For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Sarah smiles!
The media spin is on, and despite Sarah Palin's fabulous performance last evening -- she's receiving an A- rating from NBers compared to B- for Biden -- the usual suspects in the press are giving Joe the nod. What a surprise.
Regardless, how big of a night was this for the McCain campaign? Can her performance stop the recent bleeding which started with the implosion of the credit markets? Or do vice presidential debates have little impact, and McCain is going to have to do something himself now to get things back on track.



















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Palin....
October 3, 2008 - 09:30 ET by pwozForget "Barracuda". Palin's new nickname should be "The Bus Driver" because she took Hairplugs McGaffe to school!
biden got schooled
October 3, 2008 - 09:44 ET by play21cwbiden got schooled
I will let this out now that phase 2 is in play
October 3, 2008 - 12:16 ET by Lame CherryI ask people to remember John McCain lecturing Barack Obama on the difference between strategy and tactics, because for those who think Gov. Palin has been hidden away I will let you in on a few things.
Gov. Palin has been appearing to local crowds as in 60,000 people lining up for blocks. Gov. Palin was deliberately baiting Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric, to which Gov. Palin being on point has now drawn out the cocktail crowd like Letterman into a frenzy of filth in exposing who they are.
Joe Farah today published on WND how this 2008 campaign has been the end of the fossil media.
If you notice Mark Halprin (sp) now whining about McCain needing to be the happy warrior as John McCain is kicking the stuffing out of the press and booting Mo Dowd off his flight, that is what winning looks like in strategy and mission.
Sarah Palin invaded Normandy last night after receiving a London Blitzkrieg from the Nazi Obama press........and guess what she has smiling Joe Biden joining the McCain Palin campaign as this was planned a long time ago to exploit the Obama Biden rift.
Do not think John and Sarah are just sitting around. They are hunters. McCain quotes the hunter poem and Sarah hunts. They know this business and are conducting themselves exactly as they need to.
I applaud McCain in finally kicking the stuffing out of the press and taking Obama to the woodshed. People like Chris Matthews might get suckered by Biden using his dead family for votes in crocodile tears, but Biden plans that too as he bawls on Clinton cue allot to "soften his image".
Sarah Palin could have cried too about Trig, could have cried about her ex brother in law who was going to murder her dad, could have cried about the ex bro in law going to murder her in threats, but she doesn't stoop to gimics.
Sarah Palin is a Field General and she implements strategy and tactics so far ahead that the liberal press missed it and so did all bloggers.
I only reveal this part now as Obama can not do a thing about it now as they have spent their resources and now are reacting fearfully wondering what John and Sarah have planned next to pole axe them.
I will only let this slip out. John McCain from the start of this has only gone on missions of devastation on the Obama campaign. There is no probing. When he comes, he takes off Obama's head and outflanks him shearing a decimated 10 percent (that is what it means Chevy Chase) off of Obama.
That is what Sarah Palin accomplished last evening by God's Grace.
They are coming again, and again, and again and again for a continuous supply of surprises for Obama who has absolutely no defense and Joe Biden just joined the McCain Palin team last night along with a host of Democrats.
The BBC on Wednesday night ran a story on Democrats for McCain and how McCain was winning that state as those Dems will not vote for Obama.
Don't get your information from the press in America as they are not bright enough to understand a military campaign.
Big John and Sarah are coming and to quote Patton it is going to be like the 3rd Army going through a goose.
God bless
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Just My Two Cents, But ...
October 3, 2008 - 09:35 ET by TakeaRightThat's two big national appearances for Sarah, and two home runs. I think the campaign would be well served to let her loose in as many appearances as possible.
She's the one who connects with the people.
Good job, Sarah, we're proud of you.
Wake Up John McCain
October 3, 2008 - 09:50 ET by GothampcShe really does connect with the people and McCain needs to realize that.
I think the McCain camp is so worried that she'll make a huge mistake, but she really is humble enough to say "I've made a mistake and I've learned from it."
Reverse the ticket
October 3, 2008 - 09:38 ET by iveseenitallIt should be Palin/McCain! She is a rising star!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Not a McCain fan, but----
October 3, 2008 - 09:41 ET by misterbillNot a McCain fan, but----I felt that Sarah , based on 100 points, won 65 of them. She was calm under fire. Whether she just learned some of the answers or not she was spot on 90% of the time. She was far more gracious in pointing out differences whereas Biden was on that attack nore often. Also, I am not knowledgable enough to have caught it, but this morning's news exposed a lot of gaffes by Biden.
If she did indeed , just learn some of the answers, then she is a quick study and that is the kind of mind needed in key positions.
Lastly. I wasn't sure if Biden's smile was sincere or if he was showing off his caps.
PS I must admit Ifill was reasonably neutral. I felt she did a good and fair job--to my surprise.
REASONABLY neutral ...
October 3, 2008 - 10:05 ET by Meanderingis right. She did better than I expected, but there were a few times she cut Palin off right when she was on a roll. She was hitting Biden and Obama with good solid topics and in the middle of it all Ifill stops her and said we have to go on, but Palin being the classy lady that she is acknowledged it and let it go. So Ifill did do a good job, but that and the gay marriage/rights issue was a weird question to ask VP's and should have been a home run for Biden, but Palin came out the victor on that topic sticking to her guns and beliefs and not appoligizing for them. Biden did a good job not correcting Palin on the General's name, which impressed me. Overall Ifill was fine, but you could still see her Obama loving ways.
So Ifill did do a good job,
October 3, 2008 - 10:39 ET by Dan The Man 2So Ifill did do a good job, but that and the gay marriage/rights issue was a weird question to ask VP's and should have been a home run for Biden, but Palin came out the victor on that topic sticking to her guns and beliefs and not appoligizing for them
I loved it when Ifill asked her if she was for Gay marriage and she said a marriage was between a man and a woman and then Ifill said something to teh effect that Palin was for gay rights as the left wants them and she affirmed she was for marriage btween a man and a woman not affirming what words Ifill placed in Palins mouth.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I caught that too.
October 3, 2008 - 10:56 ET by MeanderingShe stayed the course as per her beliefs. However, Biden also stated that he did not want to change the marriage definition between a man and a woman as well, which could alienate the gay populas.
Mathews and the crew were
October 3, 2008 - 09:44 ET by nicksmith112Mathews and the crew were dazed by her performance.
"She's been well coached...she didn't answer some questions.. "
To me that means she is finally a politician!!!
What the viewers witnessed is that she is not a boob as the loony left has painted her and Biden is clearly not the statesman as the corrupt media has portrayed him.
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
They Were'nt Prepared!
October 3, 2008 - 10:03 ET by ChasvsThey just weren't prepared for her to be so good!
I bet they were busy ripping up all their cue cards with the smarmy comments on how miserably she did!
Talk about dumb-founded bumbling by the morons on MSNBC!
Is that their best shot at her performace?
Gee, Anytime you can keep Mathews from frothing at the mouth you know you did good!
Sarah, you go girl!
A+ Another donation is on it's way!
"she's
October 3, 2008 - 10:48 ET by TruthMonger"she's well-coached"
exactly what matthews said about obama, right?
f*ck*n a**h*le...
I may be starting to get sick of this twit
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
The Velvet Punch
October 3, 2008 - 09:45 ET by GothampcSarah is an expert at the velvet punch. And you know it's effective when others try to copy it.
In the debate, Sarah remarked to Biden about ancient history and we had to look ahead. In the post-debate wrap-up, Sean Hannity was asking Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz about something and she tried the same line about "that's history and we need to look ahead."
McCain will definately
October 3, 2008 - 09:46 ET by SeashellMcCain will definately have to take the ball and run with it. I think he needs to start running ads on Obama's past relationships: Ayers, Rezko, Wright. These are legitimate issues that people need to know about. Had the MSM put this stuff out there as they should have before the primaries, he would not be here today. Anyway, Hannity is doing a piece on this subject Sunday night (I think) so it would be a perfect opportunity for McCain to start talking about it on Mon.
One more thing, going back to Chris Matthews, has anyone even noticed how he always has "spittle" on his lips when he's talking? Disgusting.
Outside of the Bill O.
October 3, 2008 - 10:08 ET by nicksmith112Outside of the Bill O. interview, when has Obama been grilled or not asked softball questions that contained the answer in them.
during the Bill O. interview Obama denied any knowledge of Wright's anti-American, anti-white, anti-semitic tendencies while going to his church.....Oprah knew and got the hell out.
Bill O. has been more than fair to Obama. Bill is hedging his bet with the thought of getting President Barry sit downs.
I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.
I agree, i think its time to
October 3, 2008 - 09:49 ET by play21cwI agree, i think its time to let her shock and awe everyone in the media. I think this was the plan all along though; The October Surprise for the McCain camp is to have her go crazy with interviews and appearances that she will 'Capture' the spotlight of the media (like she did when McCain announced her as his VP pick) and could there be a better time to do it? with about a month left before the election, she will steal Obamas spot light, capture votes and take the election.
Expect To Hear
October 3, 2008 - 09:51 ET by JDWLibs claiming that the election is, of course, not going to turn on the vice-presidential debate.
Emails have been sent.
JDW
DAILY WAVE
'Hey Chuck, Stand Up!'
PALIN ROCKS!
October 3, 2008 - 09:59 ET by MeanderingIncredibly, NBC news stated Palin won. ABC news said Biden won, and I'm not sure what CBS or PBS or any other news team said, but to me she kicked butt! Biden impressed me too and I would rather have him running at the top of his ticket than Obama. Anyway, Palin has been under the microscope since she was placed in the VP spot and the media has not let up. She delivered tonight and the regular people in America saw what she was made of and she rallied us conservatives with her performance.
The Tax Foundation went looking for bacon in the BO bill.
October 3, 2008 - 10:04 ET by R D HelmWhat they found was enough pork to feed a medium-sized nation.
This insanity must be stopped.
-And this is just the tax break portion of the bill.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McCain in '08
Last night Biden responded
October 3, 2008 - 10:02 ET by BDLast night Biden responded to Palins call for a surge of forces into Afghanistan coupled with a change of mission to sweep, clear, and secure key locations with a claim that that would not succeed. He went so far as to take the Commander of forces in that theater out of context to try and indicate that the military concurred with his point.
Yet even during the same five minutes he called for - wiat for it - a flow of new troops into country to perform the exact same mission. That coupled with every liberal on the planet who has been saying that additional troops should be committed to "The Central Fronton the war on Terrorism" for the past four years.
WHAT THE HELL??????
Talk about the ultimate conundrum that can only reside in a liberal mind where emotion overrules logic.
When he said that, I paused the TV and had to take a little walk as I felt like doing the old "Turn around buttstroke to the chin series" with an M-16.
Yep. I felt the same way
October 3, 2008 - 10:14 ET by c5thenI was disappointed that Gov. Palin didn't point out that obvious double talk.
"So let me get this straight, Senator Biden...A surge won't work in Afghanistan, but what we need is more troops? So more troops is not a surge? Or is it that we just can't use that term, 'surge'? Where I come from that's called double talk and gets you kicked out of office or never elected."
Biden wasn't answering questions either!
October 3, 2008 - 10:30 ET by MeanderingThe question Ifill asked to Biden which was asked to Obama and McCain last week, was what would they have to leave out of their plan due to the economic issues facing us now and Biden said what they wouldn't do that McCain is doing. That was not the question, but nice try pulling one over on us.
