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Governors of five U.S. states urged the federal government to provide $1 trillion in aid to the country's 50 states to help pay for education, welfare and infrastructure as states struggle with steep budget deficits amid a deepening recession. The governors of New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Ohio and Wisconsin -- all Democrats -- said the initiative for the two-year aid package was backed by other governors and follows a meeting in December where governors called on President-elect Barack Obama to help them maintain services in the face of slumping revenues.

Will bailout nation ever end?

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Bailout nation

has become a joke. George W. created a monster by allowing the bailout ball to get rolling. Now Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc., will blame him for the continued economic mess as they keep the ball rolling with more and more bailouts. If there are any perceived successses from these new bailouts, even though it will devalue our dollar even more and stick our children and grandchildren with a debt never heard of before, the Democrats will be to take the credit.

I'm not sure about the

I'm not sure about the rest of the states, but New York and New Jersey have their steep deficits as a result of corruption, gross financial mismanagement, leaders pushing a socialist agenda the state budget can't afford, and mass patronage hiring.  I guess its to be expected that the leaders of these states don't have the character to admit that their policies have failed.  These states are swimming in red ink despite the fact that their citizens pay some of the highest state and county taxes in the country.  Now Paterson and Corzine  want the rest of the country to pay as well, rather than make the necessary cuts to live within their means.  With the new administration, they'll likely find a receptive audience for soaking the rest of America.

 

"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula." -Muhammad

Your list is exactly what

Your list is exactly what has happened in my liberal democrat state for the past 40 years.

We are so broke our democrat governor was seen on a street corner last weekend with a tin cup begging for pennies.

 

→ As noted yesterday

These Five Little Pigs should check Sharia law as to whether it is abomination to impersonate a porker.

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→ Israel blasting away

Having dropped copious quantities of leaflets warning civilians, Israel is now shelling Ham-ass with artillery fire and aerial kaboomers.

I just wonder how many Palestinians have bothered to learn how to read.

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Hey politicians, here's an

Hey politicians, here's an idea: Cut spending on social programs and frivolous projects and services, cut pork, and stick to balanced budgets. And while you're at it, shut your freakin' pie-holes! 

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." --Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon," 1942

dem govenors with their hands out

Wasn't this country founded on the basis of federalism? Weren't states supposed to be independent political entities? Are we now moving, as the size and scope of the national government increases to a provincial system, like France? My bad, that's what the left has wanted us to do for years. Will we get nukes for power if we do?

"Maintain Services" means

"Maintain Services" means maintan the lifestyle of the double dipping state employees! "Slumping Revenues" will be solved by raising MY taxes. Now that I've lost 25% of my IRA, my home is down 20% in value and at the tender age of 71, I and a lot of seniors were FORCED to sell some of our IRA in a down market via the RMD! What makes Corzine think that after all that, that I have money to support a state highway employee sleeping in his truck!

→ Sorry billb

Sorry this downturn (crash) has dealt you such a heavy triple blow.

What we fail to address is the need for retirees to have more autonomy over their own money and possessions.

There is absolutely no reason the Government should have a say in what you do with your IRA.

My favorite seldom spoken of hypocrisy is Social Security.  It's statistically factual that African American men won't live to cash in on much of it while I, a white male with no inherited genetic disease predispositions, can expect to live well into my nineties.

Democrats insist on supporting white retirees on the backs of blacks.  It's the same Plantation mentality except now it's "nuanced" Democrats love "nuance".

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A while.

The bailout will end as soon as the idiots in charge drive us straight into another Great Depression.  I vote calling it the Fantasic Depression, because it took fantastic idiocy to get us there.

The bailouts will end specifically when conservatives, true conservatives, get into power and reverse all the policies, regulation, pork, and tax rates that currently burden the taxpayer and investor.

It's literally going to take the U.S. Federal Government to go into bankruptcy before we get back on track, because only then will the Nanny State be unable to continue coddling able yet unwilling people who contribute nothing of productive value but suck at socialisms teat. 

 

Sarah Palin/Jason Lewis 2012

Obama, pathological nacissist: http://www.faithfree...

Will bailout nation ever end?

Sure it will, when somebody reaches into the U.S. Treasury and snatches the last dollar held within.

I don't suppose it has even occurred to any of these idiot governors to actually reduce spending, has it?

Oh, but that would actually make sense.

