For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: the financial crisis.
Lehman has filed bankruptcy, B of A has bought out Merrill, and stocks are collapsing. What else should the Federal Reserve do IF ANYTHING, and when does this crisis finally end?
Consider that oil is plummeting this morning -- down to about $95 -- as is wholesale gasoline. As the commodities bubble has clearly burst, might the Fed have more room now to ease monetary policy, bring down interest rates, and allow the remaining healthy banks to improve their profit margins which will increase lending down the road?
How do you see this all washing out?
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Pretty Scary......
September 15, 2008 - 09:21 ET by shawn228When 2 companies with the financial strenghth of these two can go down. I almost bought some Lehman brother stock on Friday, but decided to buy WAMU instead, because of bargain prices. Hope they don't go down as well
Real life video games are cool
WaMu
September 15, 2008 - 12:14 ET by Secret ConservativeBetter watch that stock carefully. They are on their way down the commode...
Financial Crisis
September 15, 2008 - 09:22 ET by Dr_LibertyAaaaahhhhhhh, eeeeeeek, aaaaaahhh!!!!
Shriek! Waaaaahhh!
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Financial market turmoil is
September 15, 2008 - 09:23 ET by dboFinancial market turmoil is just one more reason to not vote for Obama. Do you want a big spending community organizer to sort out this mess?
I don't want...
September 15, 2008 - 09:42 ET by Dr_Libertya community organizer to sort this out. Nor do I want the president to sort this out. Obama, McCain or otherwise. And Congress? No way!
Leave it to us civilians, thank you.
P.S. dbo, this isn't a critique of you, just a general statement.
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Ummm...pssst....
September 15, 2008 - 09:53 ET by...this little crisis isn't happening under a Democrat Admin. The Big Spender is in the White House as we speak...just the facts.
Ubercon
Ummmmm.... Presidents only
September 15, 2008 - 10:11 ET by BDUmmmmm.... Presidents only PROPOSE.
Congress DISPOSES.
While the president could veto every budget presented to him for eight years, the war would not be fought, nor important actions taken.
BD you are correct...
September 15, 2008 - 10:44 ET by...but perception is reality. If the economy was doing well with a Democrat Congress, The news would be about how Bush has succeeded. Sure, we could go round and round about who does what...and I will concede the points to you for each well thought out point. The problem is in the perception. The Campaigns run on perception of what the candidates will be able to do and correct the ills of the past Admin. Sure, they'll bash Congress for the lack of pushing the correct legislation as it wallows in constant high ratings of job disapproval. We know the current Senate can only pass the legislation with 60+ votes thereby allowing the minority to be more powerful by blocking it. As you well know, the current Congress has only been in power for less than two years...my guess it will be much different after the election. So, lay the blame on the Democrats for the missteps, mistakes, and overall lack of oversight for the current problems in the economy. The GOP will need more than lipstick to cover up the past 8 years. The change you deserve...brought to you by the GOP.
Ubercon
"If the economy was doing
September 15, 2008 - 13:33 ET by ckc1227"If the economy was doing well with a Democrat Congress, The news would be about how Bush has succeeded."
The economy has done well under at least half of Bush's 8 years. Still waiting for all those news stories touting how Bush succeeded.
Instead, all we hear is how it's Bush's fault that private businesses have made poor business decisions. I never realized it was his responsibility to run all the private businesses in this country.
When The Economy Is Strong/Weak Libs Raise Spending
September 15, 2008 - 14:41 ET by JDWSo, lay the blame on the Democrats for the missteps, mistakes, and
overall lack of oversight for the current problems in the economy. The
GOP will need more than lipstick to cover up the past 8 years. The
change you deserve...brought to you by the GOP.
How old are Freddie/Fannie? How long has it been since America has built a new refinery? When was the last time we started a new drilling operation on the east or west coast coast? Why aren't we pumping in ANWR?
The DNC praised Bubba during his stadium speech, applauding his economic achievements. The Obama/Biden team promised to pursue the same. Change?
What were the real GDP numbers?
JDW
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Perhaps
September 15, 2008 - 09:25 ET by BlondeIf there had been no bailout of Bear Stearns, the markets would have already self corrected and we'd have been through the worst of it by now.
This isn't going to be pretty.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
What is truly appalling...
September 15, 2008 - 09:36 ET by Prester John....about this whole mess, is that if Fannie, Freddie, Lehman et al had taken the time to send some reasonably experienced and observant analysts into Florida, suburban DC, Nevada, California and Texas, they would've seen the reality of what was going on in the real estate market.
No doc mortgages, couples making less than $100k buying $500k homes with nothing down, panic buying (at least in the DC area) by people who were scared the boom would continue and that they'd never be able to buy a house, people accepting mortgages that had absolutely no understanding of etc.
But no, the heads of these companies who are supposed to be so experienced, so smart, raking in 10s of millions of dollars were unable or unwilling to see what was happening and unwilling to understand what was likely to happen.
Hell, I could've lost half the money those guys did and would glady have accepted half their pay.
A blind man could've seen this coming back in 2004.
Tulips, tech stocks, real estate--the investment may change over time but human nature doesn't.
Oh well.
That's because blind men
September 15, 2008 - 10:01 ET by dscottThat's because blind men can see more than Democrat cronies who were running Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac up to that time. There is none so blind as those who refuse to see. Their ideological blinders was the Equality of Outcome policy they implimented to push home ownership to people who simply weren't capable of being home owners. The fact is some people are only able to be renters due to their economic background and lifestyle.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Freddie/Fannie
September 15, 2008 - 11:21 ET by JDWThe housing market was going strong until the government institutions eliminated risk.
JDW
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Being forced to loan money
September 15, 2008 - 11:37 ET by BDBeing forced to loan money to those who a creditor knows are poor risks in order to be PC is always a disaster.
Full Perspective
September 15, 2008 - 11:49 ET by JDWHow many people are able to understand the devaluation of the dollar as a result of government debt? How many realize more government control?
JDW
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JDW:
September 15, 2008 - 11:48 ET by j. frank wilsonWhen did "government institutions eliminated risk?"
R1
September 15, 2008 - 12:06 ET by JDWXX
JDW
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By eliminating the
September 15, 2008 - 12:19 ET by dscottBy eliminating the requirement to be a credit worthy home owner.
