For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: bailout on!
The proposed legislation would disburse the $700 billion in stages. The first $250 billion would be issued when the legislation is enacted while another $100 billion could be spent if the president decided it was needed. The remaining $350 billion would be subject to congressional review, said a statement issued by Pelosi's office early on Sunday morning.
What do you think of this deal, especially in the context of the following from the British Telegraph:
The US stock market could suffer a devastating crash with shares losing a third of their value this week if Hank Paulson’s financial bailout plan fails, US Treasury officials have warned. The financial system could face a meltdown of 1929 proportions unless US politicians succeed in their efforts for a $700bn rescue scheme, experts added.
What do you think? Was this deal necessary? Were the risks of inaction this great, or did Wall Street stoke the hysteria so that the bailout would, well, bail THEM out?
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700 WHAT????
September 28, 2008 - 10:34 ET by MrDebaterAll they have to do is have zero% capital gains tax, remove the mark to mark way of valueing assets(the over-reaction to Enron), and lower the corporate tax to 15% until the toxic assets are re-valued and put back into the market...none of which cost us, the taxpayers...except maybe a temporary loss of revenue to the gov't(which isn't a bad thing).
Since this was obviously done in the middle of the night...
September 28, 2008 - 10:58 ET by BadgerStateDaveWhat "earmarks" are attached to this beast, and who voted for it? That's what I'd like to know.
Why did the original 3-page
September 28, 2008 - 13:40 ET by ThisnThatWhy did the original 3-page bailout provision grow to over 100 pages? And what is in those pages?
And if a bailout bill does get approved, I will not forgive McCain if he doesn't step up and take 100% credit for it.
Update 1:30pm: Obama takes credit for going to Wash, D.C. and rescuing the bailout bill. Obama says McCain should receive NO CREDIT AT ALL for the bailout bill.
No matter what you may think, this bailout bill is going forward, so the question is: who gets credit? Look at what Obama is trying to do, so that the MSM points to him as "the hero". Obama knows that McCain would naturally get the credit unless Obama intercedes -- and that is exactly what he's doing. He's counting on the MSM to ignore the obvious -- which is exactly what they are going to do.
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Setting It All Up
September 28, 2008 - 13:02 ET by JoelCTI am preparing my car with a bed, stove, and sink, so I can live in it, down by the river.
Or maybe not.
I have never known our current president to stand in front of the American people and tell a bald-fased lie, as the previous President did. Therefore, I have to assume this legislation is necessary.
However, I do not trust this current Congress to do the right thing without adding on a lot of wrong things.
As I said last week - Feds are the BIGGEST Land owners in USA
September 28, 2008 - 10:45 ET by JayTeeNow, it looks like the FEDS are Forced to add to their Land holdings, but with Improvements in the form of houses.
And with everyone in China, Europe, Africa, Canada, Mexico, etc.....wanting to come to America, This "Bailout" looks like a Good Long term investment, to BUY low and SELL High.
ONE BIG PROBLEM though, It's the Government handling the strings.
If they Treat it like the Potential for Federal land OIL LEASES, nothing will happen except WIND POWER from Congress.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
I doubt that would happen
September 28, 2008 - 10:51 ET by supercon"The US stock market could suffer a devastating crash with shares losing
a third of their value this week if Hank Paulson’s financial bailout
plan fails, US Treasury officials have warned. The financial system
could face a meltdown of 1929 proportions unless US politicians succeed
in their efforts for a $700bn rescue scheme, experts added."
Especially with everyone watching and working against it.I agree that the government may need to provide some relief and stability for the market.I also think that if we need to put up that kind of money to avoid a crisis then I want to see Barney Frank and Chris Dodd lose their committee chairs and be publicly censored.
People should be going to jail over this.Will Frank Raines and Jamie Gorelick and Jim Johnson have to return all the bonus money they recieved...?There are no consequences for the people involved at the heart of this.Only for the tax payers and share holders and depositors.We are getting a screwing like you read about.
Can you imagine the sort of dirty slush fund behavior we will see if the Congress controls billions of dollars in mortgage backed securities that will appreciate and eventually be sold.Corruption and self enrichment is guaranteed.How many of Pelosi's millionaire friends will get a chance to tap into that cake later.
This deal stinks like a rotting fish.
That will be our future if a Democrat gets in the White House with a Democrat lead Congress.
Victory in Iraq.
Liberals suck.
McCain for Preznint.
There will be no appreciation
September 28, 2008 - 10:57 ET by CapedConservativeCapedConservative
As Bernanke said, they intend to purchase "at or near full maturity value"... par. Hard to get a mortgage on a house purchased for $300K now selling for $80K to go above par. Oh, did I mention there is still about $60 Trillion of credit default swaps still out there? tick tock tick tock.
CC
The greatest theft in American History $700 Billion for Goldman
September 28, 2008 - 22:28 ET by PopularTechDon't worry CC they are going to buy worthless paper at above market prices and then try to make money on it, LMAO - morons, morons, morons. Goldman Sachs just saved itself, must be nice having the Treasury Secretary to steal $700 Billion for you.
Bank of America: 'Paulson Plan Benefits Mostly Goldman, Morgan' (Seeking Alpha)
The credit default swap market is the problem and no one is talking about it. They don't even understand what they are doing. Just declare all credit default swaps null!
Buffett's "time bomb" goes off on Wall Street (Reuters)
Buffett warns on investment 'time bomb' (BBC)
Anull Credit-Default-Swaps and keep $700 Billion
September 28, 2008 - 13:14 ET by PopularTechIf the problem is in the CDS market then fix the problem instead of wasting $700 Billion!
Credit Default Swaps:
Credit Default Swaps and the Subprime Mortgage Disaster (Best Syndication)
Cuomo Investigates Credit-Default Swaps Along With Short Sales (Bloomberg)
How 'credit default swaps'—an insurance against bad loans—turned from a smart bet into a killer (Newsweek)
Out of the Shadows and Into the Harsh Light (The New York Times)
Derivatives:
Buffett's "time bomb" goes off on Wall Street (Reuters)
Buffett On Derivatives: 'A Fool's Game' (Seeking Alpha)
Buffett warns on investment 'time bomb' (BBC)
Derivatives the new 'ticking bomb' (Market Watch)
Front Page "In Stages" Is Incorrect
September 28, 2008 - 10:54 ET by CapedConservativeCapedConservative
A lame Republican was on Fox News earlier saying:
Paulson has $700B to BUY debt immediately. No phasing. No nothing. Essentially what he asked for in the beginning. All the rest is just window dressing. Tossing ACORN on was like raising the selling price 20% so you could give a discount during negotiations..... Write this day down as it happened because those in power will be re-writing the history very soon.
CC
Speaking of ACORN
September 28, 2008 - 15:17 ET by BondPlainBondIt's obvious those in the Congress have no interest in the will of the people; however, if the ACORN add-on of $50M (an Obama pet project?) is made part of this, even after the justifiable public outrage when it was leaked the Democrats quietly slipped ACORN into the "fix", even more insult will have been added to this egregious injury caused solely by the Democratic Party.
NO ACORN ADD-ONS! EVER!
Vote out the incumbents!
NEWS FLASH
September 28, 2008 - 10:58 ET by ricklailThe Obama campaign has dispatched operatives to Gainesville and Athens to help the Gators and Dawgs put the spin on their losses yesterday. Coach Urban Myers, chosen this week as one of the whinniest coaches, was quoted as being glad to see them. Myers and his star QB have run out of spin. They are really looking forward to getting the help of the highly qualified spinmiesters from Obama. There was no comment from Coach Mark Reicht of GA who is in hiding at the boyhood home of Lewis Grizzard in Moreland. Reports that Larry Munson was with him have yet to be verifed. The game was supposed to honor Mr. Munson who retired this week as the voice of the Dawgs.
These operatives are flying in from LA where they have finished helping USC put the final touches on their spin from the loss to Oregon State and Oxford, MS where they have been trying to spin the presidential debate.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
rick, I just hope that Larry didn't have a heart attack....
September 28, 2008 - 11:09 ET by R D Helm...'cause I almost did.
Beat us like we wuzz red-headed step-chillens, they did.
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
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Uglier
September 28, 2008 - 11:12 ET by spiffI believe this is going to get uglier. How many of the homes purchased where by illegal aliens by manufacturing false financial information, fraudulent identities, and bogus citizenship documentation? Why should we be bailing these institutions out?
Also, how much of this bill is going to earmarks and how much, if any, is going to groups not interested in the sovereignty of the Untied States of America, IE La Raza or ACORN?
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It's not what they say it is!
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And Also...
September 28, 2008 - 11:42 ET by JoelCTAdd to that, this thought: How many "families" defaulting on their mortgages were actually "flippers" who got stuck with a mortgage they couldn't afford when the value of the house they wanted to "flip" lost half its value in California, New York, and Nevada?
much of this bill is going to... ACORN
September 28, 2008 - 12:52 ET by JDWThey were never in the bill: All money goes to debt reduction.
JDW
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'Hey Chuck, Stand Up!'
CONFRIMED
September 28, 2008 - 15:40 ET by JDWI have been searching for a news media link all day and finally located one: ACORN STRIPPED
JDW
DAILY WAVE
'Hey Chuck, Stand Up!'
As much as I hate the consequence...
September 28, 2008 - 11:16 ET by MrDebaterI think we should let the ship go down...as painful as it might be, I am beginning to think that it is THE ONLY WAY to get our government back...If the gov't goes broke, then maybe conservatives...WE THE PEOPLE...can start over with LOW spending and a SMALL budget.
Can't remember
September 28, 2008 - 12:08 ET by TheAssessorI agree.. then let the world come to an end. I can't remember the quote exactly but I think it's Chinese.. something about, 'order out of chaos'.
