Open Thread: WikiLeak 'Worse Than Military Attack'?
So claimed Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., in a statement to a New York CBS affiliate. The hundreds of thousands of documents released yesterday by WikiLeaks and a few of the world's largest newspapers put "American lives at risk all over the world," King stated. He also wants WikiLeaks officially labeled a terrorist organization by the State Department.
Does the leak undercut claims that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's isn't anti-American, but simply anti-war?
Until today, one could argue (unpersuasively) that Wikileaks isn’t so much anti-American as it is anti-war; releasing secret docs about Iraq and Afghanistan supposedly would speed an end to the conflicts, forcing a U.S. withdrawal and leaving Iraqis and Afghans to enjoy a thousand years of kite-flying, occupation-free peace, etc. That’s moronic, but it’s more or less in line with traditional leftist policy priorities. What’s the “anti-war” motive, though, in releasing a few hundred thousand diplomatic cables? Progressives are forever telling us that we need to rely less on Defense and more on State, and yet it sounds like today’s leak will do much greater damage to the latter than the previous leaks did to the former. Not only will it strain U.S. diplomatic relationships, but the paranoia it’ll engender among U.S. diplomats about future communiques being exposed will cripple their ability to be candid. In fact, depending upon how sensitive the revelations are and which countries they involve, Wikileaks is potentially increasing the risk of war in the Middle East, on the Korean peninsula, or who knows where else. As Glenn Reynolds likes to say: They’re not anti-war, they’re just on the other side.
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As usual, King throws a
Submitted by Newsbusterbrown on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:03am.
As usual, King throws a knockout punch.
“There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Crippling Irony
Submitted by libBuster on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:06am.
Freedom of the Press does not encompass the right to publish copyrighted materials. Here we have DHS shutting down some websites which violate copyright law. Yet the US is powerless to shut down the Wikileaks website and deal with its leaders?
Maybe we should sic the FCC
Submitted by Kenny Bunkport on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:26am.
Maybe we should sic the FCC and the RIAA on wikileaks. They've managed to shut down a number of international music pirates. I guess we see where the administration's priorities lie. WE MUST SHUT DOWN FILE SHARING! Top Secret Information leaks? Waddya gonna do?treason?
Submitted by SouthJersey1953 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:07am.
I would think that the knowing release of classified information (regardless of your source) would amount to treason. What am I missing? Why hasn't the guy running wiki-leaks been arrested?
the guy running wiki-leaks...,
Submitted by CarlosS on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:13am.
Julian Assange is obviously an enemey of the United States, and as such, we can expect his actions.
My question is why hasn't anyone pointed to the inside people within the military and state department responsible for this massive release of classified information. No one seems to be pointing the finger where it should be pointed, the Obama administration.
So far, the only link they
Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:16am.
So far, the only link they have found it the little intelligence clerk who has admitted to downloading all of these documents off a DOD computer and sending them to Wiki. Personaly I hope they shoot the little SOB.
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little intelligence clerk
Submitted by CarlosS on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:26am.
I don't buy the low level PFC clerk having access to that much information in any way, shape or form.
Well, Carlos...belive it or
Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:39am.
Well, Carlos...belive it or not. The low level PFC is the clerk that all that information is stored by. The gate keeper so to speak. There are regulations restricting what the clerks are allowed to see, but if one is trusted and left alone for a bit, and he wants to, there is no end to the damage that they can do.
PS,
Are you aware that in communications, it is the low ranking members of the services that operate the radios/teletypes and such? They see and read ALL of the communications.
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PS
Submitted by CarlosS on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:11pm.
I've had previous security clearances and am currently working with one..., takes more than one low level PFC to get that amount of info out the door
Not today. All it takes is a
Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:23pm.
Not today. All it takes is a memory stick and one disgruntled pvt. When I was in the army, the only one that knew everything that was coming and going, who was where and what they were doing was the comm center. Normaly a E-2, E-3 or an E-4. Brigade commanders would ask the little private what, where, when and why.
