For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Obama to name Sonia Sotomayor as Justice Souter's replacement.
President Obama will nominate federal appeals court judge Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court this morning...Wendy E. Long, counsel to the Judicial Conformation Network, criticized her support for "quotas" and "racial preferences." She called Sotomayor "a liberal judicial activist of the first order who thinks her own personal political agenda is more important than the law as written."
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Sotomayor is a racist bigot
May 26, 2009 - 08:34 ET by HockeyKidSotomayor is a racist bigot who has no place on the bench.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
White male Justices = unqualified at birth
May 26, 2009 - 09:17 ET by SickofLibsSotomayer: “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”
Do you have a link...
May 26, 2009 - 09:26 ET by Prester John....for this quote?
→ Prester
May 26, 2009 - 09:34 ET by Cool ArrowAllow me.
Muchas...
May 26, 2009 - 09:40 ET by Prester John...gracias.
→ De nada!
May 26, 2009 - 09:42 ET by Cool ArrowMay as well start learning the new National language of America, since Latina women are necessarily wiser than white men. Judge Sotomayor says so.
here is a video to go along with that..
May 26, 2009 - 09:48 ET by upcountrywaterCourts make policy ha ha ha
Reagan VS Carter and 0bama
Separated at birth.
May 26, 2009 - 10:06 ET by SickofLibsSeparated at birth.
If confirmed, we can only hope that she will live up to...
May 26, 2009 - 08:47 ET by ThalpyIf confirmed, we can only hope that she will live up to President Obama's expectations as well as Souter lived up to the expectations of President Bush I.
The fact that she's
May 26, 2009 - 08:52 ET by motherbeltThe fact that she's Hispanic and a woman trumps all questions of qualification.
Too bad she's not openly gay: he could've had a hat trick.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Maybe he prefers a cheap
May 26, 2009 - 08:53 ET by HockeyKidMaybe he prefers a cheap trick.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Motherbelt~
May 26, 2009 - 09:02 ET by Georgia GirlLOL -- I had the same thought.
Of course, we all knew his pick would be liberal. "Ugh!" on the firefighter decision. I'm hoping she is more of a wild card on issues involving abortion than the left would think. It's possible she could surprise in that way, which would be one spot of bright news. Anybody have any thoughts on that aspect?
What was the "firefighter"
May 26, 2009 - 09:15 ET by motherbeltWhat was the "firefighter" decision? I missed that....
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Sotomayor ~vs~ Firefighters
May 26, 2009 - 09:18 ET by HelenSHere's a Michelle Malkin article that talks about it: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/26/scotus-pick-sonia-sotomayor/
(sorry - I couldn't get the link button to work)
Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years - the cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."
→ Judge Soto~
May 26, 2009 - 09:24 ET by Cool ArrowShe proved, by refusal, that white dyslexic Americans are not equal to black Americans.
But did you hear that? She saved Baseball and read Nancy Drew.
How lovely?
The face of 21st Century Racism...
May 26, 2009 - 11:10 ET by HillbillyKingHere is the actual opinion issued by the 2nd Court of Appeals:
Ricci v. DeStefano
I found this comment from the dissenting opinion rather enlightening:
The District Court also held as a matter of law that the City's reasons for disregarding the examination results amounted to intentional discrimination because the city had
acted based on the following concerns: that the test had a statistically adverse impact on African-American and Hispanic examinees; that promoting off this list would undermine their goal of diversity in the Fire Department and would fail to develop managerial role models for aspiring firefighters; that it would subject the City to public criticism; and that it would likely subject the City to Title VII lawsuits from minority applicants that, for political reasons, the City did not want to defend.
As the author of this dissenting opinion noted:
"It is, at the very least, an open question whether discarding examination results on the basis of race so that members of certain races could have a "second chance" to compete constitutes the conferral or denial of a benefit on the basis of race."
Judge Sotomayor seems inclined to protect practices that are racist in nature. Count on it that she will continue to act in this manner when (sorry folks, it's gonna happen) she is confirmed to the SCOTUS.
Unfortunately, for those of pale pigmentation, the 21st Century is shaping up to be "payback". For instance:
After Serodio labeled himself as a white African-American, another student said she was offended by his comments and that, because of his white skin, was not an African-American.
According to the lawsuit, Serodio was summoned to Duncan's office where he was instructed "never to define himself as an African-American … because it was offensive to others and to people of color for him to do so."
Certain elements in this country have discovered that racism is fantastic method to undermine the core principles that make the USA such a great country. That's a shame really, given that the opportunity is there to truly make headway against racism. However, when someone is ethically and morally corrupt, the greater good matters not.
People are asking me about the race problem.... I know of no race problem. The great problem that confronts the American people to-day is a national problem -- whether this great nation of ours is great enough to live up to its own convictions, carry out its own declaration of independence, and execute the provisions of its own constitution. (1893) -
Frederick Douglass
Motherbelt~firefighter decision...
May 26, 2009 - 10:20 ET by Georgia GirlIf this link doesn't work (below), it's really worth looking up this article on the Web. It's Richard Cohen's Washington Post Op-Ed piece: "A Firefighter's Litmus Test." I think he does a nice job on this issue. Here's the link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/04/AR2009050402945.html?hpid%3Dopinionsbox1&sub=AR
P.S. Hey! My link actually works. ^_^
Thanks, I got it. I
May 26, 2009 - 11:18 ET by motherbeltThanks, I got it.
I remember that decision; I had forgotten that Sotomayor was part of that decision.
This also reminded me that Judge Cabranes publicly chastised her in that case. Here is his quote, so that others don't have to follow links...he said that her decision:
“contains no reference whatsoever to the constitutional claims at he
core of this case” and its “perfunctory disposition rests uneasily with
the weighty issues presented by this appeal.” (emphasis added)
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
CNN's take
May 26, 2009 - 09:35 ET by krendler< The fact that she's Hispanic and a woman trumps all questions of qualification >
Yeah, saw Susanne Malveaux make that observation, unapologetically, on CNN a while ago. Obama "killed two birds w/ one stone" with this selection. Said it like race/gender-based selection was perfectly fine. A good thing, in fact.
This is truly becoming the first Affirmative Action presidency. After only a few months in office, it's undeniable that race is a dominant factor in Obama's selection process when making appointments.
Saw it coming..
May 26, 2009 - 10:16 ET by boomerconIt's all about having "brotha's" who know the secret handshake of tha hood, and "sista's" who adore and idolize, and can be easily swayed (or bullied).
His administration is a living rap song.
Sickening!
Nomination Sealed
May 26, 2009 - 10:16 ET by somedaysIf this nominee were openly gay and could prove she had an abortion (prefer late term) her nonination would be sealed!
The fact that she is as qualified as box of hammers is unimportant. With this admin being non-white, non-male, liberal and a bigot is all the cred she needs.
"a liberal judicial
May 26, 2009 - 09:00 ET by motherbelt"a liberal judicial activist of the first order who thinks her own
personal political agenda is more important than the law as written."
Wasn't that exactly what was in the President's requirements for the job?
Rule of law, schmool of straw....SCOTUS needs people with empathy and a sense of fairness!!
When your case gets to SCOTUS, it's Queen for a Day!!
The new standard of "justice":
The more harsh the circumstances that led a contestant to want to
appear, the likelier the studio audience was to ring the applause
meter's highest level.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
I remeber during the Bush
May 26, 2009 - 09:06 ET by Dan The Man 2I remeber during the Bush years so many people were saying that we should look at the qualifications of the judge and if the President picks them and they are qualified then they should go through. Ideology should not matter.
But it does matter as we should try to make sure the judge looks to teh Constitution and not make up laws or look across the pond or some weird set of rules. So far the judges have been for the most part even handed.
And there is only onepart of this taht bothers me. It is a lifetime appointment and we have a lunatic doing the appointing.
One qustion, if Duh One is found to be lacking the qualifications for holding the office of President does his SCOTUS pick stand?
Dan The Man~
May 26, 2009 - 09:17 ET by Georgia Girlconcerning your comment:
"And there is only one part of this that bothers me. It is a lifetime appointment, and we have a lunatic doing the appointing."
Yeah, makes me queasy as well. It was one of the deeper reasons I felt helpless when Obama was elected.
It's the ONLY reason I held
May 26, 2009 - 11:20 ET by motherbeltIt's the ONLY reason I held my nose and voted for McCain!
