Open Thread: Could Obama's Comments Damage U.S.-Israeli Relations?
When microphones were accidentally left on following a G20 meeting, they picked up a private conversation between President Obama and French President Nicolas Sarkozy during which Sarkozy muttered he "can't stand" Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to which Obama replied, "You're fed up with him? I have to deal with him every day!"
Could Obama's disparaging remark hurt U.S. relations with Israel? Read more about their conversation after the break, and let us know your thoughts in the comments.
After the G20 press conference, Obama and Sarkozy reportedly exited to a separate room for a private discussion. According to YNET News, the discussion began with Obama reprimanding Sarkozy for not warning him France was voting in favor of Palestinian membership in UNESCO, despite strong American opposition.
The discussion was meant to stay private, in accordance with French media standards and reports that journalists who were present were asked to agree not to publish the sensitive comments.
Sarkozy's office, the White House, and Netanyahu's spokesman all made no comment on the remarks, but they could still complicate relations with Israel and efforts toward Middle East peace.
Do you think Obama's comment will hurt U.S.-Israeli relations? Or will it be brushed aside by the media?
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Nothing out President says
Submitted by Semus on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:53am.
Nothing our President says about Israel surprises me, as a matter of fact nothing he say's about anything surprises me. But my opinion of Sarkozy has been forever altered.
Now about the question, I don't think anything Obama says negative about Israel or Netanyahu would take them by surprise, so no I think they'll carry on with the knowledge that they know where America's heart is.
France has a very long
Submitted by Gat New York on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:53am.
France has a very long history of anti-Semitism so Sarkozy's remark does not surprise me at all.
In fact, France holds the
Submitted by Free Stinker on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:02am.
In fact, France holds the "distinction" of being the only occupied country during WW2 that turned its Jewish population over to the Gestapo BEFORE THEY WERE ASKED TO.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
I know a lot of those on the
Submitted by Semus on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:43am.
I know a lot of those on the left would like Israel to go away, but I didn't know this about Sarkozy, I also wasn't aware of this part of Frances history.
Plus /// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// me too.
France would prefer you stay
Submitted by wolfemanic on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 1:19pm.
France would prefer you stay unaware. Even Mussolini resisted when he ordered troops in France to defy German-French plans for mass round ups in Italian-occupied south-eastern France. Binito said 'no country can ask Italy, cradle of Christianity and law, to be associated with these (Nazi) acts'.
I'm just so disgusted
Submitted by HelenS on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:51am.
I'm just so disgusted at the childishness of this buffoon of a president we have. He's an embarrassment and a joke.
For these two toads to say anything about Bibi is just unbelievable - they shouldn't be allowed in the same room with him or the other grown-ups.
Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years - the cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."
You mean, any more than he already has?
Submitted by KyWriter on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:53am.
Obama's treatment of Netanyahu simply mirrors the contempt he has for Israel and the smug condescension he has for Jewish voters. He thinks (correctly, up to this point) that American Jews will continue to support his liberal agenda in spite of anything he does to the historic American/Israeli connection. I suspect this will indeed damage him as even the most diehard Jewish liberal will have to reassess who this man is and what he is trying to do both to this country and the last homeland for Jews on earth.
Wright
Submitted by Gat New York on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:58am.
Obama has more than just a little bit of contempt for Jews. The fact that American Jews ignored the 20 years Obama was a member of Jeremiah Wright's church should never have been ignored. John McCain gave Obama a major "pass" when it came to Wright. Had he not we would never had Obama as President.
Barack Obama's past and his presidency point without question to his disdain for Israel and no American Jew, who still takes pride in their Jewish heritage, can vote for this man again.
Oops
Submitted by KyWriter on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:56am.
Sorry for the repeat; slow computer.
No wonder why Obama has that
Submitted by gopsteve on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:00am.
No wonder why Obama has that grin all the time...He knows all his goof ups and "misdeeds" will be minimized /ignored by the msm.
I doubt they could be a whole
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:04am.
I doubt they could be a whole lot worse.
He's already made his position plain.
Netanyahu knows he's no friend.
Native Americans know our
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:10am.
Native Americans know our government better than libs.
No more damage than has already been done in this . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:12am.
. . . Presidency. It merely confirms to Israelis that no matter what Obama says publicly, he's not in their corner.
The bigger matter is: What does Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have to say about this? Afterall, the MSM has hailed her brilliance. Will any of the MSMers have the guts to ask her directly?
MSM
Submitted by Mike Sierra on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:12am.