Gov. Palin did OK -
October 3, 2008 - 10:05 ET by j. frank wilsonClearly her performance exceeded what many people thought she could do. As Mark Shields put it after the debate, a great many Republican strategists are breathing a whole lot easier now. She wasn't able to shoehorn some of her approved answers to fit Ms. Ifill's questions - regarding nuclear weapons for example.
Personally, I was very excited that Ms. Ifill asked about Vice President Cheney's unique contention that his office is not part of the Executive Branch of the Federal government. That was the question I hoped to hear. Gov. Palin either didn't understand it or didn't have a prepared response - she clearly did not answer the question. Sen. Biden took it on directly and gave an excellent answer.
To me the most important part of the 90 minutes was at the end when Sen. Biden said he learned during his first year in the United States Senate, never question another's motives. Judgment yes - motives, no. That is a very common failing here on NB. People who don't toe the party line (yes, like myself) are un-American, Socialists, communist, etc.
This very unforunate trait - a gift from Newt, GOPAC, and Tom DeLay - is not going to help unite this nation behind the winners on November 4th. This country and this world have more than enough problems and issues that need to be addressed. And we're all going to have to work together to get the job done.
Maybe you should join your
October 3, 2008 - 10:19 ET by Captain RepusMaybe you should join your brother Plugs Biden and spend a little time educating us plain folks on which constitutional ammendment we could read to understand the VP issue. I personally get so confused between all those numbers between 1 and 2.
Captain Repus:
October 3, 2008 - 10:33 ET by j. frank wilsonIs it more important to memorize the number of the Article or to understand what the Constitution says? If you are voter you may decide that for yourself.
Why didn't Gov. Palin answer the question she was asked? Or is that not important, either?
Seems to me that since
October 3, 2008 - 10:55 ET by Captain RepusSeems to me that since there are quite fewer ammendments to the constitution than the number of years Plugs has spent as a full time senator he should not only have them memorized, he should be an authority on them.
But, you are right, it is much more important to worry about how to effectively bring our troops home in shame again and turn our clinics into DMV offices.
Capt. Rebus:
October 3, 2008 - 11:46 ET by j. frank wilsonYou duck the question - just like Gov. Palin did.
Advantage Captain Repus - I
October 3, 2008 - 11:50 ET by Captain RepusAdvantage Captain Repus - I don't care what you think
Capt. Repus:
October 3, 2008 - 12:43 ET by j. frank wilsonIf you vote hinges on a perceived confusion about Article I vs. Article II, go for it. If you are fortunate, your vote will even be counted.
Meanwhile, I prefer a ticket that actually understands who is in charge of Iran. And doesn't structure another foreign policy folly based on wrong information. Sen. Biden demonstrated he knows who is in charge of Iran. Gov. Palin demonstrated she can parrot her talking points.
Listen to Robert Baer's very interesting interview on this weeks' Fresh Air if you want to learn how the government of Iran is structured. As he said - listening to the idiot quoted by Gov. Palin and thinking he is running the country would be like listening to Tailgunner Joe and concluding he was in charge.
We've had enough misguided foreign misadventures for my lifetime. We sure as heck don't need any more reckless cowboys out there running wild and getting us into another quagmire.
A little refresher for you
October 3, 2008 - 13:29 ET by Captain RepusA little refresher for you my friend. Biden NOW understands who is really in charge since his father, Obammy was called on his ACTUAL LANGUAGE that he would sit down and chat with AKMANINUTJOB HIMSELF without pre-conditions.
Yup, plugs and barry learn fast when they are confronted with their own words, don't they.
As for my vote counting, I have no doubt that it will as it must in order to help offset the votes of illegal aliens, corpses and dogs that will pull the handle for barry and plugs.
A little refresher for you
October 3, 2008 - 13:29 ET by Captain RepusA little refresher for you my friend. Biden NOW understands who is really in charge since his father, Obammy was called on his ACTUAL LANGUAGE that he would sit down and chat with AKMANINUTJOB HIMSELF without pre-conditions.
Yup, plugs and barry learn fast when they are confronted with their own words, don't they.
As for my vote counting, I have no doubt that it will as it must in order to help offset the votes of illegal aliens, corpses and dogs that will pull the handle for barry and plugs.
It's not about who's in charge...
October 3, 2008 - 14:13 ET by retroconIt's about their policies.
The iyatolahs (sp?) pull the nutjobs strings.
He doesn't say anything that isn't approved by them.
Meanwhile, I prefer a
October 3, 2008 - 14:38 ET by BDJ Frank:
Meanwhile, I prefer a ticket that actually understands who is in charge of Iran.
Listen to Robert Baer's very interesting interview on this weeks' Fresh Air if you want to learn how the government of Iran is structured.
We sure as heck don't need any more reckless cowboys out there running wild and getting us into another quagmire.
J FRANK!? Where are
October 3, 2008 - 16:16 ET by BDJ FRANK!? Where are YOU?????
Blonde: J frank seems
October 3, 2008 - 16:21 ET by BDBlonde:
J frank seems to be fleeing my fire. Sad for me, he is such an EASY target to engage and destroy.
True, BD
October 3, 2008 - 17:35 ET by BlondeBut he's got a pea shooter....and well, you've got an arsenal.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Frank ... speaking of ducking questions
October 3, 2008 - 13:41 ET by LionKingPot, meet Kettle.
Frank, do you remember dodging these questions?
J.Frank ... the question dodger
October 3, 2008 - 16:41 ET by LionKingWe need a better class of troll. -- Blonde
»→ LionKing
October 3, 2008 - 16:45 ET by Cool ArrowDag-Nabbit it's your day to watch him.
Last time we didn't find him until we smelled the mess he was making behind the couch.
We kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon - Joe Biden
Okay, who has trhe receipt
October 3, 2008 - 18:05 ET by BDOkay, who has trhe receipt for J Frank. We must find out who lost him....
depends on what your
October 3, 2008 - 11:00 ET by TruthMongerdepends on what your sensitive to, frank
if you have been indoctrinated properly by liberals - then biden brilliantly answered the question by slandering Cheney's brilliant VP accomplishments
if not then Palin's answer was spot on
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
Afetr a careful literal
October 3, 2008 - 11:20 ET by Dan The Man 2Afetr a careful literal reading of the Constitution it does not say one way or the other. The VP must be ready to assume the duties of the President. It also says the VP presides over the Senate. So the VP does not have any otehr power other than that. He cannot make laws, cannot sign any laws and cannot make judgements on any laws. So that means he is not part of teh congress or executive branch or legislative branch. The Constitution alludes to teh fact he is indeed loosly tied to teh congress but has no ability to make laws only to break ties.
So the debate rages on and will rage on as the debate about how much power each branch has. It has been ongoing since the founders and will continue. The powers of each branch will grow and wane with each new year and new people.
In otehr words there is no definition of the VP except the one at the moment and decided on by all the parties concerned.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
dan the man 2:
October 3, 2008 - 11:45 ET by j. frank wilsonSo from George Washington to Bill Clinton this wasn't an issue. Two hundred years later it suddenly is?
If Vice President Cheney is part of the Legislative Branch, then all his papers would be open to Congressional inspection without limit, wouldn't they? How could he claim any sort of "Executive Priviledge" if he isn't part of the Executive Branch? So we can finally see into the inner workings of the famous first Bush Admnistration energy task force?
Folks have already gone to court to prevent our VP from destroying documents and records. Now that won't be necessary - Congress can just wade in there and look at whatever they want! Great!
Meanwhile, your theory provides new meaning to the phrase "living Constitution."
As I recall, the initial
October 3, 2008 - 12:08 ET by BDAs I recall, the initial VP's were selected from the Legislative branch as were the Presidents.
Does give one pause to wonder if Cheney is not correct if initial principles were considered.
If you will look at my
October 3, 2008 - 14:45 ET by Dan The Man 2If you will look at my original post I said a literal reading so where do you get this trash “Meanwhile, your theory provides new meaning to the phrase "living Constitution." And there has been no real concern for the last 2 hundred years because the congress has not been as combative and stupid as it is now. The Dims have politicized it to the nth degree and only in the last couple of years, as far as I know, has the question come up.
From what I understand about Executive Privilege, which is possibly very little, is that the President can extend it to just about anyone he comes in contact with. This is too make sure he can confide in those people for making decisions and get the unvarnished truth of what they think. If the President cannot count on his advisors or confidants then he might as well kiss his life goodbye. Now executive privilege is of course suspended as in when President Clinton committed a federal felony by perjuring himself in front of a Grand Jury.
The Constitution has never been “living”, it however is in small ways up to interpretation by SCOTUS. In fact the Constitution says SCOTUS is responsible for making sure the laws are Constitutional and by some small extension Presidential Privileges and actions.
Thanks for playing Frankie try again later and take the home version as a consolation prize.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan the Man 2:
October 3, 2008 - 15:07 ET by j. frank wilsonSorry to see you are one more NB commentor who must award victory to yourself - afraid no one else will?
Since you know the Constitution so well, kindly tell us where it states that the Supreme Court of the United States has the power to decide which laws are constitutional? After all, you wrote "In fact the Constitution says SCOTUS is responsible for making sure the laws are Constitutional..."
You will, of course, be hard pressed to find it because it is not there. Chief Justice John Marshall created that responsibility for the Supreme Court when he ruled - correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm not looking this up - in Marbury vs. Madison.
Your previous comment talked about how various interpretations of the Constitution evolve over time. Now you are saying that is not the case at all.
Frankie this passage says
October 3, 2008 - 16:07 ET by Dan The Man 2Frankie this passage says it. Now does it say specifically, no? But like I said it is one of those small corrections that the parties have agreed on.
Article 3:Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects. In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.
The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.
Now if Congress so wishes they can pass laws limiting some of the executive privilege powers. But so far they have not and will not as they realize the folly of doing so. In my understanding of the Constitution any 2 branches can overrule the third branch as this was the intent of the founders. So if one branch gets really out of bounds they get their wings clipped.
The specified powers though cannot be taken away unless an amendment is added to the Constitution. As far as your assertion that SCOTUS ruling on other bodies is a new thing, it is wrong. The three branches have been jockeying for power as long as we have been a country. IMO SCOTUS needs its wings clipped due to some really lousy rulings
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
She did well.
October 3, 2008 - 10:07 ET by c5thenShe did better than a lot of people expected. But she's not quite good enough on her feet yet to "turn her loose".
For example...when they were arguing over the vote in the Seanate for funding the troops and she said that Obama voted against it after promising not to and Biden pointed out that McCain voted the same way the first time becasue it had a time table in it...She should have come back and said something like:
I know most everyone here
October 3, 2008 - 10:12 ET by R D HelmI know most everyone here is pleased with Sarah's performance in the debate with Obiden last night. She missed a couple opportunities to really nail Obiden, as well as Obama, but overall I think she did pretty well.
Sadly, I don't think it will help McCain's chances in next month's election. There are just too many factors working against him, and one of those factors is himself.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McCain in '08
Write-In Palin for President
October 3, 2008 - 10:13 ET by XJ.JonWhat are the chances we could get the word out for everyone to write in Palin for President and "Anybody but McCain, as long as it's not Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Biden, or Reid, for VP"?