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
I believ, rather than
May 26, 2009 - 09:26 ET by NL207I believe, rather than think, that someday, conservatives will once again recapture control of the government. When we do, we need to move with the same speed and determination Obama and his thugs are moving to wipe out these socialists. One of the things we will need to do is impeach every last Federal Judge who has admitted substituting foreign law for the Constitution and US law in rendering their verdicts. Sotomayor will go with that lot as would Breyer, Kennedy and Ginsburg.
How in the world can you
May 26, 2009 - 09:24 ET by IckHow in the world can you promise "post-racial politics" in your campaign and then nominate someone based on their race?
The same way he promised
May 26, 2009 - 09:31 ET by Scuba DudeThe same way he promised tranparency in his Administration and has not fulfilled that promise, the same way he promised no lobbyist in his Administration yet has hired quite a few of them.
The man is a liar and a thief.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
Republicans
May 26, 2009 - 09:43 ET by Tom in NCWill the Republicans finally grow a couple and go after this twits record and not be afraid of the fact that she is a latina. Will they have the guts to "Bork" her, or will they play it safe and treat her with kid gloves.
She is more radical than obama, if that is possible, the Republicans have been showing some courage lately and this is not the time to go weak kneed on us
Reverse Racism
May 26, 2009 - 09:43 ET by humanear"I simply do not know exactly what the difference will be in my judging," she said in a speech in 2002. "But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage."
This is a direct quotation from Sonia Sotomayor, who is presumed to be the nominee for the Supreme court.
Can you imagine if John Roberts or Samuel Alito would have said, "I simply do not know exactly what the difference will be in my judging, But I accept there will be some based on me being a white man?"
humanear
May 26, 2009 - 10:21 ET by dvdaughtryWhile I wholeheartedly agree with your post, let's not call it 'reverse racism'. It racist whether the infraction is against black, hispanic or white.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
A RACIST AND A BIGOT
May 26, 2009 - 10:03 ET by Delsaappointed by a RACIST AND a BIGOT!
Do the New Haven Connecticut Fire Fighters ring a bell?
She ruled that the fire fighters who worked hard and passed a test to be promoted could not be promoted because no black fire fighters passed the test, and her conclusion...THE TEST WAS UNFAIR AND TOO HARD AND HAD TO BE THROWN OUT!
Yes there was a Hispanic on the list of those WHO WORKED HARD AND PASSED!
The Supreme Court is now deciding this case! Will this affect the votes on the Supreme Court?
This test was Constitutionally sound and these Fire fighters should be promoted and
This RACIST BIGOT, should be OVERTURNED!
A filibuster can be successful!
She is ignorant of the Constitution and for that reason alone she should stay where she is!
I am sick!
The Republicans and Democrats in the Senate have to stand up and say NO to this nomination.
A liberal is one thing but a Marxist Racist Bigot is another!
JUST SAY NO!
Recently in Dallas because a
May 26, 2009 - 10:13 ET by Dan The Man 2Recently in Dallas because a panel of the proper diversity could not be gotten together in time a whole group of firefighters were passed on. It was ruled that because the panel wasnt diverse enough all who took the tests passed. Yes EOE is alive and well.
Sonia Sotomayor
May 26, 2009 - 10:09 ET by CTJust another blossom from the seeds planted by that great conservative intellect George H. W. Bush. Phew!
B.O. said she has... "the
May 26, 2009 - 10:16 ET by mattmB.O. said she has... "the intellect and compassion to interpret the Constitution wisely."
This is NOT what a supreme court justice is supposed to do. They are supposed to interpret the LAW as it relates to the constitution.
This is why it's so dangerous to have in power moronic liberals like O-boy* who inexplicably think the Constitution can be twisted to mean whatever they want it to mean, which, if that we're true, would mean there's no point in even having a constitution.
*(I'm referring to his lack of experience, not his race - for those of you who get your panties in a bunch and are ready to cry racism at the drop of a turban)
"We got the change. Where's the hope?"
I agree matt...
May 26, 2009 - 11:24 ET by motherbeltThe idea is to interpret the Constitution accurately, not "wisely."
A couple more folks like her on the SCOTUS, and the Constitution won't matter at all, only their own judgments of what they think is "fair."
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Think she will be like
May 26, 2009 - 11:50 ET by Scuba DudeThink she will be like Thurgood Marshall who was quoted as saying, "You do what you think is right and let the law catch up"?
If so, we are in deep doo doo.
"The wrOng ONE was elected"
Reopen the Pubic Hair Investigation
May 26, 2009 - 10:18 ET by SickofLibsSome sources still maintain Sotomayer was the one who put that pubic hair on Anita Hill's Coke can.
Conservatives have to nail
May 26, 2009 - 10:24 ET by Jack BauerConservatives have to nail Sotomayor with her full name
Re Sotomayor & Firefighters
May 26, 2009 - 10:36 ET by slickwillie2001The firefighter decision should be the one Republicans investigate in her confirmation hearings; it is the most odious item in her resume:
"Ricci v. DeStefano is a major reverse discrimination case now being heard by the Supreme Court. It concerns a suit by some New Haven Connecticut white firefighters who passed a mandatory promotional exam. Because there were no black firefighters who scored high enough to be promoted, the exam was tossed out, the white firefighters were denied their promotions and a number of black firefighters were promoted instead.
Judge Sotomayor attempted to summarily dismiss the case and toss it out of court, something that didn't sit well with the other members of the appellate panel that heard the case. As a matter of fact, she was formally reprimanded on the record by fellow Justice Jose Cabranes for her conduct during the trial, something that almost never happens publicly."
Ref: http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com
I retrieved that link from an NB article from May 5th: http://newsbusters.org
Yes, that case. That case was very poorly handled and an example of liberal judicial activism, and that point was made long before Sotomayor came up as a USSC nomination.
More links:
Racial Preferences -The Plot Thickens: http://www.powerlineblog.com
History of her first appointment to the court by President George H. W. Bush: GOP Tried to Block Sotomayor in 1998: http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com
Let us always dumb down tests
May 26, 2009 - 12:23 ET by DelsaThen we have more folks like SOBama personifying and fulfilling the Peter Principle
That's it, a dumb fire department...
May 26, 2009 - 13:20 ET by HillbillyKingis really such a wondeful idea!
Really it is, at least for lawsuits. Think about it. Some "smart" lawyer realizes his injured clients were harmed because the FD employed stupid procedures and sues the sh!t out of em . The City, (the same one that wanted to avoid lawsuits with their dumbin down of the tests) ends up payin through the nose for this.
HA! Only in America could it be considered good that a life saving organization LOWER their standards so that certain color people can pass em.
The complete and total insanity that takes place here is really sumthin to behold.
Be very afraid of the New Haven Conn. Fire Department.
Oh yeah, and remember New Haven wanted these minorities in these positions so they could be role models for minorities at the lower levels. HA!
Sobering thought, since it happened in New Haven, just think of how many other places around the country this type of thing takes place. How much dumber has everyones Fire Department, Police Department etc gotten in recent memory?
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
→ Obama's quotas
May 26, 2009 - 13:36 ET by Cool ArrowNot on his life would the President choose his personal physician according to his own empathic logic.
Tactics Vs. Strategy...
May 26, 2009 - 10:59 ET by Doc_NavyHonestly, I have come to believe that President Obama is a LOT smarter than we give him credit for. I think that this is a tactic being used in an overall strategy. Just LOOK at what's happened since he became president.
His overall strategy is the destruction of the foundations of conservative America. Considering that America was FOUNDED by Christian, religious conservatives fleeing an oppressive government... that means that he's out to wreck the foundations of America. He's already said that the constitution is "An Imperfect Document" that needs updating.
So, what does this have to do with anything? Consider the speed and depth of all of his decisions. You barely have enough time to process his first decision before he's made another. It's a flood, a frickin' avalanche. Nobody even looks at things he did two months ago (Except for GITMO, but that's because it's coming to a head.), because we're too busy taking in his latest policy changes, political miscalculations and blunders to even remember what he did a couple weeks ago that so outraged us.
On top of that, this pick does a NUMBER of things that help him out. Anyone still remember the birth certificate fiasco?? How do you think having Sotomayor in the Supreme Court is going to effect the ability at getting at it now. Think about it, if Sotomayor gets confirmed, and it later comes out that the birth certificate deal is REAL... all his decisions -INCLUDING nominating Sotomayor to the Supreme Court- are made null and void.
