For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: U.S. army deserter deported from Canada.
Jeremy Hinzman said Wednesday he was ordered out of the country by September 23 by Canada's Border Services Agency. Hinzman deserted the U.S. Army in 2004 after learning his unit was to be deployed to Iraq. He refused to participate in what he calls an immoral and illegal war.
Thoughts?
Comments Policy
Hang em high. I don't
August 14, 2008 - 09:22 ET by Dan The Man 2Hang em high. I don't have any empathy for this deserter as he joined teh military willingly of his free will and now he doesn't wanty to fufill his obligation. We should make an example of him and punish him to the fullest extent.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
No doubt
August 14, 2008 - 09:31 ET by mooreusmcI am sure this child joined after 9/11/01, as I did, did he think that he joined the military to help with a bake sale?
I Thank You
August 14, 2008 - 09:51 ET by MeanderingI saw your post and unlike the deserter, I thank you for your service to keep our nation safe from terror! You have my upmost respect!
Send him to Iraq as a private citizen
August 14, 2008 - 11:12 ET by SouthJersey1953He deserves nothing.
Revoke his citizenship and send him to Iraq as a private citizen.
it's about time
August 14, 2008 - 09:22 ET by Ken ShepherdI applaud the Harper/Conservative government in Canada for enforcing the law.
Dishonorable
August 14, 2008 - 09:22 ET by River CityGive the guy a dishonorable discharge. This means he loses ALL his veterans benefits. Ban him from obtaining any type of federal job or contract. Then tell him he can apply for legal immigration to the country of his choosing.
Russia is looking for some mercenaries. Oh, I forgot. This guy is a coward.
"Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind." Ayn Rand
I'm working my 12th
August 14, 2008 - 11:06 ET by BruzillaI'm working my 12th government contractor job and I've never been asked what sort of discharge I have. These days discharges are like High School diplomas... most employers don't ask for them anymore or never bother to verify them.
DD Form 214
August 14, 2008 - 11:39 ET by CobraManThey never requested a copy of your DD Form 214?
In Addendum: Do you think the reason that employers don't verify a DD Form 214 because they believe that a vet is an honest person as almost ALL of use abided with our agreement and actually completed our enlistment requirements and, therefore, they shouldn't NEED to verify anything? I do.
It’s too bad for us vets that people like this deserter is ruining our good standing in the public, especially in the employment sector.
Being employed by the
August 14, 2008 - 11:41 ET by bassndudeBeing employed by the goverment, I had to provide a copy of ALL of my DD-214's. While I worked as an iron worker, on several goverment projects, the contractors application asked for the type of discharge. Lie about that and you are fired.
I will not hire anyone with less than an honorable or a medical discharge.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
How many do you have?
August 14, 2008 - 12:00 ET by CobraMan"Being employed by the goverment, I had to provide a copy of ALL of my DD-214's."
How many times did you serve? Once is good enough for me and anything beyond that is, well, HEROIC in my eyes.
I only have one DD Form 214, but I do know people who reenlisted long after their original enlistment was over. I even attended Basic with a 32 year old who originally served in Vietnam, apparently he had to attend Basic as he served in a different branch (he previously was a “squiddie" as I affectionately referred to him), and I always thought of him as a prefect example of Honor, Duty, Sacrifice, and Commitment. So, here's to your heroism and dedication to our Constitution, the government which enforces it, and the people it protects. Thank you, again and again!
I got a DD-214 each time I
August 14, 2008 - 12:17 ET by bassndudeI got a DD-214 each time I reenlisted. The final DD-214 includes all the dates and final rank. But it only lists you last overseas duty station, (Germany). It lists the Vietnam service medals and such, but you have to go back to get to the last overseas tour get to the Vietnam 214's. So I had to provide all of them.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
I never knew that
August 14, 2008 - 12:27 ET by CobraMan"I got a DD-214 each time I reenlisted."
I never knew that. I've always assumed (that‘s strange, I suddenly remember The Odd Couple) that you're get just one DD 214 when your final enlistment was over. But, then again, multiple DD 214's shouldn’t surprise me as each “reenlistment” IS a new enlistment. So, thank you once again.
Whack the deserter
August 14, 2008 - 19:23 ET by UnsaneI have an active duty DD-214, and, when I got back from my deployment, the Reserves had me update the one I will eventually receive from them at some point. So I'll have two; there are people who do interservice transfers and such that have more than that, even.