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Doesn't sound right..
Submitted by humanzee on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 3:54pm.
You would assume highly classified documents would be encrypted when being passed around electronically. The government, specially the military, does spend a lot on cryptography. You would assume there would be "measures" in place so lowly grunts won't see things they aren't supposed to or copy things they aren't supposed to.
You don't need to open a file to copy it. You don't have to store a file in a readable form either.
There is a new Deep Throat. There is also a small network of low level moles scurrying around passing around the information.
Oh yeah, you would think Assange would be in some bunker in Egypt getting water boarded or that some wet team was on his trail.
Also... what the hell happened to the FBI? DHS? What the hell happened to counter-espionage?
Bradley Manning
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:31am.
Is his name,
He has been, and continues to be detained
Yes, he continues to be detained
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:52pm.
He is disgruntled and openly gay, furious at DADT.
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He should be continuously
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 4:00pm.
He should be continuously detained until Courts-Martial and executed if found guilty of releasing these documents. I don't give a rat's ass what his reasons or grudges are.
A mistake was made in the 70's to not prosecute and punish Jane Fonda et all. The Media and politicians learned they could settle scores with impunity which end up hurting this country.
See Beck tonight?
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:11pm.
Glenn Beck tied this little fairy directly to George Soros tonight, and it wasn't even a convoluted link. Seems that gay boy's lawyer works for Soros organization OSI.
It gets curiouser and curiouser! All conspiracies ain't theory.
Also heard that Barney Fwank has asked that Privates Manning be released into his custody awaiting trial.
Warm down there, because it's freezing UP north?
SouthJersey, what you are
Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:14am.
SouthJersey, what you are missing here is that Asange(?) is not an American citizen. For one to be guilty of treason, one must be, is some form, a citizen. That is why spys are not charged with treason.
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How about
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:07pm.
we charge him with espionage? This asshat is just playing at being a "world leader" with none of the responsibilities of being one. And, probably, an overwhelming anti-American bias.
I am all for sicking the CIA
Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:29pm.
I am all for sicking the CIA and the military on the moron. After all, while he is not a citizen of the US, we can use the military arm aginst him. There is no Constitutional violation there.
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i guess prosecution has to be
Submitted by TruthMonger on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:52pm.
i guess prosecution has to be demanded tea-party style to get the gov to DO ITS GD JOB for once
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
wasn't aware
Submitted by SouthJersey1953 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:22pm.
I 'thought' he was from the US. Guess I missed that point.
However, a poster below had a good additional point: Why not prosecute the news (ha-ha) outlets that repring the stuff that he puts out? AND go after the guy for espionage (as someone else usggested). This should ahve been done after the first 'leaks' were released.
Not a bad idea Jersey. The
Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:25pm.
Not a bad idea Jersey. The NYT needs a good ole fashion goverment takeover. They seem to think it is ok for everyone else. Why not them?
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Hurting the US
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:06pm.
If anything, the NYT is aiding and abetting the enemy by doing what they did.
As for Assange himself, his releasing those documents amounts to an attack on the US (and an attack on some others based on the info in the release) and that is enough justification to use extreme prejudice on him.
-Jon
SJ,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:59pm.
Actually, it should have been done before the first leak occurred, as everybody knew it was coming.
-Dave
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Julian Assange is an Australian Hacker
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:53pm.
Whose stated purpose in publishing these documents is to harm the United States' efforts in the GWOT.
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Is there no such thing as
Submitted by Kenny Bunkport on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:10am.
Is there no such thing as treason or sedition any more? I'd say any U.S. paper or media that reprints what comes out of wikileaks should be brought up on charges,Yes, these leaks did little
Submitted by Free Thinker on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:10am.
