Open Thread: Paul Ryan 2012?
Over the past few days the chatter about a potential presidential run by Rep. Paul Ryan has really heated up. Over at the Huffington Post, Jon Ward reports that RNC chair Reince Preibus - like Ryan, a Wisconsin native - might be put in an akward position give his closeness to the Budget Committee chairman, and has thus been testing the waters of a potential Ryan candidacy. At Reuters, James Pethokoukis offers some reasons that a Ryan candidacy may be in the cards:
1) Since Democrats are determined to hang Ryan’s bold “Path to Prosperity” budget plan around the neck of every Republican running for office in 2012, why not have its author and best salesman advocate for it directly vs. President Obama?
2) Ryan — to borrow a favorite Simon Cowell phrase — is “current.” He’s smack in the middle of budgetary and ideological clash between Democrats and Republicans and would immediately energize conservative and Tea Party activists.
3) Ryan is a strong national defense conservative, as well as pro-life.
4) Ryan is from a battleground state, Wisconsin, and a battleground region, the upper Great Lakes.
5) Ryan’s youth, vigor, likability and Jimmy Stewart persona — well, a wonky version of George Bailey — would be an immediate shorthand signal to voters that he’s a different kind of Republican. He also has a compelling life story to tell.
6) Obama suddenly and unexpectedly to Washington insiders looks beatable — by the right candidate.
What do you think? Would Ryan be a good choice? Is he viable? Electable? Would you support him?
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Right now I'm more concerned
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:34am.
Right now I'm more concerned about 429,000 new unemployment applicants last week and a 1stQ GDP of 1.8%.
At what point does a reasonable person conclude that Keynesian economics is an absolute failure? We should be able to win with Mickey Mouse heading up the 2012 ticket; nothing could be worse that Obama and Geithner and Bernanke; except another four years of O, G, and B.
The BC release yesterday was obviously designed to temper the economic news.
Great question. BK
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:47am.
"At what point does a reasonable person conclude that Keynesian economics is an absolute failure? "
One would think that is was in the 1980's at the latest when Reagan and crew absolutely proved that it was complete and utter Hooey. Or even in the 1990's when Clinton and the republican majority in Congress gave us a (mostly) balanced budget with a (paper) surplus.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Yes to all questions.
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:44am.
And "Oh hell yeah" to the last one.
I picked Paul Ryan as my dark horse about eighteen months ago. I think Paul Ryan/Allen West would be unbeatable.
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A bit off topic
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 10:15am.
Can I assume you will be watching the wedding and reporting on the fashion issues? You know what the Queen will look like it is the others I want to see and those gawd awlful hats!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USA today is reporting that sweater vest is going to be fired at OSU and replaced by Urbie. What are your boards telling you?
Looks like the Panthers are going to pick the Laptop. I am going to become a Falcons fan if they do.
Yes Rick, we're having a pajama hen party
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:32am.
I don't know as I'll be "blogging the fashions" though...perhaps I'll add a bit later. BTW, the hats are mandatory.
Heard the rumors swirl that The Sweater is going to be gone, NCAA has sent a telegram, strong letter to follow.
Gator Boards are split 50/50 as to whether Urban does it or not. Some say, no way, others are "for sure". I don't think so...who wants to walk into that buzz saw? Besides, he's got a nice gig w/ ESPN, a gorgeous lake house in Florida, plus his kids aren't going to magically become adults (part of his reasoning to give it up). Actually, I don't care either way, he deserves any and all rewards, he did enough at UF to make him a legend even bigger than the Old Ball Coach.
Cam is too lazy to succeed at the next level....compare and contrast (go watch the Tebow ESPN trailer)....I'm predicting big bust.
Prayers to our fellow Bammers....I hear the campus wasn't too badly mauled, but lots of kids live off campus. And waiting to hear from Dave as well. Bad news, these tornados. I've started the countdown clock until we hear from Al Bore that it's all Globull Warming.
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Goodness, Blonde
Submitted by GW on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:46am.
I hope that if West runs for POTUS or VPOTUS we in FL-22 won't be left with Lois Frankel as our Congress-person. I had enough of her as my mayor.
If we lose West in FL-22
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:01pm.
We'll find someone else....maybe you and me!
Lois Frankel is toast. As is Rob Wexler. Old, trashed, and smelly.
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Yes to our friends in Bama,
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:47am.
Yes to our friends in Bama, TN, GA anb MS. There is a tornado watch out here until 4 today. This area got roughed up pretty bad the other week. We don't need more, They are still trying to find housing for the Marines and sailors that lived off base and lost their houses. People around here have not been sitting on their butts whining about gubmint help. They are working to clean up
As for the hats they might be mandatory but they are still ugly.
Yes J,
Submitted by Rukus on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:25pm.
Tuscaloosa got whomped pretty bad. AL has lots of deaths and it will probably grow.
AL -162, MS - 32, GA - 13, TN - 32, VA - 8 and KY - 1.
Very sad. And if if that asshole Gore tries to politicize this I'm gonna loose it. Hopefully things will start to calm down now. Good luck to you too Rick. Hang in there! Prayers to all.
Edit: Sadly to update totals in AL and TN. : ( Also updated link.
Gary
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:17pm.
i just got out of the hospital so I haven't paid a lot of attention to the news. When they woke me at 4 this morning to change my IV I turned to Fox but they were broadcasting from Sky News about the wedding. I didn't realize it was that bad in Bama and TN. That is awful. We had 22 people killed here on the 16th. That is bad enough.
You know it takes a low life bastard to steal from a church. It takes a lower life bastard to steal from tornado victims. Here is Craven County 3 guys showed up at this house and told the neighbors they were there to help. They loaded up the man's washer dryer and refrigerator, about the only things he had left and took off with them. I say shot the bastards when they find them. No judge or jury. I don't think you'd find a jury in this area that would prosecute the shooter.
One of my respitory therapist was from Green County where the tornadoes hit. She was telling me her house was skipped, her neighbors houses were destroyed. She didn't have as much a tree limb down in her yard. These tornadoes are weird.
I'd like to see him, Sarah
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:53am.
