For general discussion and debate: Possible talking point: Rush is with us for another eight years!
The American broadcast industry is rocked, realigned and blasted into a new orbit, yet again, by Rush Limbaugh, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. In what is being described as an unprecedented radio contract, Limbaugh will keep his syndicated show on-the-air and e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e through 2016 with CLEAR CHANNEL and PREMIERE RADIO. Already host of the most lucrative hours since radio's inception, Limbaugh's total package is valued north of $400 million, according to media insiders (report and picture courtesy Drudge).
What does this announcement -- and Rush -- mean to you, and what does it say about the rest of the mainstream media?














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Rush should have fun with this
July 2, 2008 - 10:21 ET by Prester John"Bulldozer 'terror' attack on bus in Jerusalem"
Man, first it's SUVs, now it's bulldozers. Ya just can't trust machinery any more. What's the world coming too?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4254225.ece
I say we ban all heavy
July 2, 2008 - 10:27 ET by Dan The Man 2I say we ban all heavy machinery, as shown here they are deadly and kill people.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Here's the AP headline
July 2, 2008 - 11:42 ET by Prester JohnFrontloader Rams Into Cars, Bus in Jerusalem; At Least 3 Killed
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374904,00.html
Keep on Rocking Rush!
July 2, 2008 - 10:25 ET by jazboAnd kudos. Now to defeat the Hush Rush bill....
.Those who believe in nothing will believe anything.
I never listen to Rush, I
July 2, 2008 - 10:26 ET by Dan The Man 2I never listen to Rush, I have some but he is boring. But more power to him and his lucrative deal, hopefully the hopeful changer will let him keep some of it.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Thank God for Rush Limbaugh
July 2, 2008 - 10:26 ET by steviep831What does this deal mean to America? It means for at least the next 8 years, the left will continue to not get away with anything!
Love that picture. Rush
July 2, 2008 - 10:27 ET by bassndudeLove that picture. Rush Limbaugh...evil capatialist..
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
All I have to say is 6
July 2, 2008 - 10:30 ET by Paul GAll I have to say is 6 words....Thank God Thank God Thank God
or should I say i have a thousand words? million?
Outstanding news, although i think
July 2, 2008 - 10:40 ET by JTPhe is much more valuable than 400m to this country.
I guess you gotta take what you can get.
Congatulations Rush!
The true "Spirit of Radio"
(My other favorite Rush)
The 2ND Amendment exists to secure the rest
Indeed
July 2, 2008 - 13:11 ET by Unsane"Invisible airwaves crackle with life, bright antenna bristles with the energy..." - Prof. Neil Peart
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
unsane, do you know the real reason Neil Peart is refferred to..
July 2, 2008 - 23:26 ET by R D Helm...as The Professor?
LOL-The answer just may surprise you.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Rush - making the left go CRAZY !!!!
July 2, 2008 - 10:38 ET by robertjacobI have had the good forture to talk to Rush twice on the air - I keep the recordings as if they were family jewels to be handed down to future generations.
GOOD FOR YOUR RUSH - you have EARNED every penny.
Also - congratulations to your staff Rush - the finest in the industry and the best web site in the history of journalism.
→ Bring on the popcorn
July 2, 2008 - 10:41 ET by Cool ArrowIf O'Reilly has a problem with Oil Company CEO pay, doesn't he have to come after Rush?
I'm jut sayin'.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
I doubt it...
July 2, 2008 - 10:43 ET by sarcasmoToo close to the subject of O'Reilly's own paycheck, a subject which has always been off-limits in the "no spin zone."
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
O'Reilly's Spin World
July 2, 2008 - 11:07 ET by JDWEver get sick of listening to him talk about his tax problems...?
Doubtful his audience will hear anything about Rush.
JDW
Remember the Countrywide Six?
Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?
If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?
Kudos
July 2, 2008 - 10:41 ET by mytwocentsRush, you are the man! I never miss his broadcasts. Congratulations indeed!!!
20 million can't be
July 2, 2008 - 10:41 ET by dvdaughtry20 million can't be wrong!
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Watch the libs go CRAZY with jealousy.
July 2, 2008 - 10:42 ET by c5thenAl Franken especially will be foaming at the mouth.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Limbaugh (Fairness) Doctrine
July 2, 2008 - 10:42 ET by CaringwhiteguyThis means that President Obama, Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid will put even more effort into re-instituting the Limbaugh (Fairness) Doctrine. Depending on their numerical majority, and such minority stallwarts as The Two Ditzes from Maine and Senator McCain, they may just succeed.
With respect, I disagree
July 2, 2008 - 11:33 ET by KC MulvilleI think this makes Rush bullet-