Yes, these leaks did little more to the US than make a few diplomats blush, but their larger impact will be the damage caused to diplomatic relations around the globe which could lead to more armed conflict since countries will no longer trust each other to seek diplomacy to resolve issues, particularly in the middle east. I would say some kind of military attack on Iran is now inevitable thanks in large part to the espionage of Assange. It would be fitting to put him in uniform and place him on the front lines because his actions have pushed war to the forefront.
I also find it quite amazing that with the relase of this latest bunch of documents the wikileaks founder has given plausible deniability for his own demise to just about every nation on the planet. Only fitting for a guy that has put so many lives in danger.
Anyone have any clues...
Submitted by notinstl on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:17am.
...as to why someone isn't targeting the secret files of other countries?
Fun at first to see someone committed honesty, but....
Submitted by StarAZ on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:19am.
These things should not be leaked--how is that happening...? They seem to point to some functionary--pretty bad security then.
Wikileaks cannot exist without a leaker(s).
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:24am.
We need to find the persons who leaked this information, hang them on the lawn in front of the White House with no hoods and broadcast the execution live, and flood the internet with pictures of the execution.
Assange should be made to feel scared for his life so that he has to continually look over his shoulder.
(Assignment for the MSM: tell us about the Wikileaks organization. Is it just Assange acting alone? If it is more than just Assange, how many people are involved? Is Wikileaks operating from just one country or several? Show some curiosity and interest like you did with the Plame silliness.)
The joy of "progressive" Liberalism....
Submitted by JLin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:24am.
Wikileaks has all the sexy benefit of playing the role of elected political leaders with none of the commensurate responsibilities, consequences or ramifications. A rebellious child's dream come true.... and all due to a gay American soldier's temper tantrum.
Correct me if I am wrong but
Submitted by Darasen on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:55am.
Correct me if I am wrong but aren't some places that applaud wikileaks the same places that did their best to bury climate gate?
Yeah, that would be
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:03pm.
correct. Apparently, it's only to be admired if the leaks embarrass the U.S., and put American lives and lives of our allies in jeopardy.
And, as for Climate Gate, they're still burying that story.
It is for just this reason we
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:06pm.
It is for just this reason we need to have the government in charge of the internet.
Dan,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:05pm.
What we need are some ingenious American hackers to bring that site down.
As for putting government (and particularly our current government) in charge of the Internet, that isn't the answer to anything.
Besides, what makes you so sure this same government isn't in some way involved in the release of these documents - particularly those working over at Foggy Bottom, which has a long history of being as leaky as a sieve?
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Sorry, I thought my comment
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:48pm.
Sorry, I thought my comment was so obtuse it would be recognized as sarcasm.
Dan,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:55pm.
My apologies.
Given that it was you, I should have known better.
LOL - Damn this Thanksgiving burnout!
-Dave
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Dave no problem. I always go
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 8:47pm.
Dave no problem. I always go by the adage of trust no one, not even that guy in the mirror. It keeps me in perspective. Stay true brother stay true. I really think that Obama and the leftists are positioning for a takeover of the net using this among others as a reason.
Dan, They are already snatching up domain names for "copyright..
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 9:34pm.
...infringement."
I wonder how long it will be before "copyright infringement" morphs into sites with "offensive content."
Sites like this one.
Just look at the success the feds have had going around quietly snatching up banks that are "insolvent."
If people don't wake up very soon, we are going to be left with the Obamanet, Bank of Obama, Obama Airlines, Obama Motors, Golf Obama (which might include Obamagusta National Golf Club), Burger Obama, Dairy Obama, Obama-Fil-A, and Obamald's.
And we'll be doing next years Christmas shopping at Obama-Mart, and paying with Obama-Bucks - unless you have managed to run afoul of Obama, in which case your Obama-Bucks will be deleted from your Bank of Obama account, and you will find yourself to be cut-off at your neighborhood OBP gas station, whilst trying to put $9/gal Obamagas into your Obama-approved transportation appliance.
No joke.
-Dave
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Dave you have no idea how
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:51pm.