I fear we are watching our country being bled to death right before our eyes, and there seems little or nothing we can actually do to put a stop to it. It appears that no one is actually in charge, and the rats are scurrying hither and yon, snatching up what they can of the remaining crumbs, just before the good ship America slides beneath the waves.

Somehow, it seems waiting for 2012 to right the ship will be too late.

Sad, this is.

-Dave

“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -Because enough is enough.

"Walk towards the lighter"

Forget the bailout, the economy, the national debt, mandatory government healthcare, the obesity epidemic, terrorism, global warming, the ME war and a neo-com in the WH.

Yes boys and girls, we have a bigger crisis on our hands that demands our immediate attention. Third-hand smoke! Yes, experts agree....

→ That's scary Rackie

What's next?  I've developed an affinity for barbacoa & bean burritos.  Should I be worried about my grandchildren's health?

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Has anyone else noticed

that there are alot of (D)'s looking for MORE money? I wonder why?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

→ Ds begging for money

Having done nothing in life to earn money, it's natural for them to acquire it the only way they know.

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(D)

obviously stands for "dollars".

As in, "as a (D), I have no understanding, nor respect, for capitalism, and I do not see the corrolation that the most financially strapped industries are located in (D) states, and that (D) states are also the ones with the most financial difficulty. Now give me your children's money, you greedy capitalists. I have people to make dependent on me and my rampant stupidity."

This is what the slide into socialism looks like

Once we bail-out certain 'key' corporations in certain 'key' sectors, how can we stop there? Most people do not understand economics and simply see 'free money' being created and given to others so they want their 'fair share' too. Eventually the Federal Government is going to end up running one or all of the auto companies and there will be far fewer, but much larger, financial institutions all of which will be partially owned and run by the Federal Government. Soon the US will be economically indistinguishable from the old Soviet Union or current communist China. 

The current path of bailing out companies who are 'too big to fail' will only succeed in creating monopolies or near monopolies and even bigger corporations. Letting the free market work and allowing insolvent corporations to fail creates a market place of more but smaller companies and allows the better ones to thrive and become bigger.

By bailing out and sustaining GM and Ford and Chrysler we are likely preventing new smaller companies from being able to enter the market with new alternative fuel vehicles and new ideas of manufacturing and marketing. We are likely preventing the very shift that the government is spending hundreds of millions trying to "incentive-ize".

Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!

Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012

Not sliding into

More like rapidly sinking into socialism.

Weep for our children and grandchildren, who will have to pay for the indulgences of the witless and inept.

Has anyone been watching

Has anyone been watching the MSM headlines regarding the current conflict between Hamas and Israel?  Since it began, the headlines on lefty stations like CNN and MSNBC are reliably pro-Hamas/anti-Israel, which seems pretty congruent with anti-Israeli stance of most lefty people I talk to.

It would be interesting to see a transcendant study on the media's behavior over the lifetime of this conflict.  It's funny that Israel has to begin operating its own media outlet because it doesn't trust most media to be fair, at least be fair in their eyes.

"Boats are safe in the harbor, but that's not what they're made for." -- Maritime quote

→ Yes and No Lighthouse

I'm strictly watching FOX.  They're presenting both sides without preaching the truth too heavy handedly.

The Hamas representative they are interviewing regularly is making a fool of himself without any help from the reporters.

Most of it is factual movements by troops and potential pitfalls of an Israeli incursion as they align tanks on the border.

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I've been watching Fox News

I've been watching Fox News too, who of course isn't lefty and likewise don't have the requisite pro-Hamas leanings.

I'm tuning in more recently as Israeli troops are actually in the Gaza strip.

"Boats are safe in the harbor, but that's not what they're made for." -- Maritime quote

Let us not forget

that Obama's protectors at YouTube pulled anything the Israelis were trying to show to the world that they are justified doing what they are doing: protecting themselves. Michael Savage had surveillance video of Hamas thugs loading bombs into trucks.

I can help Ted Strickland bail out Ohio

Ted is the idiot who wanted approval to put over half of the state's children on the eligibility list for S-CHIPS and whined and pouted when he wasn't allowed to.  Actually, the reason Ted wanted to raise it is because he can't get all of the qualified people to sign up now.

If Ted wants to bail out Ohio, he can resign.  A two for one victory!! Ohio wins and the treasury is saved. 

