For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Senate GOP must follow House brethren and vote unanimously against stimulus package.
Although the Obama-loving press cheered the House vote Wednesday night approving the new president’s economic stimulus package, the end result was a resounding defeat for a man who promised on the campaign trail to bring a new era of bipartisanship to Washington. There’s no getting around it, not ONE Republican representative said “Aye.”...[I]f they seriously want to win back either chamber of Congress in 2010, and/or the White House in 2012, Republicans in the Senate must follow suit by casting 41 opposing votes next week when this issue moves to their side of the Capitol.
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A big resounding YES! And
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:27 ET by taterA big resounding YES!
And it would probably help some moderate democrats chances if they do the same. I have one in my state, and he's been put "on notice".
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"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia
I doesn't matter, though.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:59 ET by mattmI doesn't matter, though. The GOP only seems to get a backbone when they have no power. As soon as they win, they go RINO....
Even "conservative" pundits and media people can't seem to avoid this strange trait. For example: The Dow Jones Money Report - a radio branch of the WSJ (supposedly conservative media outlet) reported on Jan. 28 that the DOW was up in anticipation of passage of the stimulus plan.
But the next day (After passage of the "stimulus" plan) the DOW was down more than it went up the previous day - but they blamed it on jobless claims etc. with no mention of the possibility that it was due to the passage of the stimulus plan...
When the Wall Street Journal starts geting tingles up its leg, you know we're in deep do do.
This may come as a suprise,
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:07 ET by jdhawkThis may come as a suprise, but the WSJ news part of the paper is largely liberal in its take on most issues while its editorial section is clearly conservative. Most people don't realise this.
Nevertheless, I agree that Republicans have this awful trait. They can't seem to stay in power because they are compelled to act like dimocrats once in power.
We'll have to wait and see if they vote as a block. I will be pleasantly suprised if they do.
Meanwhile, I have e-mailed both my North Carolina senators of my misgivings on this bloated turd of a bill. I suggest all that read this, do the same. If we make enough noise, we could defeat this or at least alter some of its most disturbing aspects like we did the immigration bill.
yes, i emailed my senators...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:33 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...although, if previous experiences are an indication, bill nelson will not pay any attention to me, but will write back with some double-talk about "knowing what's best for the country". i also contacted my representative and thanked him for going against the "stimulus" package in the house vote.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
clinging...lotsa luck
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:36 ET by BlondeI e-mailed both Nelson and Martinez yesterday....no reply, natch.
I e-mailed John Boehner earlier this week, and at least got an acknowledgement....which reminds me, I need to send a follow-up thanking the man for doing such a good job keeping the House Republicans in line.
yeah, blonde...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:42 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...i think it actually does help to remind them when we agree with what they have done. i'm sure they hear plenty about when we don't!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Clinging...absolutely
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:55 ET by BlondeI just sent John Boehner another e-mail thanking him, immediate reply.
Still nothing from my two senators, though.
John F'n Kerry said today........
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:35 ET by BEGRUNT"If the republicans wont vote with us, we'll just ignore them". I say to F'n Kerry, great....you idiots can hold the bag all on your own, and when it blows up, and it will......it will be ALL your fault. The "OAF" doesn't want that.....as in wealth, he wants to spread the blame around too.
"Blago got in touch with his inner dirt bag"
Dennis Miller
LOL, grunt!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:40 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionyeah, we don't want what's in that bag, do we? it's brown and stinks, and is going to explode all over them!!!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
delete
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:58 ET by motherbeltdelete
Yep.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:35 ET by dborschjr68I cannot speak for the Republicans, but I would encourage them to not approve this horrid plan, definitely.
Consider: Democrats are Democrats because they don't want to be Republicans. Republicans are Republicans because they don't want to be Democrats. So we have an election, and the Dems win. At what point, knowing that Dems and Republicans are idealogically opposed, are the Republicans supposed to just say, "oh well", and side with the Dems? Or vice-versa.
These parties are enemies, period. If the GOP sides with the Dems on this issue, that would be an affrontage to Conservatives everywhere. I fully expect the GOP to oppose Mr. Obama and the Dems at every turn, and to never relent in their pursuit of morality and common-sense Conservatism.
Saying that unity is possible within Congress amongst Dems and Republicans is kinda silly. I'm just saying...
"Liberate tutume ex inferis, liberal puppets." Me.
I've e-mailed and called
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:38 ET by choselife3xI can count on my Repub (Burr), but the new Dem is 'undecided' about the 'stimulus'.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I wrote Burr the other day.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:13 ET by ricklailI wrote Burr the other day. I am not going to waste my time with Hagan. When all is said and done she'll vote with the party instead of for the folks of this great state.
Ricky Joe the Plumber
Burr's people
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:23 ET by choselife3xSaid he was voting against the stimulus. We've got to lean on people like Ensign, Crapo and Snowe.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
apparently now that o is president, it's okay to steal!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:39 ET by clinging to my guns and my religioni know it's over a week old, but did anybody see this from "dim"ocrat political strategist, donna brazile? charlie gibson and diane sawyer just thought it was soooooo funny. i was appalled!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR5FmRZdjqc
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
They damn well better follow
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:39 ET by SickofLibsThey damn well better follow suit, or else.
There is an editorial in
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:42 ET by ricklailThere is an editorial in today's Raleigh N & O on this subject that had to be one of the most uninformed views I have ever read. Here is just a taste: House Republicans chose political pettiness and self-interest over constructive action on the stimulus package.
It is no wonder people want buy their damn paper with views like this.
Ricky Joe the Plumber
That's their
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:22 ET by motherbeltThat's their story.
Democrats stand unified; Republicans march in lockstep.
Democrats stand firm on principle, Republicans choose political pettiness.
They are without shame, from the big names like NYT down to the locals.
Fox & Friends
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:44 ET by mizflame98McCain was on Fox & Friends this morning and he said that he wasn't going to support this pork bill. He even commented on the lack of partisanship by Pres. Obama when he proclaimed that he won. Now if Collins, Snowe, Grahm will follow his lead then we'll be OK. Heck, it'll be great if Liebermann fell in on the side of the GOP with this vote.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Local papers are reporting
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:06 ET by ricklailLocal papers are reporting today that our Dim senator, who lied to beat Elizabeth Dole, Kay Hagan, said that she was wavering because of the lack of infrastructure funds. In the end she will toe the party line and vote for it.