Whatever.. I'm sick of being told to dance on the head of a pin because the "elected" people in DC whine that they got caught stealing. The tail is wagging the dog. It's time 'We the People' reclaim our spot at the biggest, baddest dog on the congressional porch. That's as it should be. They are our "representatives". And I personally don't give one yen about the 'asian markets' opening tomorrow.
I was in China a couple years ago and watched the communists in action when they swooped out of nowhere to arrest a guy trying to sell a 'postcard' near Tiannemen Square. They dragged him off on his knees while they pulled him face down by the back of his neck. A POSTCARD! And now I'm being dragged by the back of MY neck. They want to prop this crap up with toothpicks and tell us we're all better now. How about Sen Pelosi telling us that she is personally going to donate a significant part of HER income to this bailout, then let that snowball to all these crooks in congress. Put up or shut up. (Sorry, I'm in a snit this morning)
"I have a bracelet too".. Barak Obama, political sociopath
John Boehner & the House (R)'s...
September 28, 2008 - 12:32 ET by BlondeHas anyone heard any of them on the talk shows this a.m.?
Frankly, I think this group has the only hope of injecting some sanity into this entire fiasco. Nanny Pelosi wants the politcal cover of this group's votes, so they're in the catbird seat.
Here are their Economic Rescue Principles.
I e-mailed my own Rep (dem, no response, natch) and also Rep. Boehner's non-consistuent addy, to which I did receive a reply. If you're really cheesed off this a.m., as you indicated, fire off an e-mail of support to the Republican House Leader. Follow the e-mail link on the right of his site.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Thanks
September 28, 2008 - 12:40 ET by TheAssessorDone. Thanks for the link.
"I have a bracelet too.." Barak Obama, political sociopath
You're welcome
September 28, 2008 - 12:48 ET by BlondeI think we're all angry and frustrated. No matter what we say or do, the pols just march along in lockstep, throwing our money away willy nilly, with nary a thought except how it's going to make them "look".
If we had any sense at all as a nation, we'd vote every single House Member out, and 1/3 of the Senate out, next month, and start the hell over. But alas, half the country are nanny-staters.
Okay, enough of my rant!
Welcome aboard NB....at least you can vent a bit here. :)
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Watch It
September 28, 2008 - 13:20 ET by JoelCTCareful, Blonde, you are starting to sound like me.
You just need to add a sarcastic sentence or two, and we'll be lock-step.
I've been thinking, "just vote against the incumbant, no matter who it is"... but there is just no way I could vote against John Cornyn and Kay Bailey-Hutchison and vote for whatever tax-and-spend clods the Democrats put up against them. This Rick Noriega guy going up against Cornyn here in Texas is a Marxist who would destroy this state if he even got elected to dogcatcher.
So I guess I am part of the problem.
Not enough, B
September 28, 2008 - 13:35 ET by Indiana JoeRant on! You make a good point, and you're not alone. The poster above me makes a good point, too, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, but desperate times and all that.
Something needs to be done to really shake up D.C. And it looks like just putting a few different faces in to run the same old system is never going to be enough to really change things.
Robert Heinlein was a sci-fi author, I heard a college prof call him a "fascist" once. I can see why. In one of his stories, there was a second "American Revolution," and the first law was that all laws save the Constitution and the Declaration were null and void. And we start again, from scratch.
Sounds better and better, doesn't it?
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Sure does, IJ
September 28, 2008 - 14:04 ET by BlondeI really hope the House (R)'s vote no and make the Dems take the "credit" for the bailout. Let the country know there are a WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE who care enough to make our voices heard.
Did you read their Economic Principles?
There are much better solutions to this mess than just throwing money at it.
Nanny has the votes right now to do it, too, and President Bush won't veto.
This posturing by Nanny and the crowd of clowns is really beginning to get under my skin. We've entered the realm of the surreal, here, the lies are so thick I'm surprised there's not smoke coming out of her mouth.
P.S. Love Heinlein. Haven't read his stuff in years and years...may be time to dig his books out of storage and give them a second shot.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Heinlein definitely has
September 28, 2008 - 14:41 ET by Indiana JoeHeinlein definitely has some thoughts that seem more and more relevant to these times.
And I love Nancy's idea of "leadership." She's a leader like Obama is an agent of "change."
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Good post. The only sound
September 28, 2008 - 12:44 ET by celatorGood post. The only sound bite that comes to my mind when I see Pelosi, Frank, Schummer, Reid slink up to the microphone to explain the "progress" they are making on this monstrosity is, "We're from the Government, and we are here to help you."
The whole lot of them combined couldn't running a successful septic tank cleaning business.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
The Great RR
September 28, 2008 - 12:55 ET by BlondeReagan's 10 scaries words (I think he contracted "we are").
I wonder what President Reagan would think of where we are now?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I think about what Reagan
September 28, 2008 - 14:36 ET by celatorI think about what Reagan would do a lot, these days.
He might have pushed much harder for proper regulatory reform long before this. He would gone over the heads of the D's, the media, Wall St, and spoken directly to us, via television, more than once if needed. He would have laid out the actual situation, and explain the gravity of the problem in terms and a prospective we could all identify with and believe. He would have lead us through this economic matrix.
He would have offered a better solution--whatever that might be-- than we have before us now. And I think he would have inspired us, in that amazing way he had, to bring forth the best in us, so that we knew we could fix this mess in the right way.
He would had had nose to nose private meetings--as many meetings as it took-- with Congressional leaders to persuade them to do better, much better.
And he would have vetoed the current proposal.
But alas, he is not with us, though his ideas and approach are there for the taking.
Boy, I got long winded on that one. Thanks for the question!
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
celator,
September 28, 2008 - 14:44 ET by Indiana Joe"Long winded?" Hell, I'd have been just getting warmed up! ;^)
Btw, I think the Reagan quote was something like <para>, "The 9 scariest words are 'We're from the government, and we're here to help.'"
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
I had to take a breath or
September 28, 2008 - 18:10 ET by celatorI had to take a breath or pass out ;+}
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
No worries about the length
September 28, 2008 - 14:47 ET by BlondeI think the unfortunate part of George Bush's legacy will be his failure to lead his own party. He was so single-minded in pursuit of the GWOT that he was never able to communicate with the American people, a la the great Reagan, once the war became unpopular.
There's enough blame to go around, certainly. But I am just sick to death of the politics that are being played. And most of the American people are too stupid to realize it, as well.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Leadership is the issue. We
September 28, 2008 - 18:09 ET by celatorLeadership is the issue. We are hungry for the person that will inspire the country, help us see our possibilities, help us remember who we really are. Bush did not consistently do well in that arena, I'm sad to say. Not sure McCain has the magic, though occasionally we see flashes of it. Gov. Palin, I am completely convinced, does have it. People sense it. They know it's there. Barack? Nope. He has a completely other agenda, and it's not good. Biden? hahahahahahaha. Er, maybe not.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
hyperbole from the foreign press
September 28, 2008 - 11:21 ET by RousseYou have to remember that the foreign press exhales in hyperbole. And George Bush does not do hysteria or panic.
Lord Monckton, "potty peer."
September 28, 2008 - 11:22 ET by R D HelmLord Monckton, "potty peer."
Gotta love the BBC.
Ya'll have fun-gotta go to work now.
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
The remaining $350
September 28, 2008 - 11:29 ET by general companyThe remaining $350 billion would be subject to congressional review,
said a statement issued by Pelosi's office early on Sunday morning.
Congressional Review? As if they would actualy contimplate not using it, no doubt they will sneek approval for these funds in the middle of the night.
One a bet they did nothing to prevent this in the future?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
As usual, the government is taking the wrong approach.
September 28, 2008 - 11:32 ET by HoosierEmWe need a CEO who has a proven record of successfully running and growing a big corporation to analyze this situation and fix it. I'm thinking of people like Mitt Romney and Jack Welch, not the politicians who caused it.
Putting idiots like Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank and other democrats with a proven record of screwing things up and screwning over taxpayers, making government bigger, and making sure government gets in the way of the American citizens and the economy is utterly ridiculous.
Democrats never met a tax dollar they didn't like.
The greatest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind.
September 28, 2008 - 11:40 ET by superconI'm not talking about T.Boone Pickens and Middle Eastern oil.At least with that we get something in return.Oil.
The politicians(mostly Democrats) in Washington have been watching this crisis coming for a long time and did nothing to stop it despite many warnings.Now they are about to seize hundreds of billions of dollars and have another go at it.
Gosh..I sure feel confident.What could go wrong?
This is like a man who went into the hospital to have his leg removed and the doctors cut off the wrong leg.Now those very same doctors are telling him"Don't worry..we'll get the right leg this time".Should he trust them...?
This is like asking New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin to craft an evacuation plan that relies on school buses.We're going to get soaked.
Victory in Iraq.
Liberals suck.
McCain for Preznint.
How exactly are
September 28, 2008 - 11:46 ET by JasonCHow exactly are liberals/Democrats more to blame for this? There's plenty of blame to go around. But as I recall, for the past year and a half, it was the left that was warning of encroaching financial crises.
And it was the right, this website very much included, which denounced this as warantless fearmongering, a symptom of 'BDS', a groundless ploy to install a Democratic president and undermine capitalism.
Now, it turns out the left was correct, and they're more to blame?
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
If that is true then why
September 28, 2008 - 12:17 ET by general companyIf that is true then why did they block any ledgistation to curb it? Keep thinking they were doing anything, no doubt they are currently warning us about SS, Iran, Medicare, Energy prices, and a host of other items they refuse to deal with.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
News Media Spin Machine
September 28, 2008 - 13:17 ET by JDWHow hard did the Messiah media attack our side for accepting minute campaign gifts from Fannie/Freddie yet who ever had anything to say about the lib cowboys with Countrywide hats riding the Fannie/Freddie branded donkeys, and loading up their pockets with bank loads?