It shouldn't have come as a surprise when a renter buys a home on overly generous credit terms and then finds themselves in trouble, they are going to walk and default on the mortgage. Why is that? In their experience, when a renter found they couldn't continue to pay the rent, they moved out and doubled up with someone else until they found a cheaper place. I call it "renters mentality". A renter with no history of home ownership and NO vested interest (no downpayment), i.e. nothing to lose (risk free), purchases a house, they don't see their responsibility to 1st be able to afford the place and don't care if they can't. If you have to put your own money on the line and face possibly loosing it, you are far more careful as to your decisions. As far as they are concerned, they are moving out of an apartment and see the Bank (FMs) as the landlord. In their minds, bank has the property and it's their problem to find another buyer.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
I Titled It As 'Fannie/Freddie'
September 15, 2008 - 12:28 ET by JDWI was not certain if he was frankly inquiring or simply antagonizing.
Banks today fear risk of loans.
The brokerage fears collapse.
Baby boomers fear no Social Security.
When one removes the risk, one takes away the responsibility in running the market.
JDW
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They made their money.
September 15, 2008 - 10:05 ET byWhy gripe about people making money? It's a business not a charity. They raked in millions with no oversight from those you elected. Now you're crying about greedy investors not able to reap the rewards of the CEO's? Being duped then realizing you've been duped should make you wonder about those you elected. Glad to see people waking up...though it's too late.
Conservative socialism on display...Let's bail out the banks and give the money back to the banks. I guess Bush was right this is becoming an ownership society...the Gov't by the people is about to own everybody? Thanks,George.
Where are all the free market types in this crisis? Doesn't this rub you raw to see this economy tanking and banks being bailed out?
Ubercon
Oh please, you're blaming
September 15, 2008 - 10:22 ET by dscottOh please, you're blaming the banks for the incompetence of the Democrat's Equality of Outcome policy? Who do you think set the rules for granting mortgages to be bought? Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The banks and other financial institutions based their CDOs on mortgages of these two institutions. Who ran these institutions until recently. CLINTOON croonies!
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
dscott:
September 15, 2008 - 11:03 ET by j. frank wilsonCDOs were not comprised of Fannie and Freddie mortgages. You're mixing up two distinct types of residential mortgages. Not apples and oranges - more like grapes and watermelons.
The sub-prime, and the neg-am option ARM's, did not confirm to Fannie and Freddie underwriting guidelines. That's why the whole market grew to package these mortgages up and sell them overseas.
The Bush Administration had the opportunity to actually supervise Freddie and Fannie. They instituted their "reforms" in 2003 - Republican in the White House, Republicans running both Houses of Congress. Then there was the Oxley-Sorbanes accounting reforms - didn't do a bit of good for Fannie's and Freddie's abuses.
Deregulation? The Bush Administration byword. The lack of adult supervision across the board can directly be traced to Bush Admnistration policies.
But, hey - what's to worry about? Vote for McCain-Palin and we can look forward to four more years of all this!
Wrong, wrong and
September 15, 2008 - 11:42 ET by dscottWrong, wrong and wrong.
Together these two companies amount to about 70% or so of the total secondary market for home mortgages in which mortgages are bought from the originating lenders and then packaged into tranches which are sold to investors in what is known as a Collateralized Debt Obligation (CDO).
Fannie Mae and Freddic Mac (FMs) are not subject to sarbanes-oxley because it is a quasi-government institution.
It was the prosecutors under the Bush Administration that went after the Clintoon cronies running the FMs
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
dscott:
September 15, 2008 - 13:00 ET by j. frank wilsonWhere did you find that link? That's some funny stuff - wildly incorrect, of course, on many levels - but hilarious, none the less. "Packaged into tranches" - that's writing by someone trying to throw around a term or two as if they know what they were writing about.
GSE's or not - and not would be correct at this point - corporations with shares traded on public exchanges must follow the law. They also need to be reviewed, audited, and examined (there are differences between those three, by the way) - and regulated. The Bush Admnistration flopped on these.
Thanks for the laugh!
they're going to call it BDS.
September 15, 2008 - 11:47 ET byJ. Frank Wilson,
They will never own up to their own faults for electing Bush and how he allowed his masters to empty the coiffers. Nope, blame, blame, blame. They're perfect as long as they say they are. No Republican created this mess...much like the child with crumbs on his face and the broken cookie jar on the floor. As the child says it wasn't his fault that the cookie jar was so close to his hand and the edge of the counter. He decided to eat the cookies before his baby brother had access to them...what a joke! Spin it boys!
Ubercon
They raked in millions with no oversight from those you elected.
September 15, 2008 - 10:26 ET by Prester JohnThe last time I check the Dems were in charge of Congress with 7 of the top 8 recipients of money from FNMA being Dems.
1. Dodd D-CT $133,900
2. Kerry D-MA $111,000
3. Obama D-IL $105,849
4. Clinton D-NY $75,550
5. Kanjorski D-PA $65,500
6. Bennett R-UT $61,499
7. Johnson, D-SD $61,000
8. Conrad D-ND $58,991
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html
You remember Dodd and Conrad don't you? They were the ones who somehow didn't realize they were getting sweetheart mortgages while being members of the Senate committees that oversee the financial industries.
Also, "In the 2008 election cycle, Lehman political action committees, employees and their immediate family members have given $1.9 million to all federal candidates, said the center, which posts its campaign finance data at www.opensecrets.org....Lehman donors have sent 64 percent of their 2008 donations to Democrats and 36 percent to Republicans, the center said."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idINN1127961720080911?sp=true
I have nothing against people making money, I do have something against such supposedly smart people being so short-sighted and stupid as to not be aware of what is going on around them.
Prester John:
September 15, 2008 - 11:09 ET by j. frank wilsonWhy do you only list 2008 contributions? To make the Democratic Party look bad? What major Fannie/Freddie legistation was passed this year?
The same website has contributions 1989 - 2008 - and the top 25 are just about 50/50.
Why don't you tell the whole story?
Spin, spin, spin...
September 15, 2008 - 11:51 ET byIt's easier to blame the present and overlook the past as they dress up the future. Lipstick and a dress on the pig of the past 8 years. They need to start owning up to the failures and confess their sins.What am I saying they lost credibility a llllooonnnngggg time ago. Chickens coming to roost!
Ubercon
Um...
September 15, 2008 - 12:08 ET by Roger the ShrubberActually, those numbers ARE from 1989-2008, not just from 2008.
Oh, and 16 Democrat(ic)s to 9 Republicans is just a smidge off of a 50/50 split.