Nick, welcome to the Right Side!! The wounds will heal. LOL
Nobama 08
I also wish we had her on
October 3, 2008 - 10:18 ET by bigtimerI also wish we had her on the top of the ticket... doggone it.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Bail-out Bill/Time is of the essence
October 3, 2008 - 10:14 ET by bigtimerWe have one hour left to call congress and let them know you are against the bail-out bill, if you are.
Please call, the switchboard is busy, just look up your congress-critters number and call, please, I got through to Roy Blunt and Rehberg already by dialing their numbers directly, Blunt said on Fox Business Channel that they weren't receiving as many calls from people against this...well folks call
They just voted on a rules vote, which gives a pretty good indication of how a vote is going to go on the upcoming vote on the bail-out, we need at least six or more members to get pressure and hear from us.
As to Palin, she did great last night, so did Ifil.
Here is the switchboard #202-224-3121
Still better to call directly, I couldn't get through to the switchboard, it is busy.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
sarah/ how McCain can stop the bleeding
October 3, 2008 - 10:26 ET by east tennessee johnMost real American politician since "give hell" Harry Truman, who wasn't an elitist, DC insider or even a college graduate. It's really up to McCain now and the issue really has become, whose policies can right the economy and what really happened with the melt down? Here's what I sent to McCain today:
You are getting slapped around by Obama's unrelently mantra of,"This financial crisis was caused by Republican and McCain policies of deregulation. Really? Why don't you ask Obama to cite SPECIFIC ACTS of deregulation that contributed to the credit crunch. There is, to my knowledge, only 1, the repeal of the Glass-StegallAct, which removed the "firewall" between investment bank and commercial bank investments that was inforce since 1933.Biden voted for it, Clinton signed it, and Obama advisor, Wall Street mega insider Robert Rubin, was a huge supporter of it being passed. The deregulation itself, though contributory, was not the full culprit. Greed, on the part of Wall Street investment bankers was. But how did it get this far? Afterall, the ultimate problem were risky, subprime loans that were used as the basis to fund and create derivatives and other risk associated investments. Just where, exactly, did these loans come from? Since 60-70% of these loans passed through Fannie and Freddie the issue becomes one of malfeasance and mismanagement, not deregulation.Afterall, was it deregulation that caused Freddie to pay a $125 million fine,in2003; was it deregulation that forced it to pay $400 million to settle shareholder lawsuits?; was it deregulation that compelled the Federal Election Commission to fine it $3.8 million for improper political fundraising? No, it was the actions of its management. What about Fannie Mae? How was it permitted to misstate earnings by $10.6 BILLION between 1998-2004, deregulation? Obama sholud have a great answer since 2 of the main perpetrators, Raines and Johnson are his advisors. What happened was very simple: enough worthless "assets", crap as I like to call it ,was pushed through the system, on purpose, not because of deregulation but because of greed, malfeasance, mismanagement and the desire to socially engineer. How did Fannie/Freddie get the supply of such toxic waste? Perhaps former ACORN field trainer Obama can tell you, but misuse of the Community Reinvestment Act, not an act of deregulation, had something to do with it. It was another liberal feel good idea gone bad, not because the idea of housing is wrong, but the manipulation of that thought to achieve partisan political goals is. ACORN and related community organizations, had tremendous influence on the loan application process which already was fundamentally unsound because of the added risk nature of the loans. Add to it lloans that were illegally made or fraudulently made and the shaky foundation of the loan portfolio became even riskier. By the time they hit the investment bankers, who took GSE to mean government secured enterprise rather than government sponsored enterprise, the greed and lack of financial judgement overwhelmed prudence. Is this the fault of deregulation? Now I'm only a citizen but if Obama is going to insist this problem is one of deregulation rather than deliberate actions of the people involved,YOU MUST CHALLENGE HIM ON THIS . THE PUBLIC HAS AN IDEA WHAT HAPPENED, THAT THEY GOT SCREWED BY DC INSIDERS AND THEIR WALL STREET PALS. TRUE ENOUGH,BUT IT WASN'T DEREGULATION AND THE BUSH BOOGEYMAN THAT CAUSED IT. THIS WILL ESTABLISH OBAMA AS SOMEONE WHO REALLY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED AND IS SATISFIED TO REPEAT LIBERAL/SOCIALIST SLOGANS
east tennessee john:
October 3, 2008 - 10:48 ET by j. frank wilsonYou have thoroughly mixed up the various home mortgage loans.
CRA did not mandate unsound loans. That's a rightwing urban legend.
Fannie and Freddie did not purchase the subprime loans that have imploded. Those were originated by non-Federally regulated mortgage brokers, securitized, and sold (generally overseas).
Fannie and Freddie did purchase some loans based on non-traditional underwriting. These were fixed rate (not ARM's) and full doc (not no doc).
Deregulation of the overall financial markets was a key ingredient in the ability of Wall Street bankers to securitize and sell the subprime assets.
Finally, Messrs. Johnson and Raines were not and are not economic advisors to Sen. Obama. Don't believe everything you read on the Internets.
You might have to correct
October 3, 2008 - 11:09 ET by Captain RepusYou might have to correct me on this but based on my RE Finance class last semester (I am a 65 year old full time college student) Fannie and Freddy dictated lower standards for banks to qualify borrowers, bought these loans (which I believe now did include variable rate notes) and packaged and resold these notes as mortgage backed securities.
Red flags were raised by McCain and other republicans over 2 years ago about these practices, but ignored by the politicians who were on the Fannie/Freddy payroll.
Captain Repus:
October 3, 2008 - 11:52 ET by j. frank wilsonThe subprime neg am option ARMs that imploded were not agency paper. That entire market was created because Freddie and Fannie (the agencies) would not buy it.
Freddie and Frannie had a limited program to purchase loans based on non-traditional underwriting. There were full doc fixed rate (often at below market rates). They were fully amortizing (not balloons) and some had an interest only payment period as well.
They have not produced a failure rate higher than the remainder of their portfolios.
Politicians have never been on the Freddie Fannie payroll. Rick Davis, presidential campaign manager for the senior senator from Arizona, did make $30,000 per month as the president of an astroturf lobbying group founded and funded by Fannie and Freddie. They shut that down and then paid his lobbying firm just $15,000 per month until the government takeover. Other members of the McCain Campain received hundreds of thousands of dollars to lobby for Fannie and Freddie. Is that the payroll you refer to?
The fact that those successful lobbyists are now working for Sen. McCain doesn't bother you, does it?
As long as they aren't
October 3, 2008 - 12:24 ET by Captain RepusAs long as they aren't setting off terrorist bombs at the pentagon, aren't saying GD my country, race baiting or any other anti-American comments/actions and aren't trying to convert my country to socialism/communism, I have no problem with them.
I am not sure the sub-prime
October 3, 2008 - 12:31 ET by Captain RepusI am not sure the sub-prime paper is the bulk of the problem. Most of the paper F&F underwrote was simply standard conventional notes that were issued under improper F&F qualifying guidelines to 1)speculators/flippers and 2)financially unqualified buyers.
The second part of the problem is folks walking away from mortgaged property that has dropped in value instead of taking responsibility to pay back the loan they signed for.
Um, um, um...
October 3, 2008 - 13:17 ET by retroconResearch is easy...
did you happen to notice that Fannie Mae collapsed? Guess they were doing all the right things...
and...
"Politicians have never been on the Freddie Fannie payroll."
Oh, reeeeealy....
Fannie Mae leadership:
James A. Johnson, Fannie Mae CEO 1991-1998 : Campaign manager for Walter Mondale, Chaired VP selection for John Kerry, participated in VP vetting for Obama. Political. Never really worked in finance biz prior to becoming CEO of Fannie Mae.
Franklin Raines Fannie Mae CEO 1998-2004: Political appointee under Carter and Clinton Administration Budget Office. Politician. He left Fannie Mae Dec. 21, 2004 while under investigation for "accounting irregularities. VP vetting for Obama, and, according to some, a finance advisor for him, as well.
Daniel H. Mudd, CEO Fannie Mae 2004-2008: Son of TV anchor Roger Mudd, but he actually did work in the finance biz. Not sure of political partisanship, but probably not difficult to guess.
Jamie Gorelick, Vice Chairman Fannie Mae 1997-2003: No finance experience (attorney by training). Clinton Appointee as general council for DoD. Politician.
Fannie Mae was, without doubt, the enabler that let banks and mortgage companies get into the subprime/less-then-qualified credit lending practices. Without Fannie Mae being there (to buy, guarantee, encourage, whatever the loans), lending institutions would not have done those loans. That's history, not speculation. Lending institutions are not without fault, they did encouraged Fannie Mae to do it, but again, if Fannie Mae weren't a "politicized" organization, and were run properly, they would have refused to do so and we wouldn't be in the fix we are now. Lenders only took the risks because Fannie Mae was there enabling them.
Lot's of places to find this info, but here's the facts from a lib paper that was extoling the virtues of destroying the mortgage market back in 1999
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260
retrocon:
October 3, 2008 - 15:16 ET by j. frank wilsonYou really don't understand the residential mortgage market, do you?
How could Fannie and Freddie have prevented mortgage brokers licensed by the individual states from originating and selling subprime mortgages? Just how would that work?
I never said Fannie and Freddie were without flaws. I said they did not purchase the subprime, neg am option ARM no doc loans that imploded. That is a fact - and you have no proof that is wrong because I'm right.
You bring up the 1999 New York Times article? Is your calendar broken? We have a little news flash for you - this is 2008. The financial markets are a completely different world now. The entire subprime securitization market that grew up outside the agency world because the agencies would not buy that paper is largely responsible for this mess.
Meanwhile - one more time - the loans Fannie and Freddie purchased based on non-traditional underwriting were full doc fixed rate (often below market rate, by the way) loans. They were not subprime neg am option ARMs with no doc "underwriting."
Here's a little hint: Do you notice the term "subprime?" Do you know what that means? In layperson's terms - probably still over your head, but I'll try - that means not eligible for agency purchase. Fannie and Freddie are the agencies. So if it's subprime they couldn't buy it - see how it works?
Mr. Raines' misdeeds were largely involved in understating profits. Do you think that is what did in the agency - it made too much money?
I did notice you ignored all the lobbyists who worked for Fannie and Freddie who now work on the campaign for the senior senator from Arizona. I can certainly see why you would care to do so.
Frank, my friend, since
October 3, 2008 - 15:53 ET by Captain RepusFrank, my friend, since Retro seems to have stepped away I will inject some comments on his behalf.
1. Just to help you understand what you think you know, mortgage brokers DO NOT MAKE LOANS. They simply shop lenders on behalf of borrowers to find funding for them. Once the loan is acquired, the mortgage brokers DO NOT SELL THE LOANS; the lenders sell them to the secondary market.
2. Your original argument implied that F&F held little or no responsibility in the mortgage mess. You couldn't be more wrong. F&F SETs the qualification standards for lending banks, and they SET the standards at such a low level totally unqualified buyers were given loans, then these unqualified loans were BOUGHT by F&F who then issued worthless MBS's to investors, mostly overseas investors who could lose their shirts as far as I am concerned.
Sure, the off-prime lenders triggered the basis of the problem but, based on the volume of unqualified loans encouraged by F&F standards and their greed in buying them back and selling them to investing dupes, they are by far the leading cause of todays problems.