When am I going to see this in the MSM? I guess about the same time we see what happened at the DC Convention Center and the Americans for Prosperity.
Who out there is surprised?
Submitted by Walker01049 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:19am.
Obama is a muslim. What the hell does anyone expect of this fraudulent ass.
It could damage relations and
Submitted by jessieH on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:24am.
It could damage relations and it should damage relations. If not for the U.S., the french would be speaking German. Israel is our only true ally and this POS President should be removed from office for his blatant schoolboy comments. His racism is showing. He's a vile, cruel man with a chip on his shoulder.
Finally, Obama is being transparent
Submitted by iamsaved on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:25am.
I would be surprised if Israel and Jews in general continue to have good relations with an administration bent on destroying it. Here's hoping that Sarkozy and France get what they've been asking for, an Islamic nation.
Obama spoke of transparency throughout his campaign. Anyone with a small bit of sense would have had to have known that was a lie since everything about Obama's life was anything but transparent and his lies and deception continue to this day.
The Jews are the hardest to figure out. Why would they assist Obama in shooting themselves in the foot. He does not like Jews. He does not like Israel. You don't sit in a black theology church for 20 years and not agree with their doctrine.
He was raised an Islamist Muslim who was tutored in communism.
I agree with what you said.
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:37am.
I agree with what you said. From my studies this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the nation of Israel and biblical prophecy. Things are going to get a lot worse for Israel before the things in Daniel and the Revelation play out. (It is not Revelations but the Revelation of Jesus Christ.)
Just got a notice at work
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:26am.
Just got a notice at work that for the first time ever there is going to be a nationwide test of the Emergency Alert System.
Hmmmmm, what could this Government be trying to prepare for? Marshal law in preparation for Presidents Downgrades loss in the 2012 elections?
Agreed
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:35am.
I don't know, the timing is damned odd and not a little concerning. Look at all the BS that Janet has the DHS doing, which is supposedly for our good as well. Given that I'm a supervisor, I have to worry about this as well since we do have some large TVs at work that this is going to be flashing on and have to make sure my people are aware of this test.
It's one thing that it's done on a local level(local TV, local cable, local radio), but a nationwide level??
I don't see this as a good thing, not with all the anti-Constitutional things this bogus potus has done.
-Jon
jon,
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:41am.
To add to the conspiracy - Did you know that the new emergency system takes control away from the local stations which is something the old emergency broadcast never did?
Yes I did
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:58am.
Which is what makes it all the more troubling. In the past, it ALWAYS starts on the local level, be it the county, the city or the state.
If not for how this bogus administration has conducted itself, this would be a good sign of incompetence at best. But given this government's predilection for flouting the law, basically all but ignoring it and making up their own rules, I'm not a little disturbed that they want to do this.
-Jon
emergency broadcast
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:40pm.
Does anyone have any idea why this test is requiring a couple of minutes while the old test were a few seconds of annoyance?
What the hell???
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 8:03pm.
This is making less and less sense if this were an act of incompetence!
Don't Panic, FEMA says
Hell yes, now I'm even more concerned than before! There's just simply no call for doing this!
Not only that, they claim it's going to last thirty seconds (for those of you in Rio Linda, that's 30) but in the same article it says it'll last up to 2.5 minutes. Why would they need to do this if it isn't a demonstration of power? Hell, we should be melting the switchboards at Congress about this.
If this is meant to cause paranoia, IT'S WORKING. I don't TRUST this government, it's the enemy to the people.
-Jon
I was listening to the Sirius
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:37pm.
I was listening to the Sirius 91, the college football channel, and they never interupted programming.
Scoob
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 5:11pm.
Glen Beck has been talking about this for awhile. It's not just radio, it's cable, satalite radio too. I find it extremely frightening. The emergency alert system had it's place once, but quite frankly, we don't need it now. We have many sources of information. I think the government wants to be able to CONTROL the information we get.
The One has got to go.
Your question is not an either/or answer
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:09pm.
Will the comments be brushed asside by the media?
Yes.
Will they hurt our relations with Israel?
Yes, but only marginally. They are already in the toilet because of Obama's past actions and statements. I am sure that the Israelis hope that they only have to ride it out for a little more than a year. They are also wondering, I am sure, whether they can survive that year, or whether they might have to dfend their existance yet again.
The irony of this is that better relations between our two countries would be a good thing for Iran. The US would have much more influence trying to restrain Israel from a pre-emptive strike. As it is now, I am fairly sure that the US has next to no influence and since Israel sees that we won't do anything other than talk, they will be the ones to have to take action.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
What relations
Submitted by John21 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:16pm.