I'd like to see him, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Bachman all announce at the same time. It would cause the MSM all the heads to explode over at MESSNBC. They don't have enough time to deal with that and all the other issues they constantly harp on the right about.
To add one more thing. We know that Dear leader and Aunt Esther will not be going to the royal wedding. They weren't invited. All those heads of state and we are left out. At least William and Kate won't be getting an MP3 player with Hip hop on it. Shouldn't haven't sent back the bust of Winston Churchill. I
Courtesy of The Blaze
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:49am.
From Biden's home town. (If you're easily angered, you may not want to click this link.)
Paul Ryan~YES
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:56am.
I'd love to see him get in the race.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
BK:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:58am.
Remember this one, also courtesy of a Pennsy union?
idiocy
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:07am.
Idiocy seems to know no bounds.
I wish it did.
-Jon
"A Return To Just Being Normal"
Submitted by Chris Norman on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 10:31am.
At any rate, It would be nice to have a competent, normal, non-dramatic, mature person in office - surrounded by a competent, normal, mature staff. The media would go after him every second of every day, but that would be part of the "normal" thing. Just think, no "beer summits", no faux Greek temple columns, no groveling in front of the world, no fringe radical ex-hippie "czars", no children being taught to sing presidential praises....The last three years (including the campaign) has been like an episode of the Twilight Zone.
Governor Veto
Submitted by mom_rox on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:24am.
While Ryan and/or West are very appealing, at this point, among the declared and "in the exploratory phase" candidates, I'm leaning toward Gary Johnson and Herman Cain - both who receive very few mentions among the "Beltway talking heads".
I have some concerns
Submitted by BikerHoop on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 6:38pm.
... about Gary Johnson and Herman Cain. Johnson supports gay marriage and the repeal of DADT. Cain served on the board of the Fed in Kansas City and has said that the Fed does enough of its own audits that it doesn't need to be audited.
I understand the odds are against us getting the "perfect" candidate, but I'm not so sure I can live with these issues.
Yes, yes, yes, yes...
Submitted by habbyguy on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:09am.
When Ryan first popped up on the national radar, I said to myself "there's a future POTUS".
I agree that Ryan and West would be an unbeatable combination - both young (in a political sense.. ;-) ), articulate and bold. He's as close to a modern Reagan as we've seen.
Obama would wither in a one-on-one debate with Ryan. He, more than any of the other GOP contenders, can articulate a clear and believable path back to fiscal sanity... just what the US needs. Ryan would lose the votes of the 12 or 13 welfare "professionals" who might otherwise vote for the GOP candidate, of course... ;-)
Agree
Submitted by MominMD on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:47pm.
The only other Republican capable of wiping the floor with Obama during a debate is Newt Gingrich, and he has too much baggage. AND he's flipped flopped on lots of issues. Ryan only has one wife, and he says what he means. Obama would be flummoxed.
Blonde...
Submitted by Djinn1975 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:15am.
Ryan and West, you beat me to it. I've been wishing for Cain and West, but I like Ryan/West better. I think that victory margin would challenge Reagan's '84.
Ryan/West
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:59am.
The upside to this ticket is amazing. As several here have said, young, articulate, and hard core in sticking to their vision.
Paul Ryan, as habby said, would absolutely tie Obama in knots in a debate. Speaking of debates, can you imagine Biden vs. West? Poor BiteMe would melt like the Wicked Witch of the West.
Ryan, as young as he is, is a fairly established politician, well aware of the ways of the Beltway. I think the main reason Allen is hesitant to even take a try at the top of the ticket is that he knows he is politically inexperienced, having only participated in two actual elections, and having been a sitting Congressman for a hundred plus days. He knows what he doesn't know. But as a Vice President, particularly with an eight year term, he would absolutely be THE NEW REAGAN in 2020.
When Allen was first elected, he wrote constituent letters every week (I miss them, but I know how busy he has become). It was obvious to me he wrote them himself, he has a very distinct style. His first days in DC were filled with policy forums and whatnot, and Paul Ryan played a huge part in the education of the freshman class. From all that I have read, he and Ryan get along very well. I'll hit the next Town Hall and submit the question (I guess they're now asking participants to submit questions and answer a random sampling, and staff is following up on questions they can't get to....organized DNC idiots have ruined the Q&A format via open mic).
Only time will tell, Ryan is also reluctant at this point due to the tender age of his children, but I think the pressure is being brought to bear....and apparently he is beginning to give it some serious thought. All I have to say is "winner winner chicken dinner".
The other thing "we" must do is to work diligently to gain a majority in the Senate. Bill Nelson must go down in defeat. There are two pretty attractive guys (Jeb would be a shoe in)....Adam Hasner and Dr. Mike McAlister. And I'd love to see little Debs lose her seat, too. Although she's just one of 435, she's annoying and if we can elect Allen West from one half of democrat Broward, we should be able to unseat little Debs as well. (Still waiting for the MsM to report on the Wasserman Crime Family).
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Here's a "what if" scenario.
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:10pm.
Here's a "what if" scenario. Keep Ryan and West {I find them sincere and deeply rooted in their beliefs too} where they are, let Obama win, and do all the change from inside congress, since they are who REALLY run things!!!
It *would* be awesome to watch it play out if they did run though, Palin wiped the floor with Biden {as did Angle with Reid} so I'd expect no less from these two!!!
Tell me why I'm wrong to think the Pres. is just a figurehead - what they did to Clinton made him, so I do see the downside {people associate congress' victories as his} but I don't want to play politics - this **** is just too real!!!
Ronald Reagan
two words - "Supreme Court"
Submitted by mom_rox on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:16pm.
nObama in 2012. plus executive orders, DOJ, Homeland Security, DOD, EPA, etc., not to mention the frivolous AF1 flights.
Since the roots of all the
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 4:32pm.
Since the roots of all the problems come from what congress does, doesn't it make sense to pull them? Congress can do that - the Justices interpret what they show with their intent {congress'} so cut out the roots, the justices will HAVE to go to the Constitution, no?
Ronald Reagan
ExxonMobil 1Q Profit $10.65B
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:20am.