Ricky Joe the Plumber
Who cares WHY she opposes
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:09 ET by motherbeltWho cares WHY she opposes it? Hope she stays the course!!
But you're probably right.....
rick, just in case there's a chance...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:12 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...voter imput might help her decide to land on the side of reason, you - and everyone you can convince to email or phone her, too - better be all over her like white on rice!!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Ben Nelson was saying
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:15 ET by taterBen Nelson was saying similar things about how the bill doesn't help bring in jobs and is leaning against it...he's more of a moderate democrat. I think calling or emailing them about the fact we are watching how they vote and threating to take our vote away from them, might make them think twice about toeing the party line.
www.theholyrosary.org
"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia
even if we think we are...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:22 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...certain as to how they will vote, i only takes a few moments to send the email or make the phone call that might make the difference. an added bonus would be that, if we let them know how we feel and they still vote for it, we are justified in raising h*** with them!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Ricky Joe
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:18 ET by choselife3xI hate that we lost Liddy Dole. She could be depended on.
I already told Hagan she could kiss re-election good-bye if she voted for this bill.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I think we all knew Obama's
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:45 ET by dscottI think we all knew Obama's claims of bipartisanship were empty rhetoric, just like all the rest of the sales pitch he made during the campaign. If you noticed Queen Pelosi made all the choices and then rushed the legislation through with no hearings or debate. Obama is nothing more than a 5th wheel, Pelosi and to a lesser extent Reid are making all the decisions while Obama flaps his lips.
I agree with Tom Blumer on this one, the Dems are rushing this legislation to be enacted lest the economy recover on it's own and they don't get any credit for it. If the Senate GOP members have any modicum of strategic thinking, they will tie this legislation up in knots for several months by publicly making issues of each pork item one at a time to get the maximum play. The economy will not get better passing this pork barrel legislation so they really have nothing to lose in opposing it, the Dems on the other hand have much to lose by it not passing. But then McCain and Spectre were never ones for strategic thinking outside of their own self interest so I imagine it's too much to ask for out of those two.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Of course it was rhetoric
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:01 ET by motherbeltOf course it was rhetoric and disingenuous rhetoric at that.
He said he would "cobble together a coalition of people who agree...."
Are we supposed to be amazed by that?
Heck, any sixth grader can do that...it's called a "clique!"
dan & mb,
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:16 ET by R D HelmI am beginning to see some evidence that perhaps our economy is not quite as bad off as the government has led us to believe. The fact that this same government is in such a huge rush to "fix" it is not a little unsettling.
I heard Thomas Sowell on the radio the other day. He brought up the point that, following the Crash of 1929, the unemployment rate in this country stayed below 10% for an entire year. It wasn't until the federal government got involved in trying to "fix" things that it began its climb to 25%.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Senate vote
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:46 ET by dawkins30I agree 100%. I was impressed by the House Republicans for the first time in a long time. Hopefully, the Senate Republicans will not cave to Democrat pressure. Everyone can see and smell what this stimulus package really is....pork for Liberal special interests that have not one thing to do with stimulating the economy. Let the Democrats wear this stimulus package around their necks exclusively if they think it's such a great idea.
Agree!! but....
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:57 ET by reelman46The downside is there is a 80% chance that Judas John McCain will gum up the works. If sticking together-voting together is a wonderful principled thing for democrats then the same applies to the Republicans. Right?
What I like is the seeming re-appearance of Newt-like tactics...the frequent press conferences and alternate ideas...SO THEY GET TO THE PEOPLE...where have they been? Answer: Victims of Bush-McCain mush mouth wrongheaded positions. If only JM had gone home.
Thank God we are over that!
Now IF the Repubs continue to do the economic research and speak publicly over and over and over...time is always the enemy of the secular socialists...as is truth. I like.
The get-a-long shuffling spineless fossils in the Senate are always the problem...so there you go.
Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)
So far, McCain is with the
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:04 ET by motherbeltSo far, McCain is with the Republicans, according to a comment above that says he was on FNC this AM...and he even took a little dig at the President for his "I won" comment.
We shall see....
I say let the Democrats own this monster.
I was listening to Glenn Beck a bit ago, and he commented, while talking to
Rudy Giuliani, that a lot of people think this $825 or $900 billion or
whatever includes the bailouts.
If that's true, as more info
comes out and people find out that this is all in addition to the
bailout money, there is going to be a revolt!
"Everyone can see and smell
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:06 ET by celator"Everyone can see and smell what this stimulus package really is....pork
for Liberal special interests that have not one thing to do with
stimulating the economy."
You are correct. This Oink-Oink Bill will forever be the emblem for institutionalized corruption.
I am unfortunate enough to have two of the most notorious RINOs in the Senate. I will email them (again) and urge them to vote against this most massive theft of the public treasury in the history of the planet.
For liberal Democrats and the Old Media, everything is crisis, chaos, calamity and catastrophe. That justifies stealing your property and liberties.
Vote against
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:47 ET by r22weissThe Senate GOP should vote against the package for 2 reasons. 1) because they need to stand with the House GOP and 2) because it's a Horrible Bill with PORK everywhere and won't help the economy anytime soon.
Journalism - 2009
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:48 ET by GothampcMeet the new face of Journalism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrLiBp4nxyg
wow, she was trashed!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:03 ET by clinging to my guns and my religioni think it was the kool-aid!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Goldberg was right.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:22 ET by mizflame98When she was leaning against the pillar with the boots on she did look like a hooker waiting for Obama.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Grandpa woulda' said...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:17 ET by JPR1"Sonny, you ever see a woman in that condition, consider your reputation and get the heck outa' there...you ever see your wife in that condition, you'd better be in your own damn house."
This isn't a stimulus
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:52 ET by Hunter12This isn't a stimulus package. It's all the pet liberal projects and a reward for supportting President Obama during his election. There's more money for ACORN that is targetted to provide mortgage reliefs for those people who got houses they couldn't afford from Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. Talk about pouring money down a rat hole. If you really want to stimulate the economy, give tax incentives to viable startups. Maybe some of those people who can't afford a house can get a job and pay for that first little house like all the rest of us did.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Senate Republicans need to stand for fiscal responsibility
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:55 ET by Dufresne...someone sure needs to regain some sanity on this issue.
From the International Herald Tribune
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/29/business/borrow.4-419037.php
On Thursday afternoon here, a top White House adviser, Valerie Jarrett, promised that once the stimulus plan achieved its intended effect, the United States would "restore fiscal responsibility and return to a sustainable economic path."