On top of that, he now has a supreme court justice that thinks the same way Rev. Wright and Alinsky do. He can go far with a Judge that hates white America as much as he does...
Doc
An important Doc_Navy FACT:
"Doc_Navy once bet NASA he could survive orbit and re-entry without a spacesuit. On July 19th, 1999, a naked Doc_Navy orbitted the Earth 12 times then re-entered the earth's atmosphere, streaking over 16 states while reaching a temperature of over 3200 degrees, and impacting the Earth at speeds that exceeded Mach 3. An embarrassed NASA publically claimed it was a meteor strike, and still owes him a beer."
Howard Kurtz of Reliable Source this Morning on Imus
May 26, 2009 - 11:22 ET by lareeHoward Kurtz No One Knows who the Hell is Running North Korean Government.
http://youhavetobeth...
Hmmph!
May 26, 2009 - 12:02 ET by CrashI'd be surprised if Obama said something nice about our country. I'm not in the least surprised that he would green light a puppet to his socialist cause. "All for one and one for all" ... sounds great until the bullpen has been cleared and you need an outfielder to pitch the final pitch of the world series.
Just remember which party is currently in charge of interpreting the "patriot act."
By the way, great political tactic to sideline the N. Korean nuke story.
Garofolo
May 26, 2009 - 12:09 ET by misterbillGarofolo Sotomayor and our marxist president!!!
She will probably spend a lot of time with Luis Gutirrez when deciding cases.......
Sucker fish----
May 26, 2009 - 12:08 ET by Roscoe MendagoObama and Sotomayor are fellow travelers in the cesspool of liberal public policy, both are swimming upstream to spawn. These two are not the catch-n-release variety, but round-mouthed browns, "suckers", that need to be stomped on the riverbank!!!
This guy is going to get us all killed!!!!
→ CA Supremes uphold Prop 8
May 26, 2009 - 12:08 ET by Cool ArrowCan you believe it?
true?
May 26, 2009 - 12:12 ET by lotrGlory be.
"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann
Interesting...
May 26, 2009 - 12:52 ET by Another Dead KennedySo majority rules is the law of the land after all.
Now, when does the public get to vote to send all of the illegal aliens back home? I'd bet a simple majority vote on that would pass with flying colors.
KDW
May 26, 2009 - 12:56 ET by Cool ArrowThat's already the law of the land. It's like we would be voting to make it illegal to break the law.,
In that case, what's the
May 26, 2009 - 13:20 ET by Another Dead KennedyIn that case, what's the problem? I don't mean to change the subject, but if laws are made on a simple majority vote, can the immigration issue really be that difficult to solve?
Sotomayer is an anti-constitutional racist of the first order...
May 26, 2009 - 12:11 ET by R D Helm...who has a prarticular problem with white males.
...but her confirmation will sail right through, as most republicans will support her.
Most republicans voted to confirm the far-left, pro-pedophilia kook Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
After all, RINOs only have two responsibilities once elected:
1) To get re-elected.
2) To go along to get along with those who are rapidly destroying this country.
-Dave
R D
May 26, 2009 - 12:12 ET by misterbillOlympia Snowe gave her selection praise this AM. WTF is wrong with all those conservatives in Maine????
"WTF is wrong with all
May 26, 2009 - 12:32 ET by ckc1227"WTF is wrong with all those conservatives in Maine????"
They're not Conservatives, for starters.
Kevin--
May 26, 2009 - 15:07 ET by misterbillI lived there for a few years and most of my neighbors and associates were conservatives--. I guess I assumed that was standard for the state and it is true that both of those leftist ladies are registered Republicans.
misterbill,
May 26, 2009 - 12:34 ET by R D HelmLOL-You mean, there are actual conservatives in Maine?
-Dave
Not to say I told you so,
May 26, 2009 - 12:10 ET by lotrNot to say I told you so, but this is what happens when a left-wing "identity politician" gets elected to POTUS, as opposed to the only realizable alternative, a moderate Republican. This radical "judge," should she get confirmed, will be a enduring tag on the SCOTUS who will, like the national debt, long surpass the POTUS who nominated her. This helps to illuminate some of the resentment I still have for the conservative-minded people who were too self-righteous to get out and vote for the Republican ticket in the last election.
"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann
Re Enduring
May 26, 2009 - 12:53 ET by slickwillie2001Yep, she's only 54 years old. She might be still sitting on the court in 2039.
And yes, a big thanks to all those that sat out the last election because McCain didn't meet their high standards.
You know what Slick
May 26, 2009 - 13:03 ET by DelsaOops double post
You know what Slick
May 26, 2009 - 13:01 ET by DelsaThose who sat out the last election had better not think a third party is order!
The third party will make sure we are living in gulogs for years to come!
A third party will make sure the Dems (who always vote in goosestep) will prevail over the Reps and Thirds.
We are republicians left and right and we have to take this country back with ALL right thinking folks.
People who believe in our Constitution are welcome to vote with us against the LEFT! Period!
I respectfully disagree
May 26, 2009 - 13:57 ET by misterbillI did not sit out the last election. I was very active. I even spent afew days helping out in a local campaign office.
"The third party will make sure we are living in gulogs for years to come!"
What if the third party candidate was a person who wanted to practice the policies of Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin in living to the Constitution??
This is the time to start it so that we can see if it will gather any speed. At the least--maybe it wil get rid of the Olympia Snowe's etcetera and get real Republicans back in the fold. What you are proposing, in my mind is the same as giving up without a fight.
I really think we can do it. We have a handful of true Conservatives in the Senate and a goodly number in the House.
With nothing to press the R party--there will be no changes in the party.
PS I think you can see that I wish the GOP were the GOP!!!
misterb... I agree with
May 26, 2009 - 14:12 ET by bigtimermisterb...
I agree with you in some regards...I know one thing, some of the repubs are not understanding that the Tea Parties are about THEM too...
Not one penny is going to the RNC...maybe what little we can give to some strong conservatives, but not the RNC...until Cornyn, McConnell and others behind the scene get a clue, they will keep floundering around in the wind...
If a great candidate for a third party showed up...who knows...but to sit back and keep in doing the same old, same old is beyond insanity.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT
May 26, 2009 - 14:40 ET by misterbillOne thing that seems to work well in getting things done in my opinion, is competition--OR the fear of competition.
You said you agree "in some regards". What regards would you not agree with, just out of curiosity?
Do you think the GOP will change without pressure from us??
Do you think the threat of a possible third party will not light a fire under their butts??
Having been around as long as I have , I can foresee us sitting here in 2010 and 2012 saying--"well now is not a good time to start a third party". And it would be true. The wheels would have been rolling for two to four years already.
Remember--my purpose is to strengthen the GOP and if they won't stand up as conservatives--then we push forward with the third party. Also tell me what chance --ever--there will be for a third party if every four years we say and do the same old things???
So what changes would have been made by the GOP? What incentives would they have had?? We need to show them that the basic principles set forth by our Founding Fathers is what most Americans want.
We still have some really good conservatives in the Senate (Inhofe, Sessions for a couple), who could use the support of more Republicans like them.
I just disagree with almost everybody in the sense that I think most folks are sitting back and no changes will be made because we waited. The same old argument every 4 years. I am going to pat myself on the back and say I a correct because I have seen so much of it over the years. Did they bury Ronnie's spirit with his remains?? Is there no one to pick up the standard??
Who gave us Snowe,Specter and Collins?? Who gave us the great supporter of illegal immigrants Lindsey Graham?/ All Republicans. How did they bget where they got?? What fear do they have of being displaced by a third party candidate??? What do the have to fear???
Whn Saxby Chambliss came back to Georgia after supporting the Kennedy/McCain amnesty bill--he was booed in his own home town. He switched. He had a close race with a relatively unknown democrat later. It took a runoff to win.The people did not forget--there was little difference in their minds.
I say no fear --no gain. We let them become complacent. We need to set a policy that if you reach across the aisle--the rest of your body goes with your hands (ala Specter).
PS Newt has come back out of the woodwork and is talking good conservative words. Look at Cheney and what he is doing to lift the spirits of conservatives.(At least mine.)
We need some kickass pols to stand up and shout--"I'm a constitutionalist and, hey I'm a conservative and I will help fix the country."
Hey misterb... Sorry I
May 26, 2009 - 15:11 ET by bigtimerHey misterb...
