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[H]undreds of hedge funds will go bust and stock markets may soon have to shut – perhaps for as long as a week – in order to stem the panic selling now sweeping the world...The announcement of the US government’s $700 billion bailout, Gordon Brown’s grand bank rescue plan and the coordinated response of governments around the world has done little to calm the situation. “It’s been a slaughter, day after day after day,” said Roubini... “Even using the nuclear option of guaranteeing everything, providing unlimited liquidity, nationalising the banks, making clear that nobody of importance is going to be allowed to fail, even that has not helped. We are reaching a breaking point, frankly.” He believes governments will have to come up with an even bigger international rescue, and that the US is facing “multi-year economic stagnation”.

If you really want to get scared, you should read the entire piece about Nouriel Roubini, the New York economics professor that accurately predicted the current financial industry collapse, and sees things getting much worse. Is he right?

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will get worse

Government guarantees are only as good as long as the government can keep printing money. See 1930s Germany.

 

Yeah, but...

Consider that by the time the German economy was tanking, it was under the strain of the worldwide recession and the insane stipulations of the Treaty of Versailles pushed mainly by the French. The German couldn't have bailed itself out, there simply wasn't anything to work with and their main creditor (France) was bloodthirsty.

and?

Are we not facing an international recession ourselves? Keep on thinking "that won't happen in America." Six months ago if I told you the government would be about to socialize the financial industry you would have laughed.

In fact, I'm not a Ron Paul supporter, but he was the only one talking about this in the primaries and he was basically laughed off the stage during debates.

»→ candance

I listened to Ron Paul's words on the economy, and avoided significant loss (20%) as a result.

All that nonsense I was reading about "In for the long haul" didn't make sense from an immediate standpoint.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

We part ways here

Sorry...still not in favor of wasting a great resource on currency like Ron Paul so aches to in violation of Gresham's Law.  (Yes, I read where you said you are not a Ron Paul supporter...but his cure for EVERYTHING IMAGINABLE is a gold standard, which, in my view, will only cause us to waste a great, valuable resource.)

The ONLY way to force the government to stop borrowing vast sums of cash will be to get a Balanced Budget Amendment ratified.  Good luck seeing that happen with a Socialist running the country. 

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

Apple Opposes Prop 8

Anyone catch the lead article at http://www.Apple.com/startpage/?

October 24, 2008

No on Prop 8

"Apple is publicly opposing Proposition 8 and making a donation of $100,000 to the No on 8 campaign. Apple was among the first California companies to offer equal rights and benefits to our employees’ same-sex partners, and we strongly believe that a person’s fundamental rights — including the right to marry — should not be affected by their sexual orientation. Apple views this as a civil rights issue, rather than just a political issue, and is therefore speaking out publicly against Proposition 8."

Just thought I'd pass it along as a discussion point.

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Hero's "retro" blog. / "People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will

We disagree

Not everything is a right.

  • If two people live together, they're not asking anything of anyone else, so they have a right to tell society not to get involved. If gays want to live together, fine. None of my business. 
  • But that's not the argument about gay marriage. The gay marriage argument that they want society to approve and support their relationship, They are asking society to get involved. They're demanding that society support their private decision.

Marriage is not only a private arrangement or relationship; it's also a request for society to bless and approve your relationship. You can't make a blessing into a right. Approval can't be a right. It's an oxymoron to demand approval. By it's very nature, approval can only be freely given, without coercion. You can't demand it.

But don't you have a "right" to be "equal?"

  • Think about that. Do you have a right to be equal in every way? Or in all the ways that you care about? Do you have a right to be economically equal? Educationally equal? Then how could anyone assume that we all had to be matrimonially equal?

We approve of one-man, one-woman marriages. We don't approve anything else. That's our right.  

A question for anybody...

Neal Boortz is saying this morning that he has been hearing that some of the banks which received bailout money have been using it to pay bonuses to their executives, as well as to acquire assets.

Has anybody else been hearing this?