What a startling admission. So she admits that the "stimulus" plan is fiscally irresponsible? and NOT sustainable? I bet you that we don't hear too much about this quote in the MSM.
They. had. better.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 10:58 ET by Calypso Jonesperiod.
Obama's running his mouth again
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:01 ET by BlondeLet's see, Dow began at 8063 when he started....wonder how the market's going to like his porkalicious speech?
Keep track of him for me,
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:06 ET by motherbeltKeep track of him for me, Blonde....I can't watch....
LOL, mb
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:22 ET by BlondeBiden came on and the level of collective blood pressure went through the roof....now watching Michael Fiorello on FoodTV.
No one ever asked Obama,
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:04 ET by JPR1during the campaign, how he was going to deal with the biggest problem our nation faces.
What to do about the throughly deranged leadership in congress.
The lad's got more problems than a one-armed paper hanger.
In answer to the question
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:04 ET by bigtimerIn answer to the question here on OT....
I Shout Aye!
The last straw! Illegals are in line to get "stimulated"
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:09 ET by R D HelmI heard Rush say something about this yesterday, but was unable to verify it.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
Its bad enough that the very politicians who helped put our economy in the crapper, and who are about to hit the treasury a second time for nearly $1 Trillion, are going to see that some of the loot (and that is exactly what it is) is going to be dolled out to people who shouldn't even be in this country.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I am about ready for a revolt.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Revolt?
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:14 ET by Trix RabbitThe politicians and the MSM are revoltingly stupid. So count me in and let's have another Boston tea party.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Think about how much of the
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:25 ET by Hunter12Think about how much of the money they get won't even stay in the US. Money sent from US to Mexico to support the people back home = second largest industry in Mexico, behind Oil and ahead of Tourism. How is that money going to "stimulate" the US economy? Maybe more will stay in Mexico, alleviating the load on our welfare rolls and public schools. That would help, actually.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
It's very amusing that the
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:11 ET by Trix RabbitIt's very amusing that the MSM was wondering aloud if the Repubs had lost their cojones. And now that the House Repubs have voted en masse against the Obamatron's Pork o'rama bill, they have become mean and un-bipartisan.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
The House Reps slapped him down
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:13 ET by StarAZDo I think the Senate Reps should automatically vote nay? Not necessarily. They can amend the bill there. Will these amdts pass? Can they strip out the nonsense and major policy changes needing more debate and keep the fiscal fixes, maybe some state aid, and safety net stuff to help the citizens? Ah--that would be a wise legislature indeed. But only things that differ from the House bill can be horse-traded and discussed...so the Sen version needs to be different. By the way--the banks want another two trill.
I hope they do...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:13 ET byThey need to follow the Rush Doctrine and destroy any hope of pulling out of this economic downturn. The GOP lacks any type of real leadership and has become marginalized by its own faults and misguided goals. Even Mitch McConnell said Bush was a burden to the Party! Gotta love the truth when spoken by the Senate Minority Leader!
What are they thinking? It's not as if they can control anything at this moment, I would have thought they would have at least tried to get some of the funds to their constituents in their hometowns. Now, the Democrats are going to be doling out the money to these cash strapped communities like a relief worker handing out bread to the starving masses and the Republicans are going to look like a bunch fools in the process! Great way to get support from your base as they starve to death. The Republican Party will suffer the same as the Whig Party and other failed American Parties...too bad, so sad, good riddance...Next!
Maybe the two Party system will turn out to be the Democrats vs. The Progressives!
Keep up the good work, Rush! Thanks for your support! Heck'va Job! You sure you are not on our side?
Odd Job
"Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are
serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short
span of time. But know this, America - they will be met.
On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.
On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and
false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas, that for far
too long have strangled our politics." -44
The economic genius weighs in
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:29 ET by BlondeGreat thinking, OJ. Bring on the pork, yeah, that'll fix it, while saddling every man, woman, and child in this country with debt for years...not to mention the "cost" of each job "created"....somewhere around $210 - $290K per job. You're a freaking genius.
We need dog parks and equestrian trails, and a $150M program for honey bee insurance, dammit!
I see you have great hope in the Fearless Leader's ability to "solve" something...he couldn't even solve a gazebo.
Lotsa luck with that.
You are so right...I was mistaken.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:52 ET byBlonde,
I forgot about the looting of the Stock Market and the Banks in the past year, no oversight, no leadership, heck'va job. You're right as always, the rural segments of our society won't need any help. They can depend on themselves...plenty of jobs in the Heartland. They vote for the people who look out for their best interests. Who am I to say otherwise? From a city to city, state to state allocation of monies, the feds should only help the ones who have put the most money into the system...That's why California, Texas, New York, Md/Va/Dc, Illinois, etc. are going to reap the rewards of being bailed out! Long live the Republic! Praise the Lord for the fortunes he has bestowed upon the wealthy! If your poor, you're not working hard enough.(sarc on)
Odd Job
Of course you are mistaken.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:54 ET by BlondeYou're a kool-aid drinker of the first order.
I've wasted enough of my time on you.
We need a better class of troll, here. ©
Ahhhh...just like I expected.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:04 ET byBlonde,
The hit & run. Or is that cut & run. Anyways, you've become predictable...very trollish if I must say so myself.
Odd Job
WELCOME BACK TO NEWSBUSTERS, LEON!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:42 ET by R D HelmLong time, no see!
Hey, we were wondering when you would be back to troll the threads of NB, and grace us with your presence once again.
Hope you had a nice rest. After all, getting your ass kicked repeatedly do take a toll, don't it?
See ya round the site. :-)
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Government intervention in the market caused the problem
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:21 ET by PopularTechYou don't even have a basic economic understanding of what happened.
Yes, Greenspan Did It (Stefan Karlsson, Economist)
Don't Blame Capitalism (Peter Schiff, The Washington Post)
There's No Pain-Free Cure for Recession (Peter Schiff, The Wall Street Journal)
Economic Depressions: Their Cause and Cure (Murray N. Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
Understanding the financial crisis (Video) (8min)
Your economic illiterate socialist propaganda may work with morons but not anyone educated in classical economics. If you want to really help the poor, then you will reduce the size of government and stop the socialist redistribution of wealth away from the private sector which generates REAL jobs.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
OddJob, if you think raiding the treasury to the tune of $800+..