Sorry I was interrupted here with some troubling news personally...
Anyway, what I meant by "some regards" is if the RNC and the big-wigs not supporting conservatives, and RINOs instead, along with not putting out a strong conservative, then of course I think a third party needs to be looked at seriously.
I've also listened to all the platforms on the varying parties on C-Span over the years ...I'm no spring chicken either...for me the Constitution Party is the closest one in the way I view things that I could support, it certainly isn't the libertarian Party as they have so many different splits in their own party and what they want...
I remember well what Perot did when he backed out and came back in (his daughters wedding/black helicopters BS)....then some in that Party split up with in-fighting...we ended up getting eight years of Clinton, and we still have them all there again anyway.
Anyway...hope I answered your question as best as I could.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Hey BT--
May 26, 2009 - 15:18 ET by misterbillThanks--you also made me smile as I remember some rumor that Perot was afraid that they were being followed . Then, instantly, I thought about O's civilian army he wants to build.Maybe Perot wasn't as crazy as we thought.
He was the one that could have created a successful third party if the magnetic waves from the spaceships had not altered his thinking. Ah, where is the tinfoil when you need it.
Actually, it was kind of sad.
As to my future votes, I will never let myself be talked into voting for someone I hate for "the good of the GOP" or whatever. I will go back to voting for the person I believe woill do the most good for America. Only then--if no one of that caliber is left, will I vote for she or he that will do the least harm.
Same here misterb...same
May 26, 2009 - 15:22 ET by bigtimerSame here misterb...same here...and I said that immediately on this site after McC made his loving consession speech the night of the election and kissed O's arse.
Never, ever again.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
3rd Party
May 26, 2009 - 15:22 ET by JimboThe conservative movement is dead unless there are dramatic changes made. Part of that problem is that there are politicians in the Republican party pretending to be conservatives yet vote in lock step with the Democrats.
I understand your concern about splitting the party alla Ross Perrot, but right now the Republic party does not have conservative interests at heart and in its current state will never allow the Conservative movement to shine.
A true conservative must emerge. If the Republican party cannot produce one, I will vote for a third party. I cannot bring myself to continue to vote for a phony party, even if it results in a Democratic White House.
At the end of the day, what’s the difference between a Democrat and a RINO anyway?
Hey Howdy Jimbo... I
May 26, 2009 - 15:33 ET by bigtimerHey Howdy Jimbo...
I agree...one thing that always come to my mind in relationship to this, is for instance the drilling for oil here within and being self-dependent from foreign oil, tons of politicians always say well, that would take 10, 15 years to have that even come on line and be feasible...heck, they have been saying that same tripe for over 30 years now...if they would have quit blocking this, we would not need foreign oil...to me it is the same difference...
You have to start somewhere...make a stand and build from there.
Lobbyists be damned...if we build it, plenty will come.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Jimbo--
May 26, 2009 - 15:50 ET by misterbillThe Democrat does not sit there and brag about "reaching across the aisle". They sit there and think --"there are a lot more Democrats here than have a "D" behind their names".
Fair point, but the result
May 26, 2009 - 15:56 ET by JimboFair point, but the result is the same. Liberalism.
→ Slick
May 26, 2009 - 13:01 ET by Cool ArrowI voted for Shamus McAnus, but I understand the reasoning of those who didn't.
We now have a freeze-out on Republicans and as such, all decisions are solely the property of the Democrat Party.
That's not necessarily a bad thing in the long run.
Who, me?
May 26, 2009 - 13:36 ET by UnsaneI didn't vote for McCain! (Contrary to what the ballot shows...)
I voted against His Majesty The Shahinshah.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Same here...as much as it
May 26, 2009 - 14:05 ET by bigtimerSame here...as much as it killed me to hold my nose and vote the ticket.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
→ Gay Mayor-iage
May 26, 2009 - 12:16 ET by Cool ArrowThe mayor of this <100,000 podunk town called in from Mexico to say he won't be coming home. Seems his partner couldn'tget a legal residence approval.
Yeah, those of us who didn't know, certainly suspected he was gay, but that didn't make much difference to us through four elections in this redneck town.
But this does raise an interesting point. If his predilictions were towards women, the mayor would have had the choice of marrying her.
I'm against gay marriage, but I think a case can be made for bestowing rights on partnerships.
CA
May 26, 2009 - 15:00 ET by Par for the CourseSaw this article today:
Elections have
May 26, 2009 - 12:47 ET by ckc1227Elections have consequences.
On the bright side, this isn't a pick up for the libs, it's replacing one lib with another. We just better hope none of the non-libs on the court retire soon, or it's lights out, folks....game, set and match for anything the libs want to do.
Scary times, folks, and it's only going to get worse.
Get ready for Cyber Czar
May 26, 2009 - 12:49 ET by R D HelmI don't like this even a little bit:
http://www.washingto...
-Dave
Dave...
May 26, 2009 - 13:02 ET by Georgia GirlUnbelievable! Except that it's totally believable. To state the obvious, that's oversight that should be left to the FBI/CIA/military. Wow, this guy has his controlling hands in everything. Sigh.
His name will be--
May 26, 2009 - 13:04 ET by misterbillJosef Goebbels!
Dave,
May 26, 2009 - 22:11 ET by RESTLESS 1I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this paragraph from your link:
The announcement will coincide with the long-anticipated release of a
40-page report that evaluates the government's cybersecurity
initiatives and policies. The report is intended to outline a
"strategic vision" and the range of issues the new adviser must handle,
but it will not delve into details, administration officials told
reporters last month.
40 pages and no details????
Of course this line just scares the hell out of me:
The report touts the concept of public-private partnerships to protect
nongovernmental systems. It discusses the need to provide incentives
for greater data sharing and risk management, and to use the
procurement process to drive greater security, they said.
That's it. Now I'm a-skeered.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
WHERE POLICIY IS MADE!!
May 26, 2009 - 12:53 ET by NortoThat and the white male comment is more than enough to disqualify her.
Let's make it happen, Cap'in!
May 26, 2009 - 13:38 ET by BKeyserOnce again, the White House is screaming for a quick approval; just like the stimulus, the budget, cap-n-trade, health care...
How about we call for the same expediance to the abolition of nuclear programs in third world, rogue nations, huh Bambi?
You gotta love the priorities of this administration...
→ Has anyone noticed?
May 26, 2009 - 13:52 ET by Cool ArrowThe blog is surprisingly free of leftist dunces today.
Could it be they are busy at a Talking Points conference, given the racist person Obama has named to SCOTUS?
LOL Cool... Shhhh! It's
May 26, 2009 - 13:56 ET by bigtimerLOL Cool...
Shhhh!
It's nice and peaceful for a bit...must be taking longer than they expected with their talking points, all they have to do is tune in to msnbc.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
→ Extended meeting
May 26, 2009 - 14:02 ET by Cool ArrowThe libs have all their liberal white men on board with being stupid. Showed them reruns of (fill in the blank) sitcoms.
It's the mothers who won't admit their sons are stupid they're having a problem with.
Re leftist dunces
May 26, 2009 - 14:36 ET by slickwillie2001They are all at the Code Pink beach-party/convention: CPBP
→ HUBBA-HUBBA!!!
May 26, 2009 - 14:38 ET by Cool ArrowThat's got the blood racing.
Slick
May 26, 2009 - 22:12 ET by RESTLESS 1I don't even want to know how you knew where to find that. ;>)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
She's racist? Honestly I
May 26, 2009 - 14:49 ET by balboaShe's racist?
Honestly I haven't read the threads much today. I've been too busy reacting emotionally to a new hemp overcoat I got in the mail today.
→ Hemp overcoat?
May 26, 2009 - 14:54 ET by Cool ArrowYou're sure you're not being affected by absorption?
But if you're wearing an overcoat in May, perhaps it's that Global Warming thing.
Sotomayor racist? Yes, unless you are one of those neanderthals who believe Blacks can't play Quarterback.
That link just led to
May 26, 2009 - 15:11 ET by balboaThat link just led to another post on a different thread.
→ OK bal
May 26, 2009 - 15:17 ET by Cool ArrowI was unaware you were unaware.
Here's the quote from which I drew the accurate parallel to black quarterbacks.
I even sourced the NYT.
Correct me if I'm wrong,
May 26, 2009 - 15:23 ET by CacciatoCorrect me if I'm wrong, but from your own link, it's clear that she was talking within the context of issues relating directly to race and gender.