-Dave

In order for wealth to be spread, it first must be seized.

Yes

There were no rules attached. Paulson and the government assumed that the banks would use the money to make loans. They assumed it, without anticipating that the banks would use it for other purposes. What few restrictions they placed on the banks had enough wiggle room to allow anything.

Acting on our behalf, the federal government bought Brooklyn Bridges, but didn't get a receipt for any of them.

These morons are just.....

begging to be nationalized.  How Friggin stupid can they be??  People will be so outraged, that they will not oppose a Govt. take over of the banks.....IDIOTS!!

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Here is a better idea

Tell the media to STFU since it was them that caused the panic.

Are we in bad shape? Sure. But it is the media who is running around and telling everyone the sky is falling.  

 

Media

Unfortunately, the media is no longer in the business to report the news.  They now want to create news so they can report on it. 

They hype the economy in a bad way

If Obama doesn't win, blacks will riot

Despite President Bush being the first to let journalists embed during the war, they are still angry that he wouldn't allow them to show dead bodies on the nightly news.

On and on, they just stir the pot choosing to emphasize stories that will hype people up so that they can report on the hype.

Politics of Panic

Just about everyone knew instinctively that the market could not keep going the way it was the degree of irresponsible spending being done by the government, financial institutions and individuals. One of them had to hit the fan eventually so I don't think this is that big of a surprise.
When the governments went into a panic there was nothing else to do but pull investments and watch the plummet. Now we have to wait and see how long it takes for the governments to figure out that the more they do the worse things get. At that point we will have to take inventory of who owns what assets and figure out if we are even living in a predominately capitalistic mixed economy or if we have capitulated into socialist society.
The question is, “Did it have to be this bad of a correction?” IMO, I don’t think so but the media in its need to support the Democrat Party in general and Senator Obama specifically went all out to paint the economic gloom that would install their favored candidate. In doing so they not only caused skittish consumers to reign in their gluttony but also caused the knee-jerk politicians to feel like they had to ‘do something’. When politicians get involved with the economy we lose almost every time.

Hollywood Hypocrisy

Robert De Niro, who has stumped for Obama, has a gun permit. 

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10262008/news/regionalnews/the_mets_are_loaded_135381.htm

Great actor.....no common sense.....

Doesn't DeNiro get that it is HIS wealth Obama wants to spread around??

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

DeNiro understands this. 

DeNiro understands this.  That is why he (I'm sure) has the best tax attorneys money can buy.

Seashell

Lots of rich people get it.....check this out.

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."

This from a self-made billionaire, who started out hauling trash, then founded BlockBuster and AutoNation.  Sounds like "stay out of my pockets!" to me.

In his own words (19 seconds):  This man is qualified to be VP?

Blonde.....the ones with brains get it...........

Hollywood imbeciles dont......Just as seashell pointed out.....they must have great tax attorney's.  But they would be the first to scream if they really had to give up part of their fortune for Mr. Marxist.

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Yep....funny, BEG

This was tucked into the back of the local site when I posted it, now it's on the front page.  Very big deal when Wayne decides to sell the Dolphins, he bought them from Joe Robbie, the team's founder.

 

In his own words (19 seconds):  This man is qualified to be VP?

Blonde

Oh I completely agree.  He is a businessman who has worked hard for his money and doesn't appreciate the government stepping on his accomplishments.  As far as DeNiro goes, he is a liberal like most other Hollywood types.  [Here is my theory on why this is] I think most of these guys have a "breakout" role and achieve instant success (money) and develop a since of guilt about it.  They give a lot to charity (which is comendable) and marry themselves to the dem. party for the same reason.  However, I also think that they hire accountants who help them find tax shelters, loopholes so the gov. can't take everything.  I think they want the gov. to have all these give-away programs to ease their guilt, but at the same time they do everthing to protect their $.  Like you said stay out of my pockets. These hollywood liberals are disingenuous, while guys like Huizenga speak the truth. : )

hay Blonde, I was going to post the same link...