So?
September 15, 2008 - 12:25 ET byRog,
The MSM will report it minus the (D) and make sure the (R) is shown prominently. LOL!
How many indicted (R)'s to (D)'s? 50/50 split?
If it's legal...who gives a rat's ass? It's not as if any of them are the least bit ethical...perception is reality!
Ubercon
Well, since you are
September 15, 2008 - 13:18 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, since you are sticking your nose in, allow me to smack it.
I merely pointed out two of Frankie's lame points as being incorrect (which they were). Legality and indictments were not even a part of my statement. Are you getting your responses mixed up?
Oh Rog...
September 15, 2008 - 13:39 ET byDon't smack my nose...use violence appropriately. Smack my fanny with your lips. Who cares? The spin is what matters. You want to believe lies by saying their truths and then proceed to tell us we should believe the lying liars who are to blame for this mess. As the GOP said, "The Change you deserve!"...free comedy. You're much better with the Shrub Report than trying to be taken seriously. Play to your strong points- fun-lovingly, humorous, and not to be taken seriously. Turn that frown upside down!
Ubercon
Snore...
September 15, 2008 - 13:55 ET by Roger the ShrubberWow, you managed to lull most of this board to sleep with your ramblings, Ubie. Your apology is accepted.
He's a "conservative" you
September 15, 2008 - 13:50 ET by Jack BauerHe's a "conservative" you know!
He's not just a
September 15, 2008 - 13:54 ET by Roger the ShrubberHe's not just a conservative, Jackson, but an UBER-conservative!
Damn, where are my umlats?
Bush Boy:
September 15, 2008 - 13:30 ET by j. frank wilsonPJ labeled that table as 2008. Here's the roster of all lawmakers (13 Democrats and 12 Republicans - about 50/50, just as I said) who received contributions 1989-2008 - not the edited table previously referenced:
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html
From the same site:
Both companies have poured money into lobbying and campaign contributions to federal candidates, parties and committees as a general tactic, but they've also directed those contributions strategically. In the 2006 election cycle, Fannie Mae was giving 53 percent of its total $1.3 million in contributions to Republicans, who controlled Congress at that time. This cycle, with Democrats in control, they've reversed course, giving the party 56 percent of their total $1.1 million in contributions. Similarly, Freddie Mac has given 53 percent of its $555,700 in contributions to Democrats this cycle, compared to the 44 percent it gave during 2006.
Where's McCain?
September 15, 2008 - 13:41 ET byJ.Frank Wilson,
Did you notice the McCain omission? Not pretty! He raked in more than Dodd! Ouch!
Ubercon
Frankie, you are still
September 15, 2008 - 14:04 ET by Roger the ShrubberFrankie, you are still wrong. Prester John never stated his data was for 2008 only, and you are not using the same link of data he did. The link he supplied is different.
Are you this much of a baby (answer=yes!) that you have to twist the truth like this? I pointed out two lies that you stated, and you are making yourself look even more foolish by lying more to cover yourself?
Oh, and the next time you cry like a little girl (just like today) about being called a douchebag (which you are the majority of the time), remember that when you toss out the even-lame-back-in-2004 "Bush Boy" line (which you have used on at least two people here today). A liar AND a hypocrite? Oh, my!
Bush Boy:
September 15, 2008 - 14:30 ET by j. frank wilsonYes, two links. Just as I said. Same site. I thought a complete list was a better source.
Lies? Apparently you confuse me with Sen. McCain's campaign.
Yawn.
September 15, 2008 - 17:35 ET by Roger the ShrubberFrankie, you posted: Why do you only list 2008 contributions?
I said you are wrong.
You were wrong.
Deal with it, Pumpkin.
You are truly the Fred Berry of verbal gymnastics.
shrubbo -- yes, just a tad.
September 15, 2008 - 13:47 ET by Jack Bauershrubbo -- yes, just a tad. That would be 64% (D) to 36% (R).
But -- in the liberal mind that's about 50/50 I suppose. It's Obamath -- defies gravity!
Where'd he go?
September 15, 2008 - 09:44 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsToo bad our resident hard currency guy, who shall remain unnamed, got his peepee smacked and hasn't been seen 'round these parts lately. He may have had some (long winded, with loads of links) insight into this.
LOL
D
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DFTT,
September 15, 2008 - 13:00 ET by Indiana JoeIf you mean who I think you mean, yeah, I was kind of wondering about that too. Hadn't seen him around lately, know what the story is?
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
IJ,
September 15, 2008 - 13:45 ET by MassConservTo summarize...
One of the NB editors requested that he stop posting the same links on all the "money" threads.
He felt singled out and decided to take his ball and go home.
It's a self-exile.
Rasmussen Poll
September 15, 2008 - 09:44 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarStill showing McC 2 points up (was 3 over weekend). I know polls are beasts all unto themselves but they can give a general "flavor" to the climate. I guess Hurricane Ike trumped Chucky G's hatchet job on Sarah.
And speaking of Ike, I see Geraldo wasn't washed out to sea ... almost though (the firemen laughing at that a$$ was priceless). I was waiting for a 100mph 2x4 to come sailing into the shot of him on the seawall.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
That was funny, to bad the
September 15, 2008 - 11:42 ET by general companyThat was funny, to bad the camera guy wasnt on him the whole time. Geraldo getting washed out. : ]
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Terrorism: Obama Wavers Again
September 15, 2008 - 10:06 ET by JDWObama is interviewed on 60 Minutes in February of 2008. "Out of Iraq now. I hear you. I'm sympathetic. But I didn't know a bunch of stuff until I got here. The Bush administration had not been forthcoming with us. As you know, they tried to hide a bunch of things. I hope that we can leave soon. My hope is that we will be able to get out of there as soon as possible, but I have assessed the situation, and I am telling you tonight that this is not the best or the right time to do it. But I hope that I will be able to revise this policy in coming months."
Politically the liberals are destroying themselves over the issue. Why support terrorism?
NYP: While campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence. ...
Obama is again on the other side of his perspective? Can we count how often this occurs? Which leaders change their minds at will? And who is Obama to be stepping over government jurisdiction?