Dave you have no idea how many lives are lost each year when women buy knockoff Coach bags and knockoff Ugg boots. The next thing you know the purveyors of these items will be digging tunnels under cities like San Diego and working with stooges from the middle east to bring these items in to cause chaos and kill innocent Americans with our designer knock off gear.
As always, this adminstration sees the trees through the forest and focus's on the truly mundane to leave us open to terrorists and the loss of our freedoms.
Meanwhile, the Senate is voting on the bill to give the FDA more unrestricted power and the government more control over our food.
Ditto Radical*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:54pm.
And today my heart is broken. My Senator, David Vitter voted for this bill. I am trying to calm down before I send him an email. Anyone wish to add their thoughts before I compose a gem of a whoop upside the head?
Solution
Submitted by cvgbuckeye on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:28pm.
A well placed, hollow-point, from a high powered sniper rifle, just behind Assange's right ear, would send him to meet his "real" partner and would also send a message to his survivors that it's not nice to fool mother America. Lets see how humorous they all think that head leak is.
We have the technology, the people in place and the ability. Obama does not have the guts or the will to act. He probably has to run into a closet about once an hour to laugh about how this hurts America.
Too convenient
Submitted by Spoker on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:35pm.
This all looks too convenient. Barry and the boys arrange for a massive leak that makes things look bad but does no real harm to him. Then as a reaction to the leak they enact major new restrictions, carefully worded to mean almost anything so his minions can take control of the net, the disagreeable media, and any message that fails to properly honor the anointed one. Just another rung in tha ladder of the climb to progressive utopia. Afterall, the term Machiavellian is not named after a saint.
pay freeze malarkey
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:17pm.
Gee, the Chairman is proposing federal workers to have their pay frozen for 2 years. Aside from the BS that he spouted just now, if they are going to do a pay freeze, will they go ahead and extend those tax cuts?(or more accurately, keep the rates the same) If they don't do that, the federal workers will lose big time, not to mention everyone else.
And he walked out right without taking any questions. Someone asked about wikileaks.
Anyone else see this?
-Jon
Saw some of it, and its about
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 7:50pm.
Saw some of it, and its about damn time.
Wonder if there is some info on this in the 250,000 pages...
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:51pm.
Why choose to this right now?
The latest attacks come a day after the release of internal State Department cables by the whistle-blower website Wikileaks, including several that vividly detail Arab fears over Iran's nuclear program and its growing political ambitions in the region. What sort of a military attack? Teddy the Dead Senator, releasing the top-secret information regarding the GPS tracking feature on all satellite phones was/is way worser...You Didn't Build That.
They are trying to label them
Submitted by Thoreau on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 1:56pm.
They are trying to label them as terrorists now, so that a pandora's box of death will open. I think it's well past deserving. They are putting everyone in danger. Not just now, but all our future operations need to be checked against what was leaked.
If I were CiC, I would find out where WikliLeaks servers are...
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:10pm.
...then put a few cruise missiles into their location(s).
And if that limp-wristed America-hating wuss got blown up in the process, I would consider that a bonus.
If he was to somehow escape being blown into hamburger, I would put a $20 million bounty on his head, dead or alive - no questions asked.
-Dave
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Dave, they are in Iceland.
Submitted by bassndude on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:20pm.
Dave, they are in Iceland.
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bass,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:26pm.
You're right, as I now remember reading that somewhere.
Somebody needs to get on the phone and tell the Icelandic government that if they don't take out those servers ASAP then we will.
Seriously, this goon is putting the lives of many innocent Americans in danger by releasing this stuff.
It's time it was stopped.
-Dave
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Yea Slap a sticky bomb on it...
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 5:31pm.
Oh well to late, it's on a million servers now....
Sticky Bomb Kills Iranian Nuke ScientistYou Didn't Build That.
Wow...no kidding......
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 9:21pm.
The old TNT in a sock with axel grease.....very basic, and VERY effective!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
Dave, Given your history
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:25pm.
