Open Thread: What Will Happen With Supercommittee Defeat?
The congressional supercommittee tasked with finding ways to reduce the federal deficit is looking like they will admit defeat sometime today. The failure of the supercommittee will create and end of the year battle over jobless benefits and an expiring payroll tax, among other programs set to expire at the end of December.
Democrats on the committee are seeking to extend jobless benefits, which currently supports about 3.5 million people for up to 99 weeks of unemployment, and the one-year payroll tax cut. However, extending all the programs through 2012 would add around $300 billion to the annual budget. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) explained that extending the payroll tax holiday is not the biggest problem in the face of the "greater threat" of the national debt.
What do you think will happen if and when the supercommittee fails? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
As reported at the Washington Post, Sessions continued:
"If the supercommittee fails, I think there will be a stark realization by every member of the U.S. Senate that we’re at the end of the year and these complex challenges have not been dealt with,” Sessions said. “It’s likely to be a really difficult period.”
The battles over which cuts to make comes at the same time as a number of officials are gearing up for their 2012 campaigns. If the supercommittee fails to produce a plan, it will lose its power to push a tax-and-spending plan through the House and Senate, eliminating any easier compromises on the expiring provisions.
Republicans have mixed views on where cuts should be made:
...Rep. Nan A.S. Hayworth (N.Y.) said she is “extremely sympathetic to extending” the payroll tax holiday, but Rep. Jason Chaffetz (Utah) said he would have trouble supporting it without matching cuts in spending.
“I’m in favor of lower taxes. But, when you don’t couple it with a spending decrease, it’s a real problem,” Chaffetz said. “And we don’t seem to be able to cut anything around here.”
President Obama has called for extending payroll tax cuts and overhauling unemployment insurance, a $447 billion cost, all while not increasing budget deficits. His suggestion was raising taxes on corporations and those earning a higher income.
And naturally, any failure to reach a deal is sure to be blamed by the liberal media on conservatives. Will the right be able to effectively push back against this? Where do you think the biggest cuts should be made?
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What will happen now???
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:17am.
Nothing… not a damn thing. It’s just a return to business as usual without the sideshow.
- Grump
Not a hard question -
Submitted by pilsener on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:32am.
There will be a continuing resolution which will contain no cuts, but include "emergency spending" for extended unemployment. After a great deal of soul-searching a NEW committee/commission will be appointed with their greatly anticipated report due in December 2012.
As Grumpy said "not a damn thing"
Grumpy is right
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:31pm.
Nothing will get done between now and November 2012, with each side posturing to tag the other with 'blame' for no progress.
The time might be ripe for the formation of a genuine third party of fiscal jedi knights, but doing so may ensure Obama's reelection.
Look for a new party in the 2012-2016 election cycle.
pilsener, Galvanic: Thanks.
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:51pm.
After thinking it over, I must change my opinion of what will happen: Nothing will change except the House Republicans will use the time to make themselves look even more ineffectual than they already are. I wish the Bozo's would just stop with this "bi-partisan" stuff and take-it to the Dems.
- Grump :o)
Grumpy, What I wish the
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 1:38pm.
Grumpy,
What I wish the House GOP would do is to start passing bills that will help the country get out of the mess that it is in. Budget bills, tax slashing bills, ANYTHING to show that they are trying to do something. Then when the bills are killed or not even brought to a vote in the Dem held Senate go yelling from every place they can on how the DEMS are the ones saying NO.
Screw bi-partisanship. The libturds are idiots and do not want the country to succeed.
edit: Boehner must go.
Scuba: Well said!
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 1:44pm.
- Grump :o)
#1 Stop Obama #2 fix the country
Submitted by antiObamunist on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 4:07pm.
They have passed a host of bills which are now laying on the floor ( literally ) of the Senate. It is up to republicans to push as much as they can through the media screen. Unfortunately only a jaded view can emerge through the media filter.
Its time for conservative candidates to take their ideas directly to the American people as Reagan did quite effectively.
Newt wants a series of Lincoln Douglas debates with Obama, which of course will be turned down. Imagine a series of campaign ads on youtube with Newt answering questions that have already been asked and answered badly by Oblamo. Start with Blondies' list of 99 and tada, a 2 hr debate!
Scoob, I agree. Bonehead needs to go
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 8:40pm.
So does Mitch McDummy over in the Senate, whenever he is next up.
-Dave
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We need to clone
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 8:45pm.
Rubio, West, and Toomey.
And DeMint and Pence.
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 9:01pm.
And DeMint and Pence.