The lamenting and gnashing of teeth has already begun. A great American company, owned mainly by Americans who own mutual funds and retirement plans has just announced that they made a ton of money. But is this a good thing? Because the news blather is obfuscated by so many communists, and socialists, and populists, ExxonMobil feels the need to point out that it's making less then 3% of it's earnings from U.S. gasoline sales! On top of that, they are making only 2 cents per gallon on their sales of gasoline.
But none of the above matters. Let the trashing begin.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Two cents per gallon profit
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:06pm.
And how much per gallon are the feds skimming, at the mere cost of doing some paperwork?
That's the story that needs to be told.
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per prospect, per barrel and per gallon
Submitted by mom_rox on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:27pm.
I don't have the numbers, but the feds and the states receive $$ during exploration and drilling (leasing payments/permits), production (royalty per barrel at the wellhead) and refining/sales (per gallon).
I just heard it on ABC news
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:04pm.
I just heard it on ABC news on the radio. I figure by the end of the day it will be all over the networks. In a way I am glad they are so consumed with "The Wedding"
Feds get 18 or so cents, NC gets about 28 cents. Highest taxed gas in the South. Reps in the GA want to drop it down but the Obama hind tit sucking governor says she would veto it. The tax is based on the wholesale price of a gallon. I look for it to hit maybe 30-34 cents when they raise it in July. It goes up each quarter.
profitting from profits
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:06pm.
Every time I hear about an oil company reporting its profits, I keep wanting to hear how much the government took from them beforehand.
-Jon
Tornado
Submitted by Gothampc on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:10pm.
Just a quick question: has Obama made a statement about the devastation in the South?
Not that I've heard or seen, and....
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:20pm.
I don't expect one anytime soon...I also don't expect him to visit the area either. All the states involved are deep red, Southern states which means "The One" isn't the least bit interested in them or in most of the people who live there. The only thing that may move him to speak or maybe to visit the area is that many of the people affected are African American, and their votes are crucial to him in '12...We'll see.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Katrina
Submitted by Gothampc on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:30pm.
I'm interested in how the MSM handles covering Obama on this versus how they handled Katrina and Bush.
Fox just announced that Obama...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:49pm.
will be going to Alabama tomorrow...What do you know....Well, I have to say I'm somewhat surprised that he's going down there so quickly, but as I said earlier, and I may be being very cynical here, I'm guessing that part or most of the reason is because so many of those affected are African American, and their votes are essential to him...Just a guess, but it's a distinct possibility.
As for how the MSM handles this as far as Obama is concerned, they will be slavishly fawning as usual, going on and on about how much he "cares" for those affected, and how "rapidly" and how "hard" he is working to help those involved in this tragedy....blah, blah, blah.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Oh for God's sake......
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:22pm.
Look at this headline, talk about twisted priorities.....
Golf Course Menaced by Tornado(notify the president)
I don't know if this was done in satire or what, but those people reporting it have an odd sense of concern. I wonder if the Chairman is going to say anything about this, if he does, it'll be more proof that he doesn't care. If he's smart(questionable these days), he'll keep his yap shut.
-Jon
I hope that this was meant to be satirical...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:36pm.
If it wasn't, then as you said, someone has a real twisted sense of what's important...After what happened to those in the South yesterday, with already approx. 200 dead in the region from these awful tornadoes, some twit actually took the time, seriously of not, to mention some damage to the golf course where Obama plays??? Idiots.
And if "The One" does mention this, then he's even more stoopid and clueless than I already believe him to be.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Alabama because of Florida
Submitted by deadeyedan on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 12:00am.
It's possible, PS, that Obama may only have to make a slight detour since he's supposed to go to see the shuttle Endeavour launch at the Cape late tomorrow afternoon. A twist of irony there, since he's trashing the manned space program. For many of us who have watched the Demmies mangle Jack Kennedy's vision over the decades (Proxmire, D., Wisconsin; Mondale, D., Minnesota; Church, D., Idaho; Frank, D., Massachusetts, to name a few) this is hardly a surprise. Now NASA is only for Muslims and to monitor "global warming"; we no longer have a culture that can handle it - no longer can we have the free-spirited free-wheeling "can do" attitude that landed men on the moon.
The storm situation would have been a lot worse if not for space program hardware (especially weather satellites) and digital technology borne of it for the up-to-the-minute radar displays and amazingly fast computer modeling that enabled forecasters to nail the situation more than 48 hours in advance so that community officials could be prepared.
Last century America landed 12 men on the moon. Want to know why, even though we're 10% of the way through the twenty-first century, no women have ever landed on the moon? It's because the National Organization of Women keeps urging people to vote for the Demmies!
Our hearts and prayers reach out to the storm victims.
Climategate - the revelation that the pseudo-scientists of East Anglia University know just as much about the atmosphere as Harvard law professors know about the Constitution - deadeyedan
He is scheduled to make a
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:59pm.
He is scheduled to make a statement in a bit. He is going to Bama on his way to Florida for the launch of the space shuttle. I guess Bama has a dem for governor.
I have been telling everybody he is lazy. Going to Florida is just another sign of that laziness. He will not stay in DC and work and if he stays in DC he is playing golf.
No rick...Governor Bentley is a Republican.
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 10:30pm.
Both senators are Republicans. Alabama is overwhelmingly Republican. Obama got stomped by McCain in 2008 and will be stomped again by whoever the GOP runs against him in 2012. Most of the area of northern Alabama which took the brunt of the storm and tornado damage yesterday is predominantly white.
Jer
Blonde
Submitted by Djinn1975 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:14pm.
Agreed on the Senate, unfortunately I currently reside in a dead blue state, CO, with 2014 the next opportunity here, one just got in. However, I may be moving back to my dead red state, ID, shortly. That should be an aggressive 'target' of the GOP, Dem Senate elections. I think West 'cutting his teeth' with Ryan's political/financial saavy complimented with West's solid military background would create a GOP steamroller for over a decade and a half, and would be just the wake up call/kick in the shorts the pansy asses of this country need.
I hear you Djinn
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:41pm.
But don't lose hope. Broward/Palm Beach (FL-22) is about as deep, dark blue as they come. But we managed to get Allen West over the top, so don't lose hope. It took two tries, but oh what a difference two years can make. The mood of the country has changed, and anything is possible. Don't lose faith.