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:43 ET by R D Helm...Billion is going to pull this country out of the economic crapper, you are more of an idiot than I previously thought.
The $700 Billion they raided it for a couple of months ago did absolutely nothing. Why will it be any different now?
Our current predicament was mainly brought about because a bunch if idiot politicians (Dodd, Frank, etc.) thought they knew how to run the mortgage industry better than the people in it.
Now, these exact same idiot politicians are telling us that they can "fix" it if we just allow them to take $800+ Billion of OUR money out of the treasury and doll it out among their constituents.
In the 1930's, government was going to "fix" things exactly the same way they are trying to do it now, and drove the unemployment rate from under 10% to 25% in the process.
I wonder how high the government, run by idiots, will push the unemployment rate this time around?
Maybe 30% this time? 40%?
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Not to mention
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:58 ET by general companyAnd this is important, a very large chunk of that money will be used to start up Gov. programs that will require further funding. This bill starts at 825-billion.
There are very few and limited opportunities in this bill, unless you have ambitions to be dependent on the Government. And as we now know many folks feel that the opportunities that are in this bill should only go to unskilled minorities, but were the racist. Go figure.
This is big time scary stuff, for everyone. Buying votes and keeping the poor dependent.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
gc, this bill is nothing more than a government power grab.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:16 ET by R D HelmAnd the more I think about it, the more I am beginning to wonder how much of this current economic downturn was an accident.
The actions of the government to date suggest to me that, just perhaps, it wasn't.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
I think you are on to something Dave
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:58 ET by general companyI have often thought that big wigs like Soros, and others, and the media puppies tanked the ecconomy porposly. The constant doom and gloom from the media certainly took its toll. Lemmings like OJ here dont seem to understand that this Adminastration does'nt care if they are succsesful, this is about dependency and keeping power. Has nothing to do with helping the citizens.
BTW, I have been talking with some of my liberal co-workers and Obama voters, and even they are shocked about the contents of this bill. Although I should add, the liberals here are not the loony left. Doesnt stop me from telling them "I told you so"!!
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
How many are without power in the Heartland?
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:16 ET byGC,
A cut here, a cut there...who needs heat?
Your votes count. Needy working class poor...it's their problem. They choose to live and work for a low wage as they continue to vote for the GOP. God help them for they do not know what they do.You should ask why God has forsaken the GOP supporters and is putting a hurt on the conservatives.
As for the Democrats, it looks like God answered their prayers, Obama and a Democratically controlled Congress. Yeah, God!
Have the lights come on, yet?
The GOP doesn't realize that God likes a winner and supports the winning side. I guess the Democrats prayed harder!
Odd Job
OddJob,
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:25 ET by R D HelmI am prety sure that right now, power companies from the surrounding areas that were not affected by the storm are sending crews in to the affected areas to restore electrical service for those who lost it.
And they are doing it without any "help" from the federal government.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Progess Energy has sent a
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:37 ET by ricklailProgess Energy has sent a bunch of crews to help out. I am hearing that you folks in Atlanta may see a touch of the same thing next week. Looks like rain only here so more crews from this area will be heading north and west to help with power outages. You are right. They are doing it without FEMA or O'bama.
Ricky Joe the Plumber
Yep...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:58 ET byrick,
God working his magic!
Odd Job
Yea ok OJ?
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:07 ET by general companyA cut here, a cut there...who needs heat?
Your votes count. Needy working class poor...it's their problem.
You and your party will continue to make sure that they stay "Needy working class poor. Do you honestly think this is about paying heating bills?
They choose to live and work for a low wage as they continue to vote for the GOP.
As usual you dont have a clue. If this was true, then how come up until the Dems took over Congress unemployment and opportunity and Gov. revenue was at historic highs.
You can continue to make a fool of yourself, but it I were you I would learn a little about your Party before you start falsely singing their praises.
Blonde is right, we need a better class troll here, you are so uninspiring
Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
'Needy working class poor'
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:35 ET by choselife3xOnly a condescending liberal @sshat uses phrases like that.
A Marine wouldn't be caught dead with that phrase in his mouth. Sob Job not only is NOT a Marine, he obviously has never even KNOWN any.
He should've pretended to be a Navy career type, a la John Kerry.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Oh really?
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:25 ET by mizflame98The GOP doesn't realize that God likes a winner and supports the winning side. I guess the Democrats prayed harder!
And you know what God likes because...?
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
The RESULTS!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:30 ET bymizflame98,
God works in mysterious ways and his works are to be enjoyed by everyone...well...for those who prayed the hardest, anyway.
Odd Job
And...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:45 ET by mizflame98...since God works in mysterious ways, you couldn't possibly know that God likes a winner. Also, not all of Gods works are enjoyed by everyone.
Ex. 1- Pharoh's men drowing in the Red Sea by the hand of God.
Ex. 2- The end result of the Tower of Babel
Ex. 3- Sodom and Gemorah.
Before you presume to know what God likes, you need to take a theology course.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Oddjobs god...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 14:06 ET by vrwc13It's obvious oddjob that your god is the god of this world...
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Corinthians 4:4
Your knowledge of how and who's prayers the God of the Bible answers is sorely lacking.
Praying the hardest doesn't do much if they aren't even heard...kind of like writing a check against an account that has not even been opened!
Because I have called and you refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded, Because you disdained all my counsel, And would have none of my rebuke.... Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me (Proverbs 1:24-25, 28).
v
Obama raises hand, lifts nation
or…
The man in the Whitehouse raises hand, sifts nation
God likes a winner? No
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:29 ET by taterGod likes a winner? No God likes those who do His will. If more people prayed we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.
And yes that means the Dems would have lost.
www.theholyrosary.org
"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia
He likes winners not whiners.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:33 ET bytater,
Take your lumps. It's God's will on what happen.
C'est le vie!
Odd Job
*laughing HYSTERICALLY*
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:40 ET by choselife3xWow, I've seen smarter, more well thought out things in my baby's diaper!!
Thanks for the laugh!
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
chose,
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:46 ET by R D HelmLOL-Are you saying that Leon here, oops, I mean OddJobb, is a dumb-sh*t?
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Dave
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:50 ET by choselife3xHmmmmm. I sense an insult to the contents of my baby's diaper....