Also, I still take issue with your earlier comment that F&F do not buy up variable loans - I believe they do.
Enjoy - PS, it does not help your argument to insult the intelligence of the person you are responding to. The tenor of your comments reflects an insecurity on your part, probably based on your mother rejecting your breast feeding efforts.
Captain Repus:
October 3, 2008 - 16:12 ET by j. frank wilsonActually, many mortgage brokers are also table funders, drawing on lines of credit to initally make loans and then sell them whole, servicing released. Other brokers are not bankers as well - they simply shop loans for people who used to be in the business, such as New Century and about 200 more.
At least they did during the time we are discussing.
How did agency guidelines encourage "unqualified" loans? What's the default rate on Frannie and Freddie loans? And precisely what is wrong with their underwriting standards?
What in the world are "off-prime" loans? Did you just make that term up?
I never said the agencies didn't buy ARM's. Of course they did. While almost all subprime loans are ARM's, by no means all ARM's are subprime. Is that too difficult to follow?
There were two basic residential mortgage pipelines - agency and non-agency. If what you wrote were true then there never would have been a huge international market in subprime loans - it would have all been agency paper. But then it wasn't, was it?
In response, I quote that
October 3, 2008 - 16:24 ET by Captain RepusIn response, I quote that leading authority in this subject; j. frank wilson on 10/3/08 at 11:48 in his message to east tennessee john: (facts are such pesky little devils, aren't they)
east tennessee john:October 3, 2008 - 11:48 ET by j. frank wilson
You have thoroughly mixed up the various home mortgage loans.
CRA did not mandate unsound loans. That's a rightwing urban legend.
Fannie and Freddie did not purchase the subprime loans that have imploded. Those were originated by non-Federally regulated mortgage brokers, securitized, and sold (generally overseas).
Fannie and Freddie did purchase some loans based on non-traditional underwriting. These were fixed rate (not ARM's) and full doc (not no doc).
Captain Repus:
October 3, 2008 - 20:12 ET by j. frank wilsonRegret to report that you are progressively making less and less sense...
Forgot to mention
October 3, 2008 - 13:11 ET by retroconall the politicians in congress on their payroll
Starting with the number two receiver of political dollars from them, yes, you guess it, Barack Hose-us-on-taxes Obama.
Some unpoliticized input...
October 3, 2008 - 13:27 ET by retroconRead this nice article from 2004... i wouldn't trust anything written in 2008, because, obviously, it will be politicized.
When you see words like "government mortgage support programs," read "fannie mae" at least in part.
http://www.federalre...
j frank.. you lie like 0'biden, not the same lies,
October 3, 2008 - 14:13 ET by upcountrywaterCRA did not mandate unsound loans. That's a rightwing urban legend.
What's the meaning of "unsound"
like "is" is i guess...
skate you will on that one..
NOW WE WILL HAVE JUDGES DETERMINE WHAT A "FAIR" MORTGAGE IS...thank you "bailout one"
the bailouts shall continue..
CLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
The Scabs
October 3, 2008 - 12:22 ET by JDWDodd took millions from now failing finance firms he oversees
Obama: Next to largest recipient of Fannie/Freddie and sen ACORN
Liberals: What they said about Fannie/Freddie
Blaming this mess on Bush? Only biased news media and the insipid left.
JDW
DAILY WAVE
'Hey Chuck, Stand Up!'
SurelyThis Will Front Page News Media
October 3, 2008 - 10:28 ET by JDWBiden Tells 14 Lies During Debate
JDW
DAILY WAVE
'Hey Chuck, Stand Up!'
Tales of the odd and unusual
October 3, 2008 - 10:29 ET by acumenCrap reverses course. Flows into reporters mouth.
acumen... ROFLMAO! If
October 3, 2008 - 11:08 ET by bigtimeracumen...
ROFLMAO!
If only we could see that happen to two of my favorites, Matthews and Olbie.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I didn't watch it.
October 3, 2008 - 10:31 ET by ricklailI must admit that I didn't watch the debate. I knew that Gov. Palin would hold her own and that the MSM would spin it to Biden.
It has been 20 years since the Dodgers have been in post season play. Being that the blood in my veins is Dodger blue I had to watch that. Sorry all you Cub fans but it is not going to be this year either. Next week when you are watching the Dodger play the Phillies for the National League title you will remember forever how the Dodgers mopped the floor with the Cubs just like Gov. Palin did with Biden.
Hey rick, I heard about the
October 3, 2008 - 10:49 ET by bigtimerHey rick, I heard about the Dodgers win this morning...Hip-Hip-Hooray!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Great job Sarah
October 3, 2008 - 10:32 ET by SpikerBiden got "moosed" (to quote an earlier NB posting)
Critical
October 3, 2008 - 10:39 ET by retroconReview:
Palin: Connected well, knew her talking points, improvised well in a few spots. Missed three big opportunities as follows (as did McCain in his first debate):
1) Taxes - Biden talked taxes on businesses (like windfall profits), need to hit back hard, calling out how corporations and businesses don't pay taxes, they pass them on through higher costs -- so everyone pays more.
2) Financial Mortgage mess - "It's clear that Democrats, Democrat policies, and Fannie Mae caused the problem, Democrats refused to let McCain and republicans fix the problem when it was called out." Can expand if challenged.
3) McCain and regulation - "Regulation caused most of the problems today, oversight is not the same as regulation. Democrats "regulated" the mortgage companies into giving bad loans, and refused to allow McCain and others to provide oversight of the Democrat run Fannie Mae."
Biden: Was smooth, hit all the Obama talking points, got called on a couple of lies, but "denied his way out" of them.
Ifill: Mostly asked questions that favored liberal talking points (assuming the McCain camp continues to avoid using the arguments above). Generally fair.
Observation: Near the end, Ifill asked a relatively unexpected question about doing something differently in a career. It was directed at Biden first.... Maybe that was anticipated, but it struck me as interesting that, a Senator with 35 years in Washington, had an instantaneous answer available. When you combine that with Biden always having the pat answer, except when challenged by Palin (such as with taxes), I have to ask again, did he have the questions in advance?
I wouldn't raise that question, which implies dubious ethics, except that Ifill compromised her own integrity by not declaring her financial interest in an Obama win to the debate committee.
retrocon:
October 3, 2008 - 11:01 ET by j. frank wilsonSo the only way Sen. Biden could do well was to cheat? Please. It's always the poor team that blames a loss on the ref.
Sen. Biden has experience. He was ready for Ms. Ifill's questions. Joe Biden was in his third term in the United States Senate when Sarah Palin was busy being Miss Wasilla in a beauty pagent.
You whine, frank
October 3, 2008 - 11:19 ET by BlondeAbout your views not being treated fairly, here, and then post a snide comment like that.
Go look in the mirror, fella.
Or do you think earning a scholarship via a pageant is beneath contempt?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde:
October 3, 2008 - 11:54 ET by j. frank wilsonNo whine, just facts.
Meanwhile, when have you ever posted anything except bile, complaining, insults or meaningless blather?
You are entitled
October 3, 2008 - 12:13 ET by Blondeto your own opinions, frankie. Not your own facts.
Whine on, though. It's kinda cute.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde:
October 3, 2008 - 15:18 ET by j. frank wilsonThanx for proving my point! Well done!
Wilson... She even used
October 3, 2008 - 15:24 ET by Clear thinkerWilson...
She even used the word 'cute' in reference to you. Be thankful she didn't call you what I would have.
BTW... You are a whiner!
Insane Results From Palin/Biden Debate
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
»→ Is that it?
October 3, 2008 - 15:28 ET by Cool ArrowAll we have to do is ignore your whining and you'll leave?
No more changing the subject because you just lost the previous one?
No more running off to another thread when you get beat down?
Frank, baby mice are cute too, and pythons think they're just lovely.
We kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon - Joe Biden
Notice the continued whining
October 3, 2008 - 15:57 ET by Blonde"She's so mean to me"...sounds like hayesbat.
Further on up this thread, frank whined and moaned about how those in lockstep don't get fair consideration for their opinions here.
Then lobbed a DKos talking point about Palin & the pageant.
Got called out....oops....Hellow Barney Fwank!
Sheesh.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Good point. Frankie NEVER
October 4, 2008 - 07:54 ET by Roger the ShrubberGood point. Frankie NEVER posts crybaby whines that he cannot back up with facts!
Oh, and Frankie NEVER posted anything that can be even remotely considered bile, complaining, insults or meaningless blather, either! At least, according to Frankie.
Right, Frankie?
shrubbo -- you forgot that
October 4, 2008 - 07:58 ET by Jack Bauershrubbo -- you forgot that nor has the volley ball posted anything remotely considered amusing, either.
Now that's unforgivable.
j. frank,
October 3, 2008 - 11:23 ET by R D HelmObiden has spent his entire senate career running for office.
He has never held executive office of any kind, nor has he ever had to make a payroll as a business owner.
Sarah Palin has.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McCain in '08
R D Helm:
October 3, 2008 - 11:58 ET by j. frank wilsonWhat Senators don't run for office? The ones who are appointed to serve remaining terms? John McCain has been in the US Senate for over twenty years. He got reelected by not running?
Meanwhile, in less than two years Sen. Obama has built a national organization with over 1,000 paid employees and hundreds of thousands of volunteers that has raised what - $300,000,000? $350,000,000? And is kicking Sen. McCain's sorry rear end.
Gov. Palin spoke yesterday evening about the white flag of surrender. Was she talking about Sen. McCain's campaign in Michigan?
Wislon, if he had a brain
October 3, 2008 - 12:09 ET by bigtimerWislon, if he had a brain he would of had Sarahcuda go in the state and work it, instead of keeping her off the campaign trail as long as he has...he wouldn't have such problems.
People flock to see her in huge numbers...not him.
He needs to get over himself and realize that, before it is too late for him.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Palin indicated she wishes
October 3, 2008 - 12:22 ET by BDPalin indicated she wishes to counter-attack into Michigan. I say McCain should let her do it.
Perhaps by this example the libs can see how a strong willed person gets the job done (Hint hint for Defense policy)
So, Obama shows his executive skill by creating a wealthy campaign?
Obama has NEVER succeeded at ANYTHING. He has simply run, won, and moved on to this next target.
j.frank, merely running for a legislative office...
October 4, 2008 - 00:09 ET by R D Helm...does not qualify one for executive office.
Palin has held executive office on more than one occasion.
Neither McPork, Biden nor Obama can claim similar experience.
Neither can Broom Hilda, BTW.
And where on this site have I ever indicated support for Sen. McPork?
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
from what I have seeen...
October 4, 2008 - 00:19 ET by MightyMouthI would rather have Palin represent me than any other candidate in recent history, because she is me, not a millionaire, check that one would ya?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM, even better, Sarah isn't a lawyer.
October 4, 2008 - 12:45 ET by R D HelmI would be more comfortable with her in the Oval Office than any of the others.
And that includes McPork.
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
BigMouth:
October 4, 2008 - 14:22 ET by j. frank wilsonActually Gov. Palin probably is a millionaire - earning $200,000 per year, etc. But don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions...
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jbKYvlUTXjTnihIJW3Nj53LFF5vw
»→ Frank
October 3, 2008 - 11:26 ET by Cool ArrowJoe didn't have to cheat. He just did.
