed with the Feds, particularly the BO administration; buy a diesel and move on