JDW
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Ok folks, it's time for
September 15, 2008 - 10:17 ET by dscottOk folks, it's time for some ugly truth telling here. After checking out the government current receipts and expenditures for the last reported quarter, we are in a world of hurt. $816 billion dollar projected deficit for FY 2008!!!!! The deficit rose by $250 billion from the last qtr. Treasury receipts dropped almost by $200 billion and social insurance expenses (includes unemployment) went up by $315 billion to $699 billion on line 29. The big hit on income was entirely on line 3 Personal current taxes. http://www.bea.gov/bea/dn/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=84&FirstYear=2004&LastYear=2006&Freq=Qtr&3Place=Y
Now why do you supposed the MSM has been so quiet about this since it was published on Aug 28th??
Something has to give and quickly. If the price of oil doesn't drop dramatically, the dollar is going to plunge in value and interest rates are going to soar (the Fed will not be able to do anything about that). The economy has clearly passed the tipping point of oil price increases being adsorbed and is outstripping all offsetting productivity gains. There is only one bonified stimulus package that will rescue the economy. We need to turn up the heat on the Dems no drill position. Without the price of oil dropping to 2006 levels or less there will be a real recession not the faux one continually proclaimed for the last 6 years by the MSM.
Everyone email your congress critters and tell the stupid idiots to stop meddling with the country's energy supplies and remove all impediments for drilling for oil and natural gas. DRILL BABY DRILL!!! Demand all current restrictions on oil shale production be lifted immediately. Demand an immediate end to the ethanol mandates and subsidies, it's a major drain on the US Treasury.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Obama wanted to delay Iragi withdraw
September 15, 2008 - 10:36 ET by ricklailI just ran across this story . Why hasn't it made it on Fox yet? I know the MSM won't touch it.
If this is true then it would be at least a violation of the Logan Act if not treason.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
»→ ricklail
September 15, 2008 - 10:36 ET by Cool ArrowWe just found it on Drudge earlier. Let's just hope if it's true, it has corroboration.
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
Let's just hope if it's
September 15, 2008 - 10:56 ET by general companyLet's just hope if it's true, it has corroboration.
Since when do the msm need corroboration, if this was about a Repub it would be puplished as fact.
But you are right, corroboration would be nice, but I doubt if you will here anything from our military commanders. And the msm isnt going to listen to any Iraqi's
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
McCain needs to make an
September 15, 2008 - 10:38 ET by Gat New YorkMcCain needs to make an issue of this.
I was also concerned why Obama's advisor Malley was caught talking with Hamas.
Gat
September 15, 2008 - 10:50 ET by ricklailI just read a SCOTUS decsion in US vs Curtis-Wright Exports where the court ruled that only the POTUS or his/her duly appointed rep could negociate with a foreign country. The Logan Act seemed to give Congresscriters some leeway but the court decsion make it clear.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
What else is new?
September 15, 2008 - 10:45 ET by Prester JohnKennedy having a back channel to the Kremlin back in the 80s.
Dick Turban calling our guards at Gitmo Nazis,
Harry Reid declaring the war in Iraq lost etc.
Just another in a long line of Dems stabbing their country in the back.
Powerline has a good take on this
September 15, 2008 - 13:14 ET by Prester John"This is shocking, although, coming from Obama, not surprising. It's not just that he has tried, in private, to achieve the exact opposite result from the one he has advocated in public. Worse, Obama has in effect tried to conduct his own foreign policy as a President-in-waiting, thereby undermining the actual foreign policy of the United States.
For Obama to engage in this kind of politically-motivated backstabbing of the United States government is deeply dishonorable. Moreover, as Taheri notes, Obama has a conflict of interest here: the United States wants our efforts in Iraq to succeed, but Obama wants--needs--for them to fail.
So, if what Taheri says is right, Obama is carrying out his own foreign policy, in opposition not only to his own stated position on Iraq, but in opposition to the foreign policy of the United States, with a view toward bringing about failure, not success, in Iraq. Nice."
http://www.powerlineblog.com/
Now then, how long it will take for the MSM and cable networks to pick this up? Rush is talking about it right now.
Um, waving hand....
September 15, 2008 - 13:38 ET by BlondeThis has set the bells to clanging in my head.
During the primaries, didn't Obama publicly say one thing about Nafta while privately communicating to the Canadian government that he was doing it for campaign purposes only, no worries?
This guy is really starting to scare me. Well, actually what scares me is that so many people actually believe his smoke and mirrors.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Prester... I too read
September 15, 2008 - 13:46 ET by bigtimerPrester...
I too read about this early this morning on RCP...
I thought there may be a blog post about this outrage somewhere here today...how the hell dare Obama...who he thinks he is is beyond reason, I am glad he is going down in flames.
I do hope someone does a blog spot about this....
If not maybe it would be a good place for a forum thread.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Another Bad Call from THE CHOSEN ONE
September 15, 2008 - 10:35 ET by Gat New YorkObama called this: "the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression"
Obama needs a history lesson.
He then went on to point fingers and voiced no solutions.
Conversely, McCain did not hyperventilate and made a statement that actually offered solutions.
That is the difference.
Again, Obama called this "the most serious financial crisis since the Great Depression." Not only is this blatantly ignorant but in comparison to the Wall Street crash under Clinton this is a Sunday picnic.
The last I saw, George Bush does not run any Wall Street Company nor does any elected official. In a free market society a company can choose to run its company how it sees fit and the shareholders can hold these people accountable. Lehman Brothers like certain other financial institutions were not very responsible in their practices. The same with Merrill Lynch. This is not the first time.
These and other investment firms should have been all investigated 8 years ago after intentionally peddling false analysis of internet and tech industries that led to the NASDAQ crash and a string of major corporate scandals that transpired during the Clinton administration.
Back then people lost their 401Ks, pensions, stock savings with the rash of bankruptcies of companies. Investments in those companies were the result of these very investment companies intentionally misleading investors.
It is worth noting there is a trend of commercial banks that have acquired investment firms in the past and continue to do so. Merrill Lynch being acquired by Bank of America is not different than Morgan Stanley being acquired by Chase, or Saloman Smith Barney by Citibank. It is also worth noting that there will be a long steady consolidation of banks in this country to the point where there will be probably half as many as there are now. It’s called progress.
Obama’s response to this was highly irresponsible and one more reason this job is way “over (his) pay grade.”