"What experience and history teach is
this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history,
or acted on principles deduced from it."


G. W. F. Hegel

→ Historian

He doesn't sound nearly as hapless as the Governor who provided Socialist Healthcare for the entire State of Massachussets.

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Nor, is he the

"financial" 'jeanless' we have in the Garden State - Jon Cortizone is clueless on how to trim the fat - he has actually said that he would NOT layoff state workers, 'cause they then would NOT havehealth insurance - ah, Jon, where do do think ALL the money is going? That, and 3 weeks of vacation and 14 or so holidays - wonder where the 'production' comes into play?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

The Obamas found a place to stay in DC!

Despite the eeevil Bush Administration denying the Obamas early use of Blair house, the Obamas found a place to stay and they don't have to pay any personnal bucks! Ain't that grand!

Meanwhile back on the farm,

Meanwhile back on the farm, Compean and Ramos sit in their cells..

I have lost all respect for Bush..

Do the right thing you jack a$$..

Stop bailing out every $hit kicker company that comes along and turn these men loose.

If Obama had two IQ numbers to rub together he will turn them loose and make Bush look like a fool.

 

Bush just turned Aregood loose and his crime: (this is just too good to make up)... convicted of conspiring to transport and harbor illegal aliens. I kid you not!!!!!!

 

Come on Bush! We supported you!

My Mom supported Bush so much she was invited to one of the inaugural balls, now she is totally disgusted with him.

 

What in the hell happed????

 

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

A random thought

Would anyone else here care to join me in saying that Jennifer Griffin is the BEST reporter on television?

She's been anchoring Fox all day during the Israeli move into Gaza....she is so knowledgeable, she knows the experts she's interviewing live on air, she asks on-point questions.

In sum, she's BLOODY COMPETENT!

I know she's not the typical Fox pretty blonde...but whoa, she is good!

<edit>  She's not good...she's great!

 

Lazy Saturday Evening Chat

Lazy Saturday Evening Chat

 

Same Bat time.  Same Bat channel.  ;-)

Grrrr

Stoopid BlackBerry. I gotta get me a real computer. Stomp Stomp Stomp SLAM

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Being pc, wouldn't that

then become an AABerry?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

NEWS FLASH: Buggy Whip Makers Demand Bailout!

NEWS FLASH: Buggy Whip Makers Demand Bailout!

An industry that, for all practical purposes died almost 100 years ago, has arisen like a Phoenix from the ashes and is now demanding part of the TARP bailout money.

With the introduction of the auto industry decades ago to the American way of life, a number of industries that pertained to “travel by horse” fell by the wayside. No longer needed, at least in vast quantities, were businesses like buggy whip, dung bag, blinder and mane tassle makers. Because people were now buying and traveling in modernistic and highly popular automobiles, the previous mentioned businesses quickly succumbed to low demand. Not only was the civilian population falling in love with “travel by automoble”, but the military, formerly very horse-centric, was now converting to gas-powered machinery. The Jeep is a good example of the conversion process. Military vehicles would ultimately be converted to civilian use. Note the HumVee. Most men would really enjoy getting a Hummer.

Surprisingly, the blinder industry has enjoyed a resurgence in their business because of the growth of the Democratic party. However, while there is still minor demand in the recreational equestrian field, most companies in the other industries have almost completely passed away.

But now, the defunct buggy-whip union known as SMAC (Society for Making Animals Cringe), has reformed in an effort to plead their case in Congress. The union leaders are demanding a share of the bailout money because they say there is no difference whether a business goes out of business today, or 100 years ago. "We’re all Americans, and we should all receive our share of governmental largesse." The union is demanding funds for retraining, retirement/medical benefit extensions and extravagant parties in Las Vegas. Retraining would allow the former buggy whip employees to move into the ever expanding and popular auto industry…er…strike that… Correction, retraining would allow the workers to learn to speak Spanish and Chinese. The workers could then travel to Mexico and China to learn the latest in manufacuring methods used to produce cheap little plastic thingees for practically nothing, and then sell them to America for exorbitant prices.

Details to follow in updates as they occur…

UPDATE: A law suit has just been filed against the SMAC union by PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals). The union quickly responded by changing their name to SMAC (Society for Motivating Animals Creatively)

→ Escape From Hamas

Bill Hemmer has a show starting right now on FOX News about the son of a Hamas leader who changed his way of thinking in prison.

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