I couldn't believe my lying
Submitted by Immortal Fish on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 6:10pm.
I couldn't believe my lying ears while watching Fox News Sunday this weekend. At one point, Chris Wallace turned to the camera and explained to the audience that the Stupor Committee would not be subjected to fillibuster and so on and that without an agreement from them, things would return to a do-nothing sausage factory. It took Bill Kristol (!!) to counter that the sausage factory referred to was called constitutional process.
Over time, Chris Wallace has become totally insufferable. The only reason I watch FNS is for 5 minutes worth of Britt Hume.
No good will come of this
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:18am.
Whatever happens, it will all be blamed on the Republicans by Obama, the Democrats, and their friends in the MSM.
An aside here, I am sick of these politicians, R, D, and I, shirking their duty. They just plain don't do their jobs, and the whole country suffers.
Also, the R's need to start screaming that it is the Democrats who are hyper partisan about EVERYTHING. This needs to be shouted on every single interview, debate, and soundbite.
It was doomed from the beginning...
Submitted by iamsaved on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:19am.
All our representatives in Congress did was punt the ball to a committee to avoid having to make the hard political decisions they were elected to do. They did this with BRAC and figured they insulated themselves from political fallout with that gambit so they tried with this partisan super committee.
All the committe did was expose in a microcosm the problems which exist in our legislative branch.
The majority of these elected losers have done nothing for this country. They're only concerned with one-upsmanship to gain a political advantage. A pox on both their houses.
Currency downgrade most likely
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:26am.
Idiots including Obama should be impeached. Debt crisis is OUR biggest National security threat EVER. Trouble cutting $1.2T in 10 years when they need to cut what, like $40T in 10 years?
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Government failed? Say it
Submitted by ant on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:33am.
Government failed? Say it isn't so. "Everything old is new again", somebody said that the other day and it fits. When does the raising the debt ceiling battle begin again? Throw them all out.
Nothing
Submitted by pickersenior on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:44am.
Bush cuts will expire.
More class warfare by dems.
Republicans will get blamed for realistic thinking.
Unemployment will continue to rise.
This whole effort was a complete waste of time to re-elect Obama.
Dems and left will continue to believe in the world as they perceive it and avoid reality.
Why?
Sad news
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 1:47pm.
I heard this morning that legendary former voice of the Georgia Bulldogs Larry Munson has died at the age of 89 from pneumonia. If you never got to hear him call a game you missed something special. Dave may have more information. He truly was one of the greatest. IMO he was right up there with guys like Lindsey Nelson, Jack Buck and Bob Prince.
UPDATE: Just found out that he played piano for Tommy Dorsey and a young crooner named Frank Sinatra
Arkansas player found dead
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 1:50pm.
This is terribly sad.
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Maybe this will give the Hogs
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 2:01pm.
Maybe this will give the Hogs inspiration against LSU. If they did beat LSU it'd be a mess to sort out but what good mess it would be.
Did you read the Obit? It brings back up the time he said they used the hobnail boot to crush the face of Tennessee.
rick, Mark Bradley wrote a great piece about Larry Munson
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 5:24pm.
Definitely worth a read.
Georgia games just haven't been the same on the radio since he retired for good.
-Dave
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Their failure is proof of
Submitted by jessieH on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:07pm.
Their failure is proof of their complete incompetence. Both parties aren't worth half of what they are paid. Tax cheats, liars, moronic fools, whose only goal in life is to rob us blind. Throw every one of the bums out on their Congressional asses.
Last minute deals
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:10pm.
I keep thinking they might pull some stunts where they will pull some sort of lame rabbit out of the hat seemingly to save the day when it comes down the wire.
And when they do, it's something that's no good to anyone.
-Jon
No need to keep pressing from Beltway standpoint
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:40pm.
The Super Committee sham was the product of negotiations with the White House and Dems over the raising of the national debt ceiling. The ceiling got raised, and now there's no incentive to go out on a limb over deficit reduction. Obama got what he wanted, and might use the Super Committee's pre-destined failure to leverage his re-election campaign against the 'do nothing Congress,' but otherwise, it wil fade from collective memory.
This is why so many Republicans are holding firm on the 'no new taxes' pledge. Typically, the Dems agree to spending cuts if the GOP agrees to tax increases, and then the spending cuts never materialize.
Nothing will happen
Submitted by c5then on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 12:40pm.
Congress will pass legislation that negates the automatic cuts and they will simply continue to fund the government with Continuing Resolutions until the next congress is sworn in.
