Open Thread: Romney, Perry, Bachmann, and Paul All in Close Race With Obama
Contrary to the media myth that none of the Republican presidential candidates can beat President Obama next fall, a new Gallup poll suggests that the top four GOP candidates would actually all have close races with Obama if the election were held today.
Mitt Romney polled 2% above Obama, 48% to 46%, Rick Perry was tied with Obama, at 47%, Ron Paul lagged polled 2% below Obama, 45% to 47%, and Michele Bachmann polled 4% below Obama, 44% to 48%. What do you think of the latest poll results? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
According to Gallup's research,
Democratic and Republican registered voters display strong allegiance for their party's candidate across these election match-ups. Democrats are the most consistent, voting for Obama to about the same degree regardless of who the GOP candidate is. Republicans exhibit a little more variation, giving their strongest support to Perry (92% would vote for him) and Romney (91%), weaker support to Bachmann (86%), and the weakest support to Paul (82%). Independents tilt at least slightly toward voting for Romney, Perry, and Paul against Obama, while tilting slightly toward Obama when he is pitted against Bachmann.
Furthermore, this poll surveyed only registered voters and adults, segments which generally tend to be more liberal than likely voters. This could indicate an even more promising election for the GOP next fall. Without huge differences among any of the top four candidates compared to Obama, what do you think this means for 2012?
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The head of lettuce
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:36am.
in my produce drawer is tracking only a few points behind, too.
According to pollster Frank Luntz this morning on . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:41am.
. . . Fox & Friends, approx 40% of those polled will vote for anybody but Obama in 2012. That looks like bad news for the incumbent, but anything can happen between now and Nov 2012. A lot will have to do with who wins the GOP nomination, and whether any third candidates jump into the race.
Frankly, those "if the
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:41am.
Frankly, those "if the election was held today" polls mean diddly-squat since the election is over a year away. A whole heckuva a lot of things can happen between now and then.
"This poll is unconstitutional... and intellectually dishonest."
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:55am.
Satchmo asked me to pass that along.
You read it wrong
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:08am.
Ron Paul will win.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Ron paul is a pathetic candidate followed by fringe Isolationist
Submitted by cbeyer on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:23pm.
Ron Paul has no chance of winning the Republican nomination. His second place showing in Iowa was just a straw poll and was meaningless. There are many reasons why Ron Paul is a terrible candidate starting with the fact that he is a nutcase. Here are some key areas that would be impenetrable roadblocks to Paul being the Republican standard bearer.
National Defense: Most republicans and conservatives support a strong national defense and the war against Islamic Extremism. Paul's comments in the last debate advocating the right of Iran to have nuclear weapons is nothing short of idiocy. Iran has repeatedly called for the obliteration of the State of Israel and has made many threats against America. Beyond adding a dangerous state to the list of Nuclear weaponized countries, Iran is known to be a world wide exporter of and supporter of terrorism. Isolationism as an approach to Iran is just plain wrong.
Legalization of drugs: A strong advocate of legalizing drugs places Paul at odds with most conservatives and republicans.
Hair brained positions: Ron Paul was an early advocate of the belief that 911 could have been an 'inside job' rather than as the result of Islamic Terrorists. He has never fully renounced that belief in spite of overwhelming and irrefutable evidence (including Osama Bin Laden and other Islamists having taken credit for 911) that this was and Al Qaida) operation.
While his strong constitutionalist principals are admirable, this Quirky guy is unelectable as either the standard bearer for the Republican party and even more so in the broad electorate as a presidential candidate. Clearly he does have, however, a very loyal group of fringe followers.
cb
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:16am.
Thanks for the well written post.
I was being sarcastic about RP....just doing my bit to stir the pot.
Your post was spot on.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
SatchelMouth (wherever you are), ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 9:24pm.
you absolutely cannot imagine the exquisite joy I feel knowing that you are reading these threads daily, and can't contribute ONE, not ONE SINGLE post, containing your usual consummate drivel.