He didn't have to present verifiable lies as evidence to bolster his campaign's record. He just did.
Why does Biden lie? It's probably the 3rd most useless question one could ask.
The other two are:
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Nope...
October 3, 2008 - 14:22 ET by retroconNo, he is the consumate political machine. With all that brings.
He was prepared, but because of the undeniable conflict of interest with Ifill, cheating is a real possiblity. And that's all i said.
Actually, i blame Sarah's handlers for her not having a knockout punch.
As it is, she did well. Biden did well. Ifill had a financial interest in Biden, not Palin, winning the debate. Take that for what it's worth.
And McCain
October 3, 2008 - 14:30 ET by NeoConfirmedNeoconfirmed:
October 3, 2008 - 15:23 ET by j. frank wilsonThat has nothing to do with either Sen. Biden's or Gov. Palin's experience.
The US has already elected one President as a reward for military service and it didn't work out very well. I don't care to repeat the experiment.
J Frank Wilson
October 3, 2008 - 15:31 ET by NeoConfirmedAnd as long as were talking about history and speaking of presidents who didn't work out, I remember in 76 a man being elected based on his peanut growing ability and if I'm not mistaken, in 92 an Arkansas govenor was elected based on his hide the wiener in anything that breathes experience. You'll remember he brought this experience to the oval office.
The only quality a liberal
October 3, 2008 - 15:34 ET by BDThe only quality a liberal brings to the oval office is the ability to "Feel my pain."
Like that emotional crap ever helped me defeat our enemies.
NeoConfirmed:
October 3, 2008 - 15:43 ET by j. frank wilsonI never said that. The original topic was the accusation that Sen. Biden had to cheat in the debate (based on no evidence whatsoever, of course). I pointed out he had far more experience than Gov. Palin. Joe Biden was voting in the US Senate when Sarah Palin was parading around in high heels and a bathing suit. That's simply a fact.
Ummm, said WHAT?
October 3, 2008 - 18:08 ET by BDUmmm, said WHAT?
The US has already elected
October 3, 2008 - 16:15 ET by Dan The Man 2The US has already elected one President as a reward for military service and it didn't work out very well. I don't care to repeat the experiment
I dont understand Frankie, you did not think George Washington was a good President?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I seem to recall DD
October 3, 2008 - 16:19 ET by BDI seem to recall DD Eisenhower working out well. Teddy Roosevelt is a good example as well as Zack Taylor, Washington, Jackson, and that merely average president JFK.
But we must remember that lately the liberals have been able to field candidtaes who showed bravery under fire - at protests.
Dan the Man 2:
October 3, 2008 - 20:17 ET by j. frank wilsonWrong guess. Actually, there is a very, very interesting book out titled "Washington's War." It draws some fascinating parallels between the American Revolution and our current war in Iraq. The author makes an excellent case that the British army lost the American Revolution and learned a great deal more from it than did the winner.
U.S. Grant was elected as a reward for his military service. Great, great general - terrible President.
Failed to learn from the
October 3, 2008 - 21:43 ET by BDFailed to learn from the Revolution? Are you KIDDING? For the next 30 years the US military establsihment sought to emulate the conditions that brought victory during the revolution in an effort to try and prevent the establishment of a large standing army.
The US kept its over reliance on militia which it learned from the Revolution with periodic expansions in volunteer forces during wartime until the establsihment of the National Guard Bureau at the end of the 19th century.
What did the brits learn? How to stage a guerrilla campaign? Hardly, they did not learn how to do that until after being mauled in the Spanish campaign and Wellington arrived in Portugal during the French intervention there.
GOOOD GOD!!!!
Speaking of the senior senator from Arizona
October 3, 2008 - 15:45 ET by j. frank wilsondid you enjoy the story he told in last week's debate about Gen. Eisenhower writing a letter of resignation prior to D-Day?
Personally, I would have gotten more out of that little annecdote if it were true.
Are you insinuating that DD
October 3, 2008 - 16:13 ET by BDAre you insinuating that DD Eisenhower did NOT write a letter in which he personally took blame for a potential of the failure of the invasion of Normandy?
In the actual handwritten note used as a draft for an expected typed note which he hoped never to have to have transcribed the contents are as follows:
The desired point made by McCain was that Eisenhower had the courage to prepare for his own dismissal for failing in his mission, and not attempting to throw aspersions in a dishonorable way upon his subordinates such as we have seen Liberals do.
In other words, McCain was honoring a man of great honor himself.
I wonder when Barney Frank will do so? or Bill Clinton? Ooooppppsss.... I fogrot, honor is so GAUCHE to liberals today. maintaining power and ensuring a life of no consequense is key instead.
I'm not paying my mortgage anymore
October 3, 2008 - 11:04 ET by play21cw"Number two, with regard to bankruptcy now, Gwen, what we should be doing now -- and Barack Obama and I support it -- we should be allowing bankruptcy courts to be able to re-adjust not just the interest rate you're paying on your mortgage to be able to stay in your home, but be able to adjust the principal that you owe, the principal that you owe."
-Biden
»→ Sounds good to me
October 3, 2008 - 11:10 ET by Cool ArrowI want to dig up the old f@rt who sold me this house and renegotiate the selling price.
Come to think of it, Joe's right. We should have the right to welsh on any deal we want.
I'm gonna go renegotiate my taxesw later today. What was that nonsense Biden was talking about respect when he was growing up? Biden is a lying sack of crap, but only when his lips are moving.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Yea, I’m going to go out
October 3, 2008 - 11:57 ET by play21cwYea, I’m going to go out and finance a Rolls Royce, and then in a week tell em I cant afford it, but it wouldn’t be fair to have to give it back (according to biden) so i want to drop the price a few 100k. Also going to get a new credit card and take my entire family on a 15 day cruise, and then renegotiate the price, after my family deserves a vacation, and I wouldn’t want to upset them, I shouldn’t have to miss it because I made a bad choice. I also cant afford car insurance, I think the government should pay for that. And my lawn needs cutting, and leaves need to be picked up, and I just remodeled my house, but the market crashed, so why should I take the hit and not make that money back when i go to sell, so I want that money back too. Come to think of it, I want to be reimbursed for time spent paying my taxes. Actually change may not be such a bad thing after all…
Sorry for the rant.
Look, that was a gaffe by biden, he wasn’t supposed to say that yet, it is part of their plan to turn the USA into a Socialist Welfare state. And he revealed part of the deal a little early.
»→ Start the Tax Revolt
October 3, 2008 - 12:11 ET by Cool ArrowStrike up the Warren Zevon:
Pitchforks and torches all around. And McCain refused to stand as a statesman.
It is the BEST song to run
October 3, 2008 - 12:24 ET by BDIt is the BEST song to run in formation by ....EVER!
When Sarah met Charlie & Katie
October 3, 2008 - 11:11 ET by coffee260Has anybody checked on Charles Gibson & Katie Couric today? They have to be scratching their heads wondering what just hit them. After all their splicing and editing and cleaverly designed gotcha questions, after late night strategy sessions about how to caricature Sarah Palin, and after two weeks of cocktail party musings about just to rid this race of this illiterate, Christian extremist, one measling vice presidential debate blows all their plans out of the water.
Compare the ABC & CBS interviews to what you watched last night. If you don't feel like you need to take a shower from the two former viewings, you didn't watch them. I really feel violated in retrospect.
»→ Obama's Union Busting buddy
October 3, 2008 - 11:13 ET by Cool ArrowGotta love it.
I guess it's OK to smash unions if you're black and an ardent Obamanite.
I say we go after the Teachers next. Obama says we can.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
I watched NBC's coverage
October 3, 2008 - 11:47 ET by balboaI watched NBC's coverage last night and they all seemed to think it was Sarah's night.
»→ House of Thieves
October 3, 2008 - 11:53 ET by Cool ArrowI sent this letter to my Congressman:
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Only B for bleeding in a campaign is the B in OBama and Biden
October 3, 2008 - 11:59 ET by Lame CherryPlease Newsbusters, do not get suckered into the MSM talking points about bleeding. The only bleeding being done is in Obama / Biden and the dimwits like Letterman and Conan O'Brien.
O'Brien last night taped before the debate and made a "joke" about Palin thinking Supreme Court meant a court with more cheese.
O'Brien looks like a fool as Gov. Palin showed who she is as brilliant.
Letterman had an old guy dressed in drag as Gov. Palin singing like a southern hillbilly. Talk about hate speech.
I post below my blog which explains all of this completely in what Gov. Palin accomplished as it appears everyone has missed what she was entrusted to do and she did it perfectly.
McCain / Palin know exactly what they are doing, they are exactly where they want to be and are taking both campaigns exactly where they want them.
Get that point people, John McCain and Sarah Palin are now running the Obama campaign. That ain't bleedin baby, that is drill baby drill and Palin hit the Obama jugglar last night.
God bless
http://lamecherry.bl...
As the only lame blogger, below room temperature, who was inspired
enough to note Gov. Sarah Palin's brilliant operation and predict it
before the debate, I suppose it is time to educate those on the fringe
and the left exactly what was occurring when Sarahcuda took the stage
and trounced Joe Biden in a debate.
In none of this in God's
plan, do I want to leave the impression that Joe Biden did anything but
a fine job in the debate. That mark of Biden as Chris Wallace noted in
not self destructing make what Gov. Palin accomplished even more
remarkable as she defeated as fine of debater as America has produced
in the past 50 years.
Confirmation of what I noted last
night in this blog was unleashed by the McCain camp today. While the
liberal and fringe press were attempting to term Gov. Palin as just
getting through the debate or terming her less than intelligent names,
the McCain campaign had marshalled a telling task to set up the final
stage of the campaign.
I will repeat that to those who are airheads
and ignorant the fact that John McCain placed on Sarah Palin the
cornerstone and foundation of the entire campaign to defeat Obama
/Biden.
This was not some low bar she had to clear. This was the
impossible task in a debate to maneuver and dominate Joe Biden who is
one of the most adept "stretchers of the Truth" in politics.
Repeatedly
Sarah Palin last night cut Joe Biden out from the Obama camp noting Mr.
Biden's votes which were not agreeing with Barack Obama. Repeatedly Mr.
Biden feinted at returning to the Biden herd and once again Gov. Palin
would cut him out with the facts of his voting and the statements which
Joe Biden had made in Obama is not ready to be President and was
playing politics with the lives of US Soldiers serving in war zones.
In
the end, Joe Biden agreed with Gov. Palin and remained outside the
Obama camp and chose to attack Dick Cheney, in which Joe Biden actually
got it wrong what the job of Vice President is.
The fact of the
above which I spoke of immediately noting the Palin operation appeared
this morning in new campaign ads appeared across America featuring
Barack Obama being castigated by Joe Biden in exposing Obama as a
political hack playing with US Soldier's lives in denying funding and
not ready for the White House.
These commercials did not just
appear by accident or chance. This was an absolute marked out brilliant
strategy sitting on the shelf for weeks. While Katie Couric was bashing
the Gov., while David Letterman was smearing both John McCain and Sarah
Palin, while the fringe media like Jeff Rense were suckered into
posting things degrading a fine American woman, McCain / Palin had a
definite strategy for a campaign as this juncture mapped out and they
put it all on Gov. Palin to complete.