The Obama administration and the Clinton State Department has done everything it can to degrade the nation of Israel and strain our relations with them. They would perfer the arab nations (probably because of the money involved). Look at how they have treated every Arab country even the ones that hate us compared to how they treat any of our friends.
Liberals live in their own world, where what ever they want to believe is true, unfortunitly it is not the world that the rest of us have to live in.
Nothing New Here
Submitted by Ogundipe S.O. on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:17pm.
Hussein Obama is the poster child for everything that works to the detriment of the State of Israel.
Holder on C-Span
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:23pm.
I tuned in about 20 minutes ago and Feinstein is licking holder's ear, telling him what a great job he's doing.
Then Graham's turn is nothing more than asking stupid questions about GITMO,
Then Schumer starts blaming F&F on Bush
Now Cornyn's on
What the heck good is Senator Graham if he can't follow the issue?
You said it.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:32pm.
You just said the magic words, but here's the more correct phrasing:
"What the heck good is Senator Graham?"
-Jon
Cornyn fumbles
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:36pm.
Cornyn confronts Holder on the timeline of his lies, Holder says "I don't understand the question", and Cornyn moves on to another question.
Oh barf
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:59pm.
Somehow the devil's gotten to the Republicans and turned their spines from pasta into jelly.
They are just basically giving up, why??
-Jon
Little wonder Obamunism is rolling right along
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 1:21pm.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Maybe Obama
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 5:12pm.
the smartest human ever, should be asked some of these questions. Can you imagine him saying "I don't understand the question". His ego would never allow it.
Dems are bending over backward to protect Holder
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:35pm.
Listen to this blather about the volume of Holder's e-mail!!!
Cyber-Attack? Hello....how about walking those guns, you democrat shill!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
→ Seriously, Blonde
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:41pm.
I've had a pretty big breakfast. I feel like it's about to come right back up.
These guys are a bunch of suckup pantywaists.
Hold-um is STILL talking and
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 1:52pm.
Hold-um is STILL talking and acting like he's some bystander in this whole F&F fiasco...............he 'heard' about it......he 'read' about it'...........it was the wrong thing to do...............it'll cause problems for years to come...........bla bla bla...............this guy is 'smart'??? So who's running the show?? And I think Boy Barry also said he 'heard' about it somewhere.
killa,
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 1:59pm.
Smart? Apparently, depends on the people you are trying to fool.
Yeah, I know...........and
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 2:17pm.
Yeah, I know...........and there's a whole new definition of the word 'smart'. I'm just a dumb blue-collar country boy...........I'd like to lay a few questions on Hold-um, since nobody else seems to want to find out what's going on.............this criminal is as greasy as his boss.
killa - question
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 2:24pm.
Is it legal to suspend federal and state laws to create a situation that provides weapons to criminals and enemies - then allow those weapons to travel beyond government control into a 'friendly' nation that is at war with these criminals without notification?
Blue-collar country boy? Most likely smarter than me and definitely smarter than anyone that would willing fall for the line of crap coming out of the WH.
That's a good question, and
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:57pm.
That's a good question, and I'm sure that Hold-um would have to get back to you on that...........after he reads and hears more about how this whole thing happened anyway!!! And then............whether it is 'legal' or not might not matter, if there is any 'racism' involved.
Like I said - and I had a conversation with a lib client of mine recently about this - the definition of 'smart' has been altered and 're-calibrated' to fit whatever conditions need to be accomodated.............I mean, ALGORE is said to be very smart............Boy Blunder is rumored to be 'brilliant'............and even though people like this would be hopeless and useless in the world that you and I live in, they are 'successful' in their world, and can fit that particular definition of 'smart'.
Like you said - it also depends on how stupid the people are who think they are 'smart'................
Hey
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:24pm.
I was so pissed when I saw the lying ass Holder that I fired off a post below. I should have read yours first and tagged along with it.
What the heck good is Senator
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:57pm.
What the heck good is Senator Graham if he can't follow the issue?IMO Goober Graham is just breathing good air somebody else could be breathing. I sure hope that our neighbors to the south dump him next time he comes up for reelection. There are three things I don't like about South Carolina; Myrtle Beach, Clempson and Goober Graham. Nay there is a fourth, I-95 from South of the border to Florence. I can't explain it but that road freak me out.
Of Course It's Bad
Submitted by rammingspeed on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 1:01pm.