I agree....the combo of Ryan/West is a STEAMROLLER. Now we need to start to press...and if Ryan announces an exploratory committee, we need to open our wallets, fast!
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Yes, I think that Ryan is...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:41pm.
a good choice, he's viable, and I would support him, but I'm not so sure he's electable right now.
First off, most Americans, outside of those who really follow politics and what's going on in the country (which sad to say, isn't a huge number of Americans), really know who Ryan is or what he believes...Second, he's quite young (41), and many people may see his age as a problem...Obama was 47 when he was elected, and the age issue came up with him, and Ryan is younger. Third, even though Ryan has been in the Congress since '99, it hasn't been until the last year or two that his name has become known at all on a national scale, and even with that, he remains unknown to many Americans. Granted, who had really heard of Obama before 2007, so anything is possible, but if Ryan were to run, he would have an uphill battle initially just becoming widely known to most Americans. I'm not saying a Ryan 2012 candidacy isn't a good idea, but he would have some obstacles to overcome, and it may not be his time quite yet.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
I'm not so sure that works against him, Prairie
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:46pm.
I think it makes him rather "Kennedyesque"....and heaven knows, there are a lot of very shallow voters out there....who vote on looks only (I really wish Steve Forbes had had the looks to match his brains and bucks, alas).
Paul Ryan has those great black Irish looks going for him, with the dark hair and blue eyes, and he's smarter than a whip. And articulate. IOW, a winning combination...particularly if we can hook him up with Allen West.
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I hope you're right, Blonde....
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:06pm.
I'm still not sure, but you are correct that many voters are somewhat shallow, and rather than acting on knowledge and info about a candidate, they tend to go with rhetoric and looks...Case in point, Barack Obama.
As you said, Paul Ryan, with his black Irish good looks (he actually reminds me quite a bit of my father-in-law, who was also black Irish with the dark hair and piercing blue eyes), does fit the bill in the appearance category, is smart as a whip and is very well spoken, and I love his feistiness. Given the apparent void, at least right now, that we have in the Repub field, and the fact that none of the "usual suspects" are particularly thrilling to the electorate, especially the Repub electorate, Ryan just might have a real opportunity here...My concern is that the independents may not find him so compelling, for some of the reasons that I mentioned earlier. Only time will tell, but the buzz about Ryan is most definitely increasing...We'll see.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
The Indies right now....
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:30pm.
....seem to be more concerned with fiscal sanity than anything else. Many Tea Partiers are independent voters. Also, some indies are conservatives who are fed up with the RINOs, and have given up their Republican status.
Which plays right into Ryan's hand.
All we can do now is keep making noise, and the second he announces an exploratory committee, throw cash his way and hit every internet poll we can find.
Those of you who are in his district, go to his Town Halls and tell him what kind of support he has out here amongst the community of conservatives. Write him as well.
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Agreed...Obama's election proved...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:32pm.
that the independents are willing to go with a fairly unknown and unproven candidate (although I don't believe that Ryan is unproven). That said, the fact that the indie's did go with Obama in '08 and he turned out to be such a disaster, may work against Ryan, who may also be seen as young and somewhat inexperienced. This time, some of the indie's may be looking for a more established candidate with a track record, who is a known quantity, rather than gamble, again, on an unknown quantity. As you said though, the indie's this time around include a number of disenchanted Repubs and Tea Partiers, who were not so much a part of the indie equation in '08, and that fact may make a real difference on how they vote...Who knows.
This is all a matter of trying to read the tea leaves right now, as no one on the Repub side has formally announced. If however Ryan does decide to run, it will be very, very interesting to see who supports him and why.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Another proof
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:41pm.
It also proved that those same indies did not learn or know their history of other despots that the Chairman emulated, the warning signs were there for all to see. If they had known history like the majority of us on here, we would not be where we are today.
The ones that knew their history KNEW it would get bad from the time he announced his candidacy. I'm still hearing from friends who voted for him who tell me "you were right."
So while those indies may have learned the hard way(and I really hope they did), the rest of us watched history repeat itself.
-Jon
Right you are...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:00pm.
Far too many Americans, be they Democrats, some misguided Repubs, and definitely the majority of the indie's, did not do their own homework, believed the propaganda that they were sold, and drank the Kool-Aid in '08. If there is anything good that will hopefully come out of Obama's election, it may be that people have learned a very hard and costly lesson, and will not make the same mistake again. That is why it is so important that the Repubs offer up a superlative candidate as an alternative to Obama. Even as bad as Obama has been, without a good alternative to vote for, many may feel that it is better to go with the devil you know versus the devil you don't, and these people may well vote to re-elect him.
Like you, I know of a number of people who voted for Obama, but have since said they regretted it, and knowing that I didn't vote for him, and warned them against voting for him, told me that I was right...I just hope that there are enough of these types out there who appear to have learned their lesson, and won't repeat their mistake in '12.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
IMHO those that voted Obama
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:38pm.
IMHO those that voted Obama in and learned they got burned just won't vote in '12 at all. The rest will vote for him again. The energy is coming from the right this time, so it's MORE important to select a strong C than to pander.
Ronald Reagan
Possibly...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:50pm.
Some of those who voted for Obama in '08 and who regret it, will just stay home, but I think most will show up and vote, one way or the other. I do agree that the energy, as least for now, is coming from the right, and pandering is the last thing we should do...We should stand our ground and nominate a strong, solid conservative as a clear alternative to Obama.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
PrairieSky - I had in mind a
Submitted by amyshulk on Sun, 05/01/2011 - 1:46am.
PrairieSky - I had in mind a 20 something 1st time voter who was raised on "IDOL" and the like to confuse personality with competence and who would sit it out in 2012 and may *never* feel confidant enough to ever vote again.
The R's & indys will *hopefully* realize what is truly in the best interests of the country as a whole, and if they can't vote against Obama for the R's nominee, they will sit it out.
That's also why I'm not too worried about a 3d party run {Trump} those that couldn't bring themselves to vote for Obama, surely won't fall for the same trick twice, right???