If the PUMA women in the
Democratic circles want to know how much value the McCain camp puts on
Sarah Palin, just note exactly the task set before her. She was hemmed
in by the Nazi press in a Battle of the Bulge and Gov. Palin told the
attackers, "NUTS!" and pressed on alone just like she did at the
Republican Convention.
She did this by God's Grace for all
Americans, but especially for the women of the Democratic Party. I want
all women to note this that it has been Barack Obama who has been
destroying women. He hides his Grandmother in an apartment like dog in
Hawaii. Mya his sister gets to walk Gram after dark and gets to come
out to Denver to draw in minority Pacific votes and then is ushered
back into the cave. Hillary Clinton is ravaged and savaged by Barack
Obama and who is Obama, Matthews, Olbermann, Rense, Couric and the host
of people who have claimed to be for women now trashing, but an
American woman who is daring to prove for all women that they belong in
thee seat of power in America.
Gov. Palin is a last hope for
this generation of women as Ferraro was saddled to looser Mondale,
Hillary has been trashed and will be too old to run in 8 years and Gov.
Palin is it, because the old boy network and the cutie Couric network
do not want any more women competing for the power jobs, so American
women either get this with Sarah Palin or the big boys and girls are
going to make sure a woman does not get on the ticket again for 50
years.
Make no mistake, Gov. Palin in the debate proved she is
intelligent, brilliant, gifted and savvy. Gov. Palin proved she is not
only qualified to be Vice President, but to be the President of the
United States.
I predicted that Gwen Ifill would come up with the
code words of "experience" and "heartbeat away" to smear Gov. Palin,
but the Governor just slapped them aside proving how inept Gwen Ifill
is and how fitting she belongs to the Obama campaign of loosers.
Gov.
Palin proved she is a Field General as adept as Patton, MacArthur,
Bradley and Patraeus. She was given an overwhelming assignment which
the McCain camp trusted her to complete and she overwhelmed the
opposition of Joe Biden and Gwen Ifill for the Obama camp.
In
American military terms, Joe Biden was the Stonewall Jackson of this
battle, but Sarah Palin was the William Tecumseh Sherman and she out
generaled the best the Democrats had.
For all her lame antagonists who missed the above, they owe her an apology if they are ladies and gentlemen.
For
all her supporters, Gov. Palin proved what we have known from the
beginning of her greener days we witnessed her in amazement, we now
treasure her in these days she masters in God's Grace, because she
measures not only the sands of time, but measured Joe Biden out in the
balance and it is time Gov. Palin measures out Barack Obama in the
balance to expose him as empty.
agtG
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»→ Boehner's crying
October 3, 2008 - 12:02 ET by Cool ArrowI can't believe John Boehner mustered up enough gall to cry upon ending his 6 minutes
Chesshire Cat Pelosi is laughing about her $33 million in pork for American Samoa and StarKist.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Historic House Vote to Socialize Wall Street Today!
October 3, 2008 - 12:11 ET by PopularTechMedia Promote a Socialist America (MarketWatch)
More financial rescues, taxes and socialism. What happened to common sense in America? (Laurie Roth, Ph.D.)
Senator Bunning Blasts "Financial Socialism" (Canada Free Press)
Socialist “Bailout” Could Spark Collapse (Accuracy in Media)
Socialism Is Coming to America (Canada Free Press)
Socialism: The Senate Bailout Bill (Rush Limbaugh)
U.S. on reverse socialism path (Ronald Solberg, Ph.D. Economics)
Wall Street Socialism (Alvaro Vargas Llosa, M.A. Economics)
Ron Paul explains why the bailout is a bad idea on Fox Business News (Video) (10min)
Peter Schiff - We're Broke! (Video) (4min) (Peter Schiff, B.S. Finance and Accounting, President Euro Pacific Capital)
Peter Schiff laughed at on Fox News in 2006 (Video) (4min)
The Housing Bubble (Case-Shiller index)
- California Home Prices Drop Record 41% Amid Defaults (Bloomberg)
- Home Prices Drop Record 16.3 Percent (MoneyNews)
- Record 1.2 Million Homes Hit by Foreclosure (MoneyNews)
231 Economists Sign a Letter Against Paulson's Plan
A Bailout We Don't Need (James K. Galbraith, Ph.D. Economics)
An Open Letter to Congress on the $700B Paulson Bailout Plan (Michael Shedlock, Investment Advisor)
Bailouts will lead to rough economic ride (Ron Paul, Economics Scholar)
Bankruptcy, not bailout, is the right answer (Jeffrey Miron, Ph.D. Economics, MIT)
Can Congress Fix A Problem It Caused? (Thomas Sowell, Ph.D. Economics)
Can the Rescue Plan Fix the US Economy? (Frank Shostak, Ph.D. Economics)
Conservatives Should Oppose Corporate Welfare (Robert Murphy, Ph.D. Economics)
Credit Is Flowing, Sky Is Not Falling, Don’t Panic (Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Economics)
Doing Something? (John Berlau, B.S. Economics)
Don't Bail Them Out (Lew Rockwell, Economist)
How to Avoid Another Depression (Mark Thornton, Ph.D. Economics)
In Financial Food Chains, Little Guys Can’t Win (Ben Stein, B.S. Economics)
Let Risk-Taking Financial Institutions Fail (Ari J. Officer, M.S. Financial Mathematics, Lawrence H. Officer, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
No bailout necessary (Earl Thompson, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
No Bailouts: Let the Hammer Fall (Johnnie B. Byrd, B.S. Business Administration)
Not Buying It (Steven Landsburg, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Republicans on the Left and Democrats on the Right (Ivan Eland, M.B.A. Applied Economics)
Scaring Us to Death (Walter E. Williams, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
The Great Bank Robbery of 2008 (Robert Murphy, Ph.D. Economics)
The Idiocy of Wall Street: Applauding Its Own Demise (Don A Rich, Professor of Economics)
The Rescue Package Will Delay Recovery (Frank Shostak Ph.D. Economics)
The Wall Street Bulls Are Lying to You (David Frazier, B.S. Finance and Economics)
U.S. government should bail out of bailouts (Craig R. Smith, CEO Swiss America Trading Corporation)
Why Paulson is wrong (Luigi Zingales, Ph.D. Economics)
BB&T CEO John Allison slams bailout plan (Baltimore Business Journal)
Ben Stein: Stop the Wall Street Looting (MoneyNews)
Bert Ely Banking industry expert: Bailout Not Necessary (MoneyNews)
Jim Rogers: Bailout Idea a Disaster (MoneyNews)
Newt Gingrich: Kill the Paulson Plan. Hard. (U.S. News and World Report)
Robert Shiller: Bailout Plan a Blank Check (MoneyNews)
$700 Billion Won't Buy What Pro-Market Solutions Can (Deroy Murdock, Human Events)
A Bailout Is Not the Answer (Michael Reagan, NewsMax)
Bailout Boondoggle (Craig Shirley, Townhall)
Bailout Could Deepen Crisis, CBO Chief Says (Washington Post)
Bailout: Far Worse than a Recession (Mac Johnson, Human Events)
Bailout marks Karl Marx's comeback (Financial Post, Canada)
Bailout: The Sucker Punch (The Motley Fool)
Dangers in the Bailout (Jed Babbin, Human Events)
Dems Bailout Proposal Redirects ‘Paulson’s Profits’ To Left-Wing Groups (Warner Todd Huston, Canada Free Press)
I Won't Give Goldman My $200 Million Lottery Win (Bloomberg)
Liberals Try to Bail Out ACORN and Other Radical Community Organizer Groups (Canada Free Press)
Let Them Go Bankrupt; Save a Trillion Dollars (The Heartland Institute)
No Bailout, Some Conservatives Insist (CNSNews)
Social Security for bankers who fail and are frauds. Isn’t that precious? (Laurie Roth, Ph.D.)
Taxpayer Bailout: Just Say No (MoneyNews)
The Case Against the Bailout (Steve Chapman, RealClearPolitics)
They Gave Your Mortgage to a Less Qualified Minority (Ann Coulter, Human Events)
U.S. Intel Experts: Bailout Weakens U.S. Power (NewsMax)
Venture Capitalist: Bailouts Are Communist (MoneyNews)
What Happened to Market Discipline? (John Stossel, RealClearPolitics)
Why the Rush for the Bailout? (Paul M. Weyrich, NewsMax)
Henry Paulson, CEO Goldman Sachs (1999-2006)
Bank of America: 'Paulson Plan Benefits Mostly Goldman, Morgan' (Seeking Alpha)
Paulson & Bernanke: Financial Dictators (Ludwig Von Mises Institute)
Why Henry Paulson must be "contained" (Michelle Malkin)
The Real Cost of a Full Bailout (Ludwig Von Mises Institute)
- Bill Gross: Total Bailout At Least $1.2 Trillion (MoneyNews)
- FDIC May Need $150 Billion Bailout as More Banks Fail (Bloomberg)
- Ritholz: Bailout Will Cost At Least $1.5 Trillion (MoneyNews)
»→ PopTech
October 3, 2008 - 12:17 ET by Cool ArrowWe don't always agree on everything.
If we did, one of us would be unnecessary.
I hope you don't mind if I stand here with you and watch this disgusting display of gratuitous pork slinging.
Sweeteners, my butt.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
CA and PT... Yep, calling
October 3, 2008 - 12:28 ET by bigtimerCA and PT...
Yep, calling it a Rescue Plan instead of a Bail-Out Bill...changing Pork to Sweeteners now...
Still lipstick on a pig....
This is our money...this is a mess they helped create...
The filthy swines all.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
»→ Done deal
October 3, 2008 - 12:12 ET by Cool ArrowWe just got sold out. We can vote ourselves money now, even when we don't want it.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Dellaying the inevitable for a few months - Massive Inflation!
October 3, 2008 - 12:19 ET by PopularTechHomes are still going to be defaulting like crazy and lending is still going to get tighter. I am doing everything I can to cut expenses as fast as possible and stock up on supplies.
Injecting Billions of dollars is going to cause massive inflation.
I can't wait until idiots start complaining about food and gas prices in a few months!
Your Real Inflation Rate (Video) (2min)
What's America's real inflation rate? (WorldNetDaily)
»→ No kidding
October 3, 2008 - 12:21 ET by Cool ArrowI can hear it now
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
CA... ...yeah I listened
October 3, 2008 - 12:20 ET by bigtimerCA...
...yeah I listened to the speech too from Pelosi, so far we have 44,47 now so-called conservatives voting for this...
Pathetic.
...this may be a day I decide to get plastered.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Well, they are voting on
October 3, 2008 - 12:14 ET by bigtimerWell, they are voting on the Bail-Out bill...
Looks like we've lost, guess they all got enough pork.
Sad day in my opinion.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
»→ Big loser - McCain
October 3, 2008 - 12:20 ET by Cool ArrowJohn McCain could have been a statesman standing alone against pork.
He chose to follow the herd along with his opponent. Could have drawn a distinction between himself and the Obamanites.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
CA, Exactly, don't know
October 3, 2008 - 12:25 ET by bigtimerCA,
Exactly, don't know if you have seen my posts regarding McCain, of all people doing this, the man who runs against pork 24/7 voted for it.
He also lost my vote becuse of this,I was only voting for him because of Palin to begin with and if my congress-critter voted for this after voting no on Monday, he won't get it either...which I told him this morning.