This is horrible for US - Israeli relations. Obama is an Israeli hating - Jihadist Muslim supporting punk. We have to get rid of him in the next election!
open thread
Submitted by NewLife56 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 1:34pm.
Damage Relations? What relations? they went down as soon as Obama took the oath.
How Utterly Disgusting: Murder at a Discount
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 1:47pm.
Do not even think about clicking on this if you are easily upset.
And we wonder why our nation is nearing it's final death throes.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
More embarrassing behavior from Obama...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:10pm.
What a classless jacka$$ he is.
364 days till election day...The beginning of the end of Obama begins one year from today, so take heart my fellow NB'ers.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Holder is still lying
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:40pm.
There is a lot of news today but I wish that NB had been covering the Fast and Furious hearing in the Senate. Holder now says that when he told the House he only found out about F&F a few weeks ago when he testified he said he should have said a few months. I think is he talking about the death of agent Terry. Then he says he didn't read the memos. His butt needs to go because he is too far up Obama's arse to run his department. Their in no excuse for him not knowing when all this memos crossed his desk. Scmukie Schumer and the other Democrats are providing cover for the lying ass Holder by try to blame it all on Bush and Operation Wide Receiver. My assumption; he is still lying.
With all the other news today, I know we will not hear one peep about this on NBC, ABC, CNN or MSNBC. So, I'll be listening to Cam and Company tonight to get the skinny on F&F. They will not be caught up with the lies being spread about the Hermanator nor the hate for Israel by Obama that we all know has been there for many,many years.
And another thing they are not talking about, what did coach Joe Paterno know about the sex abuse scandal at State Penn
Yep...It's tough keeping track of all those lies...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:44pm.
Holder's tap dancing as fast as he can, and he's digging himself deeper every time he opens his mouth.
Busy news day today!
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
I had come home from work
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:50pm.
I had come home from work with a terrible headache. I took something, turned the TV and started watching but then fell asleep. I didn't catch it all. Over on Fox News website they are headlining the Penn State abuse scandal. The freak Michael Jackson's doctor has dropped off the radar.
Fox has been hitting the Holder story a lot along with...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 5:07pm.
the Herman Cain mess and the Penn State story....Those have been their big 3 stories today...I have no idea what CNN and MSNBC are doing because honestly, I just don't waste my time over there. Two guesses are that the Holder story is getting limited coverage with them and surprise, the Cain story is likely being run ad nauseum.
I hope you're feeling better-
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
How Could Relations With Israel Get Any Worse?
Submitted by Avitar on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:34pm.
Obama has done so much already to endanger Israeal already that the State Department is all but waving the PLO into the UN.
How Could Relations With Israel Get Any Worse?
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:42pm.
Iranian completion of a Nuclear bomb and the current administration sitting by and quite possibly encouraging its use.
It may seem far fetched but think of this: without the existence of Israel the reporting from the ME will make it look like they are in a period of peace. Especially if this relative peace is contrasted against the collapse in Europe and to some extent here in the US. Obama would put his name down as the man who brought peace to the ME - Nobel Peace Prize indeed!
They could also get worse if we have...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:46pm.
4 more years of Obama...Look what he's done in three years...Can you imagine the damage he could do with another four (really 5) years?
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
No difference
Submitted by Pizza Dude on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:48pm.
We still have the same interests in the middle east. We are all that's left for Israel.
Pizza,
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 3:53pm.
That is great news. What is the best thing this administration has done in support of Israel, in your opinion?
Best thing?
Submitted by Pizza Dude on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 4:28pm.
Continuing to defend Israel at every turn against Palestine.
Or the almost $6 billion in security-assistance funding between 2010 and 2011?
Led a boycott of the 2009 UN racism conference over anti-Isreal sentiment?
“The United States will stand up against efforts to single Israel out at the United Nations or in any international forum. Israel’s legitimacy is not a matter for debate.”
Every turn? Ask the State Dept. in which country Jerusalem is.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 4:38pm.
Friends don't recreate maps of other friends' own countries.
Yawn
Submitted by Pizza Dude on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 4:59pm.
Photo captions? Don't waste my time.
Pizza Dude, Here are some words from the "caption"
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 5:31pm.
It gets worse for Obama’s defenders, though, than merely being demonstrably wrong. It turns out that while they were insisting that the Bush administration consistently refused to reference “Jerusalem, Israel,” the Obama State Department was busy scrubbing documents in which Bush administration referenced “Jerusalem, Israel.” Straight down the memory hole. That’s kind of amazing when you pause and think about it, no?