"Free at last, free at last. Thank whosoever, whomsoever, or whatsoever; free at last."
Going to be interesting, though, on your next drive-through, to see how long it will take to out you from behind the new username.
Even more interesting to see your explanation as to how you were not really banned; it was all a misunderstanding.
Once a putz, always a putz.
MD
MD
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 9:29pm.
Not having a particularly good day, but you have reminded me to always look for that silver lining. Thanks.
Meanwhile Ted is creating his next account...
Thanks, Rad---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 9:43pm.
you made me laugh; picturing Ted, the "mad scientist", in his laboratory, amidst his test tubes, with Satchmo peering over his shoulder to observe and learn from the master infiltrator.
Too funny.
Be even funnier if Satchmo were 'peeing' instead of 'peering'. :o)
Hang in there, kiddo.
Sending good thoughts your way.
MD
Indeed, MD.
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 9:33pm.
Just knowing that incestmo is out there, pounding on his mom's keyboard, screaming that ronpaul is the answer, he's right, the only one who votes the Constitution every time, makes my day, and night.
I'm waiting for his explanation on how he was mistakenly not banned.
"Thank whosoever, whomsoever, or whatsoever;"
Submitted by Dan Diego on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:33pm.
I'm sure you know, but just in case...
"I've stopped it
Submitted by Matthew Sheffield on Fri, 08/19/2011 - 4:21pm."
Dan Diego---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 10:38pm.
"He's dead, Jim." :o)
Thanks.
MD
And let us hope NB admin
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 08/24/2011 - 9:45am.
And let us hope NB admin prevents it from being resurrected via another username.
Wow! Satchmo, the troll is
Submitted by Beukeboom on Wed, 08/24/2011 - 9:43am.
Wow! Satchmo, the troll is finally removed from NewsBusters. I missed the announcement. It's good news.
"Martin Luther King memorial was made in China"
Submitted by Red Jeep on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:11am.
Thou shalt not make any graven image.
Gotta go to England to get news that the MSM here will ....neglect.
"A tribute to racial co-operation or an insult? Martin Luther King memorial was made in China"
"He is an American icon who will be the first non-U.S. president to be honoured on the National Mall when his memorial is dedicated on Sunday.
But the huge granite tribute to Martin Luther King Jr is raising eyebrows after it was revealed that it was made in China.
The giant 30ft statue is the work of Lei Yixin, a 57-year-old master sculptor from Changsha in Hunan province."
See all the pictures!
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2028844/Martin-Luther-King-Jr-Me...
Good
Submitted by optimist on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:11am.
Then the real fight is in the primaries. Can we please not let the media pick our candidate this time?
I am looking forward to the primaries!
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 9:39pm.
Finally there is some real contrast in the nominees, which is good and bad.
The lefties will ultimately unite behind Ear Leader because they are brainless automatons who will follow whatever their programmers tell them. Perhaps one or two of them will be bold enough to mount a primary challenge, but in the end they have no viable alternatives. They have not bothered to groom any candidates for plan B. They are already brandishing the race card, the combo-pack of anti-everything and Blame Bush version infinity. Dimwit Debbie took ownership of the economy. Fathead Ed shot his mouth off enough to keep the "ignorant jackass" label until doomsday. Nancy Pelosi enjoys the same popularity nationally as H1N1 influenza. Ear Leader jumps ship whenever the going gets tough so he can present another hollow, vague speech of tired platitudes and blueprint for inaction. They also have unemployment, Supreme Court challenge of Obamacare and widening investigation of the gun running operation.
The GOP will need to get its act together and choose a nominee who will not compromise on conservative principles or be unable to present coherent ideas to voters.
Libya fighting
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:34am.
You know, yesterday the way all the news media put it(except Fox News and I'll explain why in a moment), the Libyan rebellion was over and the rebels won. Fox News had John Bolton on there and he correctly predicted what's happening in that the fighting isn't really over. I think Ollie North said some similar things as well plus the mention of the Muslim Bro'Hood.
