Open Thread: Will Last Night's Attacks on Perry Hurt His Campaign?
Last night's debate brought a few blows to front runner Gov. Rick Perry, who kept his cool despite the attacks from every other candidate. While Perry's overall performance at last night's debate seemed to have improved over last week's debate, his stumbling on the issues of immigration and health care may have hurt him in the eyes of some Tea Party supporters. Do you think the attacks against Perry will hurt his campaign? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
The first attack came from former Gov. Mitt Romney, who questioned Perry on his views on the constitutionality of Social Security. Perry came out ahead from the attack, bringing up Romney's previous claims that Social Security's funding system was similar to a criminal enterprise, negating the criticism Romney had just made.
The beating came the hardest from Rep. Michele Bachmann and former Sen. Rick Santorum, who criticized Perry for his Gardasil mandate. Bachmann brought up Perry's ties to Merck, the manufacturer of Gardasil, a criticism for which Perry did not seem prepared. Santorum echoed the criticism, noting the difference between requiring standard vaccinations for measles and mumps versus requiring vaccinations for an STD like HPV.
Another point on which Perry stumbled was immigration. Texas allows in-state tuition for children of illegal immigrants, and Perry defended the law on the premise that it had almost no dissent in the Texas legislature and that it kept young adults in school. He neglected to successfully differentiate between Texas's law and the DREAM Act, and failed to refute the idea that the students were attending the universities at no cost.
With stumbles from every candidate, many critics noted there was no real winner in last night's debate, and agreed that Perry needs to step up his debating in order to maintain his heavy lead in the GOP field. Do you think last night's performance will affect Perry's poll numbers? Or did you watch the debate at all?
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Anyone BUT Obambi at all costs
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:06am.
All hat and NO cattle.
HE has some serious questions and baggage that he will have a hard time "splainin".
I stand by my prediction of a Romney-Rubio duo being the parties choice.
If I can't get my guy Cain or Christie or my gal Condi in there somewhere, I could live with a Romney-Rubio duo.
I WANT Cain and Condi somewhere as my advisors though.
One tiny Problem
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:21am.
Rubio is ineligible.
'splain that to me, Ashrak.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:55am.
Thanks.
Rubio is eligible.
Submitted by humanzee on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:05pm.
He's a natural born citizen by law. Any constructionist would see it like that. People who have a problem with the current natural born citizenship requirements are free to start a movement to change it. As the law stands he could have been born to illegal immigrants.
Laws are written and passed by dozens of people and should be interpreted as close to verbatim as possible because the text is the product of thousands of hours of debate and bargaining in which compromise was reached.
Rubio would split the Hispanic vote. He would split it more than anyone. But as a VP candidate he's a bit young and the Senate leaves him insulated from whatever happens in the White House. In the Senate he could do more, make a name for himself, and run for the White House with his own paper trail, not that of the previous president. Rubio is already a great orator, as a Senator he could do more.
I agree.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:13pm.
Rubio is a great speaker, and he don't need no stinkin' teleprompter!
As far as eligible, I thought Obama settled that argument. Anybody can run for president if He can serve.
The fact that Rubio was ACTUALLY born in Florida is just a plus, even though some people don't consider south Florida a part of the USA.
We do, and we are proud of our man, Rubio! He will be a great president someday, if the USA lasts long enough and the Constitution survives so that we can actually still have elections in the future.
EH?
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 2:57pm.
What?????????????????
He is more eligible than Obambi was.
So was Obama but that didn't
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 3:01pm.
So was Obama but that didn't matter
"So was Obama but that didn't matter"
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 3:12pm.
And now folks know why Establishment GOPers refused to take on the issue. They love it when Democratic Party usurpations and Constitutional violations go forward - for then they can do the same things and say "well the Democrats did it so we can too.".
Gee, why is it Establishment Republicans are so hushed about GunWalker? Why aren't they all out in force daily hammering this obvious Scandal? They want to be enabled to control that ATF too......
Wake up folks. Hear the Wisdom in George Washington's words within his farewell address, most especially about political factions.
The Establishment parties are acting as insulators between We The People and our government, in order that they may control it to our detriment, rather than the conduits to it they claim to be.
If "born here" is all it takes, then any illegal aliens could jump the proverbial fence, give birth and then said offspring is eligible. C'mon now, upon the formation of our government, within its very Constitution, something that easy to comply with made its way specifically into the words? Do folks honestly believe that? If they, it is because they refuse to think it through and they simply want to avoid the reality that POTUS was intended to have very very specific PROTECTIONS, just like the rest of government.
Natural Born - Born here of Citizen Parents.
Rubio's parents weren't yet Citizens when he was born, and as such he is as far in government as he can go. I welcome him where he is. I would even vote for him to be where he is. However, I actually care about the Constitution, not just when is suits me.
Go ahead, tell me all about "case law" - and then explain how it is that the judiciary is tasked with making law within the Constitution........ooooops, it's not.
Did you know there's an election next year?
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 3:53pm.
"Gee, why is it Establishment Republicans are so hushed about GunWalker? Why aren't they all out in force daily hammering this obvious Scandal? They want to be enabled to control that ATF too......"
Ever heard the phrase 'keep your powder dry"? There's a time and place for everything.
Romney is a RINO
Submitted by ArcherB on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:22am.
We don't need another RINO in the White House.
How can Romney claim that government funded health care is a bad idea after he signed laws implementing government funded health care in Massachusetts?
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
The argument for that is simple
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:53pm.
All too often, conservatives use the generic term "government" when making an argument for or against a particular issue. Government, however, as envisioned in our Republic, as framed by the Constitution, consist of many levels, but can simply be delineated as Federal, State, and Local. The United States Constitution gives no authority for the Congress, or President, to impose something like Obama Care, and the requirement to purchase health insurance, on the American people. An individual state, or locality, may have that right, however, depending on their own state constitution.