Do you,recycle and work in Hollywood?
You Didn't Build That.
Focus
Submitted by Pizza Dude on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 5:38pm.
This isn't about Bush. We're discussing the president being enemy #1 to Israel. Much of the international community does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. It's nothing new.
Who said that?
Submitted by sentry_99 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 5:41pm.
Enemy #1 huh? Maybe you need to focus.
I think Netanyahu and the
Submitted by Rusty Shackleford on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 4:46pm.
I think Netanyahu and the people of Israel understand that the USA is not anti-Israel: it's just the Obama Administration and the hard Left fringe that are anti-Israel and that they will soon lose their power.
This also shows the division between the real religious Jews of Israel and the fake cultural Jews of America. Come 2012 American Jews will, once again, blindly cast their vote in favor of Barry O because they are more like a cultural clique instead of a religion: I get the impression that most American Jews are the Jewish equivalent of a John Kerry Catholic and simply assign themselves to the religion for the social aspects that it brings. Therefore they couldn't care less what happens to the real Jews of Israel who have actual faith in their Jewish God.
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Not no but hell no
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 4:59pm.
Just found out that Congresscriter David Pirce was asking fo $55 million for security at the Democrat convention in Charlotte. But, not to be outdone the Republicans in Florida are asking for about the same for their convention in Tampa. I say sent an e-mail to your Congresscriter and say not no but hell no to any of our tax dollars for this. Make the parties pay. We know Obama won't be going to Tampa so they don't need the money for security and he is going to Charlotte on a campaign trip so we shouldn't have to pay that either
rick
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 5:16pm.
And those jobs are all going to union workers, leaving out many residents from the jobs.
Check out AOL Huffpos login screen
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 5:14pm.
The headline is all about what Sarkozy said. Nothing about Obama's comment. Maybe in the article but I can't bear to click on it.
→ Juan Williams - Major Obama Suckup
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 8:08pm.
Anybody catch Juan Williams asking Gingrich about the supposed Deathbed Divorce papers delivery?
This is what Juan Williams is reduced to. A flippin' gossip columnist.
The guy is doing his best to show that he's a good little liberal.
Yes, I saw that CA
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 8:21pm.
Oddly, he also came vociferously to Cain's defense. I think he knows how it feels to be mugged by the liberals, ha ha.
I watched the follow-up of Special Report on-line. Newt shattered the online viewership for that segment.
He's impressing me more and more. I am coming around to the conclusion that he may be the answer we need. He is certainly steeped in our history and has an overall awareness that none of the other candidates can match. As far as his personal baggage, that may be an advantage at this point. Everyone knows it (I laughed when they played the Pelosi ad and Newt's response to that).
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I agree with you about Newt,
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 8:23pm.
Very impressive lately
Who can blame him Cool
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 8:21pm.
Who knows better then Juan, what happens when you stray off the libtard porch?
The guy is a jihadist. Obama
Submitted by mattm on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 9:43pm.
The guy is a jihadist. Obama is a muslim who hates Jews, hates Israel and hates the U.S. for being Israel's biggest ally. If he destroys U.S. Israeli relations, he'll be happy.
And if Obama destroys both the US and Israel...
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 9:48pm.
He'll be even happier, as it will be a two-fer for him.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Obama imposes new tax on Christians, only
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:14pm.
I mean, who else buys Christmas trees?
BK
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:34pm.
What a freakin' weak excuse. They're going to improve the image and marketing of Christmas trees? Come on, does he need to improve the image of Santa Clause too?
The real kicker will be when
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:21pm.
The real kicker will be when they are sold as 'holiday trees', or something like that............since a lot of people are having trouble with the term 'Christmas tree'................but the 15 cents will still be there,regardless of what they are called.
And what, pray tell, will this money be used for??? To pay some new 'Holiday Tree Tax-Enforcement Experts'??? To shuffle around some more papers??? Maybe these new employees will dress up TSA style,and do some kind of pat-downs on the people buying these 'holiday trees'...........after all, they COULD be more dangerous than mooooooooooooooooslem terrorists!!!
And I'm STILL thinking about this nationwide test of the emergency broadcasting system tomorrow - and why it is being done.
And then Big Sis Janet Incompetano says 'don't be afraid'???? I get the heebie-jeebies just looking at HER.............much less trying to figure out her motives!!!!!!
Ohio caves to the
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:35pm.