Who amongst the cowboys is willing to admit the other warned to clean-up the barn and stop the flies from breeding?
When has government control ever succeeded? Dream of moving to Spain? What's their health care like?
JDW
DAILY WAVE
'Hey Chuck, Stand Up!'
Maybe you should read up a little.
September 28, 2008 - 13:46 ET by supercon"How exactly are liberals/Democrats more to blame for this? There's
plenty of blame to go around. But as I recall, for the past year and a
half, it was the left that was warning of encroaching financial crises. "
George Bush tried to regulate FannieMae five years ago.
http://www.ireport.c...
September 11, 2003
The Bush administration today recommended the most
significant
regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the
savings
and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a
new
agency would be created within the Treasury Department to
assume
More..
supervision
of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored
companies that
are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.
The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with
Congress,
to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the
companies.
It would exercise authority over any new lines of business.
And it
would determine whether the two are adequately managing the
risks of
their ballooning portfolios.
Here was the response of a few influential Democrats.
Significant details must still be worked out before Congress
can
approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal
today were the
National Association of Home Builders and Congressional
Democrats who
fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply
reduce
their commitment to financing low-income and affordable
housing.
''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not
facing
any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney
Frank of
Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services
Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the
more
pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in
terms of
affordable housing.''
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina,
agreed.
''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here,
moving
something from one agency to another and in the process
weakening the
bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get
affordable
housing,'' Mr. Watt said.
Source: New York Times
Nuff said...
Victory in Iraq.
Liberals suck.
McCain for Preznint.
Mischaracterizing AGAIN
September 28, 2008 - 13:46 ET by Indiana JoeWow, you're really making that the word of the day today, Jason.
"The left," as you say, has been predicting financial doom-and-gloom for the past couple years. They've been claiming we are in a recession. They've ignored the definition of a "recession," ignored all economic indicators, and have been talking down consumer confidence. In spite of this, we have yet to have one quarter of economic shrinkage, let alone the two consecutive quarters required for the definition of "recession."
On the other hand, any time the looming housing crisis was raised, whether it was Bush in '03 or McCain in '05, "the left," typically represented by Barney Frank, has pooh-poohed the idea, even accusing "the right" of sowing panic by creating "false fears."
So not only did the left not warn us about this "crisis," they actively campaigned against even recognizing it.
What else you got?
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
I am more than happy to
September 28, 2008 - 15:01 ET by JasonCI am more than happy to level blame at both sides. The Washington establishment has brought this about, from both sides of the aisle. However, liberals/Democrats have demanded better oversight/regulation/removal of laissez-faire practices for years and years; it is the cornerstone of leftist economics. For years and years it has been derided as so much anti-business socialist nonsense. Now, because we couldn't bear, on principle, to install a socialistic policy here, a regulatory policy there, we have to resort to a monolithic game of "Big Gov't to the Rescue."
Again, I am more than willing to accept blame on the Democrats. My point is only that those who poo-pooed their warnings of coming crisis as unhinged alarmism for the past year or so were flat-out wrong.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Still twisting, I see
September 28, 2008 - 15:22 ET by Indiana JoeAre you really arguing that our problem right now is a recession? Because, as I pointed out and you mentioned, that's all the left has been "warning" us about for the past two years.
OTOH, as I also pointed out, your "anti-lassez-faire" leftists have been saying "no problemo" to warnings from the right about the Fannie and Freddie problem for years. And blocking any attempts to do anything about it.
So now you're willing to "blame both sides," huh? Mighty big of you, Jason. Guess that's the closest you can come to admitting to your side being wrong about anything.
Mighty big indeed.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Jason - sorry but you are very mixed up
September 28, 2008 - 15:43 ET by Dee BunkThe dems never warned about the crisis in the housing and financial markets - the Republicans did. Bush and McCain and other Republicans tried to get legislation to further regulate Freddy and Fannie who are THE major cause of this whole problem.
The only thing the dems did was constantly talk down the economy and only made things worse. They said things were bad but only talked about jobs leaving the country and other things that had little to do with the impending crisis.
They blocked President Bush's and McCain's bills for reining in Freddie and Fanny and proposed no bills of their own except one's that put less restrictions on them. Their laws brought on this crisis and they have not done one thing to try and stop it.
Dee and Indy, it would
September 28, 2008 - 15:55 ET by JasonCDee and Indy, it would appear we are arguing about different things here; and while, yes, I don't think Republicans get off scot-free here, you're certainly right that Democrats have blundered left and right as well. The initial post to which I responded laid all of the blame at the feet of the Democrats, which is no different from laying all of the blame for the mishaps in Iraq at the feet of the Republicans. Both sides have erred.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
STILL twisting!
September 28, 2008 - 17:36 ET by Indiana Joe"The initial post" here was about the housing bail-out. When one side has been pointing to it for years, and the other side has been ignoring it, denying it, and refusing to do anything about it, while lining their and their friends' pockets from it, it can hardly be called "equal" responsibility. One side tried to sound the alarm, the other side said "everything's fine." If the situation were reversed, how much responsibility would you concede to your "side?" How much responsibility do you assign to Democrats in re: Iraq mistakes? Your folks have been running from their initial votes in droves, so that answers that question.
What you did was try to misdirect the topic onto the Dems persistent "sky-is-falling" talk about the "recession," claim they were "right," and try to absolve them of any responsibility for that so-called "crisis." The words are right up there for anyone to read.
To talk now about "shared responsibility" is just another way to dodge admitting that, on this issue, your side was wrong, wrong, wrong!
"Different things," my a$$. You're hoist with your own petard, Jason.
Deal with it.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Alright Indy Joe. I have
September 28, 2008 - 17:57 ET by JasonCAlright Indy Joe. I have gone off course on this one. You win. You too, Dee.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Good job, Jason
September 28, 2008 - 19:58 ET by Indiana JoeI knew you had it in you.
You can call me IJ. ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Jason
September 28, 2008 - 22:53 ET by well99Yes both sides are to blame but the repubs did try to do something about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related
Top 4 Recipents of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Contributions
1. Chris Dodd D-CT $133,900
2. John Kerry D-MA $111,000
3. Barack Obama D-IL $105,849
4. Hillary Clinton D-NY $75,550
The Dems shot down their attemps.
Breath in and relax.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3iY45m0v1Y Ooohhhmm
well99
September 28, 2008 - 23:09 ET by MrShyLove the last link!!.... Baghdad Buggaloo! :p
NOW PLAYING:
Governor Palin Get Your Gun
double post
September 28, 2008 - 23:27 ET by MrShysorry... :p
Mr Shy
September 28, 2008 - 23:38 ET by well99It is all good.Thought I saw 4th id patch on one of the guys.There are some good vids of the guys and gals letting off steam.So when is your next video hitting youtube?
Mr. Shy's next video...
September 29, 2008 - 02:16 ET by MrShyI'll let you know, well99!!
We're discussing doing a new video for one of two tracks off my album ("Cream of the Crop" or "Crossed the Atlantic"... which you can check out at mr-shy.com ... just click on "Global Remix Project" :))
NOW PLAYING:
Governor Palin Get Your Gun
"Now, because we couldn't
September 28, 2008 - 20:24 ET by ckc1227"Now, because we couldn't bear, on principle, to install a socialistic
policy here, a regulatory policy there, we have to resort to a
monolithic game of "Big Gov't to the Rescue."'
You mean like the regulatory policy that forces lenders to lend to people who can't afford mortgages? Sounds like a socialist policy to me, and, as Tony the tiger would say, "It's Grrrreeeatttt". Not.
"However, liberals/Democrats have demanded better oversight/regulation/removal of laissez-faire practices for years and years;"
Maybe that's why no one paid any attention to them, because anyone who believes we operate in a laissez-faire financial environment has no clue. If we did, Fannie and Freddie wouldn't even exist, certainly not in their current form, and lenders wouldn't have been forced under penalty of law to lend to people who couldn't afford mortgages.
See, that's what happens when you inject a socialist policy here, and a regulatory policy there. Meanwhile, the least regulated institutions in the financial sector are the ones having the least problems. Go figure.
Always complaining about the economy doesn't make you especially prescient when something finally does go wrong.The dems have been talking down the economy in general since Bush came into office, but on this specific issue, they have said little or nothing, and have done nothing, despite being the majority in congress the last 2 years.
I mean, just look at what's going on now. We allegedly face the greatest financial meltdown ever, but their main concern is executive pay, lol. Just like good little socialists. And instead of passing the bill last week to save the global economy(Repubs can't stop them..don't have the votes), they put the whole world at risk...over executive pay.
Man, I despise liberals, I really really do. Socialism causes a problem, and their solution is....MORE socialism.
"From this day forward, you shall be known as..stupid african."
Good Points
September 28, 2008 - 22:50 ET by pbthinkerYou make some good points CKC. Another thing people don't realize is, when Democrats say they want regulation, they want to be able to impose their rules on lenders and force them, through this regulation, to comply. Since regulation was toned down, Democrats decided to make laws to accomplish their same liberal goals.
To be fair, however, my gut feeling is that the poor and disadvantaged are responsible for this as much as the flippers, who took advantage of the rules set forth by the Democrats. That's the problem with liberals, they don't understand the slippery slope.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
Now we know....
September 28, 2008 - 12:26 ET by RackieIt takes a freakin' meltdown to get the blowhards we send to DC to finally address the really hard life and death issues we face, the ones we trust them to deal with, rather than waste time thinkering around the edges with "ego issues". They are useless as a group and clueless as a class.
CLEAN THE SLATE IN 08!
This is like a man who went into the hospital to have his leg removed and the doctors cut off the wrong leg.Now those very same doctors are telling him "Don't worry..we'll get the right leg this time".Should he trust them...?
...and then when he went to court, the judge told him he "didn't have a leg to stand on".