Do I believe Romney is a Federalist? I'd like to. At least that's how he's framing the argument, now.
How can the "government" require that I drive 55 MPH on the highway!!! Simple. It's a state issue, and not a federal issue. At lease it shouldn't be.
How can the "government" require that I purchase automobile liability insurance, if I own a car? Same argument.
And.....How can the "government" require that I wear a helmet if I ride a motorcycle? Well, you get the picture.
I don't want to live in a state that requires me to purchase health insurance. But I moved from Illinois to Arkansas in 1986 and have never regretted it. (Well, maybe a little when it gets over 110 degrees!)
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Bad law is bad law
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 4:07pm.
Doesn't matter that he only did it at the state level, Romneycare is still a bad law. Having the right to do something doesn't excuse bad decisions. If he can get something so wrong at the state level, he can get things equally wrong at the federal level.
Bottom line, this is an issue of judgement, not state's rights.
Bad Law?
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 4:31pm.
By "Bad Law", do you mean it was unconstitutional under the laws of the Commonwealth of Mass?
I would agree with you, that universal health care of any kind is a bad idea. That being said, the framers of this country made it a Republic so individual states could have governments of the people of the respective states. If the citizens of Mass want universal health insurance, then it's theirs to live with, and if you are a citizen of Mass, you are free to leave and move to another state.
And it may be bad judgment, but it is also an issue of state's rights, plain and simple.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Romney just seems too desperate...
Submitted by humanzee on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:01pm.
Romney gives off the vibe that he's feels he is ENTITLED to be president. He seems almost desperate. He's also trying to cover the sun with a finger. He just can't shake Romneycare... Obama will rub his face in it.
The more he tries to say Romneycare was something it wasn't or that he did what he did because Massachusetts is overwhelmingly liberal just sinks him deeper in his own muck.
The guy is well connected, an east coast political insider, and he has a lot of powerful friends but he SUCKS. I like him on a personal level but he sucks as a candidate, too much going against him. The dude has the family values, he's been very successful and accomplished... it just sucks he had to be the governor of Massachusetts and he did what he did. All the hand holding with ultra liberal and ultra powerful Democrat elites has screwed him over.
Best Case Scenario for Romney
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:26pm.
If Romney wins the Republican nomination, I think he beats Obama. Romney would probably have lost to Obama in 2008, but Obama has had four years to show his true colors.
Romney just might be the "stealth" Obama candidate in 2012. Yes, Romney has a much more public record when compared to Obama in 2008, but then, who doesn't? Should Romney be elected President, I think he knows the score, and he will try to govern in the mold of Reagan, who was the most conservative President that we have seen since Coolidge, (well, maybe Ike). Romney will run to the center in a general election, but govern from the right, so he can go down in history in the same mold as Reagan.
Yes, Romney is a consummate politician. Yes, he hold his finger up into the wind, sees which way it's blowing, and governs accordingly. But the winds are blowing strongly from left to right, last time I checked.
That's my hope, should Romney win.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Watched the debate
Submitted by Bodini on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:14am.
and the shovel-ready Bachman exposed some of Perry's liberal roots. Now that I've seen him twice, he has definitely lost some of his luster.
I like Herman Cain, but agree he is likely not electable so he should be Chairman of the Federal Reserve or Treasury Secretary at a minimum. I also like him for VP.
R- Debate (09/12/11) “The Official Grump-Analysis”
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:17am.
Source: “The Grumpy Center for Advanced Studies (GCAS)”
Motto of the GCAS: “What goes around… has something to do with circles”
OVERVIEW: Tampa, Florida (coincidentally located very near Tampa Bay… also in Florida) hosted last nights first ever Tea Party/CNN debate and (except for the CNN part) was fairly good. Tampa, among other things, is known as the “Phosphate Capital of the World” – which is meaningless to our discussion here and will not be mentioned again (maybe).
THE MODERATOR: CNN’s Wolf Blitzer was Horrible! He kept reinterpreting the straightforward questions to fit the LSM talking points. Of note, he intercepted a wonderful question from a young man who asked “How much of my money do you think I should be allowed to keep?” and limited the participant response to only two contenders… while it was obvious that others wanted to comment on that question. He continually called upon Perry, Romney, and Huntsman as if they were the only three viable candidates. He practically ignored Cain and Gingrich in the last half of the debate.
The good news is that despite Wolf’s efforts to prop-up Huntsman, that particular RINO showed himself to be just another shallow, ill-informed (regarding the audience), shill for moderation at a time this nation needs a strong committed leader. May I add that I thought Huntsman was not only ineffective, but he was really creepy with his “cheap shot” act.
PARTICIPANTS/ANALYSIS: The best thing about the evening was the audience, if a candidate said something they didn’t like… the audience let them know it! So this analysis has more to do with the perception of the audience than it does with the candidates themselves.
Michele Bachmann – The audience loved her, and she was finally given the chance to move away from slogans and give her reasons for her policies and views. It was a great presentation that showed that she is deserving of being in the top-tier!
Herman Cain – Mostly ignored by the aging second-stringer know as Wolf Blitzer… he was also an audience favorite, but was not given the chance to expound on his views and plans. He really does need to get a little more aggressive in fighting for a fair share of the time allotted. Did you notice that he was the only one who was held to the 60 second response standard?
Newt Gingrich – His usual superb and skillful debate performance. The audience seemed glad he was there, but I suspect most won’t be considering him as someone worthy of their vote.