Ohio caves to the Unions.
Does not bode well for getting rid of this scum.
Looks like the thugs are alive and well in Ohio.
Figures,
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:45pm.
They may have well voted to end America, and install their masters. Never did like anything about Ohio,
Ohio And Issue 2
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:35pm.
The Governor and the people in favor of Issue 2 did a pisspoor job of explaining why voting yes to uphold the proposal is beneficial to the public. In fact, none of the Issues were explained to the public adequately. Issues 1 and 3 were barely mentioned.
Thanks for future tax increases, again, Democrats.
On other fronts, Issue 3 is alleged to have passed. This Issue is a forum on ObamaCare mandates such as forcing health care onto citizens and forcing people to buy insurance. Issue 3 passed which means Ohio voters told ObamaCare to suck a raw egg. Don't know yet about Issue 1 which increases the age at which a judge can serve, what powers the Governor has in forming Supreme Court commissions, and more.
Issue 3
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 11/09/2011 - 12:17am.
From what I've been hearing, some in part due to Rush, the SCOTUS is going to be looking at Ohio to decide on SoetoroCare and depending on which way Ohio went, so will SCOTUS, especially after some DC Appeals Court ruled in favor of it very recently(I think it was announced today).
Let's hope that's true.
Dammit, I can't BELIEVE there are that many justices out there that are ignorant of the 10th Amendment and have voted in favor of it, it should be open and shut, and shut especially FIRMLY! It's a damn no brainer!
That tells me that the justices that have voted in favor of it have been bought hook line and sinker, or at the very least threatened in some way that they were forced to vote in favor of it. Or that they are part of the agenda to dismantle the United States of America from within, which I'm very inclined to believe.
If SCOTUS doesn't follow Ohio, this country is definitely screwed.
-Jon
Ohio Issue 2
Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 11/09/2011 - 12:55am.
It didn't help anything that the anti-2 people got boatloads of union money and used it to spread lies and fear-mongering.
They even had help from MSNBC's fat, stupid, blowhard/lying liberal scumbag Ed Schultz too.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
For Killa
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:43pm.
And other surfnuts: Largest Wave Ridden(?)
Surfer dudes are seriously nutz. ;-)
Yeah.........that's pretty
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:54pm.
Yeah.........that's pretty big!!! I know a bunch of these guys - McNamara is from Oahu - but we've got our own big-wave riders here on Kauai, and we get some 50-60 foot surf here on a few outer reefs!!!
Then you've got places like Teahopoo in Tahiti - where the faces might be 20-25 feet, but they are three times as thick, and basically sucking up off the shallow reef so radically that they are actually 'below sea level'!!! Very heavy!!!
These guys are another breed..........and they train for it, because it's very serious stuff!!!! I've been mopped by 15-18 foot waves, and could only pray that I would live to see another day!!!
Teahopoo
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 11/09/2011 - 12:06am.
Who poo? Me, if one of those waves was coming at me.
Seriously, the high you guys get surfing must be crazy good. Definitely adrenalin junkies.
Oh, believe me
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 11/09/2011 - 12:17am.
Oh, believe me Strat..........I've been out on some sizeable days, and then had some rogue 'clean-up set' come marching in on the horizon.............and basically prayed that I could see my grandson again!!! And I've been pushed down to where it is BLACK, and my head, ears, and lungs are killing me..........and I've GOT to survive and get back to the surface!!! Of course, when you get to the surface - you're about half-dead - and the first thing you need to do is see if there is another one getting ready to land on your head!!!
Since my #1 son was a SEAL - the water part of his training was the least of his problems, because he was a sponsered surfer in his youth,and part of the gang of guys over here that went pro, including the late and great Andy Irons. His instructors told me that he was a real leader in the water with the guys who DIDN'T come from an ocean and water upbringing.
You can check out all kinds of videos at Surfline.com and Surf News Network............I have them on my 'favorites' list.
Good On You For Your Children!
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 11/09/2011 - 12:42am.
It still amazes me I can see Waikiki live on Surfline.org while sitting in Cleveland. Love the internets!
I saw The Endless Summer when I was young. Who didn't want to be a cool surfer dude? Except for some lame body surfing in Florida when I was young, I've never tried surfing. The closest I've been to surfers was on the Santa Monica pier.
Being from Ohio, surfing on Lake Erie not done until I was much older, snow skiing was my thang. Used to go see Warren Miller movies. All these sports have gone more and more extreme over the years. It is incredible what surfers and skiers do now.
Check your PM.