I feel EXACTLY the same as him... I had THE LINK all saved up to cut N' paste...

GMTA....BTW stay warm... Don't let those Orchids FREEZE!

Just a touch of january in october... sunspottless, still   BURRRR

Is algore yappin down there?

COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT

IranianUranium

And now, today's Shrub

And now, today's Shrub Report®:

 

If it's Halloween, and it's Pittsburgh, it's time for Zombie Walk! A new world record!

Reason #5,984 to vote against Obama. Keep up the great work, UN!

Stay classy, Democrats! Real classy! Come on, at least try, will ya?

Today's Religion of Peace Update. A bonus one!

Today's Global Warming Update.

On this date in 1870, the French did what they do best: surrender. We're talking 280,000 sunburnt armpits here..

 

And, finally, an Obama Update.

 

On this date in 1870,


On this date in 1870, the French did what they do best: surrender. We're talking 280,000 sunburnt armpits here..

Et Tu, froggy. 

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

End Time Prophecy

"And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine." Revelations 6:5&6

Cross referenced with Matthew 20:2 "And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day" we see that a penny is a day's wage. The warning and the judgment concern the cost of food in the future, to wit, a meal of bread (measure of wheat), or three of barley, will cost a day's wages. We don't know for sure whether the current economic crisis will immanently lead to that foretold above, but it may. Nevertheless, the warning of judgment to come stands and it is about the world's sin and rejection of Jesus Christ. Money is a very minor thing by comparison.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31

»→ Thanks brad

I clicked on your comment half expecting to hear a word from the self-proclaimed prophet Josiah Biden.

More I think about it, I think motherbelt's comparison of today's America with yesteryear's Israel begging for a king is appropriate.

It's sickening, given the financial crisis that lifts the son of perdition to power.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Good Point

Very good point. I've oftened wondered what circumstances would cause the world to accept the Antichrist, nay rather, demand him. What with all the warnings in scripture and the many preachers that have warned about it over the last 2000+ years. Perhaps Jesus' comment on the reason for the masses gathered to him - "because they did eat bread and are full" - is the explanation.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31

How the Democrats are Against the Things of God

If you use the 10 Commandments as a guide to God's law, you will see that most of the Democratic Party talking points are opposite of God's law.

The 10 Commandments deal with: 

a person's relationship with God

respect for parents

how to treat other people (don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't bear false witness, don't covet

Democratic Platform:

abortion (murder, disrespects parents by not informing them)

wealth redistribution (covet)

global warming (not even in the Top 10)

More than just 10

The Decalogue or Ten Commandments, not suggestions, were just a small part of the Law or Moses. There was a lot more to the Moral Law like dealing with homosexuality, beastiality, manslaughter, etc. The Dems have broken those too.

We haven't discussed the Civil laws or Ceremonial laws.

 

"The devil is a better theologian that any of us and is a devil still" A.W. Tozer

True

Oh I know there are more than 10, but I've always thought that if you can't get these 10 right, then you won't be able to get the other 600+ right.

Because no one could get

Because no one could get them right that was what the Ceremonial Law was for. The Pharisees seeing how they couldn't keep them used the Cerimonial law instead.

Jesus became the way to not only cover for our sins or shortcomings to the laws but also to make an atonement once and for all for the forgiveness of breaking them.

"The devil is a better theologian that any of us and is a devil still" A.W. Tozer

The market will never find

The market will never find bottom as long as the government keeps "helping."

The government's only role in this is to determine if there was any fraud or any malfeasance and punish the perpetrators.

The Great Depression did not begin with the crash of '29, it began in 1932 after Hoover tried to "rescue" the economy with government programs...FDR made it worse, with even more government.

Humans never learn. 

Abosultly correct, until

Abosultly correct, until the government stops helping, the economy will continue to spiral out of control.  It was government meddling that got us into this mess in the first place - CRA and the Drilling Ban. 