I don't see much changing unless the voters really get pissed off and give a fillibuster proof majority and veto proof majority to one party. Kind of like what happened in Spain.
One thing that is almost definite...by election day next year the US will have over a $17 trillion debt and we'll still be in a "recession".
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
One thing will definitely happen.
Submitted by Woodoggie on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 1:04pm.
The Republicans Will Get The Blame!
All I ask of living is to have no chains on me,
And all I ask of dying is to go naturally.
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
One thing will definitely happen.
Submitted by Woodoggie on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 1:03pm.
The Republicans Will Get The Blame!
All I ask of living is to have no chains on me,
And all I ask of dying is to go naturally.
Blood, Sweat, and Tears
That was the point all along.
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 1:40pm.
That was the point all along. Bonehead and McConnail were too dumb to see it.
It is indicative of the
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 1:02pm.
It is indicative of the thinking that has brought us 15 trillion in debt and a downgrade in credit. We need to cut spending and programs drastically. This is the death knell of Obama for sure.
They will continue kicking the can down the road...
Submitted by Order270 on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 1:07pm.
...until the next debt ceiling crunch, which will be right after the next elections. Then we can only hope that can is big enough for us all to live in.
A camel is a horse designed by a committee
Submitted by russedav on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 1:47pm.
Everyone knew it highly unlikely such a vile beast would accomplish anything any more than Congress itself (the opposite of Progress), so I fail to see why anyone's suprised since they just wasted more taxpayer money doing nothing like they always do. At least they have a John (Kerry) to dispose of their feces; if only they'd flush themselves as well.
Failure by Design
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 2:11pm.
The "Sooper" Committee was designed to fail. Now the Dems can say that they would have kept the Bush tax cuts in place for the middle and lower class, if only the Repubs had supported a tax increase for the rich.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Asset forfeiture fund. Plus a free rotting fish.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 2:18pm.
No good deed made with the moronic bureaucrats goes unpunished.
New Bedford fisherman forced to give up 800-pound tuna
“I think I'm going to surrender all my tuna permits now. What good are they if I can't catch them?”
You Didn't Build That.
Compassionate conservatives? NO MORE!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 2:24pm.
It's this so-called compassionate conservative thing that came out when Bush was in office that got us into this mess. No, I'm not blaming Bush, I'm blaming the current GOP leaders. Bush did his piece, he's done. But Boehner was being the compassionate conservative when he played golf with DuhOne thinking he could get some kind of good deal and face facts, he got screwed.
What needs to be done, as mentioned above, is not to work with the libs anymore. All they do is lie, cheat, and steal steal steal STEAL. How do I know this? Why, we are $15 TRILLION in debt, that's how I know it!(not counting the $100+ Trillion in unfunded liabilitites!)
If the American people had any sense at all, the government needs to come to a screeching halt, it needs to be re-done, and the Constitution needs to be followed TO THE LETTER. Government is not the answer to everything, but that's what we are seeing in the WH, which is why the private sector is all but on life support. But I'm afraid to report that the American people don't have any sense at all, or if they did, they are too chicken-sh!t to do the right thing. How do I know they are chicken-sh!t? I keep hearing about how DuhOne and etc are "in over their heads, they don't know what they are doing."
Wrong wrong WRONG! The dems know exactly what the hell they are doing, this supercommittee is just a load of crap, and the Repupublicans are being railroaded all over again. This is by design. Yes, that means everything that's happened was done on purpose with malicious intent against the private sector and against this country.
Ugh, just typing all that left me with a foul feeling in my stomach and I'm barely scratching the surface.
God help the US.
-Jon
no favorable posts for "super committee" that's good!
Submitted by lrgon on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 2:42pm.
The only solution is to place courageous and sound thinking people into positions of power that will stop the spending juggernaut and reduce the size of government. That type of solution requires something more than just the formation of a "third party," with campaign slogans.
If the GOP nominates Romney and he wins the White House the Republicans in congress will still be under pressure to continue feeding big government. Romney is not a "small government" kind of person. With Romney as the nominal captain of the big spending ship "Indebtedness," the USS Indebtedness would not avoid disaster. Romney would fill his administraion with the same policy makers whose philosophy of government is no different than those now running Obama's administration.
It takes guts to say what one lone congressman from Texas has been preaching about for years: cut out all spending that is unconstitutional and let the free market break us out of the socialist straight jacket!
The "super committee" was supposed to be the creme de la creme of congress to come up with solutions to our economic woes. They haven't yet, even though one immediate stop-gap measure is to bring spending levels down to the year 2004. Texas congressman Paul suggested congress do that but that is something the Stuper Committee won't recommend we do.