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
The Democrats are about to give you REAL power problems
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:26 ET by PopularTechLoss of Wind Causes Texas Power Grid Emergency (Reuters)
When the wind doesn't blow (BBC)
Wind energy supply dips during cold snap (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Windmills for Suckers (PDF) (Executive Intelligence Review)
Suckers will get what they deserve, praise the lord indeed.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
There's no way in
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:48 ET by choselife3xHELL Sob Job was a Marine. Marines have BRAINS.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
One thing to realize...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:58 ET byChL3x,
...you assume way too much that Marines are all the same. I fought and almost died. I'm an American and can think for myself, thank you.
Peace and Love!
Odd Job
I just don't see anyone
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:09 ET by choselife3xWho ever fought for their country supporting someone who pisses on the military like he does. How do you justify your support for him? I'd love to hear your reasoning on the matter.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
You might want to ask some of those...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:23 ET byCL3x,
...who do not support the war in Iraq. Ask the those who came back pissed at their leaders...Check out IAVA.org. You'll find plenty of us. It's obvious to me...you only read and hear what you think is true. How about seeking the truth and stop following the rabbit down the rabbit hole, Alice. Some are calling me a "kool-aid drinker", when they are marching lockstep with the rest of the sheep and spouting out Rushisms. Baa-baa.
Odd Job
OJ
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:32 ET by choselife3xI asked for YOUR reasoning, not a link to other people's.
(I'd never listened to Rush in my life till this Monday. I tuned in to see what was upsetting Dear Leader so much) Baaaaa...yourself. Express your own opinion instead of linking.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
CL3X, Did you expect
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:50 ET by Trix RabbitCL3X,
Did you expect anything more? A troll will:
Never provide evidence for their assertions. Respond to demands for evidence the way Dracula responds to a crucifix. Change the subject. Laugh derisively. Obfuscate. Claim that evidence was already given, or given by somebody else. Never provide evidence unless it comes with an incomplete or irrelevant citation.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Trix
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:56 ET by choselife3xI was willing to hear arguments from a supposed (former) Marine. Since he falls apart rather than answer a simple question he must not be one.
How pathetic do you have to be to lie about yourself on a website?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
CL3X, Just ask Gomer for
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:00 ET by Trix RabbitCL3X,
Just ask Gomer for his unit and specialty. Then you can call bullsh*t.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Pissed on the Military? Your opinion not mine.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:52 ET byCL3x,
Depends on your perspective, doesn't it? I find the Military full of good people. It doesn't mean they are all good people. It's funny to see the conservative rail against socialism. They are more than willing to support Hundreds of thousands of troops, giving them free medical care, pensions and a host of other services for the service to the state. I went into to serve, not for handouts, just felt it was the thing to do, give back for all the things I enjoy, so to speak. Could careless whether anyone else did the same. The one thing that is disturbing is the cost and blood of those who are sacrificed by those who do not understand war. War is hell. I'm ramblin' and will stop...who gives a shit? The GOP and their stooges hide behind a facade of National Glorification and screws everyone in the process...they deserve to be thrown into the dustbin of history.
Peace and Love!
Odd Job
Yes, you were rambling
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:04 ET by choselife3xAnd you still haven't answered my question.
He openly sneers at our military's service in Iraq, implies that they are honourless civilian killers, and dissed the Medal of Honor winners.
FACTS.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Geez OJ
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 14:15 ET by general companyThey are more than willing to support Hundreds of thousands of troops, giving them free medical care, pensions and a host of other services for the service to the state.
Is this what you are so pissed about? You could had donated it to a worthy cause, like peta, or planned parenthood, or urban renewal, or acorn.
You realy should stop, you are prooving to be a lot more then just uninformed.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
but choselife is right, oj
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:06 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionthere are many, many examples of instances when he snubbed our military in favor of less honorable pursuits - for one - playing basketball. also, it is common knowledge that defense spending is slated for the chopping block, but pork will be in abundance in the "stimulus" package. i could inundate you with links, but somehow i don't think that would help. thank you for your service. that said, we don't feed trolls here on nb.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Here's the difference between the Millitary and Socialism
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:06 ET by mizflame98Socialism is forced poverty, forced substandard care, forced service to the nation, and forced dependence for all.
Serving in the millitary is a voluntary action and while one serves they receive benefits like many jobs. Once you leave before being eligible for retirement the benifits end.
I hope that clears things up for you.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
I can't believe I'm replying to myself,
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:26 ET by choselife3xBut OJ doesn't seem to answer questions.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
no worries, cl3x
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:33 ET by BlondeOddJob is displaying typical troll behavior....obviously a n00b.
Spam a thread with alot of talking points and invective....dodge and weave, never answer, change the subject, and ask numerous off point questions (see power outage stupidity, above).
I'm thinking maybe another two weeks until flame-out.
Don't waste any more of your time on this one.
We need a better class of troll, here. ©
There you go again...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:56 ET byBlonde,
[sniffling]
Please stop hitting me.
[sniffle]
Your words hurt my feelings.
[sniffle]
You're so mean.
I pray to God to take your hatred and turn it into love.
Kisses,
Odd Job
Geez
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:18 ET by BlondeThree posts from me and you're in a puddle on the floor crying.
Pathetic.
We need a better class of troll, here. ©
CL3X, You really should
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:01 ET by Trix RabbitCL3X,
You really should give him the benefit of doubt. Maybe he was a Marine, you know, the Gomer Pyle type who was in Transportation (bus driver) or Services (the guy who passes out towels in the gymnasium).
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Trix
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:12 ET by choselife3xI thought they called those guys the Army.
*ducking, running for cover* Just kidding, Army people, just kidding!!!
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Please explain to me OJ.......how......
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:54 ET by BEGRUNTyou SPEND your way to prosperity???? How can a broke homeless man spend his way to become a millionaire????
"Blago got in touch with his inner dirt bag"
Dennis Miller
BEG, you have to realize that OJ is a product of government...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:20 ET by R D Helm...schools.
The government took over our educational system for a reason, and that was to produce "citizens" who will go along with whatever the government does, and keep their mouths shut.