Who would loan money for a mortgage if they knew the borrower would default, and the government would step in reduce the principal and the interest rate?  NO ONE.  The CRA and it's followup legislation must be repealed immediately. Now we have these lunatics prattling on about forcing banks who were forced to take the bailout money now to continue loaning money to uncredit worthy borrowers!  Interest rates must reflect the risk of the borrower not some idiotic government notion of FAIRNESS.  It's not FAIR to the taxpayer to be saddled with this bailout. 

The price of gasoline has dropped to 2005 levels, the economy is about to restart due to lower costs of doing business but this will be a false start. If the Democrats will not relent on the drilling issue, that means billions of dollars will continue to be siphoned from the economy to go elsewhere, not just lost taxes and royalties to the treasury.  The people running Congress are clueless.  The fed can shuffle paper all it wants, you can not paper over the underlying issues of incompetence and malefeasance by the Central Planners: Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Charles Schumer, Henry Waxman, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters and the rest of the inmates of lunatic asylum called Congress.

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/mg_rt_usw.htm price of gas

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/wcrfpus2w.htm domestic crude oil production

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/wcrrius2w.htm total crude oil into the refinies

All the bailout accomplished was to tread water, it solved no problems. 

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Skimming some of his

Skimming some of his publications suggests to me that Roubini is from the salt water Keynsian school but diverges from them somewhat.   Harvard's Economics department 20 to 30 years ago, where Roubini got his education, was still dominated by the thinking of J.K. Galbraith.  JKB was still emeritus faculty then.  In fact, he did not pass until 2 years ago.

Still, Roubini shows some sense that JKG never had.  He at least understands there are limits on what Government can do.  His writings are very high level macroeconomics.  I get the impression he is OK with fiat money and government manipulation of economy through monetary and fiscal policy.  He just thinks the government has done a poor job of 'managing' the economy and 'smart people' like him could do it better.

FWIW, I think he is both right and wrong.  It will get worse, but it does not have to.  If the government would disengage from manipulating the economy and most especially, cut taxes on the rich, those most able to form capital, the economy could quickly recover.  Continue down the Democrat path, and we get a full blown depression lasting 10 or 15 years.  That is grim.  And that is where Obama and the MSM are leading us.

Not knowing the intricacies

Not knowing the intricacies of the financial markets, I'm ill-equipped to make a judgement. I appreciate those experts who don't sugar coat the problems or warn of the pitfalls. However, I question some of the most pessimistic of the group (usually seen on the old Glenn Beck show on Headline News), who seem to take an almost fiendish delight in predicting financial armageddon and one upping each other in the direness of their predictions (Peter Schiff comes to mind). I'm really skeptical that these depressing and agitating predictions are any more helpful than the Pollyanna versions of the future. 

McNotObama '08

Dr Doom was late to the party...

"Dr Doom" was a bit late to make his predictions about the impending disaster.  Bloggers were already making the same predictions over nine months prior - http://anotherfucked...

This Week's Homowner Association Nazi Outrage.

This one involves a military family. 

I would hate to be the person who filed the complaint that got that train a rollin.'

Unbelievable.

-Dave

In order for wealth to be spread, it first must be seized.

Old Friend

We have, in this country, a faithful old friend and here is what he says:

  

 

 

Billy Graham's Prayer For Our Nation


THIS MAN SURE HAS A GOOD VIEW OF WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY! 

 

 'Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance.  We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done.  We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values. We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery. We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.  We have killed our unborn and called it choice. We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.  We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self esteem.  We have abused power and called it politics. We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition.  We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression.  We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.  Search us, Oh God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and Set us free. Amen!'


Very appropriate prayer.

Thanks!

Somebody is always right

If you buy a lottery ticket and win, it doesn't make you an expert on the lottery.

Paradox

I'm an expert on the lottery. I don't play it. :)

Indeed you are

The most acurate description of the lottery that I ever was:

Lottery = Tax on the stupid

(But at least it's voluntary.)

Click me.  

That was

That was wonderful! 

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Hero's "retro" blog. / "People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will

Only you, shrubster

That was excellent!