Ronald Reagan
Prairie/Blonde~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:42pm.
Hey, who would think shallow could actually work FOR us this go-around? ;)
I get what you're saying about the age thing, Prairie. For me, I think Ryan has a depth of maturity and wisdom about him -- and I like the feisty part as well. I think 41 is old enough, if the person is grounded and has had the right kind of experiences and is a special (for lack of a better term) person. In one way, nothing makes up for years, in terms of insight that can come -- but in another way, extra years for some seems to be of no benefit at all! Another factor to consider...I think Ryan's father died when he was 16, which can also have an impact, in terms of being called to an earlier age of responsibility.
As far as name ID, I do think they could accomplish that in fairly quick order. I like Ryan/West, and I also like Ryan/Rubio, but I understand the last combo may be pushing it too much, in regard to timing.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
I don't know about Rubio, GG
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:58pm.
There's something that strikes me a little "squishy" about him, which I can't quite put my finger on. I hope I'm wrong, but time will tell. He is a very accomplished legislator, having been the Speaker of the Florida House, but going from a state House to the national Senate (and being in the minority) is a very big leap indeed. I suspect Marco's playing a long game...and if we manage to take the Senate in 2012, he'll be a power player, and will likely be handed some plum leadership and committee assignments. It will be interesting to see what he does, but I suspect he's more into being in the legislature than in an executive role, as he could have easily run for Governor instead of against an overwhelmingly popular (at the time, 70%) Charlie Crist for Senator.
He's also a Jeb Bush protege, and while Jeb is far more conservative than either his brother or father, he's still not a hard core conservative. (I wish he'd run for Florida Senate, though, against Bill Nelson).
As I said, I have no specific rap against Rubio...just an odd twitch in the back of my head.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Blonde~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:01pm.
And sometimes you really have to go with your gut. I do agree that we could use some more time with Rubio.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Blonde...Me too...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:12pm.
I have the same feeling about Rubio...I don't really know why. Like you, I can't quite put my finger on it. He gives me the impression that he's a real political "player" with his eyes on the prize, as it were, and that gives me pause from the standpoint of what motivates him...Is it a deeply held desire to serve the country and its people, or is it to serve himself? I don't know yet, and it really is too early to tell right now...He hasn't been around long enough to know for sure...Time will tell.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
GG...Agreed...If Ryan were to run....
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:05pm.
I would much rather that people vote for him based on his character, beliefs and abilities, not on his appearance and likeability, but people are people, and some are shallow.
As for Ryan's young age, I personally don't have an issue with it...My point was that others in the electorate may, and might not vote for him as a result. Many believe that age brings experience, which is usually true, and that it also brings wisdom, which is unfortunately too often NOT true.
As you said, the name ID issue can and could be remedied fairly quickly, as Obama's candidacy showed us. Right now, I really have no idea who will end up running on the Repub side, or who will wind up with the nomination. But, whoever it is, I just hope and pray that we don't end up with another McCain...Obama may be weak now, but a lot can change in 18 months, and people often have very short memories and attention spans, and the Repubs have to put up a strong, conservative, electable alternative to the train wreck that is Obama.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Prairie~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:20pm.
I hear ya. I don't want a McCain either. In some ways, many are just really wanting to check the "anyone other than Obama" box, which is totally understandable. I honestly feel that way to some extent as well! But we have to have a greater wisdom. This is actually a really good chance for us to make a change in America that would be WONDERFUL...a real opportunity (that we may never get again) to head us back in the right direction. As a parent, that is what I want for my son. I am holding out hope for that.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG...Exactly...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:04pm.
This election could truly be transformative, but in a good way, not in the way that Obama meant by transformative. I also agree though, that many may be looking to vote for the "anybody but Obama" candidate, which as you said is understandable, but may not be particularly wise. I agree that we the people must have a greater wisdom, and a greater vision, in this next election. This reminds me very much of the 1980 election cycle with Reagan and Carter...I was 19, and it was the first presidential election that I was old enough to vote in. That was such an exciting time...The people then saw the precipice that we were standing upon, and had the wisdom and the vision to vote for Reagan, and transformative, and good, change came as a result of that election. I hope that we can and will do that again.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
agree with the ladies*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 5:45pm.
Americans are spoiled and self absorbed. We must get as many voters out in 2012 that we can force off their cans. These stats show just how uninvolved Americans are in our elections. The chance to vote for a black man drew the largest voter turnout since 1908.
Then you look at these people. They stand in line for hours, fearful of suicide bombers, but still have the courage to vote. No problem showing ID's or even being fingerprinted for their ballots. They are grateful and respectful of the gift of democracy.
Here Americans are lazy, shallow, misinformed because they are spoiled and take this democracy for granted. Kinda like an entitlement.
Rather than protesting, threatening congressmen, committing acts of violence, show some patriotic love for this country and GET OUT TO VOTE!!! 2012 vote will make or break this country.
I completely agree...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:08pm.
And as much as I hope that as many Americans as possible turn out to vote in this next election, I hope even more that those who do turn out are intelligent, logical and most importantly, informed of the facts about the candidates.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Let's take a different tack...
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 12:50pm.
As to the question of Paul Ryan in 2012 … Yes!
As for some of the other names being bandied about here at NB (Cain, West, Bachmann, Christie, etc.) also a YES!
However, IMHO, it is time to take a different tack regarding the upcoming primaries. My suggestion is for a campaign that does not urge conservative stalwarts to run… But, one that urges the RINO’s or ‘politically connected at the hip to the RNC’ … NOT to run.
A large field of RINO’s with a few real conservatives thrown in will dilute the message of those few Constitutionalist and strong leaders who are in the game to return our Nation to its greatness.
I urge the following NOT to RUN and cease their efforts to seek the Presidency:
Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Ron Paul (oh I can hear the screams now), and Rick Santorum.
Just my two-cents,
- Grump :o)
You forgot Huckabee in the
Submitted by talkradio55 on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 12:52am.
You forgot Huckabee in the list of people to not run.
Blonde and Grump
Submitted by Djinn1975 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:08pm.