The last thing government wants are people who dare question its motives.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Brilliant idea, OJ! Steal
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:23 ET by fitzfongBrilliant idea, OJ! Steal more money from the productive taxpayers to hand out to non-taxpayers and make yourselves "look good" in the eyes of the non-taxpayers. Then steal more money from productive taxpayers to give non-taxpayers free cable boxes and jimmy hats. Then steal more money from productive taxpayers to re-sod the Capitol Mall...this after stealing hundreds of millions of productive taxpayer dollars to build an edifice in D.C. because Harry Reid doesn't like the smell of tourists. And this is supposed to grow the economy, how? Do yourself a favor, before making a complete ass out of yourself again, try breaking open a textbook and learn some Economics. Provided you can read, you might learn something valuable...and you won't sound like such an economically-illiterate, arrogant buffoon. Or, you can simply continue to marinate in your ignorance and expect those of us who are productive to continue giving panhandlers like you more of our hard-earned money. Good luck with that plan.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -Winston Churchill
Economic Illiterate OddJob Strikes Again
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:17 ET by PopularTechYour economic illiteracy is astounding OddJob. Government spending cannot help the economy, "stimulus" has never worked in the past, it did not work in the '30s, it did not work when Japan tried it in the '90s and it did not work when Bush tried it last year. The only thing that can work is to reduce the size of government, cut taxes and remove regulations.
Arrogant Conceit: Obama Thinks He Can Reform The Economy (John Stossel, ABC News)
Economic Illiteracy Is Not the Change We Need (Art Carden, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Keynesian Economics Is Wrong: Bigger Goverment Is Not Stimulus (Video) (Daniel J. Mitchell, Ph.D. Economics)
Obamas So-Called Stimulus: Good For Government, Bad For the Economy (Video) (Daniel J. Mitchell, Ph.D. Economics)
Over 300 Economists Oppose the Stimulus Package (Cato Institute)
There Is No Santa: The Stimulus Spending Ruse (Walter Williams, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
10 Reasons to Oppose a Stimulus Package for the States (PDF) (Chris Edwards, M.A. Economics)
$646,214 Per Government Job (Alan Reynolds, A.B. Economics)
An 8.3% Deficit Is Plenty of Stimulus (Philip I. Levy, Ph.D. Economics)
'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years (Stephen Moore, M.A. Economics)
Bailouts and Stimulus Plans (Eugene F. Fama, Ph.D. Professor of Finance)
Can Fiscal Stimulus Revive the US Economy? (Frank Shostak, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
Does "Depression Economics" Change the Rules? (Robert P. Murphy, Ph.D. Economics)
Don't Jump the Gun on Stimulus Plans (Russell Roberts, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Econ 101: That Old-Time Keynesian Theory (Gary Wolfram, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Economic Stimulus and Other Outdated Quackery (Jon Sanders, M.A. Economics)
'Economy like an airplane. It needs to refuel' (Craig R. Smith, CEO of Swiss America Trading Corporation)
Faith-Based Economics (Alan Reynolds, A.B. Economics)
False Hopes for Tax Relief and Fiscal Stimulus (D.W. MacKenzie, Ph.D. Economics)
From John Law to John Maynard Keynes (Steve H. Hanke, Ph.D. Professor of Applied Economics)
Government Spending Is No Free Lunch (Robert J. Barro, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Government Spending Makes Recessions Worse (Dominick T. Armentano, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
Government Stimulus Means Growing Federal Debt Burdens to Come (Richard M. Ebeling, Professor Emeritus of Economics)
Learning from Japan: Infrastructure Spending Won't Boost the Economy (Ronald D. Utt, Ph.D. Economics)
Let's Stimulate Private Risk Taking (Alberto Alesina, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Paving Projects Won’t Boost Economy (William F. Shughart II, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Stimulus Plans Don't Work (Alan Schram, Managing Partner of Wellcap Partners)
The Economic "Stimulus" (Thomas Sowell, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
The Fiscal Stimulus: What Will Work? (Bruce Bartlett, Former Treasury Department Economist)
The Latest Reported Bankruptcy: Mainstream Economics (Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
The Obama Stimulus Plan Won't Work (Dominick T. Armentano, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
The Optimum Government (Richard W. Rahn, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
The Troubling Return of Keynesianism (PDF) (Ike Brannon, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
The World Won't Buy Unlimited U.S. Debt (Peter Schiff, President of Euro Pacific Capital)
There's No Pain-Free Cure for Recession (Peter Schiff, President of Euro Pacific Capital)
We Can't Spend Our Way out of This Quagmire (Lawrence H. White, Ph.D. Professor of Economic History)
What Do the New Deal and World War II Tell Us About the Prospects for a Stimulus Package? (Price V. Fishback, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
What Is Economic Stimulus? (Richard W. Rahn, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
hey, tech....
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 18:32 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionpermission to re-post, please?
great work!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Feel free
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:34 ET by PopularTechWith everything I post.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
thanks! i won't...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:50 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...take credit for all your hard work. you certainly deserve that!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
I know my Senators are split
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:18 ET by auldsailor362The only real question is if the Repub. will roll over. Sherrod Brown is so far in the tank he will vote for "re-education camps" when they come up. George Voinovich is always a moving target, and one hopes that, since he has already declared he will retire, he votes his guts..but who knows?
Either vote as a 'conservative'
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:18 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnsonand show the difference between the philosophies or between now and the next election cycle the RNC should find and FUND a replacement for the RINO.
I don't donate because the RNC keeps funding RINOs instead of finding BETTER PEOPLE for the position.
Bipartisan No Vote
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:30 ET by slickwillie2001The best we can hope for is not a NO vote from Republicans, but a bi-partisan NO vote from the Senate. To do that we need to get at least a couple of Democratic Senators to vote NO as well as all the Republicans.
That will be the equivalent of what happened in the House.
Whole-heartedly!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:31 ET by BKeyserWhole-heartedly!
Cable news ratings
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:37 ET by ricklailI was looking at the cable news ratings over at Drudge if I remember correctly. Can anyone tell me if Hannity's ratings have gone up since they dumped that nimrod Alan Colmes? I know he beat the crap out of Madow and Larry King on his debut-something like double the ratings of both shows combined.
Ricky Joe the Plumber
Hey rickl... That is a
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:46 ET by bigtimerHey rickl...
That is a good question.
I'm curious now too.
I saw the numbers on Drudge also this morning....I never thought about that regarding Hannity's show.
Inquiring minds want to know.
I like
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:47 ET by general companyHannity's new show, kinda funny and to the point. Really like Becks new show as well,
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I AGREE
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:53 ET by gopcongressThere has been no more blatant attack on the American way of life from a legislative and executive level in the history of the country, at least to this magnitude. I don't wish to get into the magnitude of liberal tendency to exagerate issues, but I do consider this initial financial vote equivalent to a "Financial 9-11" that we have to negate just as vehemently to as we did in 2001. I would go so far as to filibuster this particular legislation if we don't get any democrats to come to our side. Thank GOD Chambliss held out.