If this quote is the 'smoking gun' that people are going to go after her with, then I'd say she's a shoe-in.
→ Show me
May 26, 2009 - 15:28 ET by Cool ArrowShow me, in her remarks (not your own interpretation), where she says "in matters of race and gender".
Feelings... nothing more
May 26, 2009 - 15:34 ET by Clear thinkerFeelings... nothing more than feelings...
Take the 'I am not a racist' pledge http://iamnotaracist.wordpress.com/
Ha. LOL :)
May 26, 2009 - 15:37 ET by CacciatoHa. LOL :)
Not so fast Cac... That
May 26, 2009 - 15:42 ET by Clear thinkerNot so fast Cac...
That was to you, not for you!
Clear
Take the 'I am not a racist' pledge http://iamnotaracist.wordpress.com/
Still funny
May 26, 2009 - 15:56 ET by CacciatoStill funny
From your article (which
May 26, 2009 - 15:36 ET by CacciatoFrom your article (which I'm not sure why you would post it without reading it or supporting it's intent):
“Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural
differences,” she said, for jurists who are women and nonwhite, “our
gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our
judging....
Her remarks came in the context of reflecting her own life experiences
as a Hispanic female judge and on how the increasing diversity on the
federal bench “will have an effect on the development of the law and on
judging...
In making her argument, Judge Sotomayor sounded many cautionary
notes. She said there was no uniform perspective that all women or
members of a minority group have, and emphasized that she was not talking about any individual case.
She
also noted that the Supreme Court was uniformly white and male when it
delivered historic rulings against racial and sexual discrimination.
And she said she tried to question her own “opinions, sympathies and
prejudices,” and aspired to impartiality."
Seems pretty clear to me. No interpretation needed on my part. Simply rehashing what was clearly written in your link.
→ Cacciato
May 26, 2009 - 15:53 ET by Cool ArrowI read it.
If you're saying one race/gender is superior to another, there are blogs for that, too.
But I'd rather not join you there.
But Cool that isn't what
May 26, 2009 - 15:55 ET by CacciatoBut Cool that isn't what she said. And I think you know that.
The quote is only inflammatory when taken out of context.
→ No I don't
May 26, 2009 - 16:08 ET by Cool ArrowI don't know that, unless I concede she is incapable of saying what she means.
I submit it's you who are patronizing her for an inability to communicate.
Not surprising. It's the liberal way. Condescending and patronizing.
I don't think you've read
May 26, 2009 - 16:14 ET by CacciatoI don't think you've read her speech. Balboa was kind enough to provide a link. You should read the comment within context.
In my opinion, she is almost identical to Souter. Her nomination doesn't change the landscape of the Supreme Court at all. As such, I see no reason to protest or complain.
Knowing Obama, he could have chosen someone way way way to the left. Thankfully, he didn't.
Cacciato--
May 26, 2009 - 16:16 ET by misterbillParis waiting for you. Send a postcard.
Great call my good
May 26, 2009 - 16:18 ET by CacciatoGreat call my good man.
You like the book?
No--
May 26, 2009 - 16:38 ET by misterbillI read an in depth review and decided that I am too much of a Quixote. I do not turn my back on my fellows at arms and I do not consider the Vietnam war to have been an "unjust" war. And I do not agree with people who think so.
I like my protagonists to be better than cowards, although I realize there are many cowards in the world. I do not like my heroes to be appointed by government officials to be heroes because of false, "feel good" reasons. (e.g. He is Black/Hungarian/Asian). Nor do I like to have those who represent my country to be appointed because they are of a certain race/religion/ethnicity.
Thus, my good man, I am on the opposite side of this appointment. I sincerely hope the few Republicans with the stones to fight it will accurately describe her shortcomings and the failure by our leader when he appoints someone based on the experiences of her color or ethnicity.
How would you like to go to court as a defendant and sit before a judge who decides what, when and how you will fare based on the fact he came from a broken family?
No?? I didn't think so.
Mister, Tim O'Brien is
May 26, 2009 - 16:51 ET by CacciatoMister,
Tim O'Brien is decidedly anti-war and I am not a fan of his other books, but I really enjoyed Cacciato. I didn't think it was as over the top anti-Vietnam as, say, If I Die in a Combat Zone.
The reason I like the character of Cacciato is because he isn't anti-war, he just did what he felt like doing when he felt like doing it. Admittedly, Paul Berlin (styled after O'Brien) was anti-war, but that's what made Cacciato all the more interesting as a character for me.
You say Cacciato was a coward, but I disagree with that assessment. To each his own I suppose.
As for Sotomayor, I think you're having a visceral reaction to some inflammatory, out of context quotes. If you look at her record, you will find that she is not an extremist at all (Not to mention her highly impressive academic resume). In fact, throughout her career she's received bipartisan support at every turn.
I was worried Obama would go way left to appease those liberals who have thus far been disappointed by his inaction on issues they deem highly important, but he didn't. As I mentioned below, he picked a smart woman, with more experience than any previous SCOTUS nominee, who is more or less the same as Souter.
Oh yeah...Souter is a real
May 26, 2009 - 17:06 ET by bigtimerOh yeah...Souter is a real great example to use here.
Did you like the Kelo decision Cacc... just to use one of his leftist decisions?
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
The reason Souter is a
May 26, 2009 - 17:11 ET by CacciatoThe reason Souter is a great example has nothing to do with his decisions in my argument.
My only point is simple and clearly stated above. Her being nearly identical to Souter in ideology means that the court will remain unchanged. As far as I'm concerned, given the fact that we have a liberal president and a liberal Congress, this is a victory for the right.
Nothing changes, that's fine with me. Obama could have easily chosen a much more liberal nominee, but he didn't. So, I'm all for it.
cacciato
May 26, 2009 - 17:42 ET by misterbillI confess to being a paleoconservative. Until recently I was a Republican.I started many years ago as a Democrat. (The whole fam damily were democrats.) The observations of years and the desire to constantly learn has resulted in experiencing vacillations in attitudes at times about issues and people over the years. I, however, remain a conservative.
My definition of freedom, I am sure,is quite different than yours. I did not and do not rebel against authority for the sake of rebelling. (I am not accusing you of that.) I do accuse many prominent figures for being that type of person--to name a few Garofolo, Maher, Behar. Their resentment of the restrictions of their yoputh has led to a twisted attitude that any and all efforts or beliefs about moral attitudes is a violation of freedom.
I am not filled with hate because of the stringency of my upbringing. Yes, I believe it had a repressing effect on my attitude, but if I compare it to the opposite attitude I see today. I would rather be on the conservative side.
I believe also, that liberals suffer from a personality disorder as described by Dr Lyle Rossiter in his book, "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness".
I leave it to you to delve further. (Although, I imagine you will not.)
"As for Sotomayor, I think you're having a visceral reaction to some inflammatory, out of context quotes."
Right back at you.
And I am the one to judge, since my experiences as an Italian youth growing up in an almost exclusively Irish community and living with the prejudices of that experience as well as being born at home in a tenement because my Dad had no job and we were poor will result in my having a better understanding of Constitutional issues than most people in the USA. Oh wait, we already have an Italian on the SCOTUS-Scalia. Well that shoots my chances in the ass, doesn't it?
In reading that passage of
May 26, 2009 - 15:48 ET by balboaIn reading that passage of the speech, it does appear she is talking about rulings of sexual or racial discrimination, but it is worded very clumsily and needs some serious clarification.
Balboa, I'm don't think
May 26, 2009 - 15:53 ET by CacciatoBalboa, I'm don't think there's much there with regard to legitimate criticism.
From everything I've read about her, she seems to be well-respected. I see no sign of any extremism on her part. The calls proclaiming her an activist liberal are predictible, but not backed up by reality.
She's a consensus judge.
→ As you wish
May 26, 2009 - 16:00 ET by Cool ArrowThe same logic would allow me to say with impunity; White men, with their life experiences, are less likely than brownskinned men to slap their wives around on a Saturday night.
Nothing racist or extremist about that is there?
What you're defending is the same old stereotypes we'd like to put behind us.
Your example is not even
May 26, 2009 - 16:03 ET by CacciatoYour example is not even remotely similar or worthy of comment.
Hyperbole, while occassionally effective, does not strengthen your argument.