Here is an outstanding Youtube piece...
September 28, 2008 - 12:03 ET by Prester John...that not only describes how it all started, but also ties in Obama's advisors to it as well as Bush's and McCain's attempts to get it under control.
Outstanding.
Go down to the piece "What Caused the Crisis on Wall Street".
http://www.powerline...
PJ... This link will take
September 28, 2008 - 23:05 ET by Clear thinkerPJ...
This link will take you directly to the video without having to search for it... What Caused Our Economic Crisis?
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
CT
September 28, 2008 - 23:10 ET by well99You might want to add this video also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
well99... Thanks! I had
September 28, 2008 - 23:23 ET by Clear thinkerwell99...
Thanks! I had not seen this one. Will post and advertise ASAP!
OMG - Obamas As The Waltons
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Hey w99...thank you...I had
September 28, 2008 - 23:34 ET by bigtimerHey w99...thank you...I had kind of forgot about that hearing...but I watched/listened to it as I was getting more and more infuriated, I don't know, it is like I've said before, if people would bother to watch any of the hearings like this, just some of it, they would/would not vote for their congressman again.
They know people in everyday life don't have time or bother...they depend on it.
they usually replay them too over and over whenever they can...
thank goodness for the internet now...I love it.
Thank you for posting it again, I saved it to watch the whole thing again later...and to pass on.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT CT
September 28, 2008 - 23:41 ET by well99Maybe they will set up a blog just to post some of the info on Fannie and Freddie.
Do it!
September 28, 2008 - 12:05 ET by JWFBut we better make damn sure the socialist experiments are over. That means we start winding down the current entitlement programs too.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
The clueless conservative endorses socialism
September 28, 2008 - 12:41 ET by PopularTechWait do the socialist bailout but make sure socialism is over? Since when did capitalism become privatize profits but socialize losses? What do you think this money is for? It is not only corporate welfare it is to help welfare recepients stay in homes they have no business being it. I have never read a more idiotic comment in my life.
"Idiotic?"
September 28, 2008 - 13:52 ET by Indiana JoeSeems rather harsh. "Do it, but never again," seems to be the gist of that post. Disagree if you will, but the insult is really out of line, IMO.
Private profits and social losses is obviously wrong. And we can debate "could'a, would'a, should'a," 'til the cows come home. But it is what it is. Figure out how to deal with it, and make sure it doesn't happen again.
Sounds reasonable to me.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Privatize Profits and Socialize Losses is what is going on
September 28, 2008 - 14:02 ET by PopularTechThe bailout and nationalization of banks and the mortgage industry is socialism and has NOTHING to do with capitalism. The government is buying at an above market price, worthless MBS from banks, thus socializing losses. For no other purpose then to price fix home prices and attempt to stop the market from correcting the over-pricing of homes. Not only will this not work, this will devalue the dollar and this creates a moral hazard in the markets where reckless behavior like this is now encouraged since their is assurance that any losses might be socialized by the Federal Government. Bankrupcy and liquidation is how the market deals with bad business decisions.
I am sorry this is above your comprehension but this does not change reality.
If Socialism sounds reasonable to you then by all means "deal with it!"
Not above my comprehension
September 28, 2008 - 14:53 ET by Indiana JoeI'm not as arrogant as you, to think that I really understand all this so much better than anyone else.
And I'm not as insecure as you, in that I don't feel the need to insult anyone who questions any of my opinions.
And your reading comprehension is non-existent if you think I said this bailout sounds reasonable to me. The point of, do it if we must, but don't let it happen again sounds less than idiotic (your word) to me. I think the poster you first insulted made a reasonable statement.
If that's the "most idiotic thing" you've ever heard, you must not hear yourself very well.
But that's okay. You constantly shoot yourself in the foot here, by your never ending insults and superior attitude, not to mention the tiresome c&ps of the same posts, over and over and over. If your point here is just to raise hackles, you're doing great. If it's to convince people, you're pretty much falling flat on your face.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Socialism is reasonable in difficult times
September 28, 2008 - 15:03 ET by PopularTechWe will just do socialism just this once because we must and that sounds reasonable. I understand completely - Socialism is reasonable in difficult times.
I hate to keep repeating facts and source over and over and really feel bad about it.
Socialism reasonable?
September 28, 2008 - 15:17 ET by RHRobinsonMDIf socialism is reasonable in difficult times then so is slavery - but both are morally wrong.
First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I'll buy it. - Robert Heinlein
Embrace Socialism!
September 28, 2008 - 15:57 ET by PopularTechThe economic illiterates already have, join in become part of the collective.
You know, constantly
September 28, 2008 - 15:34 ET by Indiana JoeYou know, constantly misquoting and misrepresenting what people say is really a shoddy tactic. But it makes belittling them easy.
Sorry if your solution sounds like the economic equivalent of "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" to me. It makes a great slogan, but as a policy? I'm not that willing to risk cutting off my nose to spite my face.
I agree there is no "perfect solution" to this problem. I claim no great knowledge of all the intricacies involved. But it was socialistic intervention in the marketplace that laid the groundwork for this disaster, if I understand the history correctly. And really, this is the first instance of this type of socialism of which you're aware? C'mon, you know it's not. It's not a first. But I believe it should be the last.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
There is a solution - it is called the Free Market
September 28, 2008 - 15:55 ET by PopularTechSocialism intervention in the free market cannot be fixed by more socialist intervention - all this does is make the problem worse. You want the best, easiest and least painful way to fix the problem? Have the courage to do nothing. You cannot control the market, we are overburdened in debt and that must be paid off. Homes are over priced and must come down. You cannot avoid no pain - it is not possible.
Believe it or not though Government can help by cutting taxes and reducing spending. Bush however will forever be known as Herbert Hoover II.
PT
September 28, 2008 - 16:06 ET by Free StinkerBush however will forever be known as Herbert Hoover II.
Stop with this nonsense. Bush get criticised (correctly) for doing little, if anything, to control spending, but your "Sky Is Falling"comments are silly.
In 1982 unemployment was 12% (double odays rate). No one was talking about another "Great Depression" then, were they?
Governor Palin - She is the Real Deal !
Bush = Herbert Hoover II
September 28, 2008 - 16:38 ET by PopularTechAmerica's Great Depression (PDF)
"When Hoover finally took over the White House, he followed his own advice, and made it an engine of interference, first pumping more credit into an already overheated economy and, then, when the bubble burst, doing everything in his power to organize government rescue operations."
Unemployment went from 5% - 25% between 1928-1932
"Believe it or not though
September 28, 2008 - 17:50 ET by Indiana Joe"Believe it or not though Government can help by cutting taxes and reducing spending."
Oh, I believe it. I believe that very strongly, in fact. I would go so far as to say I actually agree with you on that sentiment. But it's so hard, as a mere human, to agree with someone who constantly insults your intelligence, with no reason or knowledge of you. Very hard indeed.
See, you got through a whole post without being insulting, degrading, or condescending (well, not too much, anyway). And we find that we're actually in agreement. At this point, it MAY be necessary, I don't know. But I don't see any point in exciting myself to the point of a stroke over this when I can do nothing to stop it. It's a done deal. I will remember it, however, and do what I can to prevent it. And that starts at my reps, goes to the ballot box, and continues from there. And calling them names will, IMO, not have as good an effect as explaining my position.
If that doesn't work? Well, that's a topic for a different thread, no?
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
delete
September 28, 2008 - 12:11 ET by Prester Johndelete
Congress was too busy
September 28, 2008 - 12:22 ET by txcoHere are the main hearings I can remember Congress holding in the past two years: Steroids in baseball, Valarie Plame, trying to subopoena Karl Rove, and looking into impeaching President Bush(not formal).
I guess they just didn't have time to be bothered by looking into Wall street.
Kill the Socialist Bailout - Call Congress
September 28, 2008 - 12:30 ET by PopularTechWe are getting $700 Billion dollars stolen from us using scare tactics to socialize capitalistic losses. This is outright theft. This will further debase the dollar, increasing inflation and not fix the problem. What that means is you will need more dollars to buy the same thing. This is going to bailout Goldman Sachs - don't you people get it?