So much for inventing gimmicks to circumvent reality via "bi-partisanship."
What congress needs to do is to break clean and tell the nation the truth. But they won't as long as they can hide behind immoral acts of political theater like "bi-partisanship" that come up with passing the buck along to unconstitutional "super committees."
The GOP and a lot of the Dems refuse to cut militarism projects. The Dems and some Republicans, like Olympia Snowe and the Tea Party-backed "moderate" conservative from Massachusetts, Senator Scott, refuse to cut welfare projects.
Warfare and welfare will ruin this nation.
The long term solution is get behind the revival movement that is constitutionalism. Learn it, teach it to others, especially the children who will be the ones that will have to suffer the consequences of the socialist state the most if we don't get back to the Constitution.
Before congress gets back to sound government under the Constitution the people must lead the way. Between now and whenever that day comes (and it will only arrive with the help of God) we'll only get empty words from the media darling's like Romney that only sound sincere but in their actions have demonstrated that they are for blocking America's return to good government under the rule of law - the Constitution.
So says the Paulbot
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 3:53pm.
Give it a rest, Irgon.
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Tell us loon. Write long winded screeds that no one reads.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 4:56pm.
Hey Loon, did you think Newsbusters just suddenly started cutting us checks to read your screeds after you have been told time and again no one here is paid?
Must be a new day, the Loon lrgon is playing in traffic again..
Oh Loon. Hello. Oh Loony Loon. Tell us about the $20 Billion. Tell us Loon.
Talk about your lies loon. Tell us about how you bring lies here day after day.
lrgon loon says The U.S spends $20 Billion air conditioning our troops in theater. --- Whoops. Kinda hard to do that considering the budget for fuel for the entire DOD is only $13.5 billion.
There's that pesky nat or "veet" as she calls herself
Submitted by lrgon on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 12:23am.
Raid or flyswatter?
Poor Loon. Caught in another lie. Got a nasty case of butthurt.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 1:32am.
Tell us Loon. Tell us how we are spending $20 billion a year on A/C in Iraq and Afghanistan when the fuel budget for the ENTIRE DOD is only $13 to $17 Billion.
lrgon the loon: A former Pentagon official's estimate that the cost of air conditioning for U.S. personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan runs to more than $20 billion a year
Or pretend you are not the lying little loon you are as usual. Go into another j frank wilson style name calling spam sprint. Yeah, that will stop me from showing the planet how stupid and lying you are.
Tell us loon. Prove it. Where is the math for your $20 Billion.
Liar.
Please tell us more about your loony lies, loon.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 5:09pm.
Here are the figures for the ENTIRE BUDGET FOR FUEL FOR THE DOD in millions.
2000 - 3,604
2001 - 4,178
2002 - 4,143
2003 - 5,564
2004 - 6,948
2005 - 8,843
2006 - 11,504
2007 - 11,465
2008 - 17,944
It is not that the DOD is using way more fuel, it is just that fuel prices have more than tripled since 2000. In fact, the highest consumption was in 2003 when we invaded Iraq.
Where did you get your lying figures Loon? Come on, where did you get your LYING $20 Billion figure? Huh? Loon.
Just a thought
Submitted by antiObamunist on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 5:16pm.
What are the chances the recent stock downturn is correlated to something "leaked" from the super committee?
Can someone check John Kerrys' account and find out if he has been selling stock in defense contractors and motorized wheelchairs.
ODE TO THE WELFARE STATE
Submitted by ant on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 3:42pm.
written in 1949 by Clarence Brown (R- Ohio)
Father, must I go to work?
No, my lucky son.
We're living now on Easy Street
on dough from Washington.
We've left it up to Uncle Sam
So don't get exercised
Nobody has to give a damn-
We've all been subsidized.
But if Sam treats us all so well
and feeds us milk and honey,
Please, daddy, tell me what the hell
He's going to use for money.
Don't worry, bub, there's not a hitch
In this here noble plan-
He simply soaks the filthy rich
And helps the common man.
But father, won't there come a time
When they run out of cash
And we have left them not a dime
When things will go to smash?
My faith in you is shrinking, son,
You nosy little brat;
You do too damn much thinking, son,
To be a Democrat.
This kind of puts a crimp on the lib argument that the racist Dems of yesteryear had ran to the Republican Party, as well. By that logic, the Republicans would now also be the welfare lovers.
Dark Day in the Dawg Nation: Larry Munson 1921-2011
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 3:48pm.