Politics
September 15, 2008 - 10:45 ET by iveseenitallOur "representatives" have been representing no one but themselves for years. Look at the Charlie Rangel affair. And how about that Chris Dodd! Democrats and Republicans are up to their ears in corruption. But we are all to blame for our own apathy. Obama will bring more of the same. McCain has nothing to lose by attempting to clean things up. I believe he truly wants change. Obama is for Obama. He's as corrupt as the rest of them. And he may be around much longer than McCain. Rome is falling. Sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
»→ Charlie Rangel
September 15, 2008 - 10:46 ET by Cool ArrowGlenn Beck opined last week, If Obama is serious about "change" he would call for the immediate removal of Cheater Charlie Rangel from the Ways and Means Chairmanship.
Glenn's right. But don't worry, Obama is nothing if not Chicago Machine.
"Us white folk will take care of you" - Barbara Walters
Obama
September 15, 2008 - 10:58 ET by iveseenitallRight. Obama will not "change" Washington any more than he "changed" Chicago. Maybe McCain won't change things much either. But I believe he will try. Talk about "more of the same"; that'll be Barry Obama's Washington when it comes to corruption.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Sen. McCain has had 30 years
September 15, 2008 - 13:08 ET by j. frank wilsonto change things. Most of the time he's either just talked and then backed down, or passed legislation he now doesn't support.
If you are happy with the previous eight years, vote for McCain-Palin. And look forward to four more years of the same.
If you are interested in actually seeing positive change, then vote for Obama-Biden.
jfw
September 15, 2008 - 13:30 ET by UphillWhat kind of positive change do you mean?
My tax rate would go up -
September 15, 2008 - 15:28 ET by HermanoMy tax rate would go up - that's in the positive direction as far as Obama and j. frank are concerned. It is a negative for me.
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Uphill, j.frank won't answer that question.
September 15, 2008 - 23:00 ET by R D HelmAs he hasn't a clue about the answer.
All his shallow little mind can wrap itself around is "change." The actuall direction of that change is irrelevant to mindless Obamatons like j.frank.
-Dave.
Socialism and appeasement
September 15, 2008 - 22:45 ET by UnsanePositive change?
Like a government whose aim is to punish and steal from its most successful, productive citizens?
Like a government that has a foreign policy that only consists of TALKING and appeasing, and otherwise being as whiny as possible?
Can you elaborate on this "positive change"? Bet you won't, because that will mean you exposing yourself as a Socialist.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Bush Boy:
September 15, 2008 - 13:25 ET by j. frank wilsonPlease see the above.
McCain has had 30 years . .
September 15, 2008 - 22:52 ET by Free StinkerMcCain has had 30 years . . .LOL
Of course you would think 1 Senator can outvote the other 99. You clearly have no idea how the Federal Government Works.
Governor Palin - She is the Real Deal !
j.frank, you are truly too stupid to be posting here.
September 15, 2008 - 23:02 ET by R D HelmPlease return to the playground, as this class is truly too advanced for you.
-Dave.
R.D. Helm:
September 16, 2008 - 12:22 ET by j. frank wilsonIf this post doesn't prove that you are animated by extreme hatred, contempt and total negativity, I don't know what does...
Obama Girl
September 16, 2008 - 12:31 ET by Roger the ShrubberDid RD write something in that post that wasn't true?
that's news to us.
Even better
September 16, 2008 - 22:52 ET by UnsaneEven better, Roger, even better. I like being quoted and all, but you would think that some of us would use proper attribution. To wit, read below:
Sinking ship???
September 16, 2008 - 11:35 ET by Unsane
If this is the sinking ship, then what are you still doing here?
If this post doesn't prove that you are animated by extreme hatred, contempt and total negativity, I don't know what does...
Well, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery I suppose...
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Interesting...
September 17, 2008 - 06:28 ET by Roger the ShrubberSo Frankie is the Joe Biden of Newsbusters?
I like it!
September 17, 2008 - 18:54 ET by UnsaneIndeed! But at least Biden had the sense to swipe words from fellow Leftists. frank crossed the aisle to do so. Sad, isn't it? He just can't help but showcase how bankrupt he is...
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Bush Boy:
September 18, 2008 - 15:09 ET by j. frank wilsonThere's already an "Obama Girl" - and she's much more famous than I am. Better looking, too.
It is interesting that you consider "Girl" to be an insult. Says a great deal about you and your ilk...
Still ridgingt he short bus?
September 18, 2008 - 16:30 ET by Roger the ShrubberActually, the "Obama" part is the insult, Pumpkin.
Try to keep up, will ya?
Busted
September 16, 2008 - 22:43 ET by UnsanePlagiarize much, frank?
You are so intellectually bankrupt that you can't even come up with your own material???
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Unsane:
September 18, 2008 - 14:58 ET by j. frank wilsonYou really don't have a sense of humor, do you?
Gee Bucky, have you been looking at the latest numbers from New Mexico? From Wisconsin? Minnestoa? How about Indiana and North Carolina (North Carolina?)? Or Michigan? Even Ohio. In Richard Nixon's words, it always comes down to Ohio. While the Republicans have tried to drain their cesspool of Ohio politics, it's very possible Sen. Obama can will without Ohio - that would be an historical victory. Now he might even take Ohio, as well...
Frank, Obama will never carry NC
September 18, 2008 - 15:20 ET by jefflebowskiEven with the tide of unwashed liberal yankee transplants sullying the Tar Heel state, your boy Obama is going down double digits.
I can't wait for Mr. Teleprompter to hit the debates....umm...er....above..errr...mmmm...my...paygrade.
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
The debates will show the real McCoy...
September 18, 2008 - 19:37 ET byummm...eeerrr...I meant the real McCain...
Obama may surprise everyone...if he makes McCain mad...I can see Obama using Camron's line with O'Reilly, "you mad, you mad..."
If McCain gets upset...Game over. Period.
Where's Carly?
Ubercon
Point?
September 19, 2008 - 23:03 ET by UnsaneIs there a point to your drivel?
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Let's cancel the elections,frank!!!
September 18, 2008 - 19:54 ET by UnsaneI have a very sick, warped sense of humor, but with my ongoing ascension in the realm of academia, plagiarism is one of those things I don't have a sense of humor about.
As for your slavish reliance of poll data, what should we do, frank? Cancel the election now and just declare your Socialist God PFL of the United States? Or, should we, just in case your precious polling data is incorrect, just go on ahead and for the hell of it hold the election anyway?