Bank of America: 'Paulson Plan Benefits Mostly Goldman, Morgan' (Seeking Alpha)
KILL THE BAILOUT:
Call Your Representative - U.S. Capitol Switchboard: 202-224-3121 + Email Your Representative
"I don’t see (subprime mortgage market troubles) imposing a serious problem. I think it’s going to be largely contained"
- Henry Paulson, U.S. Treasury Secretary, April 2007
Ron Paul explains why the bailout is a bad idea on Fox Business News (Video) (10min)
The Housing Bubble (Case-Shiller index)
192 Economists Sign a Letter Against Paulson's Plan
A Bailout We Don't Need (James K. Galbraith, Ph.D. Economics)
An Open Letter to Congress on the $700B Paulson Bailout Plan (Michael Shedlock, Investment Advisor)
Bailouts will lead to rough economic ride (Ron Paul)
Can the Rescue Plan Fix the US Economy? (Frank Shostak, Ph.D. Economics)
Conservatives Should Oppose Corporate Welfare (Robert Murphy, Ph.D. Economics)
Credit Is Flowing, Sky Is Not Falling, Don’t Panic (Robert Higgs, Ph.D. Economics)
Don't Bail Them Out (Lew Rockwell, Economist)
How to Avoid Another Depression (Mark Thornton, Ph.D. Economics)
In Financial Food Chains, Little Guys Can’t Win (Ben Stein, B.S. Economics)
No bailout necessary (Earl Thompson, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
No Bailouts: Let the Hammer Fall (Johnnie B. Byrd, B.S. Business Administration)
Not Buying It (Steven Landsburg, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Scaring Us to Death (Walter E. Williams, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
The Idiocy of Wall Street: Applauding Its Own Demise (Don A Rich, Professor of Economics)
U.S. government should bail out of bailouts (Craig R. Smith, CEO Swiss America Trading Corporation)
Wall Street Socialism (Alvaro Vargas Llosa, M.A. Economics)
Why Paulson is wrong (Luigi Zingales, Ph.D. Economics)
Ben Stein: Stop the Wall Street Looting (MoneyNews)
Bert Ely - Banking industry expert: Bailout Not Necessary (MoneyNews)
Jim Rogers: Bailout Idea a Disaster (MoneyNews)
Newt Gingrich: Kill the Paulson Plan. Hard. (U.S. News and World Report)
Senator Bunning Blasts "Financial Socialism" (Canada Free Press)
$700 Billion Won't Buy What Pro-Market Solutions Can (Deroy Murdock, Human Events)
A Bailout Is Not the Answer (Michael Reagan, NewsMax)
Bailout Boondoggle (Craig Shirley, Townhall)
Bailout Could Deepen Crisis, CBO Chief Says (Washington Post)
Bailout: Far Worse than a Recession (Mac Johnson, Human Events)
Bailout: The Sucker Punch (The Motley Fool)
Dangers in the Bailout (Jed Babbin, Human Events)
Dems Bailout Proposal Redirects ‘Paulson’s Profits’ To Left-Wing Groups (Warner Todd Huston, Canada Free Press)
I Won't Give Goldman My $200 Million Lottery Win (Bloomberg)
Liberals Try to Bail Out ACORN and Other Radical Community Organizer Groups (Canada Free Press)
More financial rescues, taxes and socialism. What happened to common sense in America? (Laurie Roth, Ph.D. Counseling)
No Bailout, Some Conservatives Insist (CNSNews)
Social Security for bankers who fail and are frauds. Isn’t that precious? (Laurie Roth, Ph.D. Counseling)
Socialism Is Coming to America (Canada Free Press)
Taxpayer Bailout: Just Say No (MoneyNews)
The Case Against the Bailout (Steve Chapman, RealClearPolitics)
They Gave Your Mortgage to a Less Qualified Minority (Ann Coulter, Human Events)
U.S. Intel Experts: Bailout Weakens U.S. Power (NewsMax)
Venture Capitalist: Bailouts Are Communist (MoneyNews)
What Happened to Market Discipline? (John Stossel, RealClearPolitics)
Paulson & Bernanke: Financial Dictators (Ludwig Von Mises Institute)
Why Henry Paulson must be "contained" (Michelle Malkin)
Forum
September 28, 2008 - 12:59 ET by JDWMotion to delete these posts anywhere other than the Forum.
JDW
DAILY WAVE
'Hey Chuck, Stand Up!'
JDW needs an education
September 28, 2008 - 13:12 ET by PopularTechMotion to educate you.
I do not second that
September 28, 2008 - 14:15 ET by liberal_bug_zapperI do not second that motion. I like this kind of eye opening information being posted in as many places as possible. We need to wake people up. We need people to get angry enough to scare Washington. If it does not work. Then, we need a revolution and a violent push back against the violence being forced upon us.
Remember, the government already uses violence to get its wealth. They tax us without our consent, and when we complain or refuse, they use force against us. It's time we as a free people meet that force with force. Its time we put down the mob rule dictatorship that is enslaving us to its socialist whim. The only way to fight the force used against us is to meet it with equal or greater force.
As the great philosopher Ayn Rand once said "Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)"
She also said that if force is to be used against us, then we are justified in using force to stop that force. The taxes levied against us in order to take wealth from one, and give it to another is sick and depraved and must be stopped by any means... and that includes a civil war. Of course, that last part was paraphrased by me, but the intent is still hers.
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"I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine. " ~ Ayn Rand
Love it!
September 30, 2008 - 00:52 ET by HillbillyKingBout time, bro! Are we gonna see this expand like the AGW lists? :-} (I hope so!)
Speaking of AGW, I'll use Mr. PT's AGW lists as the prime example of why the idea to ban lists of this type is a BAD, repeat BAD idea.
Simply, lots of people view this site that aren't members. They can actually LEARN sumthin from PT's posts and those like them. (I'm referring to the lists, obviously) It is a concise way of offering a full explaination of one's viewpoint and ideas about a subject.
The things PEOPLE need to REMEMBER about lists is this;
1. THEY TAKE TIME TO PUT TOGETHER! Try compliling a RELEVANT list even half as long as the one above and time yourself. Easy, yeah right.
2. THEY PROVIDE PROOF! Citing experts in the related field builds crediability for one's arguement. Seemed to be a pretty good method for the AGW arguement, now didn't it? I mean, how many "bans" were called for for those lists? Exactly.
In the end, if you don't like the lists, scroll past them! It will take less than 7 seconds. Try it. :-}
VIVA LA LIST !!!
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
4 things
September 28, 2008 - 12:43 ET by casel21Thing 1: Regarding executive pay, a thing I remember coming up in the RTC debacle was a problem with the ''impairing the obligation of contracts.'' How is it possible to retroactively void a contract between a corporation and an executive without the corporation filing for bankruptcy?
Thing 2: Under the initial bill, the actions of the secretary were not reviewable. How is it constitutionally possible for the Congress to delegate all of its spending power without any standards or judicial review? If the constitutional definition of a law is that passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the president, the delegation of standardless power is the delegation to an executive officer of the power to make laws and enforce them without any judicial review (See Legislative Veto). That is the definition of dictatorship - a single man above the law.
Thing 3: If I were a communist, the course that has been followed is exactly what I would have done. Barney Frank et al forced lenders to make CRA(p) loans. There is only two possible results: the system fails or it succeeds. The failure creates such a financial disaster that the financial institutions are nationalized: a good result for the commies. If it succeeds, Frank gets to funnel billions of dollars to ACORN, etc.: a good result for the commies. Win/Win/Won for the commies.
Think 4: Some time ago, I had a contract with HUD to represent them at real estate sales on FHA insured houses which had been foreclosed upon. At the time, commies were agitating HUD to give away those houses. Here is the problem with that. FHA insurance premiums are based on a proportionate share of the losses. The money for sale of the foreclosed homes went into the FHA fund to reduce losses. If they gave away those houses, it would increase the premium of those insured by the FHA program. In other words, the people who could afford it least, the FHA insured, were subsidizing the FHA give aways.
Foreign Investment
September 28, 2008 - 13:05 ET by PhotiosThe primary aim of any market assistance, rather than save companies that may, or may not, deserve saving, is to remain attractive to foreign investment. If that money goes away, then the big (and tragic) collapse will certainly occur. The result will be truely devastating.
I care not at all for NINA mortgage holders or the idiot banks that gave them those loans.
T bills are trading at 0.01% and were for a few moments trading with negative interest. This is very, very dangerous. We must have our national debt funded. We have to keep those investors investing.
That we have placed ourselves in this condition now makes it more difficult to face off with adversaries like China (and others) whom we must have buying our T bills.
When we weaken ourselves financially as we have, we limit our freedom of action in the world and so limit our sovereignity.
So, a big "Thank You" to Senators Frank, Dodd, Pres. Clinton, Pres. Bush, and all you others who put us here (Pres. Carter, are you still alive? What have you got to say for yourself?)
+Photi
Did anyone else catch some
September 28, 2008 - 13:51 ET by Chris NormanDid anyone else catch some of the new "Huckabee" show last night on FoxNews? I know, I was shocked when I saw Gomer with his very own new show. WTH? Along with Kasich, it looks like there might be a trend afoot at Fox to scoop up GOP ex-government officials and give all of them shows. He did get off one good line that got a twitter from the studio audience (?!) to the effect that: economic conditions may get so bad, this may be the first election where the winner demands a recount. Still, Huckabee?
I say expand "NewsWatch" to a full one hour, recast it with a rotating panel made up of three of our staff of posters here at NewsBusters (heck, rename it NewsBusters) plus one hapless liberal to give it the reverse "balance"on all the other news networks and let these guys go to town. Huckabee?
McNotObama '08
Media News Shows Are Drowning In Ex-Libs
September 28, 2008 - 14:10 ET by JDWFOX has elevated itself to to forefront with previous Bush administration... and will continue to take more on.
How will this affect the CNNs?
JDW
DAILY WAVE
'Hey Chuck, Stand Up!'
Too Scary
September 28, 2008 - 13:51 ET by RHRobinsonMDAs long as we are consulting the Telegraph, they have a much scarier article on this crisis:
Hugh Hefner to sack Playboy bunnies amid financial crisis:
http://www.telegraph...
How close we were to a meltdown can now be told, I guess. The most disturbing part of the article for me was the revelation that his girlfriend may be cheating on him.
First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I'll buy it. - Robert Heinlein
Awful
September 28, 2008 - 14:00 ET by Copperhead RidgeI got a bad feeling about this. When I saw Judd Gregg speaking with Chuck Schumer and Chris Dodd smiling behind him, I realized that the nation is going to get screwed. If Schumer and Dodd are smiling, it can't be good.
Those guys should be testifying about their role in this instead negotiating legislation.
This is just a bunch of
September 28, 2008 - 14:01 ET by liberal_bug_zapperThis is just a bunch of socialist hoo ha. If any of these sunsa biznatches really were capitalists... they'd let the market handle the correction. So a few huge banks would crumble.... I say GOOD! so a few thousand people would lose homes.... I say SERVES 'EM RIGHT!!!
If the market self corrects, that will be a boon to the economy... if the Socialists in Washington (98% of Democrats, 80% of Republicans) bail Wall Street out... we will see a war in this country as soon as 15 years. The physical coercion being used against us is unacceptable and needs to be met with equal or greater force.
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"A society that puts equality...ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom." ~ Milton Friedman
NO BAILOUT!