It wasn't sudden, nor unexpected, as Larry had been having health problems for a while, but that doesn't make it any less sad.
Larry Munson was Georgia football, and there will never be another one like him.
God Speed, Mr. Munson.
You will find the AJC's excellent obituary on his remarkable life here.
-Dave
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I only got to listen to 5
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 4:52pm.
I only got to listen to 5 games that he called. You can never forget, LINDSEY SCOTT, LINDSEY SCOTT, LINDSEY SCOTT.
He didn't seem to have a lot of use for the Pumpkin Pukes either. Crushed their faces with the hobnail boot. (Paraphrased)
rick, When the Dawgs were on TV, I always turned down the TV
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 4:57pm.
...and tuned on the radio.
LOL - With the delay, Larry would often make the call before they play was run on TV.
But he was always better than the TV guys.
-Dave
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Nothing
Submitted by Model850 on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 4:34pm.
Other than the media pushing the meme that everything is the Republicans' fault not much will come from the so-called Super Committee's failure. Seriously, did anyone think these bozos actually would reach an agreement?
As for blaming the Republicans the media already has that cued up and ready to go. On NPR's Weekend Edition Sunday there was a story about the committee and Mara Liasson once again voiced the lie that the Republicans control Congress.
"I think that's bad for the Republicans because they're in the majority...." (Her participation starts around the 2:12 mark with her lie around the 3:18 mark.)
Of course no one challenged her on this. It is NPR after all, right?
It's not the spending, it's the lack of revenue.
Submitted by kata on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 5:51pm.
Repeat until true.
This super-committee was nothing more than a way to buy time and assign blame.
Here I come to save the day! NOT!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 6:31pm.
Oooh, Ahhhh, DuhOne's going to make an announcement at 5:45pm eastern time, which means it won't be until maybe 6:30pm eastern time before he comes on. If he's on time for something like this, you KNOW he's going to do something bad.
If not on time, it'll be BS and more BS with a side of BS.
-Jon
What, no joint session of congress?
Submitted by kata on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 6:35pm.
;)
It was on time
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 6:56pm.
Hell, it was a minute early by my clock. And it proceeded to be nothing more than a blame game all around. "Dems were willing to put aside politics." They don't even know how to do that. And 2.2 Trillion over 10 years? Puh-LEEZ, that ain't going to do a damn bit at the rate the government is spending itself into oblivion.
Screw this nonsense.
-Jon
Good news!!
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 7:43pm.
I'm very happy and quite relieved - cause I was really worried about these folks.
Ex-Solyndra Staff To Get $13,000 Each In TAA Federal Aid
Thanksgiving dinner for 10 costs $49.00?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:09pm.
Our local news just had a report saying that some government agency said Thanksgiving dinner for would cost $49.00. I assume the time machine to 1972 wasn't included in the price.
Rad
Submitted by ant on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:40pm.
Does that include the halal turkey?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/happy_halal_thanksgiving.html
If this is true, it's an outrage. All Butterball turkeys are slaughtered in the halal tradition. Christians are explicitly instructed not to eat food that are offerings to other gods.
ant
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 11:45pm.
As I read the article I wondered where the hell PETA was, and they mentioned that too. I doubt our turkeys are halal, http://www.jaindl.com/ These guys are old time Pennsylvania Dutch farmers who are to cheap to halal. Not to mention politically incorrect.
Ron Paul pinned neocon Paul Wolfowitz to the mat!
Submitted by lrgon on Wed, 11/23/2011 - 1:01am.
The CNN cameras focused on Democrat Party retread Wolfowitz as Congressman Ron Paul recalled Wolfowitz's own words on what inspires terrorists' reaction.
R. Paul Quote: "Paul Wolfowitz said that al-Qaeda was inspired by the fact that we had bases in Saudi Arabia...as a matter of fact he [Wolfowitz] said that was a good reason to remove the base we had in Saudi Arabia." ---Congressman Ron Paul (speaking at the Heritage Foundation/ AEI sponsored debate televized by CNN)
Paul Wolfowitz looked like he wanted to crawl under his seat when the congressman from Texas responded to American Enterprise Institute Katherine Zimmerman's question. The congressman used Bush II's Undersecretary of Defense own observation that al-Qaeda was inspired to attack the US due to US military presense in Saudi Arabia.
To remain in a state of denial that bombs don't bother middle eastern people is to believe that foreign policy makers like Paul Wolfowitz aren't aware what causes al-Qaeda to react in suicidal fashion.
Click and enjoy: http://www.dailypaul.com/