→ Thanks
May 26, 2009 - 16:10 ET by Cool ArrowI knew you'd understand completely.
That's a lousy comparison.
May 26, 2009 - 16:24 ET by balboaThat's a lousy comparison.
→ Thanks, bal
May 26, 2009 - 17:28 ET by Cool ArrowIn order to align the comparison more fully with the views of Ms. Sotomayor, allow me to amend the comparison.
Is that better?
CA, it still doesn't
May 26, 2009 - 17:59 ET by balboaCA, it still doesn't work.
She was talking about the ability of a minority to rule on matters of race. I don't know that she would be able to rule "better" necessarily, but I would think that the perspective would be unique.
cacc, what is the color of the sky on your planet?
May 26, 2009 - 16:34 ET by pahuber"I'm don't think there's much there with regard to legitimate criticism."
LOL, that was funny.
"The calls proclaiming her an activist liberal are predictible, but not backed up by reality."
I see. You are a liberal extremist yourself.
"She's a consensus judge."
No. She is a left wing kook wishing to make policy from the highest court in the land.
What is "kooky" about her?
May 26, 2009 - 16:37 ET by balboaWhat is "kooky" about her? I've only heard CA's argument.
Where policy is made clip:
May 26, 2009 - 16:52 ET by pahuberWhere policy is made clip:
http://www.youtube.c...
Rediculous/racist claims:
http://www.nytimes.c...
One paragraph opinion against reverse discrimination:
http://www.cnsnews.c...
There will be more forthcoming from others as she is now the nominee. She is going to be an extremist with an agenda.
Bal, this is my charity work for the day. Go play w/ cacc...
Is this KOOKY enough for you Bal?
May 26, 2009 - 17:37 ET by pahuberJust askin'
Grayish, a bit overcast
May 26, 2009 - 16:39 ET by CacciatoGrayish, a bit overcast today. Mildly depressing weather for a day back to work after a holiday.
Do you have any concrete examples to illustrate her extremism other than a harmless quote about white men taken out of context and a misguided (but also harmless) quote about policy?
Any tangible examples or are these two quotes what you are basing your opinion on?
cacc, you are troll and a leftwing kook.
May 26, 2009 - 16:46 ET by pahuberYou are so far left your brains have fallen to the floor.
pah... A troll
May 26, 2009 - 16:51 ET by bigtimerpah...
A troll indeed....and as far as brains go...that's debatable. ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
LOL... where do these trolls come from???
May 26, 2009 - 16:55 ET by pahuber: )
Oh that danged Cool Arrow
May 26, 2009 - 16:59 ET by bigtimerOh that danged Cool Arrow had to go and sound the alarm wondering where they were today, all was peaceful until he did that....I asked him to shhhhh about it...
Sure enough....it was too late...here they came.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
LOL too funny.
May 26, 2009 - 17:04 ET by pahuberThis one here is a new one to me.
→ bigtimer
May 26, 2009 - 17:05 ET by Cool ArrowSorry, but Al Sharpton gave me some walkin' around money.
So I'm a troll for not
May 26, 2009 - 17:03 ET by CacciatoSo I'm a troll for not buying into the knee jerk criticism of a SCOTUS nominee?
Why is it that anytime somebody doesn't toe the line around here, you simply call them a troll instead of engaging in any sort of debate.
As I said before, it could have been way worse and as far as I can tell nothing changes with her nomination. I'd say that's pretty good given what could have happened.
My guess is that you probably blindly supported Meirs when she was nominated.
Feel free to point out why she is a liberal extremist if you have the time though. I'm here to discuss, I just don't think there's much to complain about.
Don't worry, Cacciato.
May 26, 2009 - 17:09 ET by balboaDon't worry, Cacciato. That's a pretty standard accusation of any Democrat on here at one time or another. I myself have been labeled a troll many, many times. Ain't no thang.
I've never called you a
May 26, 2009 - 17:14 ET by bigtimerI've never called you a troll boa...a pesky little brother, but not a troll, in fact I have defended you when you have been called that.
I know a troll when I see one.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
And it's much appreciated.
May 26, 2009 - 17:51 ET by balboaAnd it's much appreciated. :-)
→ Tru dat bal
May 26, 2009 - 17:14 ET by Cool ArrowBut if I didn't label Pi314 a troll, it's not likely I'll start now with either you or cacciato.
Oh ya gotta stamp the troll
May 26, 2009 - 17:50 ET by balboaOh ya gotta stamp the troll label on some people, no doubt. Cacciato seems pretty up front so far.
Oh I know, I'm a long time
May 26, 2009 - 17:17 ET by CacciatoOh I know, I'm a long time reader, just never got around to making a name (primarily b/c I can't post at work and because I have little free time at night) but I don't even identify myself as a Democrat.
I chose not to vote this year, because I didn't like either candidate. Prior to that I voted for W twice.
I know I'll get the standard BS call from the locals around here, but I'm just a fiscal conservative small government guy. I'm only liberal with regard to social policy because I think that big boys and big girls should be able to do what they want in the land of the free, as such I have no opinion about gay marriage and I think we should end the futile war on drugs.
That's me in a nut shell. Pretty simple.
Cacc... What are your
May 26, 2009 - 17:22 ET by bigtimerCacc...
What are your opinions on Amensty/illegal immigants and drilling for OIL here...being self-dependent, along with shale, coal etc?
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Simple
May 26, 2009 - 17:29 ET by CacciatoSimple again.
Anti-illegal immigration (never met anyone who is pro-illegal immigration). Go after the businesses that employ illegals and tighten up border security.
Mixed on the oil debate. Can see the sense in drilling our own, but also hope we could get off of oil entirely. I think we should drill for now but make a concerted effort to transition to alternative energy as the technology improves.
Cacc... Well that is
May 26, 2009 - 17:59 ET by bigtimerCacc...
Well that is swell to know...you may want to read some of this regarding Sonia/illegal immigration along with plenty of other things we are talking about here as well...there are links inside to click too.
Plus on the left side there is a post by Rosen from the New Republic...a leftist magazine...which I am sure you know, I put two links about this here earlier this morning on some other thread.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bigtimer, I had a chance
May 27, 2009 - 11:19 ET by Cacciatobigtimer,
I had a chance to read your link last night. It was definitely interesting although it was liberally sprinkled with opinion and bias. For instance at the top of the page, they list out some facts about Sotomayor, but then for some reason insert this blatant opinion in the list - "Views America as a nation rife with discrimination against nonwhite minorities"
It cheapens the rest of the article. Not sure why they wouldn't just stick to the facts.
As for the Rosen piece, I found that intersting as well, however, he had a response to conservatives citing that piece as being anti-sotomayor today (read it on Andrew Sullivan):
"Conservatives are already citing my initial
piece on Sotomayor as a basis for opposing her. This willfully misreads
both my piece and the follow-up response. My concern was that she might
not make the most effective liberal voice on the Court--not that she
didn't have the potential to be a fine justice. Questions of
temperament are often overlooked, but history suggests that they are
the most relevant in predicting judicial success. (Justice Scalia may
be a brilliant bomb-thrower, but has failed in his attempts to build
coalitions and bipartisan majorities.)"
ROSEN
Bal, I still think you are a troll. You just have been able to
May 26, 2009 - 17:25 ET by pahuberingratiate yourself w/ others on this site. If the evidence says white you say black...if black then you say white. Some sort of devils advocate of logic. If evidence is presented to you then you must ponder the evidence or dismiss it with the usual "we don't really know all of the story"...
Some find this entertaining I guess.
Hardly pahuber. I'll take
May 26, 2009 - 16:52 ET by CacciatoHardly pahuber.
I'll take your post as an admission that you do not have a single, concrete example to back up your absurd assertions.
Fair enough.
→ Cacciato
May 26, 2009 - 17:01 ET by Cool ArrowI don't label you troll, as you have exhibited an ability to engage in debate. (Mind you, I don't think i exaggerate, as you've charged).
Allow me to introduce the SCOTUS oath, after which you might tell me how she can admittedly carry her race and gender into chambers;
To me, it appears she has telegraphed an intent to judge based on her own biases and prejudices.
But cool the problem with
May 26, 2009 - 17:07 ET by CacciatoBut cool the problem with your above argument is that for it be right, you have to first believe that her original out of context quote makes her a racist.
I don't believe that is the case, as I am able to understand it within the context of her entire speech, so I am unable to agree with your above position.