You stole my line again, I was going to echo the appeal of Kennedy that Ryan would bring. Charm, charisma, brains, passion. I'm very hopeful for the GOP to take over the Senate, White House, and gain more House seats. Americans are growing up and growing tired of fighting to make sense of the liberal propaganda that we've had pounded into us. It's refreshing to see all the 'old school' young people emerging, a tribute to all those who never left and kept pounding conservatism. My new wife is currently undergoing a breathtaking transition that was just waiting to burst forth, with some occasional nudging. :D
Grumpy: You just revealed the key to 2012. It's the reason 2008 happened. What we don't want is another McCain. Just think of it, McCain got his ass handed to him by BHO, Romney got his ass handed to him by McCain. GOP is considering him, why, exactly? We need to galvanize the GOP with a true, Constitutional, conservative, red-blooded American, I think that Ryan and West fit to a t.
Djinn: Thanks for the kind comments.
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:35pm.
At this point, I'm willing to consider any (or all) persons who have lived, governed as, or built profitable businesses using conservative principles... as opposed to just using conservative-cred as a negotiating tool.
The Ryan/West ticket sounds appealing... but I think Herman Cain's business acumen would be more complimentary to the ticket. IMHO, the position of VP is really that of presiding over the Senate – For that I don’t think we need someone with military experience so much as one who has had to set realistic goals in the less than disciplined or formally structured civilian world. (Congressman West would, however, be my choice for Secretary of Defense.)
- Grump :o)
Grumpy
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:02pm.
I didn't save them, but when LTC West first arrived on the scene in DC, he was sending weekly updates as to his activities.
One of the things he said at the time struck me as unusual....he'd never met any of the "senior leadership" within the Pentagon until he went to DC. He was, after all, a fairly junior field grade officer, and a member of the warrior class as opposed to the political class w/in the military. So it was very interesting to hear his reaction to actually meeting some of the gentlemen who inhabit the rarified air w/in the Pentagon. I'd love to see Allen West as SecDef....he'd not have much tolerance for the political class, which would indeed be a good thing.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Blonde - "Warrior Class?"
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:35pm.
Being retired Navy (in an administrative specialy) who has dealt with some in 'the rarified air'... I guess that leaves me out! LOL!
Yeah, I think Congressman West would be an excellent SECDEF. I would also like to see AZ's own "Sheriff Joe" as the boss of Homeland Security... but I don't think he would have much patience for the D.C. air, so wouldn't take the job even if offered.
- Grump :o)
Sheriff Joe replacing Big Sis
Submitted by mom_rox on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:11pm.
Grumpy, that's beautiful. I love it.
Good point, but
Submitted by BikerHoop on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 7:21pm.
You must also consider that West was a Lt Col in the Army. As such he was also a Commander and being in that position required him to be involved with budgets and the other 'business aspects' of running a military unit. From first-hand experience, I can assure you that many of those skills carry over quite well into the civilian world. Granted, the civilian world is not as structured and/or disciplined, but military experience teaches you how to not only deal with that, but also rectify it.
It appears that Mike Huckabee is OUT! So reports
Submitted by Rush Fan on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:52pm.
John Hayward at Human Events
Paul Ryan is a winner, and will be an excellent candidate for the presidency. But not in 2012. Ryan should, and will, focus on our almost unsurmountable debt. With his excellent communication skills, Ryan will be the one to effectively explain, so even the liberal media understands it, how this debt will impact our lives.
Thank God.
Submitted by Roger the Shrubber on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:31pm.
Thank God.
No Huckabee in 2012?? This is very interesting...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:30pm.
And if true, I'm glad...I'm not a huge fan of Huckabee as a presidential candidate. It appears though that the polls mentioned do show some real support for him, so who knows where this will go.
That said, I have to say that I wouldn't blame Huckabee for wanting to move to and stay in the Fort Walton Beach area (which is actually in Okaloosa county, not Walton county as the article states...Walton county is right next door, to the east, to Okaloosa county). Fort Walton Beach is my hometown, and it is a beautiful area...The beaches are beyond gorgeous...Sand as white as sugar and turquoise-blue/emerald green waters...Absolutely stunning.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Ft. Walton Beach
Submitted by Rukus on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 4:45pm.
Beautiful is an understatement. I grew up in Fairhope, AL. and spent a lot of time during the summer on that sugar white sand and clear blue water. Gulf Shores is much the same but is over crowded with condo's since Fredrick cleared it out in '79. It's been a while since I've been to Ft. Walton Beach, sure do miss it.
Beautiful it is...Gulf Shores has gotten quite crowded...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 5:13pm.
over the years...And boy do I remember Frederick! The house I lived in at the time had a big ol pine tree in our backyard which was very, very tall, and we spent much of that storm watching that tree sway back and forth, back and forth, praying that it wouldn't come crashing down on our house!! Yikes!
I know Fairhope! It's been a number of years since I've been there, but I remember it. I live in North Dakota right now, but we go home as often as we can...I love that area so much (the whole South, really), and I especially miss it in the spring...I miss all the azaleas blooming and the beautiful spring days...The beaches there are breathtaking...I get soo homesick sometimes. I hope you get a chance to get down there again sometime. Hopefully this whole area will have a good summer this year after the oil spill last year...The businesses sure could use it.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Last trip
Submitted by Rukus on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 7:18pm.
I made to that neck of the woods (beach's?) was years ago. Went to Destin (Big Kahuna's) and had a blast all day long. Couldn't go near a steak house for a week afterwards for fear they would mistake me for a lobster! Good times. I miss Fairhope too but can visit anytime. I'm in Ocean Springs now, very close to the Gulf. Sadly, the Gulf here is more like Mobile Bay, brown and muddy. I live about a mile from this, which is now this. We've come a long way. Hope you get to get back down here to God's country soon. : )
Destin...A little piece of heaven, right here on earth...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 8:42pm.
Although, it has changed a lot from when I first moved to the area back in the '70's...Back then, it was a sleepy little fishing village and a wide spot in the road between Fort Walton and Panama City. Now, it has grown up so much, and like Gulf Shores, it has a bunch of condos now, and has really become a huge tourist destination, but it still is a lovely little town, and the beaches, as always, are beautiful. Big Kahuna's is still a big draw, and is usually packed during the summer.