Jon Huntsman – The audience did not like him. His prissy, meaningless and time-consuming answers were obviously grating on the nerves of the TEA Party folks present and they resented the idea that he was getting “air-time” over serious Republican candidates.
Ron Paul – Like the wacko relative who always shows-up at the picnic, the audience was polite to Paul… until the subject turns to foreign affairs (and why we should blame ourselves for 9/11) which brought about a reaction from the audience showing they could contain their irritation no longer… and gave him the heave-ho.
Rick Perry – The audience brought him down a peg. He’s still in the running and may get the TP vote… but the enthusiasm is now somewhat diluted. He was the number one target of the evening and the audience certainly let him know what they think of Government interference and illegal immigration… he might be licking some wounds today.
Mitt Romney – Thank goodness the TEA Party audience booed him on several occasions during the debate and they certainly let him know that “smooth-talking,” insincere, and politically correct answers are not appreciated. The adage: “No Guts – No Glory” comes to mind and Mitt once again proved he as no real guts… just image driven fluff.
Rick Santorum – He certainly had the performance of the night! The audience seemed to gain a newfound respect for him. I don’t know if this was a “breakout performance” or not, but IMHO he was the biggest winner of the night.
RANKED IN ORDER of performance (helped/hurt their campaign)
1. Santorum – 2. Bachmann – 3. Cain – 4. Gingrich – 5. Romney – 6. Perry – 7. Paul – 8. Huntsman.
- Grump :o)
The attacks won't hurt him
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:20am.
but his own actions will.
Soft on Illegal aliens, the gardasil debacle and his wishy washy stance on the Second Amendment all come together as explainable when one considers his 10th Amendment stance. At first, many cheer it, but then they realize.....
Perry is a bog government hack not all that different than Barry. He just thinks that State government should hold all the authority where Barry thinks the federal government holds all the power. Both are mistaken on the same point. We The People hold all the power.
Does the Al Gore support and former Democrat status make more sense now? It should. Perry is a Big Government Nannystater - and there really ain't no way around that reality. His candidacy is much like that of McCain on the RINO factor.
Perry is not one to support. Doing so is just bowing to media, again, thus allowing media to choose our candidate for us. Don't fall into that trap, or the other ones set for us so far. Do all these candidates say cheerable things? Absolutely.
Notice - NOT ONE has bothered to say ANYTHING about The GunWalker Scandal. Why is that? Simple. Like the rest of the Establishment GOP, they are more interested in the way things play in election cycles than they are in JUSTICE itself.
None of those declared already are offering anything we don't already have now - the "say one thing and do another" career politician. Even Bachmann, as she is a Lawyer. Remember, lawyers simply do NOT bite the hand that feeds them. They also put structure before substance. So don't be fooled by her either. Establishment candidates all.
The only way to beat the machine is to deny it the fuel of your vote. If you fill the tank with your vote, then you cannot complain about being run over, again, by it.
Mind Your Vote!
The one worthy of election, on the merits, is not even yet in this race.
Using liberal attacks
Submitted by ArcherB on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:20am.
I don't necessarily have a problem with everyone attacking the front runner. The problem I have is that they are repeating liberal lies as attacks. For example:
"To have innocent little 12 year old girls to be forced to have government injections through an executive order is just flat-out wrong," Bachmann said.
Does that mean that Bachmann is against all vaccine injections? You know, like those that wiped out polio? Those that are REQUIRED by law for children to receive before going to school, which they must also do by law?
Also, the HPV vaccine was optional, meaning parents could OPT OUT and NOT give them to their children. It was called "mandatory" because health insurance wouldn't cover it if it were not labeled as mandatory.
And as for the HPV thing... this is a cancer vaccine. If you could eliminate a type of cancer in your state, as governor, you would NOT mandate it?
Also from Bachman:
"We cannot forget that in the midst of this executive order there's a big drug company that made millions of dollars because of this." She added that a former Perry aide was a lobbyist for the company and asked if the issue was about saving lives or money.
Is she accusing the governor of taking bribes? It is going to be really hard to back out of that if Perry wins the nomination. How can she, as the rest of them, for endorsing Perry after accusing him of taking bribes?
Of course, I don't expect Ron Paul to endorse Perry when all is said and done, but I find the silence deafening when he failed to speak up when Romney attacked Perry over saying that Social Security is Unconstitutional. I believe that Paul feels the same way, yet he sat there silent.
On the other hand, it's good that Perry is getting vetted. If he can survive these attacks, he should do well in the general election. The problem is that it will be hard for Romney to support Perry by speaking about the excellent Texas economy in the general election after he has spent the past several weeks bashing it.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
~It's not a cancer vaccine
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:16pm.
It's a sexually transmitted virus vaccine. The STD (human papilloma virus) can sometimes cause cervical cancer, but there are over 40 different strains of the virus and the vaccine is not effective against every single one. Basically, this vaccine is intended to provide (some) protection to the sexually promiscuous. Yeah, I can see why that would offend some parents.
Unfortunately, the shot is
Submitted by marpel on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:58pm.
Unfortunately, the shot is not effective unless a male gets the vaccine also. Getting Cervical cancer is not a sign of promiscuity. It happens. But if the male partner was promiscuous in his youth, it doesn't matter if he marries an ex-nun...he'll pass HPV to her. So, I don't see it as just a promiscuity issue regarding the HPV shot.
"Deep within my heart lies a memory. A song of ol' San Antone..."
~Didn't say it was
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:06pm.
You can get cervical cancer without having HPV, but the vaccine is solely for HPV, which is primarily transferred through sexual contact. That's why it's not a "cancer vaccine", but an STD vaccine.