Dave,
Given your history with hard drives and such I would suggest you gaining access to their servers for a few minutes. :-)
LOL Scoob,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:28pm.
You have a point. :-)
-Dave
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lightning rod?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 3:11pm.
Maybe you could even pull a lightning bolt or out of the sky two while you're there.
I know a guy down the hall, he's somehow death on some computers that he touches. I've seen it time and time again, I tried showing him a new procedure on a piece of software that was new, worked totally fine but as soon as he sat down and his hand touched the mouse to left-click on something, BOOM, blue-screen of death came up. Happened 3 times. I got him away from that machine, had someone else do it, it worked fine.
So he avoids PCs and does other things instead. He's death on cellphones too, so he doesn't have one.
-Jon
jon,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 8:13pm.
I used to have that problem with car stereos. They would last about three days then go TU. I started to think I was generation some sort of electro-magnetic field or something.
Never had the problem with computers until this past summer.
I did experience the feared Blue Screen of Death on occasion, particularly with older versions of Autocad, but that was ages ago, and I was far from the only one.
-Dave
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SEIU affiliate drops health coverage for 30,000 workers' kids
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:19pm.
Union members should direct all letters of thanks to the incoming House Minority leader.
I am sure they dont mind
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 3:20pm.
They knew what they were doing when they were insisting on Obamacare!!
This is
Submitted by NDanielson on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 2:24pm.
all about their grab of the internet. Now the liberal choir will cry for government control of the internet, and all the little sheeples will all have to agree that 0bama is the only man capable of doing it fairly.
Spot On
Submitted by CommanderTaya on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 3:48pm.
Obumbler will need Al Gore's help, though. After all he did "invent" the internet, right?
Open Government
Submitted by Gothampc on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 4:12pm.
Obama and Pelosi promised the most open government ever. We just didn't realize what they were talking about.
Anyone Like Egg Nog?
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 4:31pm.
Because if you do....here is the easiest and most delicious recipe ever.
I do the cooked version...and make double the recipe (also used spiced rum instead of bourbon).
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My neice makes Emeril
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 5:57pm.
My neice makes Emeril Lagasse's eggnog every year. It is exceptional.
Reading the recipe, I see why she only makes it once a year (more steps than Alton Brown's) but I do like the vanilla and the brandy Emeril adds.
I will be making Brown's recipe later this week. Have everything but the bourbon.
I wonder how scotch-nog would taste? ;-)
LOL, Strat
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 9:25pm.
I don't know how long Emeril's takes to make, but I did a batch of Alton's "cooked", start to finish, including cleaning up, in 20 minutes. Dead simple.
I don't think Scotch would be great, tho. Spiced Rum, Maker's Mark, Crown Royal, Brandy, or any dark "sweet" booze would be fine. I do put a bit of vanilla in mine. Also, the reviews said cinnamon and/or ginger, too. All sound delish.
Reading the comments, some people don't know what tempering means. Basically, take the whipped egg yolks/ sugar mixture, and add a soup ladle full of boiling milk/cream mixture, and stir. And another ladle, stir, and again. Then pour this back into the hot milk/cream mixture. Do the same for the frothy whites. It keeps the eggs from curdling (turning into scrambled eggs).
Santa came early this year, and delivered a Cuisinart Immersion Blender, with attachments! It rocks.
Cheers, all...bottoms up!
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New kitchen equipment make
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:12pm.
New kitchen equipment make for great gifts.
I just purchased a 12" Victorinox slicer. Cuts like butter, even a corned beef fresh out of hot water! Tried on pork roast, rye bread and chocolate cake (cut into two layers) and it worked superbly on all. The length needs some getting used to, there are shorter ones, but you can slice in one motion - no sawing - with a little practice and enough room to maneuver. A little bit of a specialty knife but a beauty when it's the right job.
I recently purchased America's Test Kitchen 2nd Edition cookbook that supposedly has every recipe, taste test and equipment test result. Massive book with some stupendous recipes. Most are more steps than most people usually take, but the results are great so far. My local library has DVD's of the entire 10 year series of the PBS TV show. I am in a cooking revival of sorts and loving it.