September 28, 2008 - 14:19 ET by billbDoes anyone believe that Pelosi,Reid,Dodd,Schumer and Frank are going to save us? They are in the same league as the Wall street crooks and should be dealt with the same way. No bailout! We should wait until after the election and see who blinks. I'm a 70 year old who's lost 12% from my retirement with very little make up time left and I'm willing to let the chips fall where they may. Show some guts and hold their feet to the fire. Besides, it would be worth it to see the political rats scramble as more of the details of this disaster (that we already know) get out to the voters.
High Food and Gas Prices? Economic Illiterates will Blame Obama
September 28, 2008 - 14:18 ET by PopularTechWho won the debate? Who Cares!
Who has a better Football Record? Who Cares!
But you can be damn well be sure that when food and gas costs more over the next few years all the economic illiterates will blame Obama or the Democrats or what ever other sucker thing that you can get these brain washed idiots will believe in. None will blame the cause - inflation (a devalued dollar) caused by trillions of dollars in Socialized bailouts.
You can't fix stupid but stupid will get the "fix" they deserve. Get more credit cards, take more equity out of your house, come on faster, faster, borrow yourself into the economic hell you deserve.
Teleprompter
September 28, 2008 - 14:21 ET by JDWObama has been rumored to be hooked on his teleprompter, a claim he obviously denies without hesitation.
Speaking at the Black Caucus gala in the District of Columbia with Michelle, he informed the crowd of his upcoming 15th anniversary.
Records show them getting married in Oct of '92.
The impromptu comments by Obama never seem to work his way.
JDW
DAILY WAVE
'Hey Chuck, Stand Up!'
The Money Masters
September 28, 2008 - 15:43 ET by PopularTechThe Money Masters (Video) (3hr 35min)
Money, Banking and the Federal Reserve
September 28, 2008 - 15:43 ET by PopularTechMoney, Banking and the Federal Reserve (Video) (42min)
BTW
September 28, 2008 - 16:01 ET by RackieSo who IS Obama's running mate?
Now after puking through Pelosi...
September 28, 2008 - 17:48 ET by CTwe have the witless Reid appointing Dodd to chair an investigation into his own malfeasance.
Makes one wonder what would have happened if Al Capone had been appointed to chair his federal investigation.
Listening to
September 28, 2008 - 18:01 ET by TheAssessorListening to Pelosi is like being pecked to death by a duck.
"I have a bracelet too.." Barak Obama, political sociopath
Something new
September 28, 2008 - 19:56 ET by Indiana JoeJust came across this. Things could get really crazy if SCOTUS decides to take this up.
I don't really see how they could duck it, with contradictory rulings out there.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
"Update 1:30pm: Obama
September 28, 2008 - 20:45 ET by ckc1227"Update 1:30pm: Obama takes credit for going to Wash, D.C. and rescuing the bailout bill. Obama says McCain should receive NO CREDIT AT ALL for the bailout bill."
If McCain were smart, he would run with that. People are against this bill 100 to 1. McCain should call a press conference and say "Obama is absolutely right, he deserves full credit for this additional $700 billion handout to Wall Street, while I deserve no credit for it because I am against it."
"I was in China a couple years ago and watched the communists in action when they swooped out of nowhere to arrest a guy trying to sell a 'postcard' near Tiannemen Square. They dragged him off on his knees while they pulled him face down by the back of his neck. A POSTCARD!"
Interesting, because "The One" tells us we should become more like the Chinese, especially since they are going to space now....40-50 years after we started doing it, and using our technology at that.
Geez, how this moron isn't losing by at least 10 points in the polls is amazing. It's also pretty scary.
"From this day forward, you shall be known as..stupid african."
ckc...People are against it
September 28, 2008 - 21:49 ET by bigtimerckc...People are against it almost 200 to one...heheee
I am begging everyone who sees this link and is against the bail-out to got here...sign it, pass on to all you know..it is of utmost of importance, plus call congress tomorrow, call the switchboard and ask for whatever rep's office you want to talk to.
For them to have the ausicity to do this over a week-end with nine congress critters and whoever else was there with their influence is outrageous...what is even more outrageous is we should of HEARD all of this as it was going on live, not like they are doing now after they have had their oh so tough work behind closed doors eating pizza as they cram this down our throats..
Over thirty years for no drilling oil/refineries here allowed, but heck, we can do this in one week-end...and pass it tomorrow with no say from us ...the ones paying this.
This is deplorable, disgusting revolting...
Please sign the petition, at least it is one form of revolt without taking to the streets...yet.
Switch-board # 202-224-3121
Link for Petition....this gentleman was on the Washington Journal this morning and took calls...we are in the majority against this, on both sides of the ailse...we need to vote all the bums out who vote for this...I don't care who they are, including McCain.
This link has places on it for you to go to to see the rest of the web-site which is great for us conservatives from what I had time to look at today.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I signed it
September 28, 2008 - 21:55 ET by nwahsI signed it. We have to stop this hysterical crap.
I signed too!
September 28, 2008 - 22:15 ET by MaximusBraveheartMore people need to sign. Up to 20,000 I think!
Thanks guys...others please sign and pass on too if inclined.
September 28, 2008 - 22:34 ET by bigtimerThanks guys...yeah we need all we can get, like he said they pulled a real all-nighter getting this up and out there...if anybody is interested in the phone calls and what the gentleman had to say on the Washington Journal and just click on the Washington Journal link at C-SPAN, freedomworks.org or com and his name I forget at the moment, Mark or Matt Tibbie or something like that if you want to hear about the petition for the amount of time he was on, I think about 45 minutes...they had a real jerk from McClatchey paper on first off that was for this from what I could tell before I dozed back off, didn't want to get any more angry than I was as it was a Sunday morning and I wanted to sleep a little longer...lol.
Plus please pass on to all your email buddies...and call congress if you can tomorrow, the House is planning on voting on this tomorrow..the Senate on Wed!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Well if the world doesn't end on Monday..
September 28, 2008 - 22:45 ET by nwahsWell if world markets don't collapse on Monday, this nonsense might lose its legs.
Thanks for th elink, BT
September 28, 2008 - 22:38 ET by BlondeGreat stuff.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Howdy Bass, AA, B and
September 28, 2008 - 22:50 ET by bigtimerHowdy Bass, AA, B and others...well I hope you signed the link and passed on to all you know that would hlp get the word out...we only have until tomorrow before the vote in the House...the Senate Wed.
Against the Bail-Out Indeed!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Done.
September 28, 2008 - 22:54 ET by BlondeDavid Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
bt... I just signed it.
September 28, 2008 - 22:51 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
I just signed it. My problem is one of trust. This bill should not be voted on unless everyone has had a chance to think through every darn word of it. I'm afraid the Democrats are so conniving they will put provisions in it that will cripple our economy for many years by passing the torch of the free markets directly to the government. Hell, we all know that the government is the worst manager of money in the free world, so why should we trust them with this???
I don't know about anyone else, but I WANT DETAILS!
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"ckc...People are against
September 28, 2008 - 23:28 ET by ckc1227"ckc...People are against it almost 200 to one...heheee"
All the more reason for McCain to let everyone know Obama is responsible. BO wants the credit...give it to him.
Signed the petition, BT.
"From this day forward, you shall be known as..stupid african."
Signed it.
September 29, 2008 - 00:13 ET by celatorThe major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
I, too, signed.
September 29, 2008 - 01:07 ET by avenarAnd forwarded to friends.
Hip-Hip-Hooray! I got
September 29, 2008 - 01:16 ET by bigtimerHip-Hip-Hooray!
I got here late today...but better late than never...
...thanks so much for passing this on to others too...
By the way folks, this does matter, I don't know how much eiother party is going to be able to keep their members in line, it is going to be interesting, there was a Stimulas Package vote in the House late last week, I was shocked to see something like 13 or so dems voted against their party and NO repubs voted with the dems (usaully you can count on anywhere from arond 15-35 RINOs voting with the dems)...for a change, this was one of the closest votes I have seen seen the dems took over in the House since I have paid attention...so it is going to be interesting with this now on Monday, or whenever the actual vote is taken, they are getting calls that are filled with nothing but anger from all of us out here of all political sides...big-time.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
September 29, 2008 - 01:21 ET by MrShyMe - want - sign - too.
Me - no - have - link.
Me - sad.
:(
Me - no - know - what - this - is - even.
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Here ya go MrS... Sign
September 29, 2008 - 01:30 ET by bigtimerHere ya go MrS...
Sign here and pass on...
Do your civic duty (well, that is if you agree with it)
...smile...be happy!
Btw...that site if you look has a lot of good looking info on it if you are a conservative, haven't got to got through it all today.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Response
September 29, 2008 - 00:36 ET by Schnikeysckc,
There is no way that McCain is going to run with this. Ideological labels are superficial in today's society, dontcha know?
He deserves the loss he will be experiencing in November. All because he's too much of an idiot.
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"My morality is your morality."
The Obama Gestapo is Going After the NRA
September 28, 2008 - 21:40 ET by R D HelmI am not seeing this reported anywhere other than hereand here.
I guess we now know what Obama thinks about the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
Friends, this hideous and very dangerous man must be defeated in November, even if it means voting for the other non-conservative in this race.
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
Hussein Obama is letting the
September 28, 2008 - 21:51 ET by cocodrieHussein Obama is letting the cat out of the bag concerning his intentions to take our guns away. Someone should have told him it is a lot harder to get the cat back in the bag than to let it out.
Hey Dave! Great great
September 28, 2008 - 22:04 ET by bigtimerHey Dave!
Great great information...
I tell you Obama is an absolute insane, power hungry, enemy within that is going to be getting his a$$ handed to him by the NRA...
What a fool to go against the likes of Cleta Mitchell representing the NRA legally in the Pa. case and Matt Blunt put it simply in Mo., Obama needs to grow up...