If the male partner was promiscuous in his youth, it's still a promiscuity issue. It's just his, not hers. In that case I would recommend the man getting tested before marrying the ex-nun, who can then get the vaccine if she chooses to marry the reformed gigolo.
Marpel
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:49pm.
Gardasil is effective even if males do not get the series of injections. Obviously, HPV infections will decrease more so if females and males are vacinated since either sex can transmit the virus.
A little more detail about HPV and cervical cancer.
Note: The types of HPV most likely to cause cancer in the are 6, 11, 16 and 18. Gardasil helps protect against all four types - 6, 11, 16, 18 - in females and males. All four types of HPV may cause anal cancer. Types 16 and 18 may cause cervical cancer. Types 6 and 11 may cause anogenital warts.
From the Gardasil website:
There is another HPV vaccine called Cervarix which protects against HPV types 16 and 18 only.
Good evening strat
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 09/14/2011 - 12:08am.
Thanks for the info. I pray you and yours have been well.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Hello Cocodrie. Thank you
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 09/14/2011 - 12:40am.
Hello Cocodrie. Thank you for your prayers. I hope all is well with you and yours, too.
I was posting medical information, not commenting on sociopolitical or religious matters. Thought I would add my 0.9 cents worth to the discussion. It would have been 2 cents worth but Obama and his idiots have devalued the dollar.
Was at Costco today and they were giving out samples of gumbo. Not bad but nothing like down there where you hail.
it's the Alex Jones crowd...
Submitted by humanzee on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:16pm.
It's the NWO, UFO, AREA 51 conspiracy theorists who have a problem with the vaccine.
The moral right doesn't mind vaccines. HPV is an STD that will affect the most moral of women if they marry a scumbag. A vaccine is a vaccine, not an abortion.
The real issue is that it was a vaccine that was going to be distributed by mandate. That raises the ears of anyone who has ever watched the X-Files or played any video game made in the last 20 years.
Perry is a former Air Force Captain. He is the governor of a state with lots of open spaces where people think underground alien bases exist. All of a sudden he's the coolest candidate in the race 'cause he works for the Grey Aliens.
Perry... gotta love this dude. Just wait until they make an issue of who has hung around with. Perry's badass factor is immeasurable.
~If you look at both my posts on this
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:22pm.
You'll see that the only opinion I've expressed on the matter is that I could see how the implication of promiscuity could offend some parents. I simply offered facts about what the vaccine is effective against after ArcherB incorrectly referred to it as a "cancer vaccine".
If you're implying that I am a conspiro violently against vaccination you've certainly read a heck of a lot into my posts that isn't there.
Whoa Bru!!!! What's with
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:56pm.
Whoa Bru!!!!
What's with all the vitriol? ;-)
~Oops
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 2:05pm.
Did the muzzle blast singe your eyebrows? Sorry about that, sometimes I get a little carried away whilst spraying automatic fire at all and sundry and laughing like a maniac.
Kind of like Tom Cruise at
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 2:11pm.
Kind of like Tom Cruise at the end of "Taps"? :-p
~Hahahahahahaha!
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 2:16pm.
Had to look it up, I've never seen it. It came out the year after I was born. :-D
It's beautiful, man!
Reading comprehension
Submitted by Khyris on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 2:33pm.
Good reading comprehension implies that the issue is NOT with "all vaccines" but with imposing a mandate UNILATERALLY via executive order. Malkin has all the details on how shady this was... the vaccine had not even completed clinical trials. Parents could "opt out" but insurance companies could not.... you mistakenly seem to think this was a good thing. It really meant that regardless of whether their child received the shot, their insurance rates would be forced to increase, and Merck would get a payout. Your arguments have a fundamental lack of understanding of the nature of freedom... "If it's good for you, the government should mandate it"?
Too liberal for me.
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:25am.
I would rather have an honest citizen like Cain than a slick "reformed" liberal politician. It is very upsetting to me that a couple great people are selfishly not running like Rand Paul & Paul Ryan. You are supposed to be willing to die for the country. Why can't they do this for the Country? Seems just wrong at this crucial turning point. We NEED they right person in there as POTUS, and not an establishment Republican.
I was at the live debate w/Perry & (bigger RINO) KB Hutchinson. IMO, she did much better. She came to the front row afterwards & I congratulated her (despite not being "for" her per se). Perry was surprisingly unprepared & seemed like a frat boy placed in there based on status. Maybe he is truly reformed; I don't know. Not convinced yet but sure, if forced against any Dem, I would vote for him.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
marsh
Submitted by Marsh on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:26am.
Perry gives in state tuition to illegals.
He's against e verifying SS#'s for private and government jobs.
He's against the fence.
How is that conservative?
How?
Submitted by ArcherB on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:07pm.
He's for low taxes, states rights, 10th Amendment, moral values.....
and the list goes on and on and on.
In state tuition: The in state tuition goes to students who moved here with their parents and have lived here for years with their parents (or whoever they are renting from) paying property taxes. You may still disagree with this, as I do, but don't try to make it seem like Perry advocates allowing students to sneak across the border and attend state college while paying in state tuition. The in state tuition laws are the same for the children of illegals than than they are for out of state students. "To punish these young Texans for their parents' actions is not what America has always been about."
Also, this passed the Texas State Legislature. Are you trying to say that the Texas State Legislature is full of RINO's?
E-verify: I can't defend this, but it's hardly going to make me vote for Obama. When compared to Massachusetts' health care law signed into effect by Romney, I'll vote for Perry any day.
Border Fence: Have you been to the Mexico/Texas border? If you do, you'll notice that it is a river. It is impractical to place a fence along the edge of a river or through the middle of Falcon Lake. Also understand that much of the land in the area is privately owned. I assume you were against the Trans-Texas Corridor because it required the government seizure of private lands. How can you support the same thing for a fence?