BTW, funny you mentioned "tempering". Was just discussing this with my mother while looking your eggnog recipe.
Blonde, Ever try Grand
Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:22pm.
Blonde,
Ever try Grand Marnier in eggnog? It's my favorite - er - additive. :)
I bookmarked your linked page. Alton Brown is one of my favorites. Please, oh, please, I hope never to read here that he has made a comment bashing conservatives or something. :)
Something cool Glenn Beck posted on twitter last night
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 6:32pm.
I meant to post this earlier, but forgot about it.
-Dave
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I've read about this in a
Submitted by troglodyt on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 8:05pm.
I've read about this in a german magazine months ago. The interesting thing was (if I remember correctly), that the FDR administration used these photographs as a propaganda tool supporting some of its social programmes.
Dave, I meant to reply earlier, but trog got here first.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 8:34pm.
Great Photos took a while to load way out here, Bankrupt dsl...
When building a dam, in the 30's,40's no need for the following paperwork.
Building Permit Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax (Fed)
Federal Unemployment Tax (FU TA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties(tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Tax
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Tax
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
FYI all the above taxes are less than 100 years old.
Come on think of some more taxes.....
Taxes are coming, bureaucrats must, multiply and be funded , by union edict, all hail the government bubble, may she never pop...
You Didn't Build That.
ucw, you are exactly right
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 8:53pm.
Having been involved in the engineering/land surveying/construction bizz for most all of my life, I saw this lunacy coming a long time ago.
Yet people wonder why it costs so much to build anything in this country.
If things keep going the way they are, pretty soon you'll have to get a government permit just to apply for another government permit, just to change the bag in your vacuum cleaner.
And you'll probably have to pay a disposal fee just to do even that.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Don't forget to install High temp HEPA filter for car exhaust
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 9:07pm.
Zuckers uncensored taxman ad..
You Didn't Build That.
Documenting the Face of
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 9:22pm.
Documenting the Face of America: Roy Stryker and the F.S.A./O.W.I. Photographers
PBS had a program on the Farm Security Administration, its photographers and the photographs. It seemed like there was one photo that showed people smiling. Very depressing, but, hey, it was The Depression afterall.
Towards the end, a contrast was made concerning the FSA photos and Communist ideology photos, where everyone is smiling. The irony lost in the discussion was that while the Commies wanted to show everyone happy to be good little Commies, the FSA was all to pleased with themselves to show Americans as miserable in nearly every picture, even ones that were of celebrations. Both were propaganda perpetrated by the Left.
Republican politicians were none too pleased when this ideological bent was consistenly utilized in the FSA, especially when it became known image composition had been manipulated at times to make things worse for (ideological) emphasis. FDR almost shut down this useful tool, but like a bad penny, FDR found refreshed purpose, his purpose, and then it was full speed ahead again.
The pictures are both wonderful and troubling. Great work on their own but potentially dangerous when used to manipulate a country. The background story within the story is the egalitarian nature of Roy Striker and his multirace, multigender photographers, unusual for the times.
I recommend the PBS show even with its glaring faults.
Is Craig Livingstone now
Submitted by Dan Diego on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 9:43pm.
Is Craig Livingstone now working for the State Dept?
The cable was issued under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, and asked for credit card numbers, email addresses, phone, fax, pager numbers and even frequent-flyer account details for UN figures as well as "biographic and biometric information on UN security council representatives".
If we are lucky, the UN will boot us out and move their operation to China, Moscow, Cuba, Venezuela...
They'll demand we still pay dues of course.
Livingstone
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 11/29/2010 - 10:00pm.
Isn't that the guy that Tom Lantos suggested he commit suicide like "Ad-Mrall Boora-DAH"?
That was one of the most pathetic people around, and no one could fess up to who hired him!
-Jon