Let me tell you something Obama is going to get his arse handed to him big time on the 4th of Nov.
They forget word gets around now other than the television screens...and it grows each year...
What imbeciles...
You don't know how angry yet happy I am about this in the long run of it all.
We still are going to see more yet before this is over that will infuriate us...
...and we thought the Clintons we bad...who knew we would see pure evil that we are fighting now.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Is a second Revolution far off?
September 28, 2008 - 22:11 ET by jefflebowskior will we be led like sheep into socialism? I believe that the only thing that will cause the working tax-paying people to take to the streets is if they try to take our guns. However, they are taking our money and we are doing nothing!
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
You say when...
September 28, 2008 - 22:44 ET by AgentAmericanWhen does the next Civil War start?
Obama "leading" in almost every poll by a big margin, and the attempts silence anyone who opposes him is very frightening indeed, and there are people who believe this crap.
I pray that the people wake up to this soon. Time is of the essence.
Drill ANWAR
Jeff... well I am trying to
September 28, 2008 - 22:45 ET by bigtimerJeff... well I am trying to revolt without bloodshed here...lol!
I'm sure you've seen my link and I posted something to you or someone about revolting..we are going to end up having a revolution in this country if this keeps up...the masses have to be as angry as I hear them in the mornings via phone, plus on television, the comments on the posts are things like not only NO but Hell No..
As we suffer out here with the gas prices like they are... congress is responsible for a lot of the mess...and they definitely are for all of the lack of our own oil here...yet they have the audacity to use the word we constantly when they are talking about them all the while taking OUR money...
You you arseholes in congress, you work for us, you don't do something like this behind closed doors, not letting us hear the BS it is WE unless we TELL YOU it's WE!
Any congress-critter that votes for this...ANY, I hope thy pay for this...if this does end up getting crammed down our throats...
Enough is ENOUGH!
I hope you passed on and signed the link I have on here.
I am going to get to your site sometime tonight, you may already have it there...if not I will be putting it there too...I just haven't had time, got here late on NBs...had things to do today...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Big, please list the link at my site
September 28, 2008 - 22:52 ET by jefflebowskiIt sounds like it may be too late. I wrote about the Dims responsibility today on angrywhitedude.com. It's called "Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul." It has some very good videos with congressional hearings and points the finger at those responsible...DemonRats.
May they all burn in hell!
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
Jeff.. I will... I
September 28, 2008 - 23:07 ET by bigtimerJeff..
I will...
I have to calm down some because I am as passionate about this issue as I was about illegal immigration and oil votes...
Still am too...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Wow, Dave
September 28, 2008 - 22:43 ET by BlondeFrom everything I've seen, the very LAST thing Odumbo needs is to be seen as an "angry black man".
But that pic! Holy smokes, batman.
John McC made some inroads into getting under the Messiah's skin the other night.....if Obama goes nuclear in a public forum, look out!
Talk about "turn about is fair play"....LOL.
I know you're having issues with voting for McCain...but it's a must do. I've said that for a while now, but the ever mounting evidence about the Marxist B. Hussein, makes it an imperative.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
RD... Have no fear, we
September 28, 2008 - 22:57 ET by Clear thinkerRD...
Have no fear, we have more guns than they do. Taking them away will be impossible, unless they want bloodshed. To get an idea of what I'm talking about, start a survey that asks this question... "For those Americans that legally own guns, would you hand them over to the government if they damanded you do so"? The vast majority of people would respond something like this "they will have to take it from my cold dead hand", and most really mean it!
OMG - Obamas As The Waltons
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
2nd amendment.
September 29, 2008 - 00:38 ET by Schnikeys2nd amendment. (typo?)
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"My morality is your morality."
Just say "no" to hysterical bailouts.
September 28, 2008 - 21:50 ET by nwahsJust say "no." It makes no sense to throw good money after bad, on any level. If our economy is so fragile, why in the world do we want to prop it up? We'll have to do this again in a year! How are we going to get rid of the bad companies if we don't let the die? Are we going to be a nation who's largest companies are on life support? How could something better take their place if we don't let them die?
Say "NO." Support Capitalism.
Musical interlude: "These Are The Jerks We Call Journalists"
September 28, 2008 - 21:57 ET by nkviking75Now a little musical interlude courtesy of ThePeoplesCube.com. Let's all sing "These Are The Jerks We Call Journalists".
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Supply Side Economics vs. Austrian Economics
September 28, 2008 - 22:10 ET by PopularTechSupply Side Economics vs. Austrian Economics (Video) (2006) (8min)
Now that we know who is right we know who to listen to.
PopT
September 28, 2008 - 22:20 ET by BlondeThat link looks like it might be interesting.
But after the way you've behaved here lately, I wouldn't bother to give it a look.
You might want to consider that, as you attempt to persuade people here. You've lost all of your credibility. Which is very sad....you used to be a respected poster here, now you are a borderline troll.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Continue to Ignore Reality
September 28, 2008 - 22:25 ET by PopularTechLook, I really don't care about your personal problems with me, I don't care about if you like me or hate me, all I care about is who is right and what the facts are. Please don't click on any of my links.
The point, Pop
September 28, 2008 - 23:00 ET by BlondeIt's not personal, PT.
You've burned up your own credibility on this site. I merely point this out to you to try to get you to reconsider your own actions here.
I used to look at your links, and look forward to them.
But after your childish PDS, baiting of the regular posters here, and acting like a KosBot (throwing the f'bomb....really, really crude)....you've lost any possibility of persuasion.
You ought to just apologize to everyone for your offensive behaviour. Turn a new leaf over, and begin anew.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
PT... Like Peter Schiff
September 28, 2008 - 22:58 ET by bigtimerPT...
Like Peter Schiff (sp) sometimes the medicine tastes bad, but you still have to swallow it...
Indeed!
I didn't get through the whole thing yet, plus I have listened to him before, so I will get back to the rest later...
I have so much catching up to do today/tonight...
By the way, did you sign the link and hopefully pass to others, do you call your reps?
We have to tomorrow...
I just am curious.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
GOP Holdouts
September 29, 2008 - 01:36 ET by PopularTechI signed earlier, thanks and I keeps calling and emailing my Reps but they look like they are caving anyway!!! I cannot believe Boehner is agreeing to this. Our hope now is that the 100 or so Republicans hold out.
"Our hope now is that the
September 29, 2008 - 01:52 ET by Schnikeys"Our hope now is that the 100 or so Republicans hold out."
Agreed.
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double
September 29, 2008 - 01:55 ET by Schnikeysdouble post
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"My morality is your morality."
Sounds like the House (R)'s are revolting
September 28, 2008 - 22:16 ET by BlondeOh, how I hope the House Republicans hand Pelosi her head.
Rep. Phil Gingrey of GA. is saying NO WAY!
John Boehner instructed the members to vote for it, "if in good concscience, they could".
The oversight in this bill is a joke.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Thank God
September 28, 2008 - 22:19 ET by nwahsThis is getting shoved down our throats just as the amnesty bill was being shoved down our throats. I hope the Republicans revolt and say "NO WAY."
Let's hope enough (R)'s say no
September 28, 2008 - 22:23 ET by BlondeTo make the "conservative" dems vote no as well.....
This whole thing could go down in flames. I hope Pelosi goes with it.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
nw... the only way to do
September 28, 2008 - 23:03 ET by bigtimernw...
the only way to do this is what we are...I hope you also call tomorrow...
You ought to hear what the congress critters are saying about the calls...from both sides of the aisle...and they are telling the truth about the calls, Mark Udall from Co. running against Schaffer even told the truth about that this morning with his debate with Shaffer this morning, it was about the only truthful thing the guy said...lol.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I am completely aginst any
September 28, 2008 - 22:32 ET by bassndudeI am completely aginst any bail out of the markets, banks or whatever...come what may. This hole has been comming for a long time, and the best they can hope for is a delay. Unless they change the laws, dating back to Jimmy Carters days, do away with the capitol gains tax and a few other little things, we have not seen the last of this ugly mess...
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
How are we not more of the same??
September 28, 2008 - 23:28 ET by randy hayes"Neoconservatives plan Project Sarah Palin to shape future American foreign policy Neoconservatives whose influence had been waning in Washington have hitched their colours to rising star Sarah Palin in a bid to shape US foreign policy for another decade" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/2827217/Neoconservatives-plan-Project-Sarah-Pain-to-shape-future-American-foreign-policy.html
randy... For someone that
September 28, 2008 - 23:33 ET by Clear thinkerrandy...
For someone that lives in another country, you sure like American politics. Let me make a suggestion... go to a site where people actually give a damn about what you say!
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American living in OZ
September 28, 2008 - 23:45 ET by randy hayes"Jacob Heilbrunn, author of They Knew They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons, said the interview was "further evidence that she (Palin) has soaked up the neocon view of the world." He was particularly alarmed by her suggestion that war with Russia is "perhaps" a possibility." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/2827217/Neoconservatives-plan-Project-Sarah-Pain-to-shape-future-American-foreign-policy.html
Muddled thinker, I realize this site does not like differing opinions and fears the facts as they have alway been in denial about the neoconservative movement....I guess you believe in banning books along with squelching freedom of speech. If the opinions are too controversial the speaker is banned. I was banned a couple years ago because I wanted to discuss the neoconservative movement.
"war with Russia is
September 28, 2008 - 23:52 ET by MrShy"war with Russia is "perhaps" a possibility."
Um, at some point in time, war with Russia IS *perhaps* a *possibility*.
Please look up the word "possibility". Unless I'm mistaken, it means: something that's possible. Almost all things fall under this category. No, wait... I think ALL things fall under this catergory.
Only a very stupid leader of a country would 100% reject the possibility of military force against any country that has shown itself to be unstable and a threat to itself and/or it's interests.