But no, the fighting is still going on, just as crazy as before. And turns out one or both of his sons might not be captured after all, but who the hell knows, trying to get information about what's going on is chaotic at best.
So here's what I'm hoping and this might sound cruel, but the alternative is worse. I'm hoping that they will keep the fighting going on between Qadaffi and what's left of his military versus the rebels. I'm hoping that the rebels will fight among themselves for the spoils. I hope they lay waste to each other on a large scale that will have casualties on both sides that will take them YEARS to sort out. Some of you might say "why would you want something like this?" Because here's the worse alternative, the Muslim Brotherhood gets its claws in another country and institute Sharia, which is their ultimate desire.
Yeah, Qadaffi wasn't exactly a "friend" to the US, hell, he's a murdered a la Lockerbie and that son of a bitch bomber who should have died is getting Western treatment, but Qadaffi was easily controllable(relatively speaking). A country that's Sharia controlled is automatically an enemy to any country and individual who's not of Islam. It's their way or die and that makes them the worse alternative.
At some point, they are going to glass each other (for those of you in Rio Linda, that means nukes used in deserts, high heat turns sand into glass) and they'll kill each other out of existence. One can hope.
-Jon
The reporting is sort of comical.
Submitted by Red Jeep on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:48am.
There is this one woman reporter I see every so often with an old helmet and a vest that I laugh at. She's breathlessly out in the streets dodging bullets to talk to "fighters" in T-shirts and sandals, like by doing that she will definitely know what's going on...yeah right...and then her network reruns the same footage of guys in sandals or flipflops shooting guns over and over again..........what a bunch...!
Is there a reason
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:54am.
Gallup won't show the crosstabs?
Speaking of polls
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 12:01pm.
This of course would be an unscientific poll, but I'm guessing a lot of people are thinking the same way we are about the tribes of Libya that they are gonna go nuts on each other once Qadaffi is out of the way.
Check out the results.
Fox Poll for Libya
Regardless of the outcome, it doesn't change the fact that Soetoro through NATO engaged in complicity with the terrorists who are a large part of what's going on. Just like he did with them in Egypt and elsewhere.
Congress has failed its duties to impeach this manchild. We're not talking about the War Powers Act anymore, this is aiding and abetting enemies of America.
-Jon
Democrats are on the ropes
Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 12:56pm.
The Democrats are on the ropes, not only Obama, but Congressional Democrats as well. Rasmussen reports that Republicans have a 6 point lead over their Democrat opponents in Congress.
"Republicans now lead by six points on the Generic Congressional Ballot for the week ending Sunday, August 21. " Source
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
And when it is just Sarah Vs Barry?
Submitted by Ashrak on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 1:03pm.
75% to 25% - Sarah. ;)
I might be a bit off - Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 19% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -26
It's official - Griffin actually hires Sharpton.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 1:52pm.
Sharpton will lead a lively and INFORMED discussion of the top headlines, bringing viewers his take on events in his SIGNATURE STYLE.
Informed? Not just no, but
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 5:15pm.
Informed? Not just no, but HELL NO.
Not-So-Sharpton has already proven himself an ignorant buffoon worthy of absolutely no respect.
Earthquake hits DC
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 2:02pm.
Maybe it will make some improvements. Fox reported Holder has been whisked away by motorcade. How does he rate a motorcade?
Felt it here Rick
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 2:20pm.
I thought someone was in the house- like a heavy-foot walking upstairs. Took me a moment, but then I figured it must've been a quake. They're saying 6.0 centered in Mineral, VA; about 150 miles from were I am now. I'm surprised I felt it.
We are gearing up for a
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 2:28pm.