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
A Fraud in sheep's clothing
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 3:16pm.
HE LOVED AL GORE and WAS a DEMONRAT not too long ago.
Can you say fraud?
All hat and no real cattle.
Al Gore was at one time to
Submitted by humanzee on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 4:02pm.
Al Gore was at one time to the right of Bill Clinton, that is why he was chosen as his running mate. He was a Dixiecrat... the ones kicked out of the Democrat party. At one time, no one thought of him as a progressive. They saw him as a blue collar friendly, banjo playing bible thumper.
Perry wouldn't fit in with the Democrats of today. Too Christian, too southern, too rough, too confrontational, too traditional, too Texan. Democrats today are New York to San Francisco with a stop in Chicago. Romney appeals to the liberal hipster crowd as much as the current Pope.
If he was a Democrat
Submitted by Marsh on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 4:44pm.
you'd never cut him this much slack
Perry landed on his feet last night
Submitted by totsotvaitn on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:31am.
and will survive for awhile unless "future revelations" become more serious.
The real news is Ron Paul crashed and burned last night. Ron might as well pack up and head for retirement on the "farm". His explanation as to what motivated the perpatrators of 9/11 revealed his true beliefs and Paul deserved the booing from the audience. He is done!
Rush said today that Paul and
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 3:05pm.
Rush said today that Paul and Huntsman should mount a campaign on the Democratic ticket against Obama.
It won't hurt Perry.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:36am.
All of these attacks might actually make him stronger. If he can't take this sort of bitch slapping, he sure as hell can't be president.
Romney, in the clip, looked absolutely ridiculous! He has such a wimpy little condescending smile all the time. I mean, what is with this guy with the lollypops and roses face while others speak? He was looking at Bachmann like he was thinking, "Oh please don't say anything ugly about me." Maybe they already are in talks for a Romney-Bachmann ticket?
I love Bachmann, but she needs to look at Perry ( or anyone else) when she is talking about him. He looked directly at her when he said he was offended that he could be bought for $5,000. She never looked his way when she responded.
Come on, Michelle. Man up. If you're attacking someone, do it head on, not with your back to them.
They all need to remember Reagan's rule or they could put Bambi right back in the White House. Obama is the enemy, not the other Republicans..
As my Gov, Rick Perry did not
Submitted by marpel on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:44am.
As my Gov, Rick Perry did not receive a lot of positive reaction regarding the illegal issue here. But, how dare Michele Bachman accuse a fellow Republican of bribery regarding the HPV shot. First of all, this state has an Opt Out clause for the injection. Secondly, I've had cervical cancer, and I wish I would have received a shot if it had been available. Yes, there are things that Rick Perry has gone with that are not popular with the citizens of this state, but shame on Michele Bachman for skewing the entire HPV injection issue.
"Deep within my heart lies a memory. A song of ol' San Antone..."
On a brighter note.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:53am.
Obama has managed to make the economic outlook for south Florida brighter!
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44494281
With the Chinese taking control of the Caribbean basin, the military presence in the area should just get bigger and brighter, unless, of course, Bambi manages to reduce our military to a shadow of it's former self as the Chinese continue to grow in the area.
Does this guy have the magic touch or what? He's stirred up the entire Middle East and North Africa, and now he's in the process of giving China a free run at our southern border.
I guess that's what happens when you think your country has been bad. We need to be brought down a notch or two.
The Winner of Last Night's Debate
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:01pm.
I thought the winner of the CNN debate was Wolf Blitzer. Unlike the previous debate on MSNBC, Wolf Blitzer was very clever in his approach to getting the Republican candidates bogged down in flinging mud at each other over topics that, frankly, are not the topics that matter to most Americans. Blitzer used the format, have a Tea Party person ask a policy question, and then, within a response or two, turn that question into a tangent where candidates would attack each other on side issues that were unrelated, or only vaguely related, to the actual question being asked.
Yea, I want to know the differences of the candidates, but I want to know the differences based on the major issues related to our economy, jobs, excessive regulation, the debt crisis, the banking crisis, and national defense.
The candidates were only too happy to get into the side issues that Blitzer brought up, so they could score a small mud slinging temporary sound bite "win".
A side note of my own: Newt Gingrich continues to impress me. I don't want him to be the Presidential candidate, but I think he would be a strong VP candidate. He could feed the base a lot of red meat in his pointed attacks on the media and the Dems.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Kingfish~
Submitted by GG_NB on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:52pm.
You mean the weiner -- not the winner -- right?;)
I think most of us could see what Wolfie was doing. I think the candidates were foolish to fall for it...but Wolfie was eeeeevil to instigate it. ;)
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Agree about Wolf
Submitted by FAR52 on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:08pm.
He was terrific. Perry has serious problems. I'm glad they are surfacing now. Thank God we are actually vetting our candidates -- unlike the dems in 2007-2008. Perhaps it will keep us from nominating a guy that can't beat Obama.
My doubts about Rick Perry's conservativeness...
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:20pm.
...increased dramatically after last night's debate. Earlier this summer, my jaw dropped when Perry endorsed the right of the state of New York to redefine marriage. He qualified that by saying he personally believes that marriage should be restricted to one man-one woman, but was fully in favour of each state to make that decision for themselves. (I personally don't agree with his reasoning.)
That doesn't sound like a conservative to me, and now after watching his performance during the debate last night, and having this other stuff come out (vaccine, fence, tuition for illegal immigrant students), I got to wonder how many more skeletons are in his closet.
Which of course begs the question... Why is the media so gung-ho on portraying this candidate as right-wing conservative a-la George Bush?
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
Unfortunately Perry is Correct
Submitted by Conservator on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:51pm.