As for the deserter: let's shoot him.
The Olympics are now under way in Beijing. May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner. May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies! USA! USA!! USA!!!
Depends
August 14, 2008 - 13:25 ET by HumblepieI only have one DD214 after twenty-one years of service. I always reenlisted before my due date. At one time you reenlisted and it became effective the day after your original separation date. In theory it provided one day of break between enlistments.
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
DD214
August 14, 2008 - 13:06 ET by River CityI have two DD-214s. One from my enlisted time and the other from my commissioned time.
Aren't there provisions in the student loan guarantees from the feds that you have to have better than a dishonorable to get a federally guaranteed loan? Seems we could add that punishment too.
Any type of sanction that limits his options and opportunities is cool with me.
"Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind." Ayn Rand
River City, desertion in a
August 14, 2008 - 11:50 ET by bassndudeRiver City, desertion in a time of war can recive the death penalty. For my money, I'll buy the rope.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Good News
August 14, 2008 - 13:01 ET by River CityBass that is good news but I don't think we can expect it. Remember, the dems don't think we are at war.
"Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind." Ayn Rand
The dems will not be the
August 14, 2008 - 14:26 ET by bassndudeThe dems will not be the ones to court martial his cowardly little butt. The US military will convine his court martial. Was it me and he was found guilty, I would give him a dishonorable discharge, forfeit all pay and allowances and give him at least 5 years in Kansas.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
This guy is a coward. I
August 14, 2008 - 15:07 ET by JasonCThis guy is a coward.
I will gladly concede that many, if not the majority, of those who have claimed conscientious objection have done so disingenuously, out of fear or cowardice. And clearly, this man was foolish to join a volunteer military if he was going to react in such a way to deployment in an immoral war.
However: To suggest that making such choices based on morality always and automatically indicates cowardice is to logically and conversely suggest that courageous men automatically lack moral conviction.
And surely this is not the case.
"Issue-driven politics in red-and-blue America is like a man whose
appetite for steak is greatly enhanced by his contempt for vegetarians."
Jason, I have known some
August 14, 2008 - 15:56 ET by bassndudeJason, I have known some conscientious objectors while in the Army. A few I knew met in Vietnam. Most were medics, some were supply. I know of a few that were medics with field units and these men were not cowards. As a matter of fact, some of the stories I have heard, I wonder if they were afraid of anything!
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Let the Law
August 14, 2008 - 09:28 ET by kilrodLet the law take it's course, he should be arrested and tried and if guilty face the consequences.
kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
the law that would be
August 14, 2008 - 09:36 ET by TruthMongerthe law
that would be nice
still no consequences for our treasonous DNC/MSM defenders of Russia/China/Hussein/Cuba/North Korea/yadayadayada...
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
He should simply be tried
August 14, 2008 - 09:51 ET by BDHe should simply be tried for dissertion. If convicted I would sentence him to be dishonorably discharged, have his citizenship revoked, and deported.
Unfortunately, the next time we have a democrat in the White House, they will simply reward such behaviour with a full pardon ala Jimmy Carter in the 70's when he pardoned the Vietnam Era deserters.
That is because liberals see no value in fulfilling obligations.
have his citizenship revoked
August 14, 2008 - 09:58 ET by Dan The Man 2have his citizenship revoked - can they do that?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Citizenship can be revoked.
August 14, 2008 - 12:17 ET by BDCitizenship can be revoked.
Upon further reflection,
August 14, 2008 - 17:42 ET by BDUpon further reflection, possibly the best result of this miscreants actions would be a modern day emulation of the great short story by Edward Everett Hale in his work "The Man Without a Country" in which a US Army Officer named Phillip Nolan curses his country during a Court martial with the words "I wish that I shall never hear of the United States of America Again."
In Hale's telling of the story, Nolan is then put on a US warship with the orders to the commander to never mention the USA to him, nor let any of the crew pass on information to him nor allow civilians to inform him of his homelands fate.
For 40 years Nolan sails on various US ships, passed from vessel to vessel at sea as each is headed back to the homeport so that he never makes it home.
At the end, Nolan dies an anguished man witnessing the US flag gaining stars but never understanding which states have been added to the Union, who in the end regrets the folly of his ways.