We are gearing up for a strike from Hurricane Irene early Saturday morning. Right now they say it maybe a cat 3. Mandatory evacuations have been order for tourist along the outer banks starting tomorrow at 5:30 AM and residents beginning Thursday. Seem like when we make these preparations nothing ever happens. They are saying it will still be a category 1 when it hits around the Chesapeake Bay area on Sunday so you can get ready for some wind and rain. The Marines at Cherry Point will probably start flying their aircraft out tomorrow. I look for the Navy to take the ships out to sea that are now docked at Norfolk and start to fly the aircraft out of Oceania Thursday.
I figured you'd be in the path Rick
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:36pm.
hopefully it won't amount to as much as they're making it out right now. Ever since Katrina, the media really goes all out on the potential of annual hurricanes. I suggest you have a chat with Blonde though, I saw the other day she was asking for help in diverting this away from Florida; she may be solely responsible for any effects you feel there in NC. ;-)
For us, probably nothing more significant than the thunderstorms we get almost daily around here.
...a lot of prayers go up
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:39pm.
...a lot of prayers go up when Blonde asks for help.. Someone's listening!
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
There's power, vr
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:40pm.
and then there's Blonde power.
Hopefully Irene will veer
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 5:17pm.
Hopefully Irene will veer further east and only skirt the east coast before heading out to colder seas.
Each time the local weather
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 5:44pm.
Each time the local weather has come on since yesterday they have pushed it a bit further east. As of the 5 o'clock news the eye would go over the outer banks. That would put us on the west side where the winds and rain are the strongest. Hurricane forecasting is not an exact science so we don't where it is going until about Thursday. They are already moving high school football games in this area back to Thursday night.
...felt it 450 miles away!
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:14pm.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Hand of God maybe?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 2:28pm.
Let's get religious, what if it's the hand of God that's making itself known and is gonna do a Sodom and Gamorrah on parts of the country?
Watch for the libnuts to blame it on Global Warming/Climate Change though. They used that as an excuse on the tsunami of Indonesia.
-Jon
Fox is reporting the
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 2:35pm.
Fox is reporting the Washington Monument is leaning.
Saw that too
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:04pm.
I dunno, I think it might be just the cops being shook up that everything looks like it's leaning. ;-)
-Jon
Earthquake - Nuclear scare
Submitted by SouthJersey1953 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 2:42pm.
how long will it take the media to realize that the epicenter in Mineral VA is only a few miles from North Anna Nuclear Station....I am expecting doom and glum reports to start as soon as someone realize it (even though there are not reports of any damage to anything around the area......)
According to Drudge North
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:17pm.
According to Drudge North Anna has been shut down.
Felt it here in NYC. Folks I
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 2:50pm.
Felt it here in NYC. Folks I know in Brooklyn and Long Island felt it too.
The earthquake
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:48pm.
is on the Itsnotmy Fault line that runs right through DC. I assume this must run all the way into NYC, Scoob.
(H/T HotAir commentor)
Previously known as the Bush
Submitted by Dan Diego on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 8:30pm.
Previously known as the Bush Fault.
Obama hits new low
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 2:42pm.
Gallop now has him at 38%.
with his nose up in the air...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:49pm.
...he probably thinks they are reporting his score on the back nine!
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
That could have used an alert, V
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:59pm.
.
sorry UpNorth...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 4:35pm.
..send me the cleaning bill, with all the taxes I pay, it'll be a drop in the bucket.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Earthquake actions.....
Submitted by SouthJersey1953 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 2:47pm.
For America's safety, they need to evacuate the White House for the next year and a half.
...and now FNC reports Washington Monument
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:46pm.
...FNC reports Washington Monument may be tilting from quake jolt!
so what else is going to happen on his watch?
Nero: the Emperor who "fiddled while Rome burned"
obama: the man in the Whitehouse "golfing the while the country sank"
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
...state of the Union
Submitted by vrwc13 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:21pm.
all H/T Drudge
...next thing you know DC will get hit by an earthquake and hurricane...wake up calls obama from the real King!
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
CNN chyron: "Earthquake felt in NC, NYC and Martha's Vineyard"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:22pm.
What?