I've had my fill of RINOs...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
»→ You know, bt
October 3, 2008 - 12:33 ET by Cool ArrowWe knew this was coming. I poured all my 401k into stock yesterday anticipating this bailout, only because I knew which way the market would go today.
It's coming right back out as soon as I've made a tidy sum.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Good for you CA, but the
October 3, 2008 - 12:38 ET by bigtimerGood for you CA, but the market has been falling since the vote...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
»→ It's OK bt
October 3, 2008 - 12:45 ET by Cool ArrowI increased my holding by 6% in 6 days ending yesterday anticipating the antics of Congress.
If today cuts it down to 4.5% (which is what it looks like) I'm happy to have done something rather than cower in fear of another shoe dropping.
My friends at work were afraid to move theirs, and they are 3% down over the same week.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Riled One... Believe me,
October 3, 2008 - 12:54 ET by bigtimerRiled One...
Believe me, I want smart people like you to make money, but I do hope the market falls because of this, the people that voted for this, I hope they pay, in more ways than one.
If they thought the market was going to explode upwards because of the msm and some critters speaking on Wall Street, instead of listening to others that had differing opinions these lemmings are going to get their just desserts.
I mean we have people like McCain that wants liberals in his cabinet blah blah blah...
I am so sickened by all of this.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
»→ Me too bt
October 3, 2008 - 13:02 ET by Cool ArrowI'm rather proud of the market for being so fickle with its government suitor.
This was unnecessary nonsense, and the only possible silver lining failed to materialize when John McCain left his spine on the Senate floor.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
F#ck Congress!
October 3, 2008 - 12:27 ET by PopularTechI'm out of here, I got to protect my family. Adios everyone.
263-171 We lost big time,
October 3, 2008 - 12:36 ET by bigtimer263-171
We lost big time, last I saw there were over 98 or something like that of 'R's' that voted for this...
I'm done.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Reaction
October 3, 2008 - 12:42 ET by JDWDOW selling on bailout
JDW
DAILY WAVE
'Hey Chuck, Stand Up!'
I have no confidence in
October 3, 2008 - 14:27 ET by Carl KolchakI have no confidence in politicians, so I'm writing in Elvis for President and Colonel Tom Parker for VP. In my opinion Colonel Tom Parker is much more ethical that the current politicians passing laws. Oh, and yes I do want a bailout for Graceland as soon as possible and I want it in the billions.
»→ Market UNIMPRESSED!
October 3, 2008 - 12:37 ET by Cool ArrowWhodathunkit?
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Well, it was down, now
October 3, 2008 - 12:43 ET by bigtimerWell, it was down, now moving back up..
..the whole point is the market should of taken care of all of this in the first place.
Plus investigations where needed, but we have to pay for this...I am furious.
this could of been stopped with the rules vote this morning...the 20 that voted for that, I hope the pay.
Latourette (sp) made a great floor speech before this final vote.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Mark this date, my friends: Friday, October 03, 2008.
October 3, 2008 - 12:43 ET by R D HelmAs this will be forever known as the date when the United States House of Representatives voted to make this nation officially socialist.
Well, free republics generally have a life-span of 200 years. As I see it, we got 32 bonus years.
I hope that when George W. Bush signs this travesty into law, that at least one true American in the House has the guts to introduce the Articles of Impeachment against him.
Its only the right thing to do.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McCain in '08
Yep, I'm done with wasting
October 3, 2008 - 12:47 ET by bigtimerYep, I'm done with wasting my $$$ on phone calls, plus I do not want to hear anybody bitch about this that didn't bother to take the time and express their outrage about this to their congress-creeps that voted for this...
I blame the people to an extent.
If you do nothing, you get what you deserve.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt, I am so angry that I am at a loss for words.
October 3, 2008 - 13:07 ET by R D HelmI now consider George W. Bush's presidency to be a failure.
I am truly sorry, but I honestly cannot see it any other way.
Not only did he double the size and scope of the federal government during his tenure, but he is going to willingly sign the bill that will ultimately result in the bankruptcy of this nation, if it isn't bankrupt already.
It is as if he single-handedly erased the gains Ronald Reagan had made in holding off the socialist horde. On the contrary, he greased the rails for them, then helped push them along.
Ronald Reagan must be spinning in his grave right now.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McCain in '08
Dave, you know you are not
October 3, 2008 - 13:14 ET by bigtimerDave, you know you are not alone.
I am going to make me a cold one.
I haven't been this furious for years.
Plus I know full well that a lot of the lemmings with an R behind their name did this for McCain.
Screw McCain and the horse he thinks he rides on.
We now have socialism to the fullest in more ways than one in the free markets...I just do not know how to explain my outrage about all of this on this board.
It is times like this we cannot get together that feel the same about this here on the board.
I cannot stand to listen to the congress-critters bragging about this right now like Pelosi and Barney, let alone the President.
Where are the proud repubs that forked us tax-payers...along with no accountability by the very members who created this to begin with..they are in the clear now.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt,
October 3, 2008 - 13:36 ET by R D HelmI cannot stand to listen to the congress-critters bragging about this right now like Pelosi and Barney, let alone the President.
Did you notice when Pelosi and Co. were dancing around high-fiving each other, there was not one single republicritter to be seen?
I don't blame the spineless critters for not wanting to show their mugs in public. They should be ashamed.
Hopefully, after Novermber 4th, they will be packing up their congressional offices.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McCain in '08
bt... Too late to have
October 3, 2008 - 14:39 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
Too late to have McCain and Palin switch places isn't it?
Insane Results From Palin/Biden Debate
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»→ The Republic of Texas
October 3, 2008 - 12:51 ET by Cool ArrowI'm thinking this is not the deal Texicans signed on to.
We now have a bunch of glad handing back slapping fools fighting over a microphone to brag about how handily they screwed a constituency that indicated 10-1 against this venture into SOCIALISM.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Cool, about the only hope we have left...
October 3, 2008 - 13:12 ET by R D Helm...is that the people in congress, particularly the House, and any senators who voted for this who are up for re-election, be voted out next month.
Somehow, I find that prospect highly unlikely, given the stupidity of the average American today.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McCain in '08
Yeah Cool,
October 3, 2008 - 13:25 ET by RESTLESS 1Maybe Texas should become independent again. We are doing fine down here without the handouts from DC. Our economy is still growing, albeit at a slower pace than before. Our housing market puts the rest to shame. And if O is elected, it may be time to high tail it. Why should we have to put up with the stupidity of the rest?
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
WOO-HOOOO!!!!!
October 3, 2008 - 14:04 ET by NBFWOO-HOOOO!!!!!
Easy money is back in play! Let the drunkeness.... RESUME!!!! Let's dig ourselves in deeper while the average consumer gets taxed to death.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
NBF... Join the party!
October 3, 2008 - 14:32 ET by Clear thinkerNBF...
Join the party! I'm seriously thinking about throwing a 'We got screwed' party this weekend for all my friends. It may be the last party I can ever afford. Wait a minute, I'll just get the tax payer to finance my parties. Cool!
Insane Results From Palin/Biden Debate
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See how your Congresscriter
October 3, 2008 - 13:07 ET by ricklailSee how your Congresscriter voted on the bailout here.
Looks like only four
October 3, 2008 - 13:19 ET by RESTLESS 1Looks like only four republicans changed their votes, Boehner being one of them, (this I won't forget), so I guess they finally got enough pork in there for the dems?
This is bad, real bad. The effects of this will play out over years.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Hey rick... Thanks, I
October 3, 2008 - 13:20 ET by bigtimerHey rick...
Thanks, I have that link saved too and hadn't got to it yet, I called my congress-critters office this morning and they said he hadn't made up his mind yet on how he was going to vote, I gave a few polite suggestions, at least he will be getting my vote again...
One thing to feel good about today...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Al Gore in McCain administration?
October 3, 2008 - 13:57 ET by bigtimerI just heard on Rush that McCain wants to put Al Gore in his cabinet as some kind of a global warming expert...
Is this true...does anybody else know that has heard of this?
I just caught part of it, haven't googled anywhere yet because I am too lazy at the moment and mad about the bail-out bill.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt, Bob Dole II is determined to lose this election.
October 3, 2008 - 14:06 ET by R D HelmAnd McCain's campaign may even be worse than that.
I heard the same thing you did about Gore, but cannot confirm it just now. Won't surprise me if it turns out to be true.
I mean, this is McCain we are talking about.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McCain in '08
Gore in the cabinet of McCain
October 3, 2008 - 14:19 ET by bigtimerOh Dave...I'm laughing out loud, if you think I doubted this about McCain wanting gore in his cabinet regarding warming BS...I don't, I just was wondering if he was really stupid enough to say those words, he doesn't know how to quit kicking us conservatives in the teeth, his base will not vote for him, well, I'll put it this way, he is cutting his numbers now.
I'm one of them, my neighbors are another too...we have had it, we were happy about Palin, his son served in Balad, he is a conservative, they both are, it's just enough is enough..
Btw...I'd take Dole over McCain anytime.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
RD... I think it's solid
October 3, 2008 - 14:37 ET by Clear thinkerRD...
I think it's solid info. Early in Rush's show today he made a comment about something that he said he won't bring up. Later he then said that McCain wants Gore in his cabinet, then immediately after saying it Rush said something to the effect that "and I promised I say it today". So, it looks like Rush knew but might have promised not to say anything today about. Then out of sheer frustration, he let the cat out of the bag. Palin for POTUS!!!
Insane Results From Palin/Biden Debate
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Hi Ct... Hey thanks for
October 3, 2008 - 14:42 ET by bigtimerHi Ct...
Hey thanks for the rest of the fill in I didn't hear about regarding this with Rush...I was wondering if anybody else heard this, if he was serious or not...
I guess you saw my posts above that started all of this...
Figures doesn't it?
I'm so back to done with him...since his vote on the Senate floor...this just adds a cherry on top.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt... It may be putting a
October 3, 2008 - 15:39 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
It may be putting a cherry on top for you, but for me it's like putting a grave-stone on it!
Insane Results From Palin/Biden Debate
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Sarah did a great job last
October 3, 2008 - 14:28 ET by Clear thinkerSarah did a great job last night. However, the left seems to look at it very differently. Forget the polls, see what they talked about below. I promise you, it will leave you shaking your head in complete dis-belief...
Insane Results From Palin/Biden Debate
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See Ya Sarah.
October 3, 2008 - 14:32 ET by KarmaHope to see you in 2012. Please leave the pig in Arizona.
HOWDY Mr. Barr!!! Do ya want a little help?
That "pig"
October 3, 2008 - 14:54 ET by NeoConfirmedThat Senatorial Porkers' chances have all but evaporated.
October 3, 2008 - 15:22 ET by KarmaI did have a little respect for him. Albeit very little, and now it's gone. I am not the only Ohioan who, after the bailout vote, believes he will now lose this State. He made a HUGE mistake.
NC, I don't think that John McPork is going to be the next POTUS
October 3, 2008 - 15:27 ET by R D HelmAs his support for that pork-fat dripping bailout that Bush just signed into law has pretty much ruined whatever slim chance he had, particularly among real condservatives.
I think our next president will be someone who, due to their religious beliefs, probably doesn't eat pork-he just throws it around to garner the votes of his adoring followers.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
RD
October 3, 2008 - 15:35 ET by NeoConfirmedNC... He's invested into
October 3, 2008 - 15:50 ET by bigtimerNC...