The only thing it was missing was that little three letter word....J.O.B.S.

 

In his own words (19 seconds):  This man is qualified to be VP?

That read like the WaPo

That read like the WaPo endorsement of Obama - "We endorse him , but gee, we hope he's not as whack as we think he might be..." 

McNotObama '08

Since it's open topic...

Imagine if this were an effigy of Barack Obama...

Now, what would the MSM be saying?

http://cbs2.com/local/Sarah.Palin.mannequin.2.849299.html

 

Local Billionaire on Obama

H. Wayne Huizenga is going to dump the Dolphins ASAP if Obama gets elected, due to Obama's plan to increase the capital gains tax. 

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."

Does Odumbo really think the ultra-rich are going to sit still while he picks their pockets?  What an idiot!


In his own words (19 seconds):  This man is qualified to be VP?

FL brings a tear to my eye

Why, yes he does. He IS Obama, after all.  And after he is done doing that, he will walk the short way from Miami to Galveston, via a nice scenic hike across the Gulf of Mexico. 

FL has done me proud!  Did you hear about the questions an Orlando reporterette hit Biden with?  Quoting Marx?  Asking about hi thoughts on those who think he and Obama want to make America more like Sweden? 

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

This is all Kipling in Obama among the Jungle Folk

"Tell us Sahib Obama. Tell us your children what magic you prevail upon us poor donkeys?", the all too smart American people cowed in low mooing voice never to be taken in my manipulation.

"I do not speak to such donkeys as you. I let my subaltern speak words that only an donkey could speak as I am no animal," the Obama glowered with his booming voice.

"But Sahib Obama," the children mourned, "How can we know the change to believe if we are not told?"

"The Axelrod will tell you donkeys," the Obama replied,"Tell the children of my forest domain what they should know and not question".

The Axelrod spoke in hushed tones so the children of America drew near,"The Sahib says from his god on top. Thou wilt have tempest in your stock markets UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION FOR A FEW WEEKS, but fear not children of the Obama. Fear not, for it is just the European gods reminding the jungle children to trust in the Obama and if thou trust in the Obama, thou wilt be saved. For thus it is written, "2 years will the money storm blow upon the land just until the 2010 elections. We know this because the Buffett hath declared it on the Charlie Rose.

Eat your tofu, praise the Obama, and smile like the donkey for your gas prices are now low, but do not notice that the same amount of gas is there as before and ask not how prices have fallen.
Only know this children of the Obama, that in time the great lords of Europe will come again to shear you of your money as is their right in high oil prices again after 2010 elections have brought in more of the Obama's kinfolk.

Know this children and question not! Know the Obama is there for you to care for you. He will decide to take your money and give it to his friends. He will decide who will have health care and who will be culled to die. He will decide you will work for him as his children as his slaves. He will decide all things for you American children for you are his donkey and it is with his switch he will heard you!
Thus says the Obama for he has spoken!"

"But Sahib," one little Gibson of glasses trembled as he spoke yearned for an answer," Sahib Obama, you are our messiah and we are the worshippers of the master. Can we do more?"

The Obama in his dark brooding eyes had a smile paint across his lips. He pondered. He wondered. He knew as he had been told by his demigods the answer to this. There would be no stuttering, no mistakes in this answer, "You my donkeys will give to me your children in a draft, both boy and girl, to serve me as the Caesars were served in conquerred peoples.
Fear not that they will die. Mourn not in their death for I cleanse the land of you Americans and replace you with 30 million illegal Mexican border busters who will be given the vote for it is their voice I will hear and I will draft those of the light skin who voteth for a McCain to the killing fields of my desire.
Thus has the Obama ordered!"

"Oh praise Obama," the Gibson in glasses cheered.

"Oh praise the Obama," a little voiced Noonan cheered from the crowd joined by a David Brooks, but asked, "The Obama what shall our reward be for leading the donkeys to your corral to pass under the rod of who shall live and who shall die?"

