For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Obama shifting his position on drilling?
U.S. Sen. Barack Obama said today he would be willing to open Florida's coast for more oil drilling if it meant winning approval for broad energy changes. "My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post. "If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage - I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done," Obama said.
Is this a smart move given the current price of oil and gas, or another shameless flip-flop from a guy that really doesn't stand for anything but "change" anyway?
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It's clearly a smart move on his part.
August 2, 2008 - 09:30 ET by sarcasmoMcCain moved to the left of his own party on various issues in the past, but he still managed to win when Romney dropped out early. I think Obama knew, once Democrat primaries were over, that he'd have to move to the right in order to credibly run against "a maverick." Drilling was an ideal issue for a well timed flip flop.
JMR
PS I still think this guy makes a great point about Merrill.
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
This is just great!
August 2, 2008 - 09:33 ET by needleSo now the government – include its putative new President Barack Hussein (with a name like Hussein, I gotta be an oil expert) Obama, and, o yeah, maybe brain trust Biff McCain can pitch in too – is going instruct the petroleum industry where and how to find more oil. Not too much, mind you, but at least some.
Keep in mind just how incandescently asinine this is, when the Democrats start talking about their government managed healthcare.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
NO NO!! He hasn't
August 2, 2008 - 14:06 ET by motherbeltNO NO!! He hasn't "flip-flopped" on drilling!!
He just "reworded" and "clarified" his earlier position!
Because his first articulation of his position was "inartful" and "poorly worded."
Obama's theme song
Lol mb.... ...he was
August 2, 2008 - 14:13 ET by bigtimerLol mb....
...he was recalibrating again...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
NBers
August 2, 2008 - 09:33 ET by Noel SheppardNBers,
What do you use for internet security. I'm SICK of Norton! Some have talked about AVG in the past. Do you go for the free one, or the full-service product? I've also heard good things about Zone Alarm.
Please share maker AND product name, as a lot of these companies have different offerings. Thanks in advance. ns
CA Internet Security Suite.
August 2, 2008 - 09:39 ET by Jack BauerCA Internet Security Suite. Never had any probs over past 3 years.
i agee ca s.s.
August 2, 2008 - 10:38 ET by larry on LIno problems
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August 2, 2008 - 09:45 ET by botgi had AVG on a free trial it worked great, but had trouble getting the billing done for the paid version (their accounting dept)
i now have Bit-Defender i've also heard good stuff about Karpersky (sp?)
i always go paid, hey for a little money i like knowing i have the extra protection. Having internet access is essential.
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
Noel
August 2, 2008 - 09:59 ET by acumenNoel,
I understand your sickness of Norton. I suffered the same affliction a year ago and took AVG and then Bit Defender for a test spin and have finally settled in with Trend Micro.
All of my choices had been via recommendations from others.
I had been quite happy with AVG but had a hassle with their outsourced tech support when I tried to upgrade from the free trial version to a fee-based version so I moved on to Bit Defender.
I was equally happy with Bit Defender until I read the results of a recent scan. Three trojan viruses were detected but Bit Defender stated they could not remove/quarantine one of the viruses (I believe because it was embedded in an archived file).
I then called my very computer savvy son-in-law techy who recommended running a program from Trend Micro called Housecall. HouseCall found the virus Bit Defender was unable to automatically remove. HouseCall was able to remove the virus without my having to manually search for the infected archive file as Bit Defender had offered as the only solution.
I was very impressed with HouseCall so out of gratitude/loyalty I am now using Micro Trend. My Operating system is way faster than when using Norton (as was the case with the other anti-virus software I mentioned previously) and so far I have been virus free and pleased with Micro Trend's service. In all fairness I have only been using this new software for a short while but so far so good.
Good luck,
Hugh
Hugh,
August 2, 2008 - 10:31 ET by Indiana JoeI have Trend Micro also. And I got it on recommendation. About the only problem I would point to is that a full scan takes about 3 hours on my machine. But I just schedule those for down-time, and it's no problem.
I should point out that I'm using an ancient machine (about 5 years old?) with a lot of junk on the HD. 80 GB is almost full, which I was told would NEVER happen, lol. Been planning on getting a new one when finances permit.