→ No Chachi
May 26, 2009 - 17:17 ET by Cool ArrowShe has submitted her opinions, as a Latina woman, would be superior to those of a white male.
If I were to concede she was talking strictly in terms of gender and race, she is still proposing it is acceptable to consciously rule, not as a judge, but as a Latina female judge.
Sorry you can't see that.
CA ~ You are aguing with someone who claims they cannot see the
May 26, 2009 - 17:34 ET by pahuberobvious.
To me that is a waste of resources on someone who just pops up and makes the rediculous claims that he makes.
Good luck.
Cool, I read her entirely
May 26, 2009 - 17:35 ET by CacciatoCool, I read her entirely different.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one I suppose.
Either way, I don't think this particular quote will cause her any trouble in the nomination process.
→ No Chachi
May 26, 2009 - 17:39 ET by Cool ArrowSorry, I'm not being disrespectful, I just can't be spelling your nick right all the time.
But you are not reading her different, you are interpreting her differently.
There's a difference. One of inference.
Cool Arrow ~ Point Set Match! He cannot argue his case
May 26, 2009 - 17:49 ET by pahuberbecause you have nailed his proverbial buttocks to the wall. Now Bal will have to assist with getting him down somehow ; )
In translating languages I have found that sometimes dynamic equivalence can be more preferable than the direct translation because of barriers in each language. You are correct in saying that he is interpreting (incorrectly) what she said rather than conveying what she said.
He was not even in the playing field with his interpretation of the story.
Cool, how dare you resort to
May 26, 2009 - 17:43 ET by SickofLibsCool, how dare you resort to quoting her actual words, from, like, her actual mouth.
Case dismissed. Next.
Cool Arrow/SickofLibs...
May 26, 2009 - 17:51 ET by Georgia GirlFor what it's worth, "Going After Cacciato" is a war novel.
→ Thanks GG
May 26, 2009 - 17:53 ET by Cool ArrowSometimes it's more like "Waiting for Godot"
Yowza! LOL
May 26, 2009 - 17:51 ET by pahuber; )
I got $500 thats says
May 26, 2009 - 18:04 ET by SickofLibsI got $500 thats says tonight Olbermann will be de-bunking this "alleged statement" from her "alleged mouth."
LOL SoL! NO WAY because that is a sure thing that he will!
May 26, 2009 - 18:09 ET by pahuberProbably the headline opening for Meltdown w/ Keith Olber"man"
Not really. She was talking
May 26, 2009 - 18:20 ET by balboaNot really. She was talking about how her experience can better inform a decision in a case involving race. Everyone's experience helps them in some way.
No she was not. This is your ability to reason away racist
May 26, 2009 - 18:35 ET by pahubercomments that come from the other side of the spectrum. When someone here makes an even mild inference about somebody of color you seem to be right there on them, bal.
Honestly, who do you think you are kidding?
God help you if you are being serious.
Baloney. Can you show me
May 26, 2009 - 18:39 ET by balboaBaloney. Can you show me these times when I'm "right there on them"? I will admit that I objected to the use of "negro" by a member of this site.
Baloney? Oh no, bal... no baloney. That was the most recent
May 26, 2009 - 18:50 ET by pahuberone that I saw.
You seem to be devoid of seeing racism in such blanket comments from your side that it is transparent to most on this site. It is despicable of you to somehow justify and explain away such bigoted comments from a SC nominee, but that seems to be your style.
Perhaps you need to start using that noggin of yours to start thinking.
Sorry I felt the need to
May 26, 2009 - 19:02 ET by balboaSorry I felt the need to comment when someone casually referred to a black person as a negro.
But I'm also not going to let one comment -- taken out of context -- paint a person as a bigot.
bal, her comments are bigoted and you seem to want to defend
May 26, 2009 - 19:08 ET by pahuberher. How black and white does it need to be for you?
More black and white than it
May 26, 2009 - 19:15 ET by balboaMore black and white than it currently is.
So you think discrimination
May 26, 2009 - 19:32 ET by general companyBased on Race is ok? Because that is what she meant and ruled. BTW she not only did that but never gave those discriminated against their day in court. Nope she wrote a paragraph about how this judgement was not worth while. Hey Bal, do you know where this judgement is? It is awaiting ruling by the Supreme Court, not bad for a judgement not worth her time eh?
Get a grip Bal
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I linked those to bal where he promptly ignored them.
May 26, 2009 - 19:33 ET by pahuberIn his mind the whities probably deserved it.
I don't know about
May 26, 2009 - 19:45 ET by balboaI don't know about "whities," but you I'd say Yes.
Actualy you do mea whites
May 26, 2009 - 19:55 ET by general companyHow could you agree with this and not mean whites?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I meant a generic "pahuber
May 26, 2009 - 20:01 ET by balboaI meant a generic "pahuber deserves it," 'it' being an undefined bad turn. :-)
"Get a grip," i.e. "see
May 26, 2009 - 19:41 ET by balboa"Get a grip," i.e. "see things my way!"
Not at all
May 26, 2009 - 19:54 ET by general companyBut anyone who might follow this and thinks it isn't bigoted doesn't know the difference. Now I am not calling her a bigot, but her ruling or lack there of, was. For you to suggest their isnt enough info is silly, what more do you need to know? BTW this is a life time appointment. This isnt the only case were she was not up to snuff.
"Get a grip" is to imply you have not stated a good defence, either do or "get a grip"
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC, I fully allow for the
May 26, 2009 - 19:56 ET by balboaGC, I fully allow for the possibility that she may end up being wrong for the appointment. I'd just like to know more before making that conclusion.
Then why the knee jerk defense of her
May 26, 2009 - 20:23 ET by general companyEducate yourself, a lot of folks gave you relevent info. Justice in this country is supposed to be blind, but she has ruled based on color. This is not my opinion, this is true. Trust me, I wish she were another Souter.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
bal, you have been supplied plenty of resources and you continue
May 26, 2009 - 23:38 ET by pahuberwith the knee jerk defense and irrational arguments.
"I'd just like to know more before making that conclusion."
Of course, bal.
→ Well, yes
May 26, 2009 - 16:52 ET by Cool ArrowRicci v. DeStefano
Where she decided the petitioners were too white to deserve promotion.
Seems the Municipality pulled the promotion offerings when firefighters of the wrong persuasion passed.
She's stated, by your admission she will judge contrary to the oath administered to SCOTUS judges. In this case she's demonstrated it also.
This particular case will now be heard by SCOTUS, and if she has any sense of jurisprudence at all, she'll recuse herself.
First, her role in this
May 26, 2009 - 16:59 ET by CacciatoFirst, her role in this case is still not known (from your own article) and in no way was her finding that they were "too white" (especially given the fact that one of them was Hispanic)
As for your claim that she will judge contrary to the oath administered to SCOTUS judges, I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
Could you clarify what you mean and how she's demonstrated it in this case?
→ See above
May 26, 2009 - 17:03 ET by Cool ArrowWay ahead of ya'.
→ May I add?
May 26, 2009 - 17:10 ET by Cool ArrowSounds like she has a problem with peers. And I'll expect you to do some of your own legwork before pronouncing an issue "too soon to tell".
I'd like to read why she
May 26, 2009 - 17:12 ET by balboaI'd like to read why she upheld New Haven's ruling before making any rash decisions.
Criticism by a fellow judge stated that she did NOT appear to
May 26, 2009 - 17:16 ET by pahuberread the weighty evidence, bal.
Her decision was ONE paragraph.
WOW! A true liberal intellect.
→ Yeah
May 26, 2009 - 15:54 ET by Cool ArrowWhat it really needs is for Baghdad Bob Gibbs to tell us what she really meant.
CA, you need to read that
May 26, 2009 - 15:57 ET by balboaCA, you need to read that part of the speech:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15judge.text.html?pagewanted=5
→ I did, bal
May 26, 2009 - 16:03 ET by Cool ArrowAnd you're welcome to defend racism if you want.
I know the arguments liberals use to excuse their own racism, and I won't refer to it as reverse racism, because it necessarily belittles the minority as being unable to engage in it.
bal, the FACT that she would even utter such nonsensical BS is
May 26, 2009 - 17:02 ET by pahubera sign of how racist and non-mainstream her thinking is. No doubt she actually believes this to even speak it in her feigned trepidation as she at least tries to back off from it.
A very liberal KOOK and very UNQUALIFIED. Lowest common denominator.