He's invested into going after the left voters...let him have at it...
I have had it.
He is not a republican...period.
He is a RINO/...he wants to put Gore in his administration on global warming issues, I'd whine the same with him there too...no difference for me anymore.
Hopefully we will have it be Palin vs. Hillary
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
October 3, 2008 - 17:17 ET by NeoConfirmedNC, Did you see what happened today? The socialists have won.
October 3, 2008 - 16:01 ET by R D HelmThe socialists don't have to do anything now, other than kick back and wait a little while, because the RINOs have beat them to the punch.
Do you have any idea what this bailout really means for this country?
BTW, welcome to the mortgage business. :-)
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
Oh Gag Me.... Barf Bag
October 3, 2008 - 16:08 ET by bigtimerOh Gag Me.... Barf Bag time... here are some of the words from McCain...
What I enjoy reading are the posts on FR...
They echo a lot of our differing views...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt, Get Drunk And Vote 4 McCain can be fun, too.
October 3, 2008 - 16:29 ET by R D Helmbt, Get Drunk And Vote 4 McCain can be fun, too.
LOL-About the only way I am going to vote for McPork is if I am hammered to the edge of consciousness, anyway.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
Pass the JD Dave... Heck,
October 3, 2008 - 17:25 ET by bigtimerPass the JD Dave...
Heck, that won't even do the trick for me...
And to NC...I know very well how the system/parties and voting work...I am going to vote, either McCain or Obama is going to win, I just won't support either, I have had enough of McCain's bullshite.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
The monumentally stupid
October 3, 2008 - 17:18 ET by NBFThe monumentally stupid thing is that if McCain had come out against the bailout, he'd be ahead of Obama by at least 10 points. Do you realize how many people from all across the political spectrum are FURIOUS over this reward-irresponsibility bailout?
Exactly NBF... That was
October 3, 2008 - 17:36 ET by bigtimerExactly NBF...
That was the tipping point for me with him, he is supposedly the Sheriff of the Senate with pork, heck if he is...he will and always has done what he wants to do, and it has usually hurt us...look at the oil/gas prices, we only needed one vote in '05 to get oil on the way from ANWR, over 2 million jobs would of been created, but he led the way in the Senate against this...we lost by ONE vote...I won't forget it either, I was willing to vote for him because of Palin, no more for me...I can't stomach him any longer...
I just wonder how far he is going to cave/pander to the left in the next two debates...it isn't hard for him to do either...he has done this for years, I am sick of people saying this is just a brilliant strategic move for him politically to garner votes from the left...when are people going to wake up and realize he belongs with the left, national defense wise he is okay...that is it.
...another stupid thing he has done is not have Sarah on the campaign trail in all the states like Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Pa. ect...
He just can't get over himself enough to put Country first like he likes to say and have to accept the fact that people are voting for her, not him...he is that narcissistic.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Fair and Balanced
October 3, 2008 - 17:44 ET by KarmaObama is also not worthy of my support. I will actively speak out against both of them. May the worst man lose.
Karma... I agree, as I'm
October 3, 2008 - 17:52 ET by bigtimerKarma... I agree, as I'm sure you know...lol.
He made a huge mistake pulling her off the campaign trail, his numbers were rising all over the place, everywhere with her on the stump everyday...
Noooo, the caved to the msm also adn had her do that hideous cut up edited trickled out interview with the witch Couric...
How smart was that...
I can't believe how I have watched him self-implode.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
NBF,
October 4, 2008 - 00:50 ET by R D HelmFrom what I have seen poll-wise, the opposition to this insanity has softened not at all since last Monday. The American people are not buying Paulson's naked fear-mongering.
Too bad George W. Bush (who has apparently morphed into Chicken Little in the last two weeks) drank Paulson's Kool-Aid by the gallon.
This was a classic example of a "representative" government giving its constituents the finger.
Face it, they have forked us.
Royally.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
News Flash... To all my
October 3, 2008 - 15:03 ET by Clear thinkerNews Flash...
To all my fellow North Carolinians: I just heard on the radio that Obama will be holding a rally in my neck of the woods tomorrow (Saturday) at Asheville High Stadium. Maybe we could all get together and wave Che banners or something similar.
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»→ Obama Rally
October 3, 2008 - 15:07 ET by Cool ArrowBiden's certainly got the Jewish vote.
We kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon - Joe Biden
Cool... And he says
October 3, 2008 - 15:12 ET by Clear thinkerCool...
And he says he's Israels best friend too!
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Hooray for High Taxes
October 3, 2008 - 15:26 ET by LionKingApparently the notion of higher taxes and more revenue isn't working in Kalifornia.
Arnold, perhaps you and the liberal ilk there need to raise taxes even more. You subsidize illegal aliens and their families...you wonder why your State is in s state of financial distress.
Ain't socialism grand, Arnold?
You must understand the
October 3, 2008 - 15:39 ET by BDYou must understand the liberal mindset. Unlike a conservative who realizes that taxations purpose is to provide revenue to pay for a limited set of governmental expenditures, a liberal assumes the purpose of taxation is to wreck vengeance upon their social enemies.
Lower tax rates ALWAYS provide higher revenues in the long run in accordance with the Laffer Curve, but that is unimportant to a liberal as long as he emotionally believes "The rich are getting shafted." Hell, they will even raise their own taxes as long as they can assume the rich are feeling pain.
BD ... taxes
October 3, 2008 - 16:53 ET by LionKingWhat I do not understand from people like Warren Buffett that says that he is not taxed enough.
NEWS FLASH: Liberals desiring higher taxes can start by voluntarily paying more themselves.
If I was president I would
October 3, 2008 - 21:49 ET by BDIf I was president I would print up thousands of "Voluntary contributions" forms and carry them to debates and such. When some liberal would say that I would simply procede over t them and deposit the form on their desk and say "Have at it."
Liberals will only do good when it is forced upon them at the point of a gun.
The Stock Market appears headed straight for the basement.
October 3, 2008 - 15:55 ET by R D HelmThank God it doesn't reopen until Monday.
Some rescue.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
Yeah funny wasn't it Dave,
October 3, 2008 - 16:14 ET by bigtimerYeah funny wasn't it Dave, stock just shot right up there...I heard this excuse and that excuse from critters like Liz Claman who were wanting, needing this to go through desperately with their of course unbiased opinions for a week of better...lol...
Mostly using the Wells Fargo/Citibank/Wachovia for the biggest excuse, when they all, I mean all thought it would shoot up...
Yeah right, hope the RINO weenies are proud.
We're having a cloudburst thunderstorm so may lose power here...if so catch ya' later...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Film Actors Guild
October 3, 2008 - 16:50 ET by LionKingOh, no ... Looks like more trouble in paradise.
LK... Oh no, what will we
October 3, 2008 - 16:58 ET by bigtimerLK...
Oh no, what will we ever do?
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT ... can you say RESCUE PLAN ?
October 3, 2008 - 17:01 ET by LionKingIn the event that this does occur, I am sure that Congress can come up with a RESCUE PLAN.
In fact, most of what they do is comedic, so we are half-way home. If they will document how they are actually destroying America, they may have some drama also.
HOORAY!!! Congress to the rescue!!!
Well now Lion, that was
October 3, 2008 - 17:05 ET by bigtimerWell now Lion, that was hilarious...
Thanks for giving me something to chuckle about after a day like today...
Btw...I think the Rescue Plan had a Hollywood earmark/pork for them too...
Isn't that precious...and they still need more...waaaah...waaah...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Excellent YouTube video I found about the bailout.
October 3, 2008 - 17:04 ET by R D HelmThis is would be hilarious, if it weren't so damned sad.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
RD ... great video
October 3, 2008 - 17:08 ET by LionKingSad, heck Dave I am still
October 3, 2008 - 17:10 ET by bigtimerSad, heck Dave I am still mad, haven't got to the sad part yet...
...that is a sweet&short to the point video...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt,
October 3, 2008 - 17:17 ET by R D HelmI'm still so steamed I could chew through a brick.
I wonder what King Paulson has in store for us, now that George has abdicated and given him the keys to the kingdom?
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
RD... It just occured to
October 3, 2008 - 17:59 ET by Clear thinkerRD...
It just occured to me that there could be another down side to the bailout. For business people that make money the old fashion way (they earn it), I fear they will cut their losses, gather up their money and valuables and move out of the country. And there goes billions of dollars worth of investments and of course job creation.
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Ct,
October 4, 2008 - 00:42 ET by R D HelmI am quite sure that those who have the means to do so began putting the finishing touches on their respective "escape plans" early last week.
They, along with their assets, will be leaving to join the $13+ Trillion dollars that has been driven off-shore due to the confiscatory 35% corporate tax rate that exists in this supposedly "free" country.
Notice this "rescue" bill failed to address that, or the hideously high capital-gains tax that exists here.
Bet the non-pajama wearing Chicoms are jumping for joy right about now, gleefully anticipating their coming rise to world economic dominance.
Hell, I would be if I were them.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
Why is this offspring of a father's insufficient toe-hold...
October 3, 2008 - 20:55 ET by R D Helm...still present and posting on this site?
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
It's a big tent
October 3, 2008 - 20:58 ET by bigtimerIt's a big tent thing Dave...a mighty big tent.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt... Yep, it's hard to
October 3, 2008 - 21:02 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
Yep, it's hard to keep people from sneaking under the tent flaps in the back, but they are easy to spot because they had to crawl through the Elephant pooh!
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Hey Ct... I love your
October 3, 2008 - 21:10 ET by bigtimerHey Ct... I love your site...I commented there today.
So many of you guys are making your sites that I know here...not enough time in a day, especially if you have basically started with NBs if you all know what I mean...seems once you start here at times you just can't stop.
Good luck to all....that's for sure... doggone it.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt, problem is, the tent is one size for some here...
October 3, 2008 - 21:12 ET by R D Helm...and another size for others.
IYGMD.
-Dave
Palin/Anybody other than McPork in '08
Howard Stern gets married!!
October 3, 2008 - 23:41 ET by shawn228Not sure how many of his fans are on NB, but my favorite radio personality of all time tied the knot today. Congratulations Howard and Beth.
Real life video games are cool
Joke?
October 4, 2008 - 09:08 ET by KarmaWhile walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck and dies.
His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.
'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.'
'No problem, just let me in,' says the man.
'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose
where to spend eternity.'
'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the senator.
'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.'
And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.
Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, Shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting Rich at the expense of the people.
They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.
Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.
Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...
The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.
'Now it's time to visit heaven.'
So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a
good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.
'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.'
The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: 'Well, I would Never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.'
So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.
Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.
He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.
The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the senator. 'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a
wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?'
The devil looks at him, smiles and says, 'Yesterday we were campaigning. Today you voted.'
karma
October 4, 2008 - 15:48 ET by Noel Sheppardkarma,
I heard that joke many years ago without the political reference. At the end, the devil says, "Yesterday you were my prospect. Today you're my client." ns
Life goes on.
October 4, 2008 - 22:03 ET by KarmaI know we don't see eye to eye on this election, Noel, but you DO have a good sense of humor. Thanks for the good work here.
Palin
October 5, 2008 - 22:01 ET by SDSLamey,
I was reading your comment and I thought, "this seems like Lame Cherry"
It's good to see you back throwin' down.