Joe
Trend Mico Aces
August 2, 2008 - 17:09 ET by HumblepieWould always spend the money and update my Defender Pro. It worked wonderful for years. Lately it would tell me about virus's found but couldn't isolate and delete them. This year switched to Trend Micro and love it. It will go after any and all no matter where they are. Just like Indiana above, I've found it does take a little time for complete scans. But, you can schedule your scan times and select types of scan (full, partial, etc). With automatic daily updates and a teachable "spam" email program, you have more leeway/control over it.
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
Also use Trend Micro here
August 2, 2008 - 17:34 ET by celatorAlso use Trend Micro here and it works very well for me. Norton's was a nightmare program which seemed to embed itself in all sorts of odd places on my system, and often just plain gummed up the computer. I used to have CA and it worked fine also, but I am very happy with TM, so I stick with it.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
Hugh
August 2, 2008 - 10:44 ET by botgI had been quite happy with AVG but had a hassle with their outsourced tech support when I tried to upgrade from the free trial version to a fee-based version so I moved on to Bit Defender.
that's my exact story (see above) but i've purchased BitDefender and have a quaratined virus with no ill affects. I too liked the AVG but they didn't want to sell??
"You can not support the Troops if you do not support their Mission"
I have McAfee because it
August 2, 2008 - 10:20 ET by motherbeltI have McAfee because it comes free with my Comcast Internet subscription. We also had McAfee (box version) before and have been happy with it. I like that it also comes with some extras like "Quick Clean" because I don't like to mess with most registry cleaners.
Obama's theme song
Scrapiron
August 2, 2008 - 14:18 ET by ScrapironMcAfee over six years and not 'one' problem. Now free if you use any part of AOL (which is also free in some forms). I like free stuff if it works.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
Noel... I have used AVG
August 2, 2008 - 11:54 ET by bigtimerNoel...
I have used AVG for about three years...switched to something else once and had nothing but problems...I have never had one single problem sith AVG so in that way since I am not as PC savvy as most of you, I have been lucky....plus the friend that recommended it to me, and still uses it himself, is computer savvy.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I use Avast! from ALWIL Software
August 2, 2008 - 12:15 ET by TjexciteI got a new computer w/vista and McAfee for 3 months free. I was OK but the computer was slower than expected for semi-new (in commuter terms that means only 2 months off the line and now old) With the 3 months over I opted for the free Avast. There was so much improvement in the speed it was like new. It found at least 3 Trojans that McAfee missed. It has a browser scanner that checks every page one opens. It finds bad stuff that come with the page. It is updated daily. The one downfall is there is no automatic time driven scan. It does have a screen saver add-on that scans whenever the saver is up which is cool. It also has a boot scan that will scan the whole HD before the OS loads and with it any anti-virus killer that will disable the scanner.
I have used both the free and pro version (for free and legal) of AVG. Not worth paying for as the only thing I found different was that one could custom an auto scan on what folder to scan.
http://www.avast.com/
Avast
August 2, 2008 - 13:17 ET by usbeefI am an IT person. AVG used to be a decent free antivirus but version 8.0 came out not long ago and it is bloated. Not as bad as Norton or McAfee but it is still a bloated waste.
I highly recommend the free Avast antivirus.
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
If you decide to go commercial, NOD32 and Kaspersky have always been the better AV engines in my opinion.
Don't bother installing a third party firewall either. The one built in to Windows is all most people need.
"Push back the liberal hordes!!" - Mark Levin
I'm an AVAST user both for home and business
August 2, 2008 - 15:03 ET by IamTinmanfor a while now. Between my computers, my office computers and my three children we have about 8 systems running it with no problems. Can't beat free AND functional!! Do use Spybot S&D (also free)
ClamWin
August 2, 2008 - 16:05 ET by brezley67beef
I to have used AVG free for yrs. Quit using NAV in 02 cause it got so bloated. AVG 8.0 that just came out gave me problems & is bloated to. I've been using Clamwin for about a year now on one of my pc's & haven't had any problems. Got this recommendation from another IT guy.