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Randy Jackson
September 28, 2008 - 23:44 ET by MrShyThanks for the link to a 2-week old article written by.... wait, this just in.... a Brit!
That's a stamp of complete credibility right there.
Randy, shouldn't you be back at rehearsal with Tito and Michael?
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oh yeh, this site hates the
September 28, 2008 - 23:50 ET by randy hayesoh yeh, this site hates the brits, french and anybody that sees faux news for what it is...
Thanks for the link to a 2-week old article written by.... wait, this just in.... a Brit!
of course accoding to this site, anybody with information from another country has no credibility..
Nice to be Back!
Randy & Shy agree !!!! :)
September 29, 2008 - 00:21 ET by MrShy"of course accoding to this site, anybody with information from another country has no credibility.."
Pretty much, yes.
Finally, it looks like we agree on something.
Nice to have you back (...did I just write that? :p)
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"...and anybody that sees
September 29, 2008 - 00:01 ET by MrShy"...and anybody that sees faux news for what it is..."
If they see Fox News for what it is -- a conservative-leaning news outlet -- and then tell me that CNN, MSNBC, BBC, NYTimes, AP, Reuters, etc., are not left-leaning media outlets, I won't hate them, no. I'll just tell them they're idiots.
I don't hate Britain or France. Quite the contrary. But these countries do seem to be filled with a lot of idiots.
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If they see Fox
September 29, 2008 - 00:20 ET by randy hayesIf they see Fox News for what it is -- a conservative-leaning news outlet --
if they would say that upfront along with right wing biased rather than dishonestly saying "fair and balanced", they might have a little more credibility...they dont even mention that Karl Rove, a regular now, is McCain's advisor!
and then tell me that CNN, MSNBC, BBC, NYTimes, AP, Reuters, etc.,
those stations show far more facts than opinions,
what has BBC said that is not factual??
are not left-leaning media outlets, I won't hate them, no. I'll just tell them they're idiots.
Im sure that you would say the same about any news around the world that tells factual information that neoconservatives and the right wing controlled media do not want Americans to know! Just as we were told all the facts about Bush and his ancestry or all of the Cheney and Bush connections with the oil barons!
I don't hate Britain or France. Quite the contrary. But these countries do seem to be filled with a lot of idiots.
You almost sound prejudice, by prejudging the people from another country, rather than just looking at the facts.
Did Palin meet with the Neocons??
if so it is a fact rather than an opinion.
Nice to be Back!
Randy
September 29, 2008 - 00:29 ET by MrShyPlease forgive me for this, but I have to pull out a (rather mild) ad-hominem....
You're a dunce.
"and then tell me that CNN, MSNBC, BBC, NYTimes, AP, Reuters, etc.,
those stations show far more facts than opinions"
You're simply flat-out wrong. It is Fox that is more factual and fair and less loaded with "experts" with opinions than both CNN and MSNBC. Let's not argue further, because it will be a waste of time. Continue to blindly see things as you like.
Also, while you're still hedgingly agreeing that they all DO lean left, then tell them to also put a disclaimer at the top of their news shows and newspapers, and I'll go and tell Fox to do the same. Deal?
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Fox news is a joke. Im
September 29, 2008 - 00:34 ET by randy hayesFox news is a joke. Im sorry that you think I am a dunce , but only dunces would believe everything on fox or newsbusters..newsbuster was just caught in a lie by one of the so called leftists (who will probably soon get banned)
did you ever see the movie, Outfoxed? Fox is not news. It is right wing propaganda just like the murdoch owned govt backed propaganda in china...
Nice to be Back!
Okay Randy...
September 29, 2008 - 00:44 ET by MrShyLosing patience with you.
CNN is twice as much of a joke.
MSNBC is the biggest, most laughable joke of a "news" channel outlet in the history of TV. Seriously. See: Matthews, Olbermann & Maddow.
Those three are the CORNERSTONE of their programming now. It's wretched, Randy, and you have to see it some day. There's hope for you.... maybe.
No more arguing with you. I know how stinking-corrupt and backed-by/run-by/fully-employed-by liberals both CNN and MSNBC are. I live in liberal-cesspool NYC, and both institutions are based here.
So, again, there is no contest. None.
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*
September 29, 2008 - 01:05 ET by R D Helm*
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
Follow up for Randy J.
September 29, 2008 - 01:05 ET by MrShyCNN, MSNBC and the NY Times are doing everything in their power -- short of completely revealing themselves to enough of the masses where they'll be taken down (to my astonishment) -- to put Obama or any Democrat in the White House.
You can take that to the bank.
Their style of deliberate guerilla slanting/fudging/omitting/adding is the scariest form of propaganda.
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Shy, LOL-If you think rhayes is bad now...
September 29, 2008 - 00:44 ET by R D Helm...you sould have been around before he had the lobotomy. :-)
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
Randy, are you from=====
September 29, 2008 - 00:30 ET by misterbillRandy, are you from=====West Mecca?? I do believe that is the name being proposed for the former country of England.
Cheese and crackers
They've lost their knackers
One could say at the least
As the onetime Brits kneel and pray to the East.
misterbill
September 29, 2008 - 00:51 ET by MrShyFrance and the UK are being overrun by Muslims and their culture of intolerance and fierce unwillingness to abide by just some basic Western rules.
It's pretty scary.
Cost of living in London makes NYC look like a walk in the park. Then, of course, there's a wide division of class over there that's probably worse than any democratic country.
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MrShy--
September 29, 2008 - 01:02 ET by misterbillI once was a great admirer of the English. My family had pen pals in Wembley during WW2. I went to visit in the early 50s. All I met were strong, proud people. I guess they have all passed. Now the poor buggers are left with the leader of the Anglican church licking the boots of the Muslims and a PM who is a poor example of an Englishman. Those with the wherewithal are leaving England... that's a story in itself--(large numbers are "visiting" America and Canada). I remember when the English would move the invaders out instead of giving in to them.
No more tankards raised in in the halls
No more proud shouts to the walls
Those old boys lost their balls
Now they live as hopeless thralls.
WOW! Things are certainly getting a little testy, aren't they?
September 29, 2008 - 00:39 ET by Asian ConThanks for the warm welcome and I wanted to introduce myself to the rest of you, so check out my profile. Anyways, I was skimming through the comments and it seems like the fur is really flying tonight! Did you guys watch the press conference with Franken-Pelosi and Dingy Harry? It seems like the only prerequisite to become a politician is to be ugly and stupid. Pelosi kept saying it was a bipartisan effort to get this bill done, all the while bashing GWB and the Repubs at the same time.
BTW, Blonde and others who asked, I don't really follow college football. I guess I support the local teams. USC or UCLA. I don't know, I didn't go to college. Do you think that you had to have gone to college to be interested in college sports? Because I suppose that those who went are supporting their alma maters. As war as the NFL, it's the Niners all the way, baby.
"Americans, in the final analysis, want a strong economy and wish to live in safety and security. So the choice is simple. It's McCain." - Larry Elder
Asia
September 29, 2008 - 00:45 ET by BlondeNo way, baby!
We were just being nosy....consider it your NB "hazing".
You should root for whatever team makes your heart sing. In whatever sport.
Again, welcome here, and have fun.
The more we beat up on Pelosi and Reid...the better!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde!!! I'll be good...
September 29, 2008 - 01:07 ET by TheSterAsia...Thank you for joining NewsBusters....
....now I'm not the "new guy" anymore!!
ASIA!!! GO WASH MY CAT!!! ...just kidding...
Blonde?? Can I make Asia wash my cat?!!??!....
Ster.
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.
I'm A Cat Person Also!!!
September 29, 2008 - 01:22 ET by Asian ConJust grab 'em by the scruff and toss him in the tub. That's what I do. Just kidding. My cat hates baths. I bathe her once a month but, everyday at the same time she thinks is bath time and she hides under the bed. So, when the time comes around, I nonchantly walk over grab her and drag her in the bathroom.
"Americans, in the final analysis, want a strong economy and wish to live in safety and security. So the choice is simple. It's McCain." - Larry Elder
IRONIC!!!!
September 29, 2008 - 01:56 ET by TheSterPLEASE TELL ME IF THIS MAKES SENSE!!...seriously...
Truth + YOU...Democrat + Cat...Tub = Reality = CLEAN BUT PISSED CAT...
I Really just made this up!! ...lol...
Ster.
The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.
Asian Con
September 29, 2008 - 02:19 ET by BlondeWhy do you bathe your house cat?
No need. Clip her nails, but leave her out of the bath. Unless she has some kind of skin condition or somesuch, it's entirely unnecessary. Long haired cat? Use a comb.
Poor kitty.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Owner of 7 cats here.
September 29, 2008 - 22:09 ET by JWFA cat that has not gotten into something nasty does not need a bath.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
excuse me...
September 29, 2008 - 02:22 ET by MrShyIs there some un-PC joke about Asians and cats I'm missing?
Please, clue me in... I need to know all the in-poor-taste jokes out there! :) (/sarc)
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Fox News vs. MSM
September 29, 2008 - 01:00 ET by Asian ConI just wanted to weigh in here on the MSM. There's a reason why Fox News is the #1 rated cable news channel. They actually try to be fair. They frequently have people from both sides of the aisle to weigh in on issues. They don't have partisan hacks to anchor their election coverage. Both Repubs and Dems watch FNC. If it was only Repubs their ratings wouldn't be so high. Poll after poll says more and more Americans believe that the MSM is biased and that they're trying to get their favorite candidate elected. Their bias has been so blatant this year that even Stevie Wonder can see it! That's why I hope McCain wins and kills two birds with one stone. First, to make sure Obama never gets to defile the Oval Office. Second, I just can't wait to see the looks on the faces of the MSM!
"Americans, in the final analysis, want a strong economy and wish to live in safety and security. So the choice is simple. It's McCain." - Larry Elder