No Republican should vote for this obscene spending bill
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 11:59 ET by kevinm13Republicans can send a message to the new President that he doesn't have the support of the Republican representatives. Still doesn't stop the Dims from pushing this obscene spending through. Alternatives need to be put out there or this will be swept under the rug.
We can't afford the spending that is being proposed. Stop government excesses now.
Kevin... You are right of
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:09 ET by bigtimerKevin...
You are right of course.
No real republican would vote for this Bill.
Like I said yesterday somewhere, we don't know that all Dem's are going to be for this either...
Going to be interesting to see if the Fearless Leader Reid can keep them all behind him...
Pelosi and the House had some dissenters. ;-)
I can hope.
Let alone call when the time is right...more than once mind you, plenty of Senators to call when all the amendments come up for a vote, let alone we don't know yet what the final Bill will look like yet.
Going to be interesting.
Heard on the Senate floor
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:09 ET by ricklailI heard that Dingy Harry commented that Obama needed to have more cocktail parties to win over Republicans. Ted Kennedy quickly stood and said "I'll drink to that!"
Ricky Joe the Plumber
I thought he said
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:49 ET by general company"I'll drink to that!"
"Can I come too"?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I hate to change the subject but...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:14 ET by mizflame98How come the MSM isn't focusing on this double-standard? Also, why is it that every time a picture is taken of Biden near a woman it makes him look like he's hitting on her?
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
because they are blind to the double standard
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 12:57 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionbesides, axelrod explaining biden's actions is a lot like a cobra justifying a rattlesnake bite to the guy who's just been bitten. (poor simile, but you get my drift!)
yeah, he looks like a letch in that picture, but i hear that makes her feel right at home!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Yes they shouldd oppose it and say exactly why.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:16 ET by nwahsYes they should oppose it a state exactly why - its politics as usual. There is so much in the bill that has nothing to do with stimulus, and the Dimocrats are using the economy slump as a tool to ram this through.
I'll count on 40
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:19 ET by RESTLESS 1I'm not putting my money on John McCain.
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I think
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 13:26 ET by choselife3xA$$Hatch, Snowe, and Ensign are the weak links. McCain has spent too much time railing against pork to support this bill.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
"A$$Hatch, Snowe, and
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 14:52 ET by ckc1227"A$$Hatch, Snowe, and Ensign are the weak links. McCain has spent too much time railing against pork to support this bill."
Didn't he vote for a rescue bill a couple of months ago that the senate loaded up with pork, just days after making pork a huge issue on the campaign trail, claiming he would be a pork-buster if elected?
Cost his sorry butt
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:00 ET by choselife3xThe election.
I think he panicked and tried to be 'popular'.
I'm no McCain apologist, just going on what I heard about him on this bill.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
The horsetrading has begun
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 14:10 ET by StarAZAccording to
this:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123332897909033591.html?mod=article-outset-box
Republicans have started to fiddle with the bill...I wasn't overly impressed with these approaches, though. They need to amend it to get stupid stuff out or worded differently so it's conference-able.
Obama Misteps
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 14:19 ET by TigerSo far he has appointed a tax cheat as Treasury Secretary, an ethically impaired Secretary of State, a dimwit for Attorny General, a dedicated abortionist as his deputy, an activist socialist to be his Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change, and a union organizer as Secretary of Labor. He has also proposed a trillion dollar boondogle that could damage the United States economy for decades. At a time when American business needs to become more efficient and productive, Obama is imposing obstacles to their recovery. He has now set government thugs to stand behind union thugs to intimidate non-union workers and businesses. He is set to nationalize the banking industry after government destroyed it. Obama is prepared to sign the Democrat's SCHIP bill as the first step toward government run healthcare and its destruction. Obama's proposals will prolong and intensify the recession.
Obama is poised to make every mistake Bush did and then some more. Will the MSM notice?
Obama's policies are threats to America and if he succeeds, America will fail. If Obama fails, America succeeds.
Tiger... You got the
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 14:22 ET by bigtimerTiger...
You got the bases covered here pretty danged well.
I love your last lines...don't know if it's your tag-line or not, but...
They sum it all up to a tee!
Tag Lines
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 15:39 ET by TigerEnjoy
Under feudalism, all that was produced belonged to the feudal lord. Under socialism, all that is produced belongs to the state. If Democrats want to send us to a middle age economy, why do they call themselves progressive?"
The outcome of free enterprise is shared wealth. The outcome of socialism is shared poverty.
If you like what Democrats have done for public education and the mortgage industry, your going to love what they will do for health care.
The boy is dumb as a Democrat and just as mean.
Your kidding right Tiger?
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:54 ET by general companyObama is poised to make every mistake Bush did and then some more. Will the MSM notice?
Heck yea they will notice, they are accomplices.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
It's Steele
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:21 ET by JDWRNC Chair: Steele
JDW
DAILY WAVE
Whatever else you think, your mother and my mother are both mothers
Right ON!!!!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:29 ET by mizflame98Congratulations to Mr. Steele. Now, time to clean up the party and knock some sense into the Rinos.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
misflame...I'm hoping
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 16:34 ET by bigtimermizflame...
I'm hoping so.
Good luck BT. Steel is
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:30 ET by bassndudeGood luck BT. Steel is aginst the death penalty, for affirmative action. I mean, we have Obama as President and we still need affirmative action?? He has a lot of good views, but I will with hold my approval for now. He is, after all, a moderate conservative. That is the same mold as is McCain. I dont think he is going to do the party much good.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Howdy bass... Hey, I'm
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:35 ET by bigtimerHowdy bass...
Hey, I'm with you buddy.
They had a poll here awhile back about who we wanted to win, I have my issues with Steele too.
We aren't alone....but we are in the minority, but heck, that's nothing new to me, I was regarding McC from the beginning.
It's not like I don't pay attention to what he says on various shows ect...heck, I'm a political junkie...as you well know.
That's why I said in the post above....I'm hoping so.
Good seeing you here.
DRILL BABY DRILL
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:11 ET by GothampcPlease Michael, we're begging you, take names and kick butt. We can't survive as a Democrat-Lite Party. We must go back to real Conservative ideas and stand firm. No bi-partisan crap, no "hands across the aisle, kum-ba-ya". We have the best ideology and we must implement it.