I use PC-Tools Spyware
August 2, 2008 - 16:29 ET by RukusI use PC-Tools Spyware Doctor plus Anti-Virus. No problems at all.
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Noel
August 2, 2008 - 16:34 ET by DelsaI have Norton 360 now and I also have the full version of AVG
Naturally, I can't run them both as they do not like eachother.
For the most part I can say I am happy with Norton. I have had some problems requiring me to uninstall and then reinstall.
AVG 8.0 is very good.
Most of the I T guys I talk to say AVG is good for the money or free
I'm just a consumer. I feel comfortable with Norton products and that makes it difficult to try something new.
I do not like McAfee at all.
I'm going to read further
"get a Mac"
August 2, 2008 - 20:30 ET by NayNoel, my husband would say "get a Mac". Problem solved.
Noel
August 2, 2008 - 21:21 ET by Free StinkerNoel, I recommend:
All free, and they all work great. I use these on my own laptop computer.
"They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain)
Noel
August 2, 2008 - 23:40 ET by sick_puppyI have used Zone Alarm for many years. Specifically ZoneAlarm Security Suite. I have had no security problems. I use it on 2 PCs and a laptop.
I don't see how any reader could
August 2, 2008 - 09:36 ET by IamTinmancome to any other conclusion than, Obama will take whatever position that improves his chances of getting elected.
He however counts on a coalition of true believers and minority groups to get him elected and every "nuanced" position, every shift in policy, every change in message sloughs off followers and lowers the enthusiasm of the ones who remain.
Baracks campaign only works as a cult of personality since he has little else to run on, and to have the facade of "Messiah of change" torn off to reveal just another hack politician will destroy any chance he has. He should be thankful he is running against McCain. A real GOP candidate would already have turned him into an also ran.
Your absolutely right,
August 2, 2008 - 15:44 ET by general companyYour absolutely right, shifts with the winds. And your also correct about him running against a weak opponent. Mitt, or Rudy, or even Fred would of had him throwing himself under the bus by know. This guy is an articulate moron.
"My name is Ron, but everyone calls me Mo. I dont know why" Scott Adams
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
The other day, Investor's
August 2, 2008 - 09:36 ET by motherbeltThe other day, Investor's Business Daily had a great editorial enititled Obama's Stealth Socialism. It's a "must read."
But unfortunately, most of those who intend to vote for Obama won't bother, or will consider it just "scare tactics."
McCain needs to get off the dime and start hammering home what's in Obama's "to-do" list: "Universal Health Care" is only the beginning.
Obama's theme song
Link bad, but that was a good frightening article
August 2, 2008 - 12:20 ET by Daniel BakerHussein was right they were going to try to scare me about him. Everyone please vote for McCain
John McCain 2008 Protect Traditional Marriage
Traditional Marriage is not "Divisive" Obama.
IBD Link
August 2, 2008 - 13:58 ET by motherbeltLink Fixed: Obama's Stealth Socialsim
Please, everyone, try this link now. I think it's too important an article to miss!
Obama's theme song
Thank you MB. This is a
August 2, 2008 - 17:43 ET by celatorThank you MB. This is a must read article, as you say. I've just received Corsi's book The Obama Nation, and so this article will compliment the book. Obama is a very very dangerous politician. His election to the White House, regardless of what one thinks of McCain, will be the major pivot point toward tyranical socialism in our lifetime.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
cel and mb... We are
August 2, 2008 - 17:51 ET by bigtimercel and mb...
We are going to get that book too in about a month..looking very forward to it...
mb...going to your link now...so I will say thanks ahead of time.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
motherbelt...
August 2, 2008 - 18:46 ET by Clear thinkerYou and I, and most people here at NB already know about Obama's Marxist leanings and how dangerous they can be. This knowledge by so many people needs to be shared.