"You shall pass under the rod too, for no one questions the Obama nor asks for anything as all is mine, I am mine, me is mine, mine is me, me is me, mine is mine and I ah ah ah mine ah me ah I my all ah ah ah.......THUS SAYS THE OBAMA AND SAY NO MORE," the Obama commanded.

The people cheered, some wet their panties like Chris of Matthews, some drank their slow tea like David Letterman pondering how lovely the world now scented in the waft of the Obama.

Then the people heard,"Pay no attention to the bombs going off in the Middle East. This is just praise for the Obama!"

"Praise for the Obama," the Perky of Couric was heard.

Then the people heard, "Pay no attention to the bear eating up the Ukraine and bombs going off in Poland for this is praise for the Obama only!"

"Praise for the Obama, "the Brian of Williams was heard.

Then the people heard, "Pay no attention to the corpse of the island of Taiwan. It is just my Marxist brothers cleansing the island. Pay no attention to the dead in South Korea for it is just my Marxist brothers cleansing the south. Pay no attention to the sacrifice in Kenya as it is just my cousin Odinga making offering to me in dead Christians. Pay no attention to the dead Jew for I will raise up them from the dead a Soros to take their place. It is all my praise. It is all my praise".

"Praise for the Obama," the Olbermann of Keith, the Kiran of Chetry, the John of Roberts and the Kate of Snow chanted over and over again on quivering lips.

"Pay no attention to the Shahab missile launched from a Persian Islamocommunist ship and makes such a pretty nuclear fireworks over New York all in honor of me," the Obama told the children.

The children just blinked. They looked at the fireball. They looked at the clouds of dust. They looked at Europe. They looked at Israel. They looked at Taiwan. They looked at Kenya and they tried to remember there was something else they had once looked upon, but the clouds of radioactivity now shrouded their minds in all the dust of poverty and wars that they thought the Biden of Delaware had once spoken.

Someone in the jungle though thinking hard. Stumbled in his mind over the wreckage of a stone carved world which used to be a shining city on a hill for a word.

The word seemed to be connected to some other words........ The word was dusty and caught in their throat, but it seemed to have a life of it's own followed by others.

The word formed, then it coughed, then it came out in one phonetic sound of "Pah..........PAh.........PAH.......PAHEE," it came.

Then another understood and more dust covered words came out, "Wah.......Wah........Wah.....EEE."

There was no droppin' of any g's as there were none to drop nor offend those in New York, but then there was no New York and now no Los Angeles from the praise for Obama.
There was not even any Obama any more as he had fled to his bunker in Germany like that other great leader of the "vor Zeit" or the before time.

Then the sentence came which so many now thought they recalled," WE..........WE........We could have had PAH PAH PAH EE............We could have had peace if we had chosen John McCain".

.........and then there was silence, because all the children knew then there was no going back to peace once all you have is war.

 

agtG

 

 

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

Oh New Alert...Breaking

Oh News Alert...Breaking News...

Little Scottie McClellan is announcing his support for Obama on msnbc with Andrea Mitchell...

Isn't this just precious...LMAO!

No big surprise now is there..what a traitor...and I think he always has been as I have said before.

Pathetic...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Bt...Scotty was on Larry King Friday.

If you did not know who he was...you would assume that the Obama campaign sent somebody on to debate Lars Larson.

BTW - Lars FRIED Scotty.

He's just a little weasle.  Obama can have him.

Ster.

Hey Ster.. Was this the

Hey Ster..

Was this the same show Joyless was on?

If so I refused to watch it...I usually pass his show up anyway, unless it is a repeat late at night...very late at night...lol

Glad to know about Lars wiped the floor with him though...which wouldn't be hard to do anyway...   ;-)

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Joe the Plumber has given

Joe the Plumber has given more press interviews in the past week than Barack Obama has granted in the past month.

Joe the Plumber has had more press scrutiny in two days than Barack Obama in two years.

And Joe knows more about running a business than Barack Obama.
Sounds like the wrong guy's running for President.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.