Goth... Couldn't agree
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 17:37 ET by bigtimerGoth...
Couldn't agree more.
I do not want to hear how we all need to join hands and be inclusive and sing kumbaya one more time.
We need a conservative fighter...all the way.
My Senator's Reply to Porkalicious
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 18:03 ET by BlondeThis just in from Senator Bill Nelson:
Well....you can imagine my reply to this liberal pap!!!!
blonde, i got the exact same canned response from nelson!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 18:27 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion"narrowly targeted" my behind!!!
below is a portion of the response i received from martinez, and i cannot even tell where he stands. fence-straddling at its best!
"As you know, our economy is facing a number of serious challenges--many of which involve housing, an acute issue in our state. As the Senate considers additional proposals aimed at growing our economy, including the possibility of a second stimulus bill, I will keep your thoughts in mind. I will continue to work with my colleagues to find ways to use the resources of the federal government in a reasonable and responsible manner in order to mitigate future losses and put our housing and financial markets on the pathway to recovery."
so my response to his response: "huh?"
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
clinging....
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 18:32 ET by BlondeI wrote to Mel too, but so far, no reply....he probably couldn't figure out whether I was a (R) or an enemy, LOL....cause I think he's a RINO and I probably wasn't very nice.
What kind of wishy washy BS is this we are getting back from our elected officials, eh?
THROW THE BUMS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no more martinez
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 18:38 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionhe's seen the handwriting on the wall and is not seeking re-election. who do you like for his seat? jeb says he won't run, but i think he could take it if he did.
i have not and would NEVER vote for bill nelson, astronaut service not with-standing.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Nothing good.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 18:49 ET by BlondeMaybe Ileana Ros-Letenin (sp?).
Of course, the dem candidates are coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches for Martinez's seat....Meeks, Ron Klein....the ever yucky and gross Rob Wexler (D-Md).
Bill Nelson was a Senator when he rode the rocket....not the other way around. He's a democrat, pure and simple...took advantage of the system. He deserves the astronaut suit about as much as John F'ing does.
Florida has turned into a wasteland of dems....and Charlie Crist better just STFU! RINO trash.
yeah, i know he took advantage of the system to go on the ride.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 18:57 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionit's just that when i was a little girl, astronauts were heroes and i have a hard time getting past that, lol!
we simply cannot let a dim have martinez' seat! that's why we need a really strong candidate. i wonder if katherine harris could take it. i can't remember, but i don't think her numbers against nelson were too shabby. (i'm a little prejudiced; her grandpa and my grandpa were good friends and i thought my grandpa hung the moon, lol!) i need to do some research, i suppose.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Kat's grampa
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:00 ET by Blondemay have been a grand guy....but she's got a couple of strikes.
#1....She "stole" the election (not really, but it's popular lore)
#2....She has a bad reputation.
#3.....She's mean as a snake.
ben hill griffin WAS a peach
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:07 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionyeah, i don't know if she could crawl out from under all the 2000 election "chads". still, there has to be someone out there in the the whole of florida who can pick up the ball and run with it. research, research...
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Ben Hill Griffin
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:09 ET by BlondeMASTER OF THE UNIVERSE!
Best stadium in the world is named after him.....also known as...."THE SWAMP".
If you're not a Gator....you're GATOR BAIT!
i kinda thought...
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:17 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...that name might mean something to you, lol! i can remember as a tiny girl my grandpa taking me to the annual florida orange growers' association meetings in orlando at the tupperware center on the orange blossom trail. mr. griffin would always be there, and would speak to me as if he actually remembered me from year to year. he had a way of making everyone feel special. i was very lucky; my grandpa was the same way. ok, i really digress...lol.
"we are the boys (girls) from ole florida. f-l-o-r-i-d-a!" GO GATORS!!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Sigh!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:35 ET by RukusYeah, you snarfed up my Tide pretty good.
Gary
Sorry Al, I've used up my allotment of "give a crap!"
condolences, rukus!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:46 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionyou'll get 'em next year, right? not!! sorry, but i just can't not gloat, lol. the tide will rise again, rukus. it just wasn't your year.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Thanks
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 20:17 ET by RukusWe actually did rise again in '08. 10-2 isn't bad at all in the SEC! BTW, I was rootin' hard for the Gators all the way in the NC! They done good!!! Congrats good lady!
Gary
Sorry Al, I've used up my allotment of "give a crap!"
thanx for the cheers!
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 20:27 ET by clinging to my guns and my religiony'all did have a great run, and it's looking good for you next year, too. lots of returnees, right?
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Wow, I missed this SEC stuff
Sat, 01/31/2009 - 09:13 ET by BlondeRuk...thanks for the props for our Gators...and good luck to Bama next year.
I'm really glad to see Bama is back in the SEC West, it's a great program, rich with tradition.
See you around December 10th, next year!
Gator Lady
Sun, 02/01/2009 - 12:54 ET by RukusYou betcha!
Gary
Sorry Al, I've used up my allotment of "give a crap!"
Nice to send stuff, the only thing that happens is NOW they have
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 18:48 ET by upcountrywaterYOUR EMAIL.. Thats it, some place to send their SPAM..
As if any congress kook will ever read anything sent... extra work, Oh hell no!
If I'm wrong then PLEASE send me a PERSONAL letter, email, as proof that congress really cares.
BTW No more hellfire missles landing in Pakistan..
FREEDOM
(D)
UpC
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 18:51 ET by BlondeI'm glad they have my personal e-mail.
Every time they spam me...I can spam right back.
"Quit being a bird-brain...."DO THE RIGHT THING!"
28 years in a deep blue state, has fu**ed me up.
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 19:00 ET by upcountrywaterAt least when I lived in Colorado, things could be, changed with some hard work..
Here with RINO Lingle, wanting everything green, flush logic.
Glad you have some fire to blast off some emails, go for it.
BTW, i left a comment on your forum blog 3 dazes ago
FREEDOM
(D)
"So far he has appointed a
Fri, 01/30/2009 - 21:32 ET by ckc1227"So far he has appointed a tax cheat as Treasury Secretary, an ethically impaired Secretary of State, a dimwit for Attorny General, a dedicated abortionist as his deputy, an activist socialist to be his Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change, and a union organizer as Secretary of Labor."
And it gets even better:
"Obama's HHS Secretary Nominee Faces Tax Questions Over Car and Driver"
One more tax cheat for the pile, lol.