Then they post "stay tuned for breaking news on whether Obama felt it or not." Naturally, he was out with the family (/s) playing golf again.
I didn't feel it here. Mu
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:50pm.
I didn't feel it here. Mu fahter in law was sitting on the porch and said he felt it. My daughter called from Cherry Point and said they had felt it. I heard reports on the scanner from county deputies talking about it.
Polls mean nothing before the General election
Submitted by gopcongress on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 3:54pm.
Polls pitting primary candidates against the general candidate from the other party are meaningless. The problem is that the primaries properly focus on the difference the candidates within the SAME party display, who for the MOST part have greater fundamental differences with the opposite party. In addition, there is a dilution of support for primary candidates that the opposite party candidate is not subject to.
Finally, keep in mind that Reagan was polled during the 1980 GOP primary to losing to Carter 75% to 25% behind some of the other candidates at the time. When he won the primary, he was polled at a significantly lower percentage than Carter until shortly before the election, even with the crap that Carter was overseeing with regard to Iran, the economy, etc.
So polls mean nothing in themselves. What a poll represents is the ability for the democratic PR firm...er, the mainstream press to SHAPE the news based on the "results" of polls. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
"The news and truth are not the same thing." -Walter Lippmann (1889-1974) FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER
Finally, the draught of MV vacation pix @ Mrs O is broken!
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 4:29pm.
"A radiant Mrs. O rocks a new-age bumskirt by Tatters O'Shaughnessy, while the president sports a DOC-issue collarless blue tunic paired with faux piling-pants - topped with a hemp belt worn around the shins."
Commenters allude to both having a "dewy look" - what normal people refer to as "sweaty."
the commenters.....
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 5:11pm.
Just reading those comments were enough to make me sick.
-Jon
Good evening jon
Submitted by cocodrie on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 6:04pm.
Those comments came from The Lighthouse of The Blind.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Some samples
Submitted by Denny Crane on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:25pm.
WARNING.
After all these weeks, she emerges a picture of class! Such simple elegance, yet her fit frame and healthy glow are the best accessories here!!!
Their skin looks so dewy!
She looks GREAT! THE TAN, THE MAKEUP, THE CLOTHES, THE SMILE! A picture speaks a thousand words! Let both the rest and relaxation the need to keep this country moving forward. Every human being deserves a VACATION!
Love you Michele
Everything looks just perfect about you.
I love this man !
We Are The 53%
I'll wait for the comments
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 5:57pm.
I'll wait for the comments from our resident fashion reporter, Blonde. There is nothing though as gawd awful as that hat that Congresscriter Wilson is wearing. I bet she uses that thing as a chamber pot (honey pot) at night.
Forget Blonde, Rick!
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 6:03pm.
I'm trying to establish some street cred here as the conservative Mr. Blackwell, if you don't mind!
*Ahem*
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 6:27pm.
Let me show you how it's done, young Jedi.
Mrs. Won lost big in the style race last night, as she forgot to strap on a patented Klingon Death Belt. Furthermore, Lady M is going to hear it for those SLAVE EARRINGS. They're racist, you know. Oh wait! SHE wore them, so it's not racist...I swear, it's all so confusing.
MO did wear her hair tightly pulled back in her "nub" look, which helps keep the scowl pulled back and off her face. Plastic smiles all around for The Wons as they try to appear to be having such great fun at our expense.
By the bye, rumor has it her recent disappearance has something to do with a mysterious plastic surgery procedure or two. Will the media give her the Bristol Palin treatment? Inquiring minds want to know.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Not bad, Mr. B...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 6:28pm.
Perhaps a mention of the smartly accented pearl white tie line used to keep the increasingly meandering 'Joe the Veep' in tow?
Jer
It scares me that Obama is numerically still even in this thing
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 4:57pm.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
If the election were held today....
Submitted by Model850 on Tue, 08/23/2011 - 5:14pm.
it would be about fifteen months too soon.
That pretty much sums up the value of polls conducted this far out.