I lived in Biloxi for a year, from 1973-1974, when my dad was stationed at Keesler AFB, so I'm familiar with Ocean Springs, too. I remember the beaches there pretty well, and though they were pretty, they are not like the beaches in the Pensacola/Ft. Walton/Destin area(s). I'm so sorry that you guys over there were so devastated by Katrina...That was so awful, it was heartbreaking and just beyond words. As bad as Camille was in '69, Katrina was worse. I am glad though that things are on the mend there, as your pictures show. Some things will never be the same for many, to be sure, but as you said, you've come a long way. And you can bet that we will definitely be down that way as soon and as often as we can...Maybe this summer...Not sure yet about our travel/vacation plans, but I'm hoping we'll make it down that way...I've gotta sit on the beach and feel the sand between my toes! LOL! ;-D
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Ever do the wine festival?
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:55pm.
I was there last year with my wife and some friends. We didn't pony up the $90 per person to spit wine in the buckets, though. I had a great idea that they could offer a bargain price for the contents of the buckets, but no one was interested in pursuing my idea.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Unfortunately, no...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Fri, 04/29/2011 - 12:15am.
We never seem to be there during the festival...My husband and I enjoy sampling different wines, so I hope that one of these days, we will be. As for your idea, I can't imagine why no one went for it...lol!
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Grumpy~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 1:57pm.
Ryan/Cain is interesting. I do like Cain.
I have to share something that a friend of mine said last week. She said she'd like a Huckabee/Christie ticket. Is it just me, or is that the funniest combo possible? How exactly would that work? The southern gentleman as Prez, with the Terminator as VP?? Imagine the press conferences.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG - LOL!
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:11pm.
The mind boggles at the thought of the press conferences! Apparently though, the Huckster is out and Christie is not going to run.
Now if we can only get “Milquetoast Mitt” to drop out…
- Grump :o)
Grump~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:36pm.
We're talking SNL material here. Huckabee answers the press questions in a measured, diplomatic way -- and than Christie steps up to "translate." ;)
Sorry -- I just now saw the posts above on Huckabee...
Okay, HUCK out. I will have to break the news to my friend. Charles K. called that one correctly.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Well... yes and no.
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:41pm.
SNL is too liberal to do such a skit justice.
Maybe "NewsBusted" could produce a few skits along those lines? That would be funny!
- Grump :o)
GG...Oh brother...The genteel...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:35pm.
Southern, Baptist (minister) Huckabee, and the rough around the edges, New Jersey, Catholic Christie...Man, what a combo that would be, huh????
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
If Mitt gets the nomination...
Submitted by Djinn1975 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:37pm.
...it would be like a drunken hookup, or 2008 all over again. I'd vote, but I'd hate myself in the morning. Hell, I might write Ryan in just so I could live with myself. Ryan may be young but there is something to be said of holding that WI district for 7 terms.
Lol! I just looked at his House.gov pic and noticed the hair. It looks like Reagan's and then I did that trick that you have to use with those holographic pictures, focus on a single point and just let your eyes relax and lose focus so the image pops out of all the shapes and when his facial features blurred, he looked even more like Reagan!
Grumpy: I think Cain is another slam dunk choice, VP or the GOP nom. Presiding over the Senate would definitely be new territory for West, but I think he would do just fine. West could groom into quite the candidate in 8 years with Ryan.
No argument from this end...
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 2:53pm.
You’ll get no argument from me over either West or Cain… both would be great in the VP slot, but I still think Cain is a good choice for the top slot as well.
About ‘having’ to vote for Romney… yeah I agree with you as well – I’ll do it (but forgive the vulgarism please) I’ll have to go out the next day and find a herd of buffalos to (expletive deleted), just to get my self respect back.
As for that hologram thingy… No Thanks, last time I tried to ‘see the hologram’ it took me a full bottle of JD before the image appeared… and I was sick for three days afterward!
- Grump :o)
Confessing*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 5:51pm.
I am just reading some of your great posts. I have to confess to contradicting myself in a matter of minutes. I am not normally aggressive or angry, but if Mitt Romney gets the nomination, then I will be joining the ARMED GRANNY BRIGADE
SHUDDER!!
Submitted by Rukus on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 7:31pm.
I'm glad you're on our side! ; )
Think about this Rukus*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 7:56pm.
There are more than just me. There is a whole Brigade
Cajun monmon is just a lowly private. Let me introduce you to the Colonel
Yes, cajun...we are more than a Brigade...an Army!
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 7:57pm.
Us old broads (my mom included, she's hot hot hot for Allen to run on the top of the ticket).
BTW...Expat.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I'm with blonde mom*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 8:03pm.
In no particular order, my favs
West, Bachmann, Palin, Ryan, Caine.
No way list
Huckabee, Trump, Paul, Romney, Jindal
Add to "No Way"
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 8:12pm.
Pawlenty, Giuliani, Santorum, Newt.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
MMMmmmm...
Submitted by Djinn1975 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:01pm.
JD sounds good.....
Seniors wont vote
Submitted by dgv on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:22pm.
For someone who speaks candidly about reforming medicare. Unless you are counting on that huge conservative youth movement out there I wouldn't plan on it.
Dgv~
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:27pm.
Ryan's plan doesn't touch Medicare for anyone over 55. Granted, if he runs he has to make that clear -- early and often.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Precisely...Because the Dems and Obama....
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 4:12pm.
will lie through their teeth with every breath they take about the medicare angle...Standard operating procedure for the Dems...Scare the daylights out of the old folks...Jerks.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Keith Olberman
Submitted by Gothampc on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:28pm.
By the way, I wanted to point out what Keith Olbermann is up to these days.
FOK News Channel
This guy is so desperate to be relevant. Really, really sad.
http://foknewschannel.com/
This ain't good. All three
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:35pm.
This ain't good. All three local stations are on the air. A tornado is on the ground in Greene County, again.
Radar map. We are at the marked spot.
Take good care, rick....
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:45pm.
Do you have a basement? I hope so, although many/most homes in the South don't. I'm praying you'll be okay....Stay safe!!!!