I live in NYS, the Holy Grail of leftist politics. But, the 10th Amendment clearly gives the States that right. While I disagree with the gay marriage legislation, there's nothing in NYS' Constitution that makes it unconstitutional.
BTW, the Tenth Amendment states the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution are reserved, respectively, to the states or the people.
Rep. Bachmann was wrong when she stated that it was unconstitutional for Massachusetts to pass Romneycare. The federal government doesn't have jurisdiction over state laws passed, unless they're in opposition to federal law. I didn't support Romneycare either.
After reading The Post and a few other lefty newspapers, there are numerous articles attacking Perry. Yet, at this point in time, whether the MSM publishes negative or positive stories about him, all of them increase Perry's name recognition. And that's a win for him IMO.
Bachmann clearly won the last
Submitted by humanzee on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 12:41pm.
Bachmann clearly won the last debate. She gained the most out of it. I find some of her rhetoric corny but she has good ideas. Other candidates have been expressing the same ideas in a less corny manner. She needs to act more natural, less stiff.
As for Perry, nothing said about him is deal breaking or will have a lingering effect. Nothing of what was dwelt upon hurts him against Obama.
The vaccines are a non-issue. Many voters remember getting mandatory polio vaccines and the like. The biggest issue with the HPV is that it's a lifestyle disease, an STD. But it's a real disease that girls can affect girls even if they're moral and upright Christian women when they marry a scumbag adulterer.
The vaccine issue doesn't hurt him with the Christian right. He wasn't forcing abortions on them, he wanted them to get vaccinated to prevent CANCER!!!
Immigration is a tricky subject. On one hand the only thing keeping more Hispanics from voting GOP is their stupid loyalty to illegals. Perry is Texan and they have a lot of Hispanics. They have Tex-Mex cuisine. The border fence is something that he personally doesn't like for some reason.
Perry's immigration stance is non-antagonizing to Hispanics yet good enough for Tea Party types. The Tea Party is not the Minuteman organization. Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, and other tea parties aren't gung-ho for a border fence, either. Perry wants more border patrol, more enforcement, and orderly low skill laborer immigration from Latin America. He doesn't support the dream act. He's not giving away free money to illegal immigrant students. His immigration policy is conservative enough without totally punching the Hispanic population in the face.
Perry is in a good position. Hispanics aren't crazy for Obama. He hasn't really lived up to his outlandish promises for them. Most Hispanics aren't black and aren't going to vote for him because he's black the second time around.
It's the right time for the GOP to convince voting Hispanics in places like Florida and other "swing" states to pursue their own interests over those of illegal immigrants of their ethnicity. New Mexico already has a Hispanic Governor and Hispanic Lt. Governor that are already pushing anti-illegal alien legislation in their state.
As for Hispanics. Immigration reform will be the best thing to happen to Latin American immigrants in the long term. It is not in the interest of people seeking a better life to be second-class citizens for life. By controlling immigration and passing legislation to make immigration by low skilled laborers from countries to the south of us easier, they can enter the united states with more rights and less fear.
Post-debate therapy~
Submitted by GG_NB on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:18pm.
Very thoughtful comments on here. Great job, everyone. I agree with so many of them -- so much so that I feel all over the place because I'm practically on the edge of contradicting myself...or maybe I fell off the edge already. I am not a wishy-washy person, so I am getting on my own last nerve. ^_^
I almost need post-debate therapy! My problem is that I just really, really want to get behind someone and feel solid hope (not fluctuating emotions) that we are getting Obama outta there and solidifying who is going to take us there. That is why I find myself so conflicted. I think I'm analyzing everything too much without perspective -- and I am bumming myself out! I believe we do have some good people here (way better than O, of course), but I am taking all the weaknesses/problem areas for each one to heart and letting it get me into the mindset that we need the "perfect" person. Clearly, nobody will be PERFECT, and there will be disagreements on who is "best" for our country. For instance, many conservatives I greatly respect on NB disagree themselves on the right candidate. Yes, that is reality, and it should come as no surprise to me...but I have been ready since Day 1 for O to leave office, so I really want agreement this time around...and soon!! Yeah, I have a patience problem. LOL.
I am also bumming about how the candidates are attacking each other in the debates (not the perfectly fine disagreements they have -- the more slamming attacks that are many times "half the story" and seem more about taking others down than building up their own candidacy). I realize there is sometimes a thin line between "debate" and "attack," but I think some are clearly crossing that line -- and the MSM are loving that. For me, it would be wise to not haphazardly supply negative ammo for the general election ads/Obama/lib talking heads. I wish the candidates would all just agree to make their own case and not give libs/the MSM what they're looking for...but alas, this is the real world of politics. I think it would be refreshing if they would also do business differently in THIS regard.
Some feel Bachman will surge in the polls for her attacks on Perry, and she very well might. I agree with the overall point she was making (and absolutely loved her passion on the issue) but did not admire a portion of how she handled it. I actually admire how Cain never gets down in the dirt. It makes me trust him more. He makes his points without demeaning others or insidiously insinuating negative things about them personally that I feel are an unfair overreach. I do think his self-restraint/decency in his choice of the words toward others is a positive character trait -- and it's a decision. He acts like an adult and comes off more grounded/stable, and it also seems like the overall more selfless thing to do for "We The People." In the end, only one of these people will be left standing. I wish they would all reflect more deeply that "it may not be me" -- and consider that someone else may end up against Obama with attack baggage that they carelessly tossed out there for the sake of winning. But I get it. It's politics.
Now watch...Now that I've praised Cain in this regard, he will attack someone personally in the next debate. LOL.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
No, last night's debate did
Submitted by MikeB on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:17pm.