As you know, most of the American public is pretty clueless concerning political speak, so they hear this guy making wonderful speeches and fall in love. The problem is... they really have no clue as to what he actually said in his speech, they just focus on how well he delivered it. I propose that each and every one of us here at NB take time to educate people about Obama and the truth. It may sound silly, but I would like to see all of us pledge to tell one new person a day. It matters not if it's in person, on the phone, email, blogs, or whatever form of communication we can think of, just get it in our heads that we must help educate people about the real Obama.
Any takers?
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
I'm with you, ct....I'm
August 2, 2008 - 20:46 ET by motherbeltI'm with you, ct....I'm going to start by emailing that article to some people I know that are leaning toward voting for Obama.
The media aren't going to expose him, so I guess we will have to do our best by word of mouth.
Obama's theme song
Seen the light?
August 2, 2008 - 09:53 ET by Reaver"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage - I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done," Obama said.
What a strong statement this is. Truly he now supports drilling. But that is the way this mealy mouthed sentence will be spun.
Obama's sneaky but he's not stupid
August 2, 2008 - 10:15 ET by jefflebowskiThe Democrats have a tremendously vulnerable flank in Pelosi's anti-drilling stance. While the Dims have to kiss environmenalist butt, more and more people stop caring about caribou as they have to struggle to feed their families.This is severely stupid for the Dims as it is truly anti-American. To tell us to inflate tires and get tune ups and turn the AC up to 80 is plain ridiculous and makes the Dims look so. They truly are pathetic.
I have said it before, Obama will be to the right of McCain on nearly every topic before the election. He knows he has the black vote and the unwashed left vote wrapped up. He will try to con the middle (a la Clinton) into believing he really is a moderate.
McCain's ham-handed (to date) campaign looks awfully clumsy. The best bet for McCain is for rappers and preachers to keep running their huge mouths about Obama and the black thing and continue to alienate the union member white Democrats.
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
Speaking of Obama
August 2, 2008 - 10:14 ET by acumenChild Junior - The Hidden Years
Little is revealed of this hidden life of the child Barry. The story begins in the humble village of Honolulu in the year of 1960.
A devout believer in Allah named Barack Obama, later to be known as the Senior, had recently left his wife in a far-away land to search for a mythical place called utopia. Not being able to find this utopia, the Senior became angry with Allah. In his bitter state, the Senior quickly lost any remaining faith and disowned Allah for the rest of his days on earth, choosing instead to carry the title of atheist.
Now also in this same humble village of Honolulu lived a whimsical young maiden named Stanley who was fondly called Ann.
Ann met the Senior in a Russian language class they both attended at the well known center of leftist thought, the University of Hawaii's East West Centre. Ann shared the Senior's Marxist views and soon became enchanted by this man from exotic lands.
Not discouraged by the Senior's still married state, Ann at the age of seventeen yielded to her desires for the Senior and soon gave birth to a baby boy. Ann named the child Barack Hussein Obama Junior in an effort to please the Senior. However, still haunted by the ongoing marriage to his first wife coupled with wishing to avoid more scandal and also troubled by his yet unfulfilled desire to find utopia the Senior was not pleased.
The Senior had a dream, where the worldly angel of subconscious self-preservation revealed that he should go into exile to the barren land of Harvard leaving Ann and Junior behind.
Ann next met another fellow leftist student from another far away land at the East West Centre named Lolo Soetoro. Unlike the Senior, Lolo was an unmarried man who still found favor with Allah. Taking advantage of Lolo's unmarried state Ann and Lolo were legally permitted to marry and in time did.
Ann, Lolo and Junior took up residence in Indonesia where Junior’s half-sister Maya Soetoro–Ng was born.
At the age of ten, Junior was sent back to the humble village of Honolulu to live with Ann's parents.
Many mysteries remain in the early hidden life of Junior. If all the mysteries of Junior's hidden life were written, the whole world could not contain all of the books. But it was not to be as Junior's hidden years came to receive a media pass.
To be continued....
Say anything
August 2, 2008 - 10:33 ET by ChuckM from PAIt's not a smart move nor a flip-flop. It's a "say anything to get elected, then I will change back to what I really believe".
Shameful, shameful!
GOP "revolt"
August 2, 2008 - 10:34 ET by Indiana JoeSo, what's the latest on the GOP House session? Are they going to keep it up? Are they still there? Will they come back Monday?