If none of you have ever read it, it was written in 1863 at the height of the Civil War, and the phraseology takes getting used to, but I recommend it highly.
Could we put Hinzman on a frigate with similar orders? It would be most fitting.
Agreed...I hope he's
August 14, 2008 - 09:31 ET by TheConservativeChemistAgreed...I hope he's shitting his pants thinking what's gonna happen to him.
Sadly, our neutered government probably won't do anything beyond jailing him for a few years...so ineffective they've become. If we had prosecuted for treason and desertion during the Vietnam War and sent a message that this won't be tolerated, we probably wouldn't have quite the mess we do today...
Immoral and Illegal?
August 14, 2008 - 09:32 ET by mattmIsn't leaving your comrades in arms an immoral act? Isn't desertion illegal?
What a hypocrite!
McCain VP Choice
August 14, 2008 - 09:33 ET by GothampcThe VP names associated with John McCain are not acceptable. Doesn't he know any conservatives? With a Democratic Congress, he needs a VP that will pull to the right.
Maybe
August 14, 2008 - 09:52 ET by kilrodMaybe this deserter would be a good choice for o-Dumb-uh for vp!!
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
Maybe
August 14, 2008 - 09:56 ET by kilrodSorry, i have no clue how this posted twice. kilrod; Maybe this deserter would be a good choice for o-Dumb-uh for vp!!
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
I am beginning to think
August 14, 2008 - 10:08 ET by mattmI am beginning to think that the McCain camp believes that they can count on the conservatives to hold their noses and vote McCain to avoid the disaster of an Obama administration, and that by going 'moderate' he'll be able to grab a significant portion of Democrat voters.
They may be right about that, but what a sad commentary on the state of things, especially when the conservative ideology is a winning message when it's articulated well and adhered to.
I look at McCain's candidacy as a wasted opportunity. If he picks turncoat Pawlenty (light rail, Twins stadium, smoking ban, cigarette 'fee', ethanol mandates, etc...), I'll be voting Libertarian...
Other Choices
August 14, 2008 - 10:27 ET by GothampcIf he picks Lieberman, I'm quitting the Republican Party. Nothing against Lieberman, but he's already had a shot at the VP slot.
I came to that conclusion
August 14, 2008 - 11:08 ET by BruzillaI came to that conclusion the second I heard Bob Barr was going to be the Libertarian nominee. There's no way I could ever vote for a sleazebag like McCain.
I go to McCain's
August 14, 2008 - 10:45 ET by OldSailor88I go to McCain's website every day and contact them by email to tell them that if Sarah Palin is not his VP nominee, he will not get my vote.
Don't know if it does any good, but it sure makes me feel better.
Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis
Odds are stongly against it...
August 14, 2008 - 10:54 ET by sarcasmoShe's not even an option according to the friendly overseas bookies. It's lookin' like Romney.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
I can live with Romney, just
August 15, 2008 - 04:10 ET by USA4freedomI can live with Romney, just to P/O the WaPo they should put Allen (from VA.) up
If Libermann is the pick that is the last straw for me.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
I think he'll eventually pick Romney
August 15, 2008 - 05:11 ET by sarcasmoNotice how we've seen a few "I might just pick a pro choice VP" trial balloons from the McCain camp that we'd have never seen while the primaries were going on? This is designed to make social conservatives thankful instead of bitchy once he picks a pro-life flip-flopper, and that pretty well describes Mitt.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Mitt does a 720
August 15, 2008 - 05:44 ET by Cool ArrowI'm thinking it would be a new political record if Mitt could manage a pro choice > pro life > pro choice > pro life flip flop.
All he has to do is flop one more time, and that could easily happen if he runs for President in 4 years.
Now to the Pummel Horse competition.
I ♣ my seal
Assign him to Walter Reed...
August 14, 2008 - 09:35 ET by Prester John....so he can see the soldiers (I won't say fellow soldiers) he abandoned.
Kansas is pretty this time of the year
August 14, 2008 - 09:37 ET by RousseUnfortunately, Fort Levenworth is not as pretty. I bet there's nary a single sunflower painted anywhere inside.
KEEP HIM!
August 14, 2008 - 09:40 ET by lareeNo Thanks Canada, you can't stay out of your neighor's business, try and turn it into your politics, now you get to keep your trophy:)
Return all salary and
August 14, 2008 - 09:59 ET by SickofLibsReturn all salary and signing bonuses.
Then off to a cage for three years!
Welcome home, traitor. heh
August 14, 2008 - 10:00 ET by wiwfWelcome home, traitor. heh heh heh
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
You volunteered
August 14, 2008 - 10:20 ET by CobraManJeremy Hinzman,
You volunteered yourself as a soldier when you joined the military,
You volunteered yourself as a deserter when you ran away from combat duty,
You volunteered yourself as a illegal immigrant in Canada when you went into hiding,
and
You volunteered yourself as a protester when you proudly told everyone what you did,
but now
You’re going to get volunteered out of Canada as you don’t belong there,
You’re going to get volunteered into an American courtroom as you broke the law,
You’re going to get volunteered into a jail cell as that’s the punishment our lawbreakers usually receive,
and, someday soon,
You’re going to get volunteered into obscurity as a society rarely remembers the cowards.
I hope it was all worth it.
So...?
August 14, 2008 - 10:19 ET by connorinSo...we have to get his approval before we can order him to do anything? Did he understand what was involved when he enlisted?
Sissy
August 14, 2008 - 10:40 ET by Kirk TurnerSissy
I'll bet Cindy Sheehan has
August 14, 2008 - 10:53 ET by Eileen RightI'll bet Cindy Sheehan has already contacted the coward, As a victim of Bush's illegal war he can advise her on military affairs during her quest to de-throne pelosi.
BTW: I remember the first Gulf War when a bunch of volunteers said things like "I didn't sign up to fight, I joined for college money, this is unfair, wa, wa, wa, mommy ..."
Disgusting!!!
And now, today's
August 14, 2008 - 11:09 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Phelpicized Shrub Report®:
On this date, in 1281, a "Divine Wind" destroyed a Mongol fleet that was about to invade Japan.
It is inconceivable that China would be cheating!
The Worst Speaker of the House Ever now speaks for the US Senate AND the DNC. What an amazing woman!
Only the AP would find a drop in unemployment claim to be bad news.
He's your huckleberry, and today is his birthday.
A Canadian of indiscriminate ethnic origin and religious affiliation accidentally died while preparing a harmless cyanide cocktail. But he wasn't a terrorist. Why? Because he was a Muslim!
Today's Religion of Peace Update.
A giant victory for Democracy in Ohio!
Well, whoever had Tom Daschle in the Obama VP Poll just lost.
Obama artwork revealed!
This Holiday Season, get your tween a special pair of panties…
This one's for you, Blondie. Your boy turns 21 today!
And, finally, the rest of the Olympics are cancelled!
Thanks, Shrubster.
August 14, 2008 - 11:35 ET by BlondeTimmy rocks. I wonder if he'll repeat his Heisman, hmmmm. Odds?
I've been enjoying the Olympics...but the entire equestrian spectrum of events is almost over, with nary a mention.
Anyone else annoyed at the lack of coverage of their favorite sports? I'm over gymnastics already.
<edit> And that pic on the left of your Daschle link is hillarious...run, Cindy, run!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I think Tebow will have a
August 14, 2008 - 11:48 ET by Roger the ShrubberI think Tebow will have a studly year. If he doesn't blow out his knee. I hear that is running rampant in Gainesville these days :)
As for the Olympics, I turned it off last night because they were so pathetic in their coverage. Instead of garbage fluff crap about certain athletes, they should be showing extensive prime-time coverage to ALL the events the USA is participating in, not relyign on one of their satellite channels to show those events in non=-peak hours. Very disappointing, but, then again, when DOESN'T NBC Sports NOT disappoint?
Blown Out Knees
August 14, 2008 - 12:02 ET by BlondeNot fun.
You're not kidding about torn ACL's running rampant in G'ville. Sheesh.
Agreed, the Olympic coverage has been abysmal.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Obviously the work of those
August 14, 2008 - 13:30 ET by Roger the ShrubberObviously the work of those bastards in Tallahassee...
Well, Rog...those Twits in Tally
August 14, 2008 - 22:14 ET by BlondeCan't keep my Gators down for long.....
Ryan Lochte just won a gold medal!
Go Gators!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Investigative reporting when it's important.
August 14, 2008 - 11:17 ET by ThisnThatOlympic gymnists are under 16 years old, according to this. Note that a reporter was able to extract a copy of a Chinese web page story backing the under-age of its athletes.
Yet, we can't get any of our news reporters to pick up on the Edwards story. I guess the olympic story is much, much more important.
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
If you want your flabber to
August 14, 2008 - 11:30 ET by Jack BauerIf you want your flabber to be totally gasted man, you have to read this breakdown of Barack Oblarneys ignorant and bordering on insane "energy" plans.
I thought he was an unreconstructed old Bully State socialist. I was wrong. This man is an out and out state kontrol Leninist.
Read and be afraid. This is truly worrying stuff.
Not only is Borgnine proud
August 14, 2008 - 11:50 ET by balboaNot only is Borgnine proud to be an American, he also shared with Fox News the secret to aging well:
"I masturbate a lot."
OK then
August 14, 2008 - 12:52 ET by Hero SquadA friend of mine just wrapped up directing a movie with Borgnine ("Another Harvest Moon"), and I was amazed to see that at that age, good ol' "Cabbie" was as vibrant as he was.
OK, now I guess I know why.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Some people eat lots of
August 14, 2008 - 13:00 ET by balboaSome people eat lots of fruit. Some people drink a glass of wine every day. And some people...well...
Well, you managed to
August 14, 2008 - 13:28 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, you managed to replace the image of a teddy-clad Helen Thomas pudding-wrestling Rosie O'Donnell as the least appealing mental image I could ever come with with...
Roger, and I think you've
August 14, 2008 - 13:32 ET by MassConservRoger, and I think you've just invented a new weight loss regimen.
On the plus side, my
August 14, 2008 - 13:35 ET by Hero SquadOn the plus side, my grandmother is also 91, and nowhere near as lucid or lively as Borgnine.
Um, thank the Lord?
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
I guess there was a lot
August 14, 2008 - 14:22 ET by balboaI guess there was a lot more going on on Wagon Train than first thought...
Yes, bal
August 14, 2008 - 21:45 ET by Cool ArrowThe cook was nicknamed "Wishbone" for a number of reasons.
I ♣ my seal
Damn Rog!
August 14, 2008 - 21:33 ET by Rukus"Well, you managed to replace the image of a teddy-clad Helen Thomas
pudding-wrestling Rosie O'Donnell as the least appealing mental image I
could ever come with with..."
Urp, uh, urp, if you could come up, urp, with that image, uh, uurrrrrp! you need help! Urp! Excuse me!...
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Some people eat lots of fruit. Some people drink a glass of wine
August 15, 2008 - 20:57 ET by R D HelmSome people eat lots of fruit. Some people drink a glass of wine every day. And some people...well...
...fire off the ol' Surgeon General. :-^)
LOL-Just thought I'd finish your thought for ya.
-Dave.
I'll probably live forever
August 14, 2008 - 13:42 ET by ckc1227I'll probably live forever then.
Oh no he di INT!!!
:)
Nah... can't believe that.
August 14, 2008 - 19:31 ET by Jack BauerNah... can't believe that. Pull the other one bal.
Pull what...?
August 14, 2008 - 19:41 ET by balboaPull what...?
Another Question: Where
August 14, 2008 - 12:02 ET by mattmAnother Question:
Where are the protesters decrying Russia's aggression in the free state of Georgia?
Funny how the Lefties always side with the aggressors, yet they protest against the defenders, i.e. America.
BTW - никакая война для нефти(масла)
= "no war for oil" in Russian...
Now we know why putin/ puppets hates missles in Poland.
August 14, 2008 - 13:37 ET by upcountrywaterGORI, Georgia (AP) - Russia's foreign
minister declared Thursday that the world "can forget about" Georgia's
territorial integrity, and officials said Russia targeted military
infrastructure and equipment—including radars and patrol boats at a Black Sea naval base and oil hub.
I'm wondering what Armenia, and Azerbaijan are thinking now..
Their wish list should contain this: BLU-108/B Submunition
Russia just wants to build a highway right to their buddies the iranians.
Liberals62%
IranianUranium
Gori
August 14, 2008 - 19:30 ET by UnsaneYou DO know who was born near Gori, don't you???
The Olympics are now under way in Beijing. May the people of Beijing get thoroughly sick of hearing The Star Spangled Banner. May the Beijing Olympic Committee run out of U.S. flags for the medal ceremonies! USA! USA!! USA!!!
Unsane, I hate
August 15, 2008 - 04:05 ET by upcountrywaterthis guy
Unless some Collateral damage whacked him.
Liberals62%
IranianUranium
I don't want him here ever!
August 14, 2008 - 12:02 ET by jgarciaJeremy is the product of Dem's and Left side Looney’s and he should never be allowed back into this country PERIOD. He is the product of the "me's"........ and we as a country owe him NOTHING! My son signed up for the Marines during war time...... He had to wait extra few months to get into his unit because some many young people where ahead of him.......... So, there are those out there who understand the value of their country, unlike this Jeremy and others who think like him! It is too bad that my son and his fellow soldiers have to defend the rights of people like Jeremy with their blood... it just makes me mad as hell............
Playing soldier
August 14, 2008 - 12:52 ET by ArtisteApparently this kid signed up thinking he was just going to "play" at being a soldier. And who gave him the impression that as one he could decide which wars were moral or not? Such naivety is mindboggling. Now he can stew over that while playing soap boy in prison. Nice choice there guy.
Please Please Please
August 14, 2008 - 14:58 ET by ricklailWill you folks at Newsbusters do me a big favor and stop putting Helen Thomas's picture in the headlines? I have enough nighmares about Obama being president and the Dems running Congress with a veto proof majority.
Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.
Fair Weather Federalists
August 14, 2008 - 17:24 ET by sarcasmoThis should infuriate the usual suspects, if only because of the excellent Justice Thomas quote from his brilliant dissent at the end.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Mall of Taliban
August 14, 2008 - 20:00 ET by shawn228So an attractive girl goes into a Mall in Kentucky and is wearing a miniskirt, a mall security guy drunk on power and a morals police type of guy goes up to this girl, checks her out up and down and says that he has received complaints that women's husbands are looking at her and tells her to leave the mall.
I can understand if her buttocks or privates are showing, but they were not and she bought the dress at the same mall just a few days prior. Yeesh. Here is the article that also shows a picture of the girl wearing the skirt.
Real life video games are cool
shawn
August 14, 2008 - 20:08 ET by BlondeShe needs to sue the fat a** broads whose husbands were gawking....jeez, that's a crazy story.
The dress was cute, and age appropriate, IMO.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde :-)
August 14, 2008 - 20:12 ET by shawn228100 percent agree, lots of jealous and prudish people in this country.
Real life video games are cool
Amazing.
August 14, 2008 - 20:46 ET by Roger the ShrubberAmazing.
He is a strange looking
August 15, 2008 - 04:12 ET by USA4freedomHe is a strange looking little turd. I would not want him in my fox hole!
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
?????
August 15, 2008 - 08:40 ET by shawn228Huh
Real life video games are cool
Shawn, I have 2
August 15, 2008 - 07:58 ET by Dan The Man 2Shawn, I have 2 questions? Does the mall have the right to refuse service to anyone they deem? And, is the girls skirt a bit short?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan
August 15, 2008 - 08:01 ET by Cool ArrowThat same mall sold her the dress.
It's not as though it doesn't fit her, and it's not lingerie.
I ♣ my seal
Dan
August 15, 2008 - 08:38 ET by shawn228The answer to your question is, yes the mall and most places in America have the right to refuse service to anyone they deem.
I am just saying that it is astonishing the reason she was kicked out. The skirt was not exposing her privates and telling someone the reason she is getting kicked out is because other womens husbands are looking at her is ridiculus.
Real life video games are cool
The story had no comments
August 15, 2008 - 08:49 ET by Dan The Man 2The story had no comments from the guard or mall, so I am skeptical that is all there is to this story. The girl looks like a tease to me.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan
August 15, 2008 - 08:56 ET by shawn228Once again you have a point, there are always two sides to every story.
however, you can't judge a book by its cover and all I see is a attractive girl and cannot tell if she is a tease.
The fact that the mall is not returning phone calls or issuing a statement, I am assuming the story is true.
Just like I really hate it when liberals tell me me what foods I can eat and what words i'm allowed to say, I hate it when morals police try to crack down on what they deem indecent.
If what she says is true Dan, do you agree with her or the mall?
Real life video games are cool
I think teh dress is a bit
August 15, 2008 - 09:1