No, last night's debate did not hurt Rick Perry's campaign as far as I am concerned. Perry does not have my vote. If I wanted someone who thought that illegal immigration was just fine and that children of illegal aliens deserved to have the same benefits, including in-State tuition, as children of citizens and legally resident aliens, I'd vote for McCain. If I wanted soemone who thought that the State is the entity that should make parental choices concerning medical treatment for themselves or their children, I'd vote for McCain. A McCain presidency would have been a Charlie Foxtrot. Granted, not as much a charlie foxtrot as with His Majesty, Ruler for Life, Healer of the Planet, Barry Soetero, but a charlie foxtrot nonetheless.
If the choice once again becomes a choice of Commucrat and Commucrat-lite, my choice will be "None of the Above". And, if that means four more years of Ogabe, then that is the fault of the RINO establishment for not giving us a candidate that is in contrast to Ear Leader.
Hopefully
Submitted by trickle_down on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:51pm.
I certainly hope it hurts his campaign. I'm a Texan, and support the Tea Party, and I do not believe that Perry walks the walk. I will not vote for him in the primary, even if he has it locked up by then. His popularity around the country is based on guessing what he really is and superficial packaging and a few talking points. He's an OK governor in a state that pretty much runs itself, but I certainly part ways on several issues. He's a big government guy, and a big talker, not a true fiscal conservative or Tea Party type that this country really needs right now.
Trickle~interesting
Submitted by GG_NB on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 1:54pm.
Who would you vote for?
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Just one question
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 2:24pm.
If he's such a big government guy, then why has he gotten out of the way of Texas pretty much running itself? Unlike someone say....oh how about Jerry Brown of California?
If he was all those things you say he is, wouldn't things in Texas be a lot worse? He's been governor for 10 years now after all.
-Jon
Agree tricle down
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 4:39pm.
Nix Perry, Romney & Huntman. All RINO insiders IMO. Cannot be trusted once they get power. Saying and doing are two different things for politicians.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Agree tricle down
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 4:39pm.
Nix Perry, Romney & Huntman. All RINO insiders IMO. Cannot be trusted once they get power. Saying and doing are two different things for politicians.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
The truth will set you free
Submitted by Pha Pha on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 2:53pm.
Its amazing that they beat him up for the telling the truth. SS is a Ponzi sceam, he did make a mistake with the cancer vaccination. The guy has guts. If he dosen't get the nomination, he should be at ease that he said what he meant and meant what he said.
The problem is that most of America dosen't want to hear the truth. But is is time to hear it and deal with it. We have been lied to long enough.
I might not vote for Perry, but I admire him.
Herman Cain 2012
Perry has some splainin'.................. to do
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 3:07pm.
When I said I BET it will be Romney-Rubio, I didn't endorse the duo (though I don't hate Romney like some do, having campaigned for him in Mass against Ted the Swimmer and for Governor).
I WANT TO BEAT OBAMBI and I don't think Perry or anyone in the race besides Romney could. just MHO.
Rubio, is smart, attractive and YES, a minority that would wake up the folks that normally vote Dem to vote their REAL beliefs and that is Conservatism.
In my perfect world I get Herman Cain, Condi Rice, Rubio, Christie or PAUL RYAN (the smartest guy in the room) and I grab two and I am happy as shit.
The world isn't perfect and I want Obama one and done at all costs.
The problem with Romney is
Submitted by humanzee on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 3:52pm.
The problem with Romney is how his support base is top heavy. He's the east coast insider's beltway boy. He's oblivious on how to sell his message to the common man. He's cringe worthy in that respect.
Like I said before, he's trying to cover the sun with a finger. He can't shake his past. He's made "nice nice" with too many Democrat elites like Ted Kennedy. He's too friendly with the fringe left, the ones currently running the Democrat party. He's the candidate the Democrats would love to face because they know everything about him. Obama will only paint him as liberal as him and will try to get conservatives to stay home, which they may as well do. Can you imagine how much dirt they probably have on him?
He's the guy most likely to spawn a third party challenger and split the conservative vote.
Obama would beat Romney. He's got no credibility with evangelicals. He's tepid with the Tea Party. He's not hardcore on immigration. He's got no fire behind him. He's got no credibility going after Obamacare... aka Obamneycare. He also has that propensity to try to walk the political tightrope as McCain. There is also that desperation he conveys. "Oh my goodness, I've spent millions of my own money. I want something to show for it!" It's like he wants to shake everyone until they forget about his past.
Romney has his positives but too many negatives. He'd get creamed.
Even though Perry was a democrat, he was the dixiecrat variety and not the Pelosi/Kerry variety.
But wait, there's more
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 3:13pm.
Like Marsh, I have issues with this crap from Perry:
Perry gives in state tuition to illegals.
He's against e verifying SS#'s for private and government jobs.
He's against the fence.
I add in two words - AL GORE
NOBODY that used to be a Demonrat get's my vote, EVER.
With Perry, the only way that EVER happens is if my only other choice is Obambi.
Then I hold my nose and vote for this fraud.
So then..
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 4:33pm.
NOBODY that used to be a Demonrat get's my vote, EVER.
Does that mean you wouldn't vote for Reagan?
I knew Ronald Reagan.............................
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 5:08pm.
Did he ever suck face with Al Gore like Perry did?
Perry is not in the same league with Reagan.
Perry is a fraud.
I can see ones views moderating over a period of DECADES, not a few minutes.
Records
Submitted by paragrouper on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 3:15pm.
Perry can expect plenty of flack--he's the front runner. He's also pretty easy to attack--because he has a record.
He's been our governor for a while (third term now). It goes without saying that I can agree with all of his decisions, but he has presided over the Texas government during a time of severe economic instability and guess what--0things aren't so bad here in Texas. There's not too many states that can make that claim.