I can't seem to find anything posted later than the close of business yesterday. A link to something more current would be appreciated.
Indiana
August 2, 2008 - 12:06 ET by candanceLast I heard they went home for the weekend but are saying they want to come back Monday and Tuesday.
Right now the ball is in Bush's court. Pelosi has made it clear she'll ignore them, so it's up to Bush to respond. The Constitution has an allowance for Bush to call Congress into session if an important problem comes up.
So Boehner, Pence, Culberson and the rest are depending on someone in leadership to help them out. Yesterday neither Bush nor McCain made an effort to support them.
Thanks, candance.
August 2, 2008 - 12:53 ET by Indiana Joe"Yesterday neither Bush nor McCain made an effort to support them."
Why am I not surprised? And that will only contribute to the MSM making this a non-event. It's like they're embarassed by it or something.
The Republican "leadership" could f***-up a free lunch.
OBAMA presser
August 2, 2008 - 10:43 ET by billbWatched Obama's press conference this morning. CNN avoided it like the plague! When it was over I knew why....this guy is truly an empty suit. The MSM gives Obama hours and hours of face time, but now they seem to be a lot more selective for their main man! I wonder why he picked one of the most remote areas of Florida, Cape Canaveral, to have this press conference. It looked like fewer than two dozen reporters were there and I didn't recognize any from the networks
obama approves limited drilling
August 2, 2008 - 10:55 ET by ledgerhedgerHe is tired of listening to your constant whines. Therefore, he has decided to allow you to use a tiny portion of your own oil after it is delayed for 10 years by his friends the environmentalists. now will you please shut up.
As you know, Obama wants to
August 2, 2008 - 11:00 ET by Jack BauerAs you know, Obama wants to build more Position Refineries.
OBAMA REFINES HIS POSITION
9.37 am
Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post. "If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage - I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done,"
10.51am
"As I've always said, and have constantly repeated, we need to drill now, and drill often."
12.16pm
"My opponent who y'all know, looks nuthin' like me, is goin' around tryin' to scare all youse folks about me a flippin' and a floppin'. And did I mention I'm black."
Not for ten minutes, sir.
A Day In The Life of President Barack Dewey Obama, Age 47 and three eights.
ha!
August 2, 2008 - 11:52 ET by candanceObama saw those polls numbers go down and knew he had to go along with drilling.
So much for healing the planet.
*grins*
I heard this question asked
August 2, 2008 - 11:58 ET by bigtimerI heard this question asked this morning to Obama in his presser....he sounds like he is attempting to walk both sides of the fence ,while he is busy straddling it now with his aaaahhhs this morning...it was really hard to make heads or tails out of his pathetic answer...
Taking after Clinton...sticking his finger in the wind...which way to go...which way to go...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bigtimer
August 2, 2008 - 17:07 ET by DelsaStraddling the fence as SOBama is so fond of doing, will give him severe croch rot!
Preserve climate???
August 2, 2008 - 13:01 ET by Clear thinkerOk, I am taking a risk at sounding dumber than usual, but I gotta ask a Q.
Below you will see a comment from a poster over at Dot Earth. This persons post seems like it came from a very intelligent person, so I can't help but wonder... what the heck?
Can someone please tell me how you go about preserving a climate?
* Help preserve the climate for future generations and help the public achieve the wisdom to do so, genuinely serving “the public good”.
This may be a dumb question, coming from a dumb guy, but I do ask this Q in all seriousness.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Here's the rub
August 2, 2008 - 13:07 ET by Indiana Joe"...we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage..."
There's a loop-hole big enough to drive a tanker truck through. It'll be open season for anyone to bring suit to stop any drilling, anywhere.
Just like the "health of the mother" phrase in abortion rulings, the definition of "significant environmental damage" will be defined-down to the death of one starfish.
I call "shenanigans" (i.e., BULLSH*T!) on Obama!
Oh Goody Gum
August 2, 2008 - 13:36 ET by bigtimerOh Goody Gum Drops....
Obama is getting ready to speak at the Nat. Urban League, same place McCain went and got zilch for applause...