Remember: DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN. From the Chicago Tribune, IIRC, and now found in every U.S. history textbook published since. That's just one example I can think of. There's plenty more from this decade alone.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Unsane:
September 19, 2008 - 11:40 ET by j. frank wilson"Slavish reliance of [sic] poll data...?" Because I mention recent polls in one comment? Don't you read NB? Gov. Palin's dead cat bounce was the subject of numerous crowing comments here - and now those folks can look forward to eating that crow. I think its quite clear that the uxorious right-whiners are going to be very disappointed in that selection. She may play to The Base - but not the Independents who will decide the 2008 election. They are going to favor a candidate they actually know something about.
Dead cat
September 19, 2008 - 11:46 ET by BDDead cat bounce?
Hardly...
In one deft move, McCain rallied the one block of voters he was having problems convincing to take time to fill a ballot for him - Conservatives.
Prior to Palins selection, the typical McCain voter was a lukewarm conservative or a pro-defense independant.
Conservatives like me were not going to cast a ballot in the presidential race.. simply going to wait til 2012. Palin changed that.
You meant Social Conservatives,
September 19, 2008 - 19:40 ET byBD,
...there is a difference and it should be noted. To lump all conservatives together is an absolute stretch. True conservatives are not supporting Palin. You're going to vote for McCain now that Palin's on the ticket?!? Wow, I've always taken you as a level-headed individual with critical thinking skills. Your support of Palin has changed that assumption. We are talking about someone who attended 5 different small colleges before graduating with a Journalism degree, local sports/weather girl, 6 years as a mayor of a town with less than 8,000, 20 short months as a governor of a state with 650,000 people, foreign policy experience with Russia by looking out her window, has no idea what the Bush Doctrine is, what the office of the VP does, supported the bridge to nowhere than didn't and kept the money, continues to push for more earmarks for her state, her "first dude" with at least one DWI and no college education, he didn't register to vote until he was 25, was part of the Alaska secession party...the list is getting longer as more information, true facts, real stories continue to develop. Great pick, BD! If it rains on Tuesday, the voting booths will be open for conservatives like you on Wednesday...(sarc on)!!!
Übercon
U - impressive list - and
September 19, 2008 - 20:01 ET by HermanoU - impressive list - and almost completely irrelavent. Problems with the "first dude - dui/no degree/AIP "sports/weather girl?" "small colleges?" "650,000 people? 8000 people?" You have got to be kidding. If this is the best you've got, you need to do something else, like the paint by numbers page in Highlights for Children. As far as FP, what has BO done in this respect? Oh, that is right, he had a subcommittee on Afghanistan. I am not even going to go into how many meetings he held.
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To lump all conservatives
September 19, 2008 - 20:06 ET by BDTo lump all conservatives together is an absolute stretch. True conservatives are not supporting Palin.
Wow, I've always taken you as a level-headed individual with critical thinking skills. Your support of Palin has changed that assumption. We are talking about someone who attended 5 different small colleges before graduating with a Journalism degree
local sports/weather girl,
6 years as a mayor of a town with less than 8,000,
20 short months as a governor of a state with 650,000 people,
foreign policy experience with Russia by looking out her window,
has no idea what the Bush Doctrine is,
what the office of the VP does,
supported the bridge to nowhere than didn't and kept the money,
her "first dude" with at least one DWI and no college education,
he didn't register to vote until he was 25,
Great pick, BD! If it rains on Tuesday, the voting booths will be open for conservatives like you on Wednesday...(sarc on)!!!
20 short months as a
September 19, 2008 - 21:21 ET by motherbelt20 short months as a governor of a state with 650,000 people,
BD, you should have metnioned that's 600 days...457 days longer than Obama worked as a US Senator.....
Uber... "True
September 19, 2008 - 20:17 ET by Clear thinkerUber...
"True conservatives are not supporting Palin."
Where did you pick up this little pearl of wisdom? From a liberal site? I'm a true conservative, and most of the people I communicate with are true conservatives. Every one of us is backing Gov. Palin 100%. I have mentioned this before, but enjoy saying it so... I'm hoping that Sarah Palin is the future of the GOP!
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Clear...leave Uber alone
September 19, 2008 - 20:23 ET by BlondeHe's trying to make himself feel better, telling himself all of the DKos lies, trying hard to make that Kool-Aid taste better.
The McCain signs are sprouting like weeds in my neighborhood. Not one Bambi sign to be seen.
People are excited....Florida is a big swing state, and going big time for McCain this time.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
B and CT
September 19, 2008 - 20:31 ET byGOOBER a more descriptive appallation fer tha one ye mention
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
blonde
September 19, 2008 - 20:35 ET by MrShyWill McCain and Palin bring their hammers with them next Friday?
I think they will.
As we say in b-ball parlance... "less' finish'em off!"
NOW PLAYING:
Governor Palin Get Your Gun
Clear Thinker
September 19, 2008 - 20:25 ET by shawn228Does this mean have changed your mind and you are not leaving the Republian party and will vote for McCain?
Real life video games are cool
shawn... You ask tough
September 19, 2008 - 20:34 ET by Clear thinkershawn...
You ask tough questions, but not of me!
Ok, without the wise ass comments, here's my answers... If I vote GOP it will be completely due to Gov. Palin being on the ticket. So in my mind it's almost not a vote for McCain, even though I know reality says otherwise. If Sarah wins, I will stick with the GOP. If she loses, I'm gone!
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Ct...that's why I post
September 19, 2008 - 20:42 ET by bigtimerCt...that's why I post Palin/McCain now and then...lol...or Palin Power.
For me, it's John who?
I know you understand exactly what I mean...or better put, where you're coming from.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
You and I may have been
September 19, 2008 - 20:46 ET by Clear thinkerYou and I may have been seperated at birth?!
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LOL Ct... ..and may we
September 19, 2008 - 20:59 ET by bigtimerLOL Ct...
..and may we both be graced with long lives to spread our knowledge to others...
I mean that in a self-depreciating humorous way folks...
...After-all it's Friday Night!
On one serious note regarding Palin, I want to hear her views on illegal immigration..I have posted some of the things I have heard McCain say still on this issue and a few others that matter to me mightly that haven't changed on bit when it comes to him.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Unfortunately, the McCain
September 19, 2008 - 21:06 ET by Clear thinkerUnfortunately, the McCain camp will probably tell her to stay away from that subject. Sigh...
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Well...I have been hoping
September 19, 2008 - 21:14 ET by bigtimerWell...I have been hoping that this comes up in the debate between her and Biden..but I fear it will not as the moderators who sponsor this are most likely on the Obama side and do not want this issue brought up either...after-all they are both pandering for the illegal voters in this election...it is sickening...
You hear nothing about this anymore...at all...
Behind Drill baby Drill this is of the utmost of issues on both sides of the aisle that anybody could win on according to the polls for a very long time..National Security and Judges on our side of the aisle goes without saying.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I need to apologize...
September 19, 2008 - 22:25 ET byAfter seeing what happen today...I think I can say without a doubt...we are all socialists now. We all have a stake in this beautiful bailout. Our government's holdings in the financial market have made us into the European countries we berate and criticize day in & day out. Gosh, I can't wait for the blame game to start...so, my apologies for calling you all conservatives...I'm proud to call you socialists whether you like it or not!
Übercon
Hey Uber
September 19, 2008 - 23:25 ET by BlondeFUVM
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Stupidity and snobbery on parade
September 19, 2008 - 23:22 ET by UnsaneTrue conservatives are not supporting Palin. Your credibility will go much further here if you refrain from speaking for "true conservatives". Considering how little you have here I'd recommend severe economizing and austerity.
And once again, you only show your extreme, total snobbery. Worse, you do this over the Vice Presidential pick. Vice Presidents can and are groomed. I'd much rather groom a VP than give a Socialist President on the job training.
Finally, I know you the whole concept of competing with IDEAS is foreign to you, as it is to almost all Leftists and Socialists, but really, would it be too much to ask to apply some logic? What does anything Todd Palin have to do with Sarah Palin being VP? What, is his DUI from 20+ years ago supposed to have an undue effect on Mrs. Palin breaking a tie in the Senate if need be? You vomit all this crap because you have ZERO IDEAS of your own. Again, if you concentrated as much effort on formulating and presenting actual IDEAS instead of being a smartass and laying down red herrings, you might get somewhere here.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
I am not NB
September 19, 2008 - 23:11 ET by UnsaneThey are going to favor a candidate they actually know something about. As we still know very very little about Obama or his ideas, you better hope and pray you are very wrong.
Oh, I forgot: he is about HOPE. Well, to the horror of those such as yourself, I look within for hope. Not to Washington. Oh, wait! He is about CHANGE. Wow. Change is inevitable, as surely as the next wave follows the one just crashed on the shore. Then you say he is about something called "positive change", and due to your own intellectual dishonesty, you cant tell me or anyone else what "positive change" is.
By the way, I am not NB. Just because my Rightists crow about...well, anything...doesn't mean I do. My disdain of polls is well-known here on NB. What, you think that if I see McCain ahead in the polls that I won't vote for him and otherwise complacently allow Socialists into the Executive Branch? No, because I fully intend to vote, and will as soon as early voting commences in my county here in TX.
And no, I am not voting for your Socialist God. And yes, I may be a Rightist, but I am an independent in the sense I don't belong to a party.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Perspective
September 15, 2008 - 11:13 ET by JDWTaxpayer presumed guilty until proven innocent.
Rangel...
JDW
DAILY WAVE
Experience
September 15, 2008 - 11:28 ET by Sergeant ROCKFunny e-mail about Obama's experience:
.......
Subject: this puts it pretty simple
The first time I read this quote, I thought it was dangerously true. Then I really started pondering it and thought how would this apply to our own lives/careers? Let's look at it again to see how absurd it is.
You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.
You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.
BUT....
'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate.
That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan. 143 days?
We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start.
AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public seems to feel comfortable with this and campaigning for him.
We wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are OK with this for the President of the United States of America?
Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol.
......
PALIN/McCain 2008
S.ROCK. It doesn't take 143 days to get food stamps.
September 19, 2008 - 12:00 ET by upcountrywaterThe entitlement base is his largest voting block.
CLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
the dnc like's ike...
September 15, 2008 - 12:14 ET by TruthMongereveryone ready for mind-numbing hurricane ike MSM-IZATION?
board up the windows of sanity, stock up on reality food and water...
Bush hates Houston!
more proof of global warming/cooling/climate change/whatever!
a deliberate Rovian plot to fix bad katrina PR with a successful disaster cleanup - "perfectly timed" for the election season - like, what are the odds of that dude?!?!?
Just trying to finish of
September 15, 2008 - 16:04 ET by general companyJust trying to finish of the New Orleanians,,,,oohh did I realy say that, wheres Spike
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Anybody know what's up with AIG?
September 15, 2008 - 12:22 ET by BlondeJust curious.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Let the market sort it out
September 15, 2008 - 12:29 ET by killbill2A few years ago it seemed like half of everyone I knew was becoming a mortgage broker to cash in on the frenzy. No one cared about all the bad paper while the gravy train was speeding along but now that the checks come everyones looking around the restaurant and no ones wants to reach for their wallet.
RCP now showing
September 15, 2008 - 13:04 ET by Indiana JoeMinnesota as a "toss-up," taking it away from "leaning Obama."
The beat goes on.... ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
And Obama's lead in New York..
September 15, 2008 - 14:18 ET by Prester John..supposedly down to 5 points.
Now, I don't believe that for a second but it's still a nice thought.
Mans best friend
September 15, 2008 - 13:07 ET by HillbillyKingThis is amazing. Take a break from all the gloom and doom of the stock market and read/watch it.
http://www.msnbc.msn...
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
The Fox Guarding the Hen House
September 15, 2008 - 13:10 ET by BlondeSeems that Nanny Pelosi has tripped over her own Culture of Corruption again.
Despite Republican calls for Rangel to be stripped of his Ways and Means Committee chairmanship, a spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told CBS 2 HD it is not going to happen.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Yeah JDW and I were
September 15, 2008 - 14:45 ET by bigtimerYeah JDW and I were talking about this earlier...
Oh my the silence from the msm is so surprising...I am surprised Fox isn't talking about this some.
Good golly if this was the other way around this would be huge news...the House repubs need to start talking about this loud and clear...of course whatever happened to Jefferson...(I'm just joking)
The hypocrisy knows no bounds with the msm...and they wonder why they are despised.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I am listening live to
September 15, 2008 - 14:39 ET by bigtimerI am listening live to Chuck Todd on msnbc and he is showing what states are now on McCain's side...he is still refusing to put Montana as a hard red state for McCain...my gawd, here are today's polls for each state...RCP has Mt. with 9 pts for McCain...
Poor leftist babies still refuse to see the light.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT, your going to have to
September 15, 2008 - 14:49 ET by bassndudeBT, your going to have to kick out those libs you have up there. All the libs from Washington must have moved in on ya.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Howdy bass... Sure wished
September 15, 2008 - 14:56 ET by bigtimerHowdy bass...
Sure wished I had the power to do just that.
On the other hand, Montana is solidly on the plus side for McCain...my goodness, he is up by nine points since Palin was named, and Chucky T still won't put this in the solid for McCain category...
Oh well, nevermind, I consider the source, I have been watching him from his beginning on The Hotline when he was a regular bi-weekly on the Washington Journal, he covers his bias well on msnbc most times though.
I guess with critters like him we have to wait until Montana is showing 20 points ahead for Palin/McCain ticket....lol.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
That's okay, BT
September 15, 2008 - 15:13 ET by BlondeLet Chucky believe what he wants....hopefully Odumbo is listening to him and will believe the bad numbers, too!
Oops, "What on earth uh, huh, uh, uh, happened to Montana?" They'll squeal like stuck pigs, with or without lipstick.
BTW....I am sick and tired of T. Boone & his bloody commercials as well.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
BTW....I am sick and
September 15, 2008 - 15:24 ET by bigtimerBTW....I am sick and tired of T. Boone & his bloody commercials as well.
ROFL!
You and me both...I don't know now, between his constant blathering hot air everywhere and nutri-system it's enough to drive anyone batty.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
You called that one!
September 15, 2008 - 15:32 ET by BlondeHe's got enough hot air to power one of those windmills of his.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Annoying commercials
September 16, 2008 - 10:28 ET by UnsaneBTW....I am sick and tired of T. Boone & his bloody commercials as well. All too true. Yes, natural gas is a great source of energy, but I do not want to bet the farm on it.
We need to be doing everything. Including the eventual expansion of the STNP to eight reactors. :-)
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Oil Down 6.60
September 15, 2008 - 15:03 ET by bigtimerWall Street may be down about 460 but heck oil is down by 6.60 something a barrel... now 94.00 something a barrel...
Color me tickled!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
To all the musicians and music aficionados on this board...
September 15, 2008 - 16:52 ET by bloolooIt's with a very heavy heart that I write this. I just read of the passing of Richard Wright, keyboard player and composer for one of the greatest bands ever, Pink Floyd. I met Richard and David Gilmour at a music workshop I attended with my brother back in the '80's. Both of them were true gentlemen and spent a lot of time chatting with us long after the workshop was over and they had met their obligation to be there. They couldn't have been nicer. Rest in peace Richard and thank you for the gift of your music that you shared with the world. I know we'll all meet again one day at that great gig in the sky...
blooloo
(edited to add this link - from his friend, David Gilmour)
Sad news indeed. Back in
September 15, 2008 - 17:12 ET by Clear thinkerSad news indeed. Back in the 80's Pink Floyd was one of the few concerts I really enjoyed. They didn't have a lot of concerts, but the ones they did have were awesome!
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What a shame he will be
September 15, 2008 - 17:33 ET by general companyWhat a shame he will be missed.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
The Great Gig in the Sky
September 15, 2008 - 22:48 ET by UnsaneI just read of this. I am a HUGE fan of Floyd, so my auditory canal has a massive void now.
Color Unsane depressed for the next few days...
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Sadness...
September 16, 2008 - 08:30 ET by Roger the ShrubberI hear you, Un. PINK FLOYD is one of my favorite bands, and it is definitely a bummer to hear this sad news.
Ironically, I read that Gilmour had ruled out a re-union show just hours before Wright's passing. Did he sing any of Floy'd tunes?
I thought I read he sang "Wish You were Here", but I thought Gilmour sang it. Any Floyd-o-philes out there?
Hey, everyone, remember AlGore? He's baaaaaaack!
September 15, 2008 - 19:30 ET by goldenthroatThe chief environmentalist wacko is at it again - this time with a 100 foot long yacht!
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080915/NEWS01/809150337/1006/NEWS01
Must have bought with his Pulitzer Prize dough! Yes, it does have solar panels but also must run on biodiesel - not easy to find fuel! Ahh, but don't worry, gang, AlGore will figure out something!
It's just another example of left-wing, liberal hypocrisy at its very best - or worst - depending how you define it!
"The sun's not going down, the horizon's moving up!" - Firesign Theatre
Brent Bozell on H & C
September 15, 2008 - 20:47 ET by BlondeTalking about the Atlantic Monthly idiot photog.
He's great!
Lib's sputtering, LOL.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
J, who was that greasy-haired idiot between The Boss and Colmes?
September 15, 2008 - 20:54 ET by R D HelmDamned funny, that was.
-Dave.
Good bye, NB. Its
September 15, 2008 - 23:55 ET by R D HelmGood bye, NB.
Its been a truly great 1 year, 11 months and 16 days. I am truly sorry I can
no-longer continue the journey, but priorities, as they say, have a way
of changing.
Best of luck to you all.
Dave.
??????
September 15, 2008 - 23:58 ET by shawn228Dave
What the Hell? What happened?
Real life video games are cool
Shawn,
September 16, 2008 - 00:04 ET by RESTLESS 1I could be wrong, but I think the blog he started may have something to do with it. Perhaps he'll give us some insight.
Either way, Dave, I wish you the best of luck, and I'll try to keep in touch through your blog. God bless.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Bye, Dave...
September 16, 2008 - 07:50 ET byI know I will miss your thoughtful words and insights. Thanks for being you.
Ubercon
Good Luck.
September 16, 2008 - 08:49 ET by MassConservSorry to see you go, R D.
Hope all works out!
First rat
September 16, 2008 - 10:28 ET by j. frank wilsonoff the sinking ship...
Sinking ship???
September 16, 2008 - 10:35 ET by UnsaneIf this is the sinking ship, then what are you still doing here?
If this post doesn't prove that you are animated by extreme hatred, contempt and total negativity, I don't know what does...
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Sinking? What proof have
September 16, 2008 - 10:44 ET by BDSinking? What proof have you that NB is sinking?
We have more proof that the Obama/MSM boat is foundering....
Gosh, I hope the investors aren't tied to the turmoil...
September 16, 2008 - 11:56 ET byj.frank wilson,
You know it's bad if they start charging us to be here. My suggestion is start supporting the advertisers...order the cute chick t-shirts today or else you'll see those girls out on the street...on second thought...
Ubercon
R D? No!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 16, 2008 - 10:37 ET by UnsaneWhat??? Who the hell else will I be able to discuss great Canadian music with???
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.