Whether his predecessor registered greater growth is really immaterial, as they were not faced with the same economic conditions. others who claim he actually had little to do with Texas' growth--whatever--he's the Governor, or course he gets his share of the credit just like he would get the blame.
I don't agree with all of his positions, but I do considered him to be the best suited of the candidates for the postion.
YMMV.
My debate winners highlighted by Romney.
Submitted by cbeyer on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 4:31pm.
Romney by a mile (presidential, articulate, great answers). Continues to win me over. Would wipe Obama out in a debate. Could win. Not sure any others could except perhaps Perry.
Perry: better performance. Stood up against withering attacks.
Bachmann: Shrill...over the top attack on Perry. Showed desperation. This woman has thin credentials and not remotely comparable to Romney and Perry.
Gingrich: Brightest man on the stage....early stumbles in the campaign have doomed him.
Santorum: Better performance...still don't think he illicits excitement from anywhere.
Cain: Love the man but don't think he can gain traction to win the nomination.
Huntsman: Milk toast. Liberal on Global warming, gay marriage. Not impressive. Campaign going no where.
Paul: Fringe nutcase. Exposed as blaming the U.S. for 911. World views are frightening. Does not see Islamic Extremism as the threat that it is. Funny, Saudi Arabia and other more moderate Arab countries are scared to death of Fundamentilists.
Hmmm
Submitted by Bill The Bold on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 4:42pm.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/huntsman-staffer-says-she-sick-sad-re...
Yawnnn
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 4:46pm.
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Wolf did a good job
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 5:14pm.
Why do I say Wolf did a good job? Because he was not the center of discussion. I thought he was exceptional at pulling off the "Mills Lane" impersonation "Let's get it on!"
I still think Perry will be
Submitted by marpel on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 5:52pm.
I still think Perry will be ok after last night. He had to know that he was going to get blasted because he is the front runner. As for Huntsman, he's not going to get anywhere. Ron Paul committed political suicide last night. I really liked some of Cain's answers. Romney sounded to dang shrill and so did Bachman. I think Newt had some great answers. The man is brilliant, but his wife will ruin the race for him. Santorum seems to be a nice man, but doesn't have the chops to be Prez. Did I miss anyone?
"Deep within my heart lies a memory. A song of ol' San Antone..."
If anyone thought that
Submitted by NevadanConservative on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 6:00pm.
a debate hosted by the biased media would be anything objective, there is still Florida swampland to invest in.
I freely admit I did not see it. Judging from the results herein, I have two points:
1. The GOP had better hurry the hell up and get their a-team together BEFORE the end of the year.
2. Those that back up folks that DON'T get the nod, AND those folks themselves that don't get the nod, need to not whine, dust off, and make common cause with whomever and stay that way. (NOT doing that is part of what got Reid back in office out here.. that and a freightcar fulla last minute votes. They learned their lesson though... They are gonna be solid behind Heller in 2012.)
If we fracture and fragment, Obama wins.
If Obama wins, Jan. 20, 2013 becomes the first day of a thousand years of darkness that will make the former Dark Ages look like sweetness and light.
This time, though, there will be no recovery.
NVCon
Great campaign video
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 6:11pm.
I hope someone hasn't already posted this: Roger Williams for Congress.
I was disappointed to hear
Submitted by deerjerkydave on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 7:16pm.
I was disappointed to hear Perry's strong support for in-state tuition for illegal aliens. I get the feeling he's not the rock ribbed conservative some people were hoping for.
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Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 8:39pm.
Click here to view the future repository of the collected works of the 44th POTUS.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
The only thing wrong with
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 8:47pm.
The only thing wrong with that is one wouldn't have the pleasure of flushing.
mb,
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 8:50pm.
LOL - Yeah, but then you couldn't put in on a trailer. :-)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Obama Out House --- lol
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 09/15/2011 - 9:40am.
Economy, jobs, houses, lives flushed down the ole swirly. Thanks SOCIALISTS! Great job killing many, many Americans figuratively & quite a few literally. Change we don't want. Change you forced. Lie after lie. Transparency. Ethics. LOL, what a joke.
FYI. the Dallas Morning News front bottom half today is hitting on Perry. Headline is: "Perry courts evangelicals, touts his 'Christian Values.'" THEN right NEXT to it is the headline is "Education: Texas SAT scores decline sharply." Why is "Christian Values" in quotes? Sharply is 5 points? Then the article quotes a person at the end saying the reason is more minorities are taking the test and they score lower. Says it is a good thing they want to go to college; "positive sign for the future." I am glad I am not paying for these Editor hack works. We see exactly what you are up to & don't think we will ever forget it.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
It's green, kinda.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 09/14/2011 - 1:04am.
I forgot my comic book left it behind, no paper in the stall, sign said paper work reduction act. The Comic book.
You Didn't Build That.
As a tribute to former
Submitted by MikeB on Tue, 09/13/2011 - 11:35pm.
As a tribute to former Presidents, we have several CVN aircraft carriers named after Presidents. We have the Ronald Reagan, the John F Kennedy, the Dwight D. Eisenhower, the Theodore Roosevelt, the Abraham Lincoln, the George Washington, the Harry S Truman, and the George H W Bush.
As a tribute to complete charlie foxtrot presidents, I suggest the Navy names their next two garbage scows the Jimmy Carter and the Barak Obama. For Bill Clinton, they'd have to come up with an entirely new class of ship: a floating brothel.
Edit: the John F. Kennedy will be the second of the new Gerald R Ford class of aircraft carrier. The Ford should be commissioned in 2015, and the Kennedy in 2018.