It was rude....I don't care who you are...they were more than rude...adn one thing McCain did bring up, that is plain and simple the truth was the dems being the ones who have stopped most blacks from getting their choice of what kind of schools they want to send their schools to if the school they are attending isn't satisfactory....
He said the Teachers Unions were to blame along with the dems in congress...
Not one bit of applause...
The truth hurts doesn't it.
Wanna' bet Obama will get standing ovations adn tons of applause...
As an aside you ought to of heard the blacks that called in this morning on Wash. Journal on open phones saying the polls are racist, they never get polled, they don't believe these polls with McCain and Obama tied...blah blah blah....
It was amusing.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Oh NO! Can't help adding
August 2, 2008 - 13:51 ET by bigtimerOh NO!
Can't help adding this on...Obama has started his BS sweet nothing now....
Guess what ....
He is a "Foot-Soldier" too now!
The battle of the foot-soldiers begin...
Too funny...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
A Quickie Shrub Report...
August 2, 2008 - 13:46 ET by Roger the ShrubberIn 216BC, one of the greatest battles in history occured.
Welcome to Dhimmiville, Tennessee!
Today's Religion of Peace Update.
Check out this clip on drilling. Amazing. (pardon me if this has already been posted!)
Happy Gulf of Tonkin Day! Also, in 1990, Saddam invaded Kuwait. And, in 1933, Paul von Hindenberg died, leaving an opening for a short, one-balled guy with a goofy moustahce to step in a steer Germany in a different direction...
The Picture of the Day.
Rog... Tyson can go pluck
August 2, 2008 - 14:08 ET by bigtimerRog...
Tyson can go pluck chickens...I quit buying Tyson products since the Clinton debacle....absolutely unbelievable...how many other companies are going to bend to this outrageous BS....
Nothing like a nice family squabble like these Honor Killings...
It is beyond words for me and past pitifully sad.
I watched the Fox hour show they had on this subject I think last week-end or so.
Btw...The drilling link was great...
I am passing that on tomorrow to a bunch of people.
...thanks for all the great info.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
big
August 2, 2008 - 15:26 ET by DelsaI have not read all these threads so I am not sure how we graduated to security systems or tyson Chicken BUT I had to let you know that I too stopped buying Tyson anything after the Clinton crap hit the fan.
Great minds.....
I am headed to the top and will read all the way so I can edumacate myself bettah.
Delsa... Just got back
August 2, 2008 - 15:38 ET by bigtimerDelsa...
Just got back and saw your post...I am referring to Roger's Shrub Report a couple of posts above and the links he has on there...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bigtimer
August 2, 2008 - 16:02 ET by Delsaoh key doe key.
I am headed there now.
If I were tyson I
August 2, 2008 - 16:41 ET by general companyIf I were tyson I would start using pork, end of problem. They suck anyway, sure feel sorry for their employees though.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
attempt to learn.
August 2, 2008 - 14:13 ET by dmntd1I'm sitting here, reading through the ExxonMobil Q2-2008 results from their news release. While reading through it, I seem to understand relatively little, but most of it is in a context that I can figure it out, and the rest is stuff I can look up online to figure out.
Something I'm not sure of, and maybe someone here can help me out! Taxes. Who does XOM pay them to? Are the income taxes listed purely U.S. income taxes. Does XOM have to pay income taxes to other countries in which they operate?
Last line on page 8 (attachment 1) also shows "ExxonMobil's share of income taxes of equity companies" to be 888. huh?!?
Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
Fascism is a religious conception in which man is seen in his imminent relationship with a superior law and with an objective will that transcends the particular individual - Mussolini
SOBama
August 2, 2008 - 15:22 ET by Delsais a liar.
Just like all the other Dems who "say" they want to drill "but"
There is NO truth here.
His word have a hollo ring to go along with his empty suit.
He is trying to get in the game and make the American public think he is with them.
The Dems are going to attempt to pass a "drill on what you have" bill that will include the windmills.
There will be NO new refineries, no nuclear plants, no natrual gas or any thing else viable.