Doesn't every issue affect race and gender???
May 26, 2009 - 22:16 ET by RESTLESS 1And what makes her so sure that her experiences will lead her to correct conclusions? Sometimes, being on the outside looking in can lead to greater clarity.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
That's the better point, I
May 26, 2009 - 22:25 ET by balboaThat's the better point, I think, in that her assertion isn't necessarily true. And I'm not sure you should put your race front and center as a decision-making mechanism. It's about the law.
Exactly Bal
May 26, 2009 - 22:45 ET by RESTLESS 1The law affects all of us. If there is a chance that she would let her race or gender weigh on a decision then, seeing as this is a lifetime appointment, I would rather not risk it. This is too important.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Thank ya' sir.
May 26, 2009 - 15:27 ET by balboaThank ya' sir.
Cool Arrow!
May 26, 2009 - 15:43 ET by Georgia GirlI cannot believe you said that (14.52 comment). I'm knocking on wood everywhere now... ;)
→ Too late GG
May 26, 2009 - 15:48 ET by Cool ArrowSend in the clowns
Don't bother, they're here.
Cool...dang!
May 26, 2009 - 16:10 ET by Georgia Girl...Don't you love farce?
My fault I fear.
I thought that you'd want what I want -- sorry, my dear.
But where are the clowns?
Quick, send in the clowns.
Don't bother, they're here....
((^_^))
Sotomayor's Assault on the Bill of Rights
May 26, 2009 - 16:21 ET by Kingfish17When the Constitution was written and approved by the States, political power resided locally and with the States. The Constitution spelled out what the Federal Government could do. It was a limiting document. But some things were deemed so important, so essential, that a Bill of Rights was created to insure that the States or local governments could not strip those rights from it's citizens. That's why the Bill of Rights exists, so that everyone in the United States is guaranteed freedom of the press, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, due process, and the right to bear arms.
But in some form of twisted logic, Sotomayor, in the written opinion from Maloney vs. Cuomo, stated:
"It is settled law, however, that the Second Amendment applies only to limitations the federal government seeks to impose on this right."
So it is Sotomayor's opinion that any State or any locality can say that the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to them.
What about the 1st Amendment? Or the 4th? Or all of them? Talk about turning the Bill of Rights on it's head! This is insanity.
Here's the link to her ruling: http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jmm257/000-decision.pdf
"I've sentenced boys younger then you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it, but I felt I owed it to them." Judge Smails
Just in from Progressive Dems of America
May 26, 2009 - 16:22 ET by misterbill"Dear bill, On June 25, we’ll hold a rally in Washington, D.C., and then march to the Department of Justice to demand a special prosecutor for torture. If our demand is not met, some may choose to engage in nonviolent civil resistance, risking arrest."
Would it be discourteous of me to not answer?? I have other plans. I want to watch the grass grow.
misterb... ...and of course
May 26, 2009 - 16:29 ET by bigtimermisterb...
...and of course the majority of the msm will cover this bull.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT--
May 26, 2009 - 16:42 ET by misterbillI would join them--except I do not want to leave planet earth just yet and the only way I would attend is if I had a Jihadist mindset.
I know you get the picture.
Re Perot
May 26, 2009 - 16:29 ET by slickwillie2001I would not refer to Perot as a 'third party' because there was no party there. Any wackball can run for President as an Independent; every election a handful do. It takes an enormous amount of work and an army of people on the other hand, to really put together a whole new political party. It would then take that party several election cycles to build credibility and donors and a base while under attack from the principal two parties. The new party would not have a purity-detector mechanism to ensure that those that run are pure enough for the organizers. What is to say it won't fill up with XINOs?
Had Perot won by some magical alignment, he would still have been stuck with a democratic Congress to work with. Not all that much would have been different between he and Billy-Jeff, other than we would have been spared Billy-Jeff's disgusting personal failings.
Well slick...some of us
May 26, 2009 - 16:39 ET by bigtimerWell slick...some of us look at like you have to start somewhere if the repub party isn't going to get rid of the RINOs either.
Talking and whining about how unhappy we are when they keep doing this, is not getting us anywhere back to what conservatives are suppose to stand for...I've watched this happen election after election....money is wasted on the RINOs...and they are nothing but destructive to this country in my opinion.
You have to take a stand somewhere if the RNC won't do it.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Come on, folks, would you
May 26, 2009 - 17:01 ET by Roger the ShrubberCome on, folks, would you expect The Messiah to nominate anyone more to the right? Besides there is a more important, more pressing international incident at hand?!??!?!
And, in other news...
Oh, before I forget...
L E T 'S G O P E N S!!!!!!!!
As a member of Sen. John
May 26, 2009 - 19:11 ET by Lord ElicaniAs a member of Sen. John Cornyn's campaign since late '07, I got this email a few minutes ago [note in italics, my emphasis in bold]:
"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears
fought are still at issue around the globe – the belief that the rights
of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of
God."
- John F. Kennedy
to the NB Devil's Advocates
May 26, 2009 - 21:41 ET by lotrThe nomination of this "judge" ought to be problematic for anybody with half a brain.
Let us turn to analogy to bring the point home. The Constitution may be likened to the MLB Official Rulebook. The players are like citizens. Is this sufficient for a game though? No, because the players, because of their own self interests (winning), are not objective -- they are subjective.
Enter the umpires -- they are, shall we say, a "necessary evil." Judges ought to be much like umpires. They call the play in what ought to be an objective manner, that is, the call should be the same by any neutral observer (e.g., instant replay), and it should not matter what team the umpire personally likes. Does experience enter in? Of course it does -- an umpire with real world experience becomes good at making objective calls. Are umpires perfect? Is the Pope Baptist? Does that mean that we let them off the hook, though? That, say, some guy who grew up an Indians fan can now go ahead and call the close plays in favor of the Indians (because, after all, they are historically underdogs)?
Now, for the first time, we have an "ump" come along and proclaim that "no ump is objective, therefore I'm gonna make the call according to my identity, which, as a die-hard Indians fan, I would hope that I could make better calls than a Yankees patron."
"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann
Baseball analogies! How does
May 26, 2009 - 22:04 ET by balboaBaseball analogies!
How does political party -- or "league affiliation", National v. American -- affect those rulings?
I like your analogy, except that from what I've read, this ump is saying that because she grew up as a player for this one particular team, she's better prepared to make calls in games involving those teams because she's more familiar with the style of play.
Amigo, when does "style of
May 27, 2009 - 06:28 ET by Roger the ShrubberAmigo, when does "style of play" trump the rules? If anything, your comment makes her even LESS qualified to be on the Supreme Court. After all, she would be less prepared to make calls in games not involving the limited style of play she is famliar with. How many cases involving Latinos breaking the law will she see on the Supreme Court? One? Two?
Or were you referring to her being diabetic? :)
There is a reason why the chick holding the scales is blindfolded, folks.
Rog, style of play doesn't
May 27, 2009 - 08:05 ET by balboaRog, style of play doesn't trump the rules, but familiarity with that type of play would be helpful, wouldn't it?
Well, to me, type of play
May 27, 2009 - 10:56 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, to me, type of play is immaterial. Rules are rules, period, regardless if they are followed or broken by a white/black/red/yellow/orange/green man/woman/Skestak. That is why the chick with the scales is blindfolded. Justice does not see a skin color, gender, etc...
This chick is not qualified to be a Supreme Court justice. What I am wondering is this: is this the best The Messiah can come up with, or is this just a set-up?
bal
May 27, 2009 - 12:22 ET by lotrOn the surface this way of phrasing it seems innocuous enough, but only if "familiarity with the style of play" allows for a more, not less, objective call.
The sense I've gotten out of this nominee, including the POTUS' whole "empathy" [sic] qualification, is that she would call all the close plays, and perhaps even some not-so-close plays, in favor of her personal team allegiance.
Can anybody, in their wildest dreams, imagine tolerating a ML umpire who had the audacity to issue such drivel?
And, mind you, the baseball analogy does not capture the gravitiy, for here we are talking about a Justice, not a game.
"Let's wrap him up, alright?" -- Keith Olbermann
My heart goes out to the
May 26, 2009 - 22:41 ET by bigtimerMy heart goes out to the Tyson family regarding the loss of their 4 year old daughter....no matter your opinion on him, lossing a child is your greatest loss...you're never the same.
Prayers sent.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart