For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Is attacking Sarah Palin Barack Obama's only chance to win the White House?
It goes without saying that the announcement of Palin as John McCain's running mate has energized Republicans like nothing we've seen in decades. Now, polls are showing that she has also excited independents and white women across the country putting McCain ahead in this race for virtually the first time since it began.
With this in mind, is this race over unless Obama and his media minions can either find dirt on Palin that sticks, or force her into a serious gaffe with the cameras rolling? Do Obama and his surrogates know this, and that's why all they've been doing for going on two weeks is attacking this woman?
How does Obama win if his entire campaign is exclusively on the Bash Palin Bandwagon? More importantly, will such attacks further alienate women that Obama desperately needs to win on Election Day?
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I'd say just the opposite.
September 10, 2008 - 09:56 ET by Free ThinkerI'd say just the opposite. The more they attack her the worse he looks and the polls show it. Obama needs to tell America why he is the best choice to be President which will be a difficult task considering his stances on many issues. Attacking Palin is a show of desperation and fear, not exactly traits America admires in its leaders.
I agree. The more they
September 10, 2008 - 10:00 ET by motherbeltI agree. The more they attack Palin, especially on the experience issue, the worse he looks.
Saying he is better then the Republican Vice-Presidential candidate is not exactly glowing praise.
Obama vs Palin
September 10, 2008 - 10:34 ET by GothampcThat's what's so hilarious about the whole thing. The McCain camp has Obama swatting at Palin. Doesn't the Obama team get it? She's not the important one here. McCain is. Swatting at Palin only exercises her muscles for the future.
They've taken their eye way
September 10, 2008 - 10:45 ET by Hero SquadThey've taken their eye way off the target here. The more they compare their presidential candidate to the vice presidential candidate, the less presidential he looks.
McCain made an ingenious move picking Palin, and it only further solidifies his judgement capabilities.
Damn, I wish I could've seen them yesterday when they were rallying six blocks from my office!
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
My bet is Gov Palin had a laughing fit when she heard BHO.
September 10, 2008 - 10:30 ET by doodlebugI'm sure Gov. Palin couldn't care less about what Obama thinks about her or even what he says about her (excluding her children). I imagine she and Sen. McCain had a huge laugh and high-fives all around when Obama made the "lipstick" comment. And when Obama supporters are making fools of themselves as well, all the better. Even an incredibly liberal "friend" of mine was offended by the Trig eBay ad and another hate site someone put up about Trig. As a father of 3 he really found it offensive. He didn't say it would prevent him from voting for Obama but it is certainly giving him pause.
Not working so far
September 10, 2008 - 09:57 ET by MeanderingHe and his minions are trying to smear Palin, but the more they talk smack the tighter conservatives, independants and women will rally around Palin. She exemplifies all that is good with our country and everyone knows it. That's why people are excited, because she is one of us. So, they might find something that will cause her base to soften its grip for Palin, but the fact that Obama, the media and liberals are contiuning to try is what is hurting Obama that most (in my opinion). So I say let them keep throwing mud, even if they hit Palin a few times, they are the ones rolling around in the mud. Who's the pig now?
Meandering...
September 10, 2008 - 10:44 ET by Clear thinker"but the more they talk smack the tighter conservatives, independants and women will rally around Palin. She exemplifies all that is good with our country and everyone knows it. That's why people are excited, because she is one of us."
Bravo! There is no way I could improve on what you wrote.
America Owes Sarah Palin A Debt Of Gratitude
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Backfiring
September 10, 2008 - 10:10 ET by iveseenitallThe Palin attacks are backfiring---bigtime. How stupid can the "liberals" be? You don't attack any woman like this. As a man, I learned this simple lesson a long time ago. Dumb, dumb, bumb! Tammy Bruce, a Democrat, noted on Fox yesterday that they are managing to find a way to lose again. I love it.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
McCain Ad
September 10, 2008 - 10:04 ET by saw the lightHere is an ad a relative forwarded to me. I apologize if it's old news, but I think it's pretty effective. Now if he would only run it on air!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8
stl, I saw that wonderful video yesterday
September 10, 2008 - 12:41 ET by upcountrywaterAt that time It had 1.6 M views, now 2.5 M... People are watching..
Liberals62%
IranianUranium
Double edged sword...
September 10, 2008 - 10:04 ET by DamianoPalin has without question changed the election in a positive way for McCain.
Here's my theory on the Obama camp- the longer they can keep Palin as the number one news item, the longer Obama continues to go without scrutiny.
The media was running out of ways not to talk about his past, associations, inexperience, record, etc. Palin, regrettably, has given them a whole list of new excuses and they are playing it up as much as possible.
If they keep McCain on the defensive about Palin, Obama continues to get a pass. The MSM are more than happy to oblige, since Palin= record ratings and she's more "new" than Obama.
Make no mistake. Obama is thanking his hateful, racist God for the distraction.
It may be a "welcomed"
September 10, 2008 - 10:08 ET by HermanoIt may be a "welcomed" distraction, but it still is not working for him. Had he simply played his straight, he would have had a better than even chance at the presidency. These attacks have so far only proven that Palin is a strong candidate.
The Newsbusters Comments Crew: Saving the Environment - One Ribeye at a Time! h/t Dr_Liberty
If the attacks were founded
September 10, 2008 - 10:08 ET by dvdaughtryIf the attacks were founded on anything solid, there might be a chance to expose something. But they are not. They are trivial, full of spin and obvious flailing.
Right now, she she's a victim and has the advantage. Soon, she will be the authority. Pray that the hoopla, glam, and glitter of this revival does not get to her and she sticks to the guns that we all love her for!
BTW, I LOVE BACON!
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Just laugh at him...
September 10, 2008 - 10:09 ET by Prester John...and take it all in good humor because BHO is showing himself to be a think skinned, pompous, know nothing. Every attack the Dems and MSM come up with be shriller and more ridiculous than the one before it. Even if the army of lawyers the Dems sent to Alaska find something no one but the Kool Aid drinkers will believe it. Those in flyover country who aren't already will become disgusted with BHO and his media helpers and will take it out on them on Election Day.
National Review On Line had a suggestion from someone that before each speaking engagement Sarah should say, "Just a second", then pull out her lipstick before beginning her speech--a not so subtle gesture that would be hilarious.
People made fun of Bush because he couldn't express his thoughts particularly well. In BHO's case he's stuttering and hemming and hawing because he doesn't have any thoughts.
What a disaster he would be as President.
Change?
September 10, 2008 - 10:20 ET by iveseenitallBarry says he is going to "change politics as usual". I suppose sending 30 lawyers to Alaska to find some dirt on Sarah is his idea of changing politics. The phony. I read a good comment today---it noted that we should overlook his "lipstick on a pig" remark, but if McCain had said "a monkey in a $2000 suit is still a monkey", the roof would have fallen on him. Hypocrites all.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
The Obama campaign obviously doesn't know what to do
September 10, 2008 - 10:11 ET by BlondeThey are thrashing around, wildly. They haven't a clue.
Nothing is working for them any more. People have wised up to the fact that hope is not a plan.
Obama is flopping around like a fish who got off the flying gaff (okay, I won't post that picture again, today)....he's enraged his base by finally admitting the surge has worked, now he's waffling on oil drilling, the Bush tax cuts, everything he was supposedly against. Is it possible to flip-flop an waffle at the same time? Yep, Obama's doing it.
The barbs and mud-slinging are helping, not hurting...the McCain/Palin ticket, that is. McCain is a tough old warhorse, and Sarah Palin has the heart of a warrior. I'm sure they find the Obama campaign's "barbs" ridiculous.
So...it's all good.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
When OB first came out
September 10, 2008 - 10:31 ET by doug1950When Obama first burst onto the scene I told several people he was "packaged" like some kind of new wind up toy from Mattel. Slick packaging, new suits, pull the string and it talks. The only thing missing is the blister packing. No substance or core values, lots of nicely delivered words but says nothing. "We have a plan" is not a plan. If it isn't scripted or rehearsed he is like a bumbling idiot. His delivery is shaky, disjointed and off message. Whenever, he or Biden try to go and adlib anything it comes off like a t**d in the punch bowl. Even the obligatory laughs they get are strained . (Have you ever noticed how really crappy liberals politicians are at humor?) The obama girl was part of the slick packaging, the two autobiographies from a man who has never done anything noteworthy. How narcissic is that? One has to wonder how much of it is pure fantasty and fiction. Sarah Palin is OBs worst nightmare. She is the real deal, what you see is what you get. She really doesn't need to be scripted because she says what she believes and what she thinks and that is why she connects with the American public. Only the most ardent OB supporters and kool aid swilling people can not see him for what he is. A phony, a farse, a caracature of the ideal Liberal politician.
So true, Doug
September 10, 2008 - 10:41 ET by BlondeThe smoke is dissipating, the mirrors are broken, and Obama has been unmasked as the fraud he is.
New politics? Ha. More of the same from Obama.
Now for the good part....whereas BP (before Palin) we got Obama 24/7, I am now watching McCain's whole speech...on MSNBC no less!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Maybe they do need to shake
September 10, 2008 - 23:15 ET by ladyrvtMaybe they do need to shake up their ticket and put Hills at the top, and Obama as puppet-Veep.
Then the fun would really start as O. has to debate Sarah. And I feel pretty certain that McCain could clean Hillary's clock.
B,
September 10, 2008 - 11:16 ET by Indiana JoeYeah, the Obamanauts have had it so easy for so long, they have no idea how to proceed now. There's a new "new kid in town," and she's stolen their thunder.
Very entertaining.
Btw, everything's good now. ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Now he's claiming it's "a made up controversy"
September 10, 2008 - 10:23 ET by Prester JohnSpeaking at a high school in Norfolk, Obama took a few moments to address what he calls "the made-up controversy" of the day, Amie Parnes reports.
Obama said the McCain campaign moved to "seize an innocent remark and take it out of context because they knew it's catnip for the news media."
"See, it would be funny, but the news media decided that would be the lead story yesterday. This happens every election cycle. Every four years, this is what we do. This is what they want to spend two of the last 55 days talking about...Enough!" he said.
Obama called the attacks "lies, outrage and swift boat politics."
"These are serious times and they call for a serious debate...spare me all the phony outrage. Spare me all the phony talk about change."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_knocks_press_on_madeup_controversy.html
The man and his advisors are so stupid they couldn't even figure out that he apologized the matter would be dropped. Somewhere in there is more material for another McCain ad or two. Keep 'em commin' Barry!!!
"Being Obama means never having to say you're sorry"
"do you believe me or ..."
September 10, 2008 - 10:48 ET by Ten7sAhhh, the old, "do you believe me or your lyin' eyes" defense, Obama's campaign is becoming absurd.
Spot on....Prester!!
September 10, 2008 - 11:02 ET by BEGRUNT"The man and his advisors are so stupid they couldn't even figure out that he apologized the matter would be dropped. Somewhere in there is more material for another McCain ad or two. Keep 'em commin' Barry!!!"
That is it exactly!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
"These are serious times
September 10, 2008 - 11:24 ET by Indiana Joe"These are serious times and they call for a serious debate...spare me all the phony outrage. Spare me all the phony talk about change."
Funny, that's what I've been saying about Obama for months!
The irony is hilarious! And completely lost on these lemmings in the MSM.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
COMMUNITY ORGANIZER
September 10, 2008 - 10:18 ET by ricklailYesterday there was a caller on Hannity that claimed to be a community organizer. Sean couldn't get a straight answer out of him before he hung up.
I am begining to believe that community organizer means Communist organizer. Saul Allinsky was the first community organizer in the Windy City. Here is an article on him from Independent TV.
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By the way, Darius Rucker of Hootie and the Blowfish fame has gone country. His new single, "Don't Think I Don't Think About It", is 5th on the charts. He has an album coming out on 9-16. So Kid Rock and Daruis Rucker on the country charts. What has happened to the music? Give me my Creedance, Grassroots, Guess Who-you know the good stuuf from the 60's and early 70's
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
Community Organizers Are Black
September 10, 2008 - 10:40 ET by Gothampcrick, obviously you didn't get the memo. All community organizers are black. Or so New York Governor Paterson believes.
http://wcbstv.com/politics/paterson.mccain.palin.2.813646.html
→ Gotham
September 10, 2008 - 10:43 ET by Cool ArrowHow would Governor Paterson know? He's blind.
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
I didn't see that
September 10, 2008 - 11:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberI didn't see that coming...
»→ Sorry Rog
September 10, 2008 - 23:43 ET by Cool ArrowJust pickin' low hangin' fruit
Rocky & Bullwinkle '08
Fear
September 10, 2008 - 11:14 ET by allanfThere is a certain air of desparation and fear in the media now.
If you run on Charisma, someone with more of it, can beat you
September 10, 2008 - 10:21 ET by JayTeePalin wins hands down in the Charisma, Profile, Pop Culture areas. Instant pop culture that a majority of Americans can relate to.
Attending Harvard is difficult for a Majority of Americans to recognize as "common" activity for an American. My son never went to Harvard, but he went to Alaska to work on fishing boats after getting out of the ARMY, my daughter has toured Alaska, my wife (obviously) has experienced raising kids and all that goes with it. No one in my family relates to BHO, or Obama's "change" as it is undefined and unknown. We also did not receive Musilim names or go to Musilim schools outside of the USA.
The reasons for Palin's popularity, the reasons for McCain's Image transformation, are not addressable by an inexperienced Harvard Graduate "do nothing" Senator.
He who lives by "Popularity" . . . gets whacked by the "More Popular".
If Obama releases a new "popular" number one song on the Hit charts, he might have a chance to regain the Popularity contest upon which he has ran his campaign.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
As long as Sarah doesn't
September 10, 2008 - 10:50 ET by Hero SquadAs long as Sarah doesn't lose her smile while she's beating the opposition down with logic and reason, she can't possibly lose.
Obama is now losing his cool when he tries to get tough. It doesn't look presidential in the slightest. That's going to turn off those independent/undecided voters who are going to be vital in this election.
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
"If you run on Charisma,
September 10, 2008 - 11:33 ET by celator"If you run on Charisma, someone with more of it, can beat you"
True. But Obama really runs on chimera, not charisma. This places Gov Palin's charisma center stage, with no competition from Obama. ;+}
"CHIMERA: an illusion or fabrication of the mind; especially : an unrealizable dream <a fancy, a chimera in my brain, troubles me in my prayer — John Donne>"
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
Oh yeah, it's way over
September 10, 2008 - 10:24 ET by SickofLibsThe massive Dem Delta Force/hitsquad has been slinking around Alaska for over a week now, and they've come with exactly zero in terms of stickable scandals.
I couldn't imagine a gaffe(s) that Palin could make that would turn the tide against her.
The MSM libs are making it worse everyday by not backing off, and now everyone is noticing. The fact that Obama has not requested them to cool it is the ultimate example of his faulty decision-making abilities.
Hillary has got to be just loving this. I sure am.
GMTA, SoL
September 10, 2008 - 11:27 ET by Indiana JoeHillary has to be licking her chops (and her wounds) over being the Dem-nom in '12. This plays right into her hands.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
SCANDAL: State airplane
September 10, 2008 - 13:19 ET by TruthMongerSCANDAL:
State airplane sold a little bit cheap - HA!!
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
»→ Upkeep
September 11, 2008 - 08:17 ET by Cool ArrowUpkeep since sale $0.00
The MSM women
September 10, 2008 - 10:24 ET by pocomocoThere is one fact to remember by those MSM women who think women incapable of running a country.
Over the centuries, women have been queens, czars, pharaohs, presidents, and prime ministers.
To the MSM women, this fact seems to have slipped their clueless minds as daily they ‘report’ that a woman, Sarah Palin, is unqualified to handle the job of VP.
We are, however, beginning to see cracks in the MSM sisterhood as some of them are having second thoughts - possibly because they’ve been reading some history books - a task that has been foreign to much of the MSM.
There are, of course, the feminazis who will never support Palin because she doesn’t fit their ‘victimhood’ template.
Too bad, because in the long run she could wind up being their best friend.
pocomoco:
September 10, 2008 - 10:34 ET by j. frank wilsonDo you read this site? Look at the blogs over the past few weeks. There is one Gov. Palin as victim post after another. The big, bad, sexist media is so very terribly unfair, questioning her about all manner of matters. Go back and review her record running for Mayor, when the local press was unfair and out to get here. This is the conservative stock in trade - the liberal media are never fair to true-blue American conservatives who stand up for their values.
Look at the completely made-up brouhaha over Sen. Obama's "lipstick" remark. With no evidence that he was referring to Gov. Palin, conservatives have a massive collective weggie over it. So what? Tell Gov. Palin to put on her big girl panties and get over it. National politics is for big kids.
Gov. Palin puts the "t" in the victimhood template.
Frank, frank, frank...
September 10, 2008 - 11:04 ET by UnsaneNational politics is for big kids. Which is reason enough for you not to post here and for both Obama and Biden to quit the race.
Sarah Palin the victim? How do you figure? Palin just keeps on doing what she is doing, and isn't spending a whole lot of time whining about the media, asking people to feel sorry for her. If anything people sympathize with her. She's out there doing her thing on the campaign trail, while the networks, blogs, newspapers and everyone on the Left throws as much s#!t on her as possible hoping and praying it sticks.
People, I suspect, are looking at that behavior and saying to themselves, "What has Sarah Palin done to deserve this?" And thus look at her as a sympathetic figure...this on top of other various reasons which sicken you and other Leftists and Socialists.
So, frank, that done with: I know you have portraits of Obama on every single wall in your dwelling, so let me ask you this: are they 8x10 or 11x16?
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Of course the other thing
September 10, 2008 - 11:09 ET by HermanoOf course the other thing Frank misses is that people on this site, in general, are suggesting she does not play the victim. After all, that would not be in line with the Hockey Mom, Pitt Bull image. There have been a couple that have suggested playing the victim card, but they have been few and far between.
The Newsbusters Comments Crew: Saving the Environment - One Ribeye at a Time! h/t Dr_Liberty
Along those lines... are
September 10, 2008 - 11:11 ET by Hero SquadAlong those lines... are there any quotes from Palin suggesting that she is attempting to play the victim in any way, shape or form?
If there are, I have not heard them.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Exactly it
September 10, 2008 - 11:26 ET by Unsane...and that's just it. I haven't heard a peep from her where she is playing the victim card the way Hillary Clinton (et al) have. Hence my comment to counter j. frank wilson's vapid propaganda.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Unsane:
September 10, 2008 - 12:14 ET by j. frank wilsonIf Gov. Palin's scheme to tax the "windfall" profits [please note: not production, as was the case in the past; she changed it to that dirty word "profit"] earned by oil companies, and distribute that money directly to the citizens of Alaska, isn't Socialism - what is it?
frank,
September 10, 2008 - 12:45 ET by larry on LIi didn't hear her refer to the renegotiated oil agreement as "windfall profits". please correct me if i am wrong.
larry on LI:
September 11, 2008 - 10:18 ET by j. frank wilsonI absolutely agree with you - I do not believe that Gov. Palin did.
However, that's precisely what the Alaskan Resource Recovery Fund is. I would not expect a self-described conservative Republican to use the term "windfall profits tax." After all, Sen. McCain (at least for now) is against that.
If you read the background information on the tax it's clear that's what it is.
For our resident Socialist
September 10, 2008 - 17:19 ET by UnsaneI'll ask Gov. Jay Hammond, who came up with the PFD in the first place.
I'll say it again, frank. If I wanted a PERFECT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (or a VP), I would run for office. And if I won, you would run screaming for Ontario, as Rightist as I am. In the meantime, you are really going to have to try a lot harder to convince me to vote for two Socialists will can and will STEAL from ANYONE who is "big" or "successful".
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Unsane:
September 10, 2008 - 18:27 ET by j. frank wilsonOnce again you bring up the "PDF" so it sounds like you really now what you're talking about. I'm so impressed with your detailed knowledge. Except - this is a distraction. Nobody else brought this up - why do you? The "PDF" is is not Gov. Palin's windfall profits tax. Her tax is on top of the PDF! Another 50% or so.
When Gov. Palin brags that she "took on the big oil companies" - this is what she's talking about. Not only did she stick her hand into their pockets, extract their profits, and dish them out to her voters. WE in the other 49 states help pay for this because those companies then deduct those payments before paying Federal taxes. What a wonderful deal for the rest of us!
You lie and call me a Socialist. You're faced with the fact that this is precisely what Gov. Palin did and you can't bring yourself to admit it.
I'm not trying to convince you vote for anybody. I'm asking you to either back your rap or shut up.
Silly, silly, silly
September 10, 2008 - 20:45 ET by UnsaneThat's PFD. Permanent Fund Dividend. I would run you through the details, but I won't, for I have much better things to do. But, as others here have, I have resided in AK for a time so I know about this. But it seems the whole concept of the PFD gets your panties in a bunch. Why, frank? Jealous?
It doesn't surprise me you would demand I shut up. That is ALL you do of Rightists. It surely must be easier that presenting actual IDEAS, right?
You are whining again, pathetically, about me calling you a Socialist. Why can't you just be proud of your views? You can call me a wingnut, a Rightist, or a conservative all day long and it doesn't bother me as all would be fairly accurate approximations of my views. Besides, why do I call you a Socialist? Well, perhaps because you slavishly back two of them in this campaign. Also, because you parrot them. Finally, you seem absolutely beside yourself with rage that there are people on this earth who simply don't agree with your views.
Whimper all you want about me calling you a Socialist. Would you rather I call you a common thief, in keeping with the tagline? Because that's my only other option.
Now please excuse me. I am on a quest to better myself and my position...I am not about to sit on the floor crying for some government Nanny to come save me as you and other Leftists would have us do. So if it takes some time to respond to a response...now you know why.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Unsane:
September 11, 2008 - 10:24 ET by j. frank wilsonThank you - PFD. Here's the concept you either can not grasp or admit: Gov. Palin's windfall profits tax is on top of that.
Simple enough for you? There are two sources of the good Governor's vote buying - the established PFD and the new ARRF.
Taxing corporate profits and distributing them directly to residents? Socialism. Can't admit that's what Gov. Palin supports? You are a moral coward.
You must be blind
September 11, 2008 - 22:11 ET by UnsaneRead this very very carefully: IF I WANTED THE PERFECT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, I WOULD RUN FOR OFFICE.
What's your point, frank? You are still a Socialist, as are those you so ache to put into office. Hence, I WILL NEVER SUPPORT OBAMA/BIDEN.
Me, the moral coward? Nope. In order for me to be one, I'd sit and home and whine and cry about how I have no one to vote for, instead of working actively (by voting at minimum) to prevent Obama/Biden from reaching the White House. In fact, I am taking full advantage of TX's early voting program to vote this year. Take that to heart.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Unsane:
September 12, 2008 - 10:25 ET by j. frank wilsonYou duck. You dodge. You stumble across the canvas, a punch drunk fighter with nothing left in the tank...
For you to even talk about running for President is beyond silly.
As for socialism - Alaska puts new meaning in the phrase "welfare state." Send $1 to Washington, DC. Get $2 back. Heckofa deal.
So you're going to vote? Wow - now I am impressed!
Meanwhile, the remaining adults in the room can have a conversation that's on topic. Such as - why did Gov. Palin push through the RRF on top of the PFD? Clearly you can't explain it. Like so many NB blowhards, you spend several paragraphs telling us you don't have time to tell us.
Or - Name-Thunker - why don't you ask your good buddy the x-Gov. to explain it to you?
Pathetic even for you, frank
September 14, 2008 - 21:52 ET by UnsaneA punch drunk fighter at least had something IN the tank at some point, unlike you, who never had anything to begin with. You only demonstrate to me, each and every time you post, how devoid of actual ideas you truly are. That must be a sad way to live.
Okay, I'll try a different angle. Tell me why I should vote for your Socialist heroes. As you do so, do not use any mention of any opponents. If there is any reference to them, you lose. Seems to me that your argument is "See! See! See! Palin is a Socialist so you have no choice but to vote for MY Socialists!" And that is a pathetically weak argument. That is why I'm not addressing it, on top of the reason listed in the next short paragraph.
I'll have to keep repeating myself until you get the point (you demonstrated that, though you read it, you missed it): If I Wanted The Perfect Presidential Candidate, I would run for office.
Why is it the biggest children on this board claim to be the adults?
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Changing the subject
September 11, 2008 - 08:12 ET by UnsaneOh. Almost forgot. I guess you can't answer my original query on how Sarah Palin is playing the "victim card". Because I don't see her playing it. Not surprising. I should have seen I won that point once you decided to change the subject.
Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief. Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.
Where have you been
September 10, 2008 - 11:28 ET by Dan The Man 2Where have you been Frankie, "the liberal media are never fair to true-blue American conservatives who stand up for their values” as this is basically the truth. To quote A Few Good Men – “The truth, you can’t handle the truth.” What is apparent to even the most casual observer is the MSM sycophants and the leftist sympathizers and Obama campaign are in panic mode. They see the light at the end of the tunnel and it turns out to be the McCain Palin express.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Talk to us when the media
September 10, 2008 - 23:28 ET by ladyrvtTalk to us when the media starts scrutinizing, rather than protecting, Obama's zero accomplishments in the Senate, his plans for suffocating tax increases to support a socialist agenda, his associations with racist mentors, and his consorting with the enemy.
That last one used to be called treason in this country, and was punishable by death. Now it's a LibDem strategy.
When does Gov. Palin
September 10, 2008 - 10:25 ET by j. frank wilsonactually become a candidate?
Last Sunday (September 6th) Senators Obama, Biden and McCain made the talk show circuit. Gov. Palin was no where to be found. When is her first press conference? What are the Republicans afraid of?
According to the McCain campaign, Gov. Palin needs to be shown "deference." Huh? Is she running for Vice President or Queen? Sen. McCain famously said this is Presidential politics - not beanbag. Where's the rough, tough hockey mom? When does she actually go out there and campaign and take the questions - as Sen. Obama has been doing for well over a year, as Joe Biden has done for many years, and as Sen. McCain has been doing for just about as long as Sen. Obama.
Gibson Interview
September 10, 2008 - 10:28 ET by GothampcI think the interview with Charlie Gibson is her first "unveiling".
So that will be another
September 10, 2008 - 10:54 ET by Hero SquadSo that will be another weak-kneed argument against Palin that's gets crushed and made utterly laughable.
This is almost becoming like the Harlem Globetrotters vs. the Washington Generals.
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j. frank
September 10, 2008 - 11:11 ET by kilrodMaybe this will help
http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm
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Kilrod - -I think J. Frank needs to watch Fox news, not NBC
September 10, 2008 - 12:06 ET by JayTeeJ. Frank is with the minority, watching the minority Media, and missing out on Palin's Wisconson, Ohio, Missouri Campaign speaking trips since the RNC last week.
MSNBC, News for the un-informed Liberal to become more out of touch with reality.
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Jay Tee:
September 10, 2008 - 12:25 ET by j. frank wilsonWhile the Faux Noise website is a great place to find more Palin campaign propaganda, seeing her on tv before adoring crowds doesn't tell us much about her. We saw at the convention she is a reasonably accomplished public speaker. Great.
How about an interview? How many of those has she conducted? How about a press conference? So far, we've seen her answer questions from the press Zero times.
How many debates were there between Senators Obama and Clinton? How many will there be between Sen. Biden and Gov. Palin - one? Wow! There's a real chance to see how she does.
When does the butterfly leave the Republican cocoon?
frank
September 10, 2008 - 12:50 ET by larry on LIyou might just be happy there is only one!
frank
September 10, 2008 - 12:51 ET by larry on LIyou might just be happy there is only one!
kilrod:
September 10, 2008 - 12:19 ET by j. frank wilsonDo honestly consider a campaign position paper to be the same as an interview or press conference or a debate against an opponent?
I guess I missed the part
September 10, 2008 - 13:00 ET by ckc1227I guess I missed the part where interviews and press conferences according to jfw's and the liberal media's timetable were requirements for nomination. It's probably found in the Constitution right next to the right to abortion.
Holding her back has nothing to do with being afraid, it's because it's a strategy that's working. This whole time the media and the Obama camp has been in self-destruct mode, and continues to undermine themselves, with zero help from our side. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Why interfere with that? Just because your side is beholden to the liberal msm doesn't mean everyone else has to be. The McCain camp said they'll run their campaign how they want, not how you want, and that drives you crazy, because, as a lib, you guys are only happy if you can tell everyone else how they have to run their own lives.
ckc, please
September 10, 2008 - 14:56 ET by HillbillyKingdon't waste your time explaining to frank what actually takes place in reality. Since you already know that his "reality" is made up of Democrat talkin points and opinon manufactured by the MSM, why attempt to dissuade him from his "blissful" existence with facts? Ckc, that's just plain mean! :-}
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ckc1227:
September 11, 2008 - 10:33 ET by j. frank wilsonActually, you can find it in the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers thought it so important they made it the First Amendment.
Does that include the
September 11, 2008 - 12:29 ET by HermanoDoes that include the freedom not to speak as well? It is fortunate that the Founders did not give specific powers to the media to force someone to talk to them.
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Hermano:
September 11, 2008 - 16:42 ET by j. frank wilsonThat's obviously a silly question. My statement was Gov. Palin is not ready for prime time. Her Republican handlers are scared to death and keeping her under wraps at all costs. The rough, tough hockey mom apparently can't do an interview or a press conference. She's just not ready.
I think it's silly to ask people to vote for a completely unknown candidate. She has gone through none of the primary process. She's untested in the campaign. Apparently for many people the fact that she can gun down a runaway moose on Pennsylvania Avenue is sufficient reason to vote for her. Not for me.
j. frank... Just a quick
September 11, 2008 - 16:48 ET by Clear thinkerj. frank...
Just a quick question. How the hell do you know that Sarah Palin is not ready for prime time? Do you have some sort of crystal ball?
Al Gore vs Gov. Palin and 9-11
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Clear thinker:
September 11, 2008 - 19:26 ET by j. frank wilsonThe Republican party bosses told us all by their actions. Keeping Gov. Palin performing before tame crowds. Eventually they are going to have to take the training wheels off her bike - then we'll all see.
Meanwhile, is she still telling that Bridge to Nowhere lie?
j. frank... Well, the
September 11, 2008 - 22:23 ET by Clear thinkerj. frank...
Well, the training wheels came off for the Gibson interview and she did exceptionally well. What's your excuse now?
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Clear thinker:
September 12, 2008 - 10:32 ET by j. frank wilsonYou honestly think Gov. Palin did "exceptionally well?"
Wow!
Apparently PDS is far more rampant than we'd previously thought...
Don't worry J. Frank, the
September 11, 2008 - 22:27 ET by Free StinkerDon't worry J. Frank,
the VP debate is October 2nd. Of course, it reamins to be seen if teh Democrats don't replace Joe Biden before then, or wait until after he gets verbally beaten up by a girl.
Yeah, Frank
September 11, 2008 - 22:33 ET by Cool ArrowWe need a VP who possesses all the confidence of Joe (Hillary would've been a better choice) Biden.
Your side doesn't even have wheels, much less, training wheels.
"that was the trip of a lifetime to visit our troops in Kuwait and stop and visit our injured soldiers in Germany" - Sarah Palin
Wilson...You ain't seen
September 11, 2008 - 16:50 ET by bigtimerWilson...
You ain't seen nothing yet...and once again you re going to be eating your own words...she isn't afraid of the silly little self-important talking head leftist twits...she has already given an interview to Harry Smith I think it is, or is tonight...something like that...besides that...she will be able to handle the press better than Dana Perino in my opinion...and that is saying a lot.
...be careful what you wish for frankie.
<eidt>...just heard it is Charlie Gibson and she has already done the interview...yeah, bet she was shaking in her shoes.
Of course the msm will attempt to tear it apart...which I say, go for it...it is nothing but help for our side of the aisle.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Wait & learn, Frank
September 11, 2008 - 17:02 ET by BlondeThe dimwits are just frantic because they can't control the republican message, nor the timing, nor anything, actually.
Keep on thrashing with those talking points, though, it's cute.
P.S. Sarah's going to gun down the MsM twits as an appetizer, before Joe Biden. Bet on it.
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For crying out loud, Frank.
September 11, 2008 - 22:29 ET by HermanoFor crying out loud, Frank. You have known for three days (or more) now that Palin would be interviewing with Gibson, yet you continue to say "She has not even given an interview with the press." And you have said this at least five times a day for that period. Well, you have to come up with a real excuse, now. I know that adeptness with firearms is not your thing, but she d