In addition, there will be NO eliminating the RED TAPE of GOVERNMENT REGULATION or the bullet proofing from COURT CHALLENGES by Democrat surrogates aka envrionmental wackos!
Democrats are oeroetratubg a colossal fraud upon the American people.
Whitness the Summer Vacation!!
Another comment on the SOBama drilling
August 2, 2008 - 18:31 ET by DelsaI think the Dems have decided that in five weeks they have to do something and the leaders have passed it along to SOBama.
This way it looks as if HE steered the Dems onto the correct path.
In reality they told him...This is what we are going to HAVE to do.
SOBama is THE PUPPET not the puppet master!
Mort Kondrake made an interesting comment.
August 3, 2008 - 06:36 ET by Par for the CourseOn last Fridays Special Report with Brit Hume, Fred Barnes, Mort Kondracke and Charles Krauthammer were talking about Barack Obama's "Palm Beach Post" interview where Obama said "We have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought out drilling strategy without significant environmental damage."
One of the comments Kondrake made, regarding Harry Reid not allowing a vote on offshore drilling was:
Sounds like Obama may have thrown his Senate colleagues under the bus.
Obama has introduced a new
August 2, 2008 - 18:13 ET by johnbarryObama has introduced a new word to the English language. To barack means to flip-flop.
He is prepared to say or do anything to get elected. He changes policy positions on a daily basis. He makes it up as he goes along. He has no coherent energy policy. McCain should go one step further and support drilling in the Artic. Obama would much prefer to see Americans on bicycles rather than in cars.
If Americans elect extreme leftie Obama they will face the same problems as Europeans now face. Even when conservative governments are elected in place of outgoing Socialist Governments they face horrendous levels of bureaucracy and high taxation. In countries such as France, Germany Italy it is practically impossible to cut levels of taxation and bureaucracy bequeathed by the Socialists.
If the necessary decisions were taken the resultant unpopularity would wipe out conservative parties. So these parties can only work around the edges.
America must not fall for the Socialist charms of Obama.
Obama's Gusher of Bull****
August 2, 2008 - 19:03 ET by BarkerYesterday, Obama said drilling is a "gimmick". Today, it's his policy. Drilling has always been just a part of the energy solutions, not the be-all and end-all.
The only thing consistent about Obama is the amount of BS he spews forth on a daily basis.
Socialized medicine warning for my US friends
August 3, 2008 - 05:14 ET by Jack BauerI'm posting in full this post on a blog called Biased-BBC.
I think Americans need to be aware of the realities of a Socialized national heathcare system that is government run/mandated/directed/operated... of whatever you like to call it.
This is what happens to the old in a system in which age is one of the predominant factors in healthcare rationing. If this was TED KENNEDY in the UK, he would be DEAD already with his condition because he would not even have had an MRI yet because the OLD are last in line.
I am not naive enough to think this could not happen in the US too... however remember this when a polician waxes lyrical about "national" healthcare.
Read it and weep.
wow Jack
August 3, 2008 - 10:41 ET by candanceGovernment healthcare looks more and more like communism every day.
Thanks for sharing.
Heard it all before
August 3, 2008 - 10:57 ET by dboJack,
Ditto in Canada. I'm afraid these stories are a dime a dozen. The system killed my Mother-in-law 6 years ago, a great woman. The system is even worse than most Americans could possibly imagine. What's unbelievable is that most Canadians think it's a great system. Every federal election since I can remember is fought over health care. I suspect the British system is doing better than ours since there has been at least some attempt to modernize there. We're still using our 1967dinosaur here. Please America, plug your nose if you must. Vote McCain.
I finally solved who george
August 3, 2008 - 07:36 ET by pepsiman127I finally solved who george stephanopoulis really is...correct me if im wrong but doesn't he look exactly like Fats the dummy from that old anthony hopkins movie?
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They offer free firewall and AV. I have not used the AV but am using the firewall.
AVG is on 4 out of 6 of my computers. The other two pc's are a mac and a linux box so no real need, since they are low on the hit list if most cyber attackers.
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Normally I don't root for the disease. But in your case I am willing to make and exception.