(BTW, I was born not too far from you...Goldsboro, and I have family in Monroe and Charlotte).
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
They has one go through south
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:55pm.
They has one go through south of Goldsboro in Duplin County. So far all I have heard was that a turkey house has been destroyed. Don't have basements. Water table is too close to the top of the ground. My 3 year old grandson got to missing a few minutes ago. Found him in the hall closet. That is the safest place in the house. He knows the drill.
It is so humid out there you could cut the air with a knife. I don't like the looks of this. I have my scanner on, my weather radio and the local TV station. I am leaving here if it heads this way.
rick...That's good to hear...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 4:10pm.
that that was hopefully all that was affected in the Goldsboro area...
The water table problem is the case throughout the South, which is really awful since this area gets so many tornadoes....Everyone talks about Tornado Alley as having all the bad storms and tornadoes, and they do have their share, but I swear, after having lived all over the South, and in some tornado alley areas too, I think the South gets the worst of it...And, we have no basements to run and hide in, whereas in most tornado alley areas, they do.
That thick humidity goes along with this kind of weather....The air and the atmosphere just have a different feel to them when tornadoes are around...Scary. Bless your grandson's heart....what a sweetie...he knows where to go...I hope and pray that you all stay safe...Fingers crossed.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Ricklail
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:46pm.
Stay safe!!
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
I am. I have saw the damage
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:59pm.
I am. I have saw the damage one of these things can do first hand.
Me too...More than once...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 4:21pm.
Tornadoes scare the bejeebies out of me.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Looks like we may have missed
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 5:12pm.
Looks like we may have missed this one. A tornado touched down about 5 miles northeast of here in the Wilmar area. That is on US 17 at the Craven/Beaufort line. A tree has taken down a power line and they had golf ball sized hail. There is another just to the southwest of here. We may get some of that.
The radar map does not look as bad as it did about an hour ago.
Our elevation is only 23 feet above sea level. When my daughter lived in Pensacola she was only 7 miles from the beach yet here elevation was 46 ft. We are about 40 miles back from the coast.
Looks like you may have dodged this bullet...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 5:29pm.
Although that tornado and hail you mentioned got more than close enough! Once this mess has passed, it looks like you might be in the clear, according to what they're saying...Thank heavens.
Isn't it weird that Pensacola is a higher elevation than where you are? Strange. My hometown is Fort Walton Beach (although I was born in Goldsboro, and have lived in and have family in a number of places in the South), which is just east of Pensacola, and you'd think that since those towns are right on the coast, they'd be a lower elevation...Go figure.
Glad to hear that you guys are okay, and hopefully this will be the end of the awful weather for now.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
I see blue skies back to the
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 6:21pm.
I see blue skies back to the west. Goldsboro High School is one the 6 finalist for Ears to speak at graduation. Probably won't go there. Too many kids of Air Force personnel go to school there.
Oh big fat hairy deal....
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 7:46pm.
"The One" may speak at their grad??? Who cares...And you're likely right...With Seymour Johnson AFB (where I was born, btw) located in Goldsboro, I would think that that would pretty much take them out of the running, unless of course, Obama may want to use (operative word, use) the base and its personnel for a convenient photo op...I wouldn't put it past him.
Glad you've got calm weather again.... :-)
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Submitted by Djinn1975 on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:40pm.
I feel that seniors will find that Ryan's details of the specifics of REFORMING medicare that would no doubt be the drum beat of the Dem focus against Ryan. All they have heard is they're all being put out to pasture.
1) They are by no means being put out to pasture.
2) Those 55 and over won't see any change.
It's the same concept as the union fight in WI, not so subtle coincidence, unions aren't being busted just like seniors aren't being executed. Public employees will have to contribute a small percentage, smaller than private union members do, to their benefit packages, seniors aren't being executed or put into concentration camps for the elderly, the coverage for those 55 and older will be reformed. I wonder how Ryan's Medicare reforms look next to Obamacare. That would be an interesting piece, no?
FYI: I am a public employee. I do not participate in my union because I think it's absurd. My job is awesome, my pay is awesome, the benefits I contribute to are awesome. If I suck at my job I expect consequence. May have something to do with working 11+ years in the private sector at a semiconductor company.
Back on topic. Ryan's strengths far outweigh the MSM's vilified Medicare reforms that would be clarified and detailed in debate and campaign should he run.
He needs more experence
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 3:56pm.
Ryan needs a lot more experience in administration before even considering running for President. We already have an inexperienced administrator as President, and look where that has gotten us.
His best route to the White House would be in becoming Governor first, gaining experience in actually administering a government, and then run for President after one or two successful terms. As a former Governor, he would be unbeatable. As is, he doesn't have the experience necessary to actually administer the US Government effectively.
I like the man, but he just doesn't have the experence necessary for the position of POTUS, so I couldn't support him at this time.
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False report on Huckabee?
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 7:25pm.
Huh, weird. I'm now seeing reports that it was a false claim that Huckabee is not running -- and that he's deciding by June 21. Anyone have a good source that he's dropped out?
Update:
I give up. Now there are news stories out that it's more likely that he'll run.
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~Ronald Reagan
She beat Olw gore to it.
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 6:46pm.
Walked back into the bedroom where I had the local ABC station on watching the weather. When I walked through the door Diane Sawyer was blaming this weather on, wait for it, Globull Warming.
I think Gary said he was waiting for Owl Gore to say it but she beat him to it. we all know this is total BS but those that have fallen for the hoax.
*raises hand*
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 6:51pm.
It was me....and many of the eco-warriors have already claimed "Globull Warming".
Of course, others are calling it "Spring".
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Say hello to the newst
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 8:29pm.
Say hello to the newst Falcons fan. The idiotic Panthers did it. They picked the Laptop. I hope they fail.
I'm with you rick
Submitted by Rukus on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 11:40pm.
on the Falcon's, but for a different reason - Julio Jones. Birds got them a hell of a receiver in that one, very talented. Hope he adapts to the big time well. We'll see about Cam, I'm afraid he's gonna be a loose cannon but ya never know. And a big WOOT! to the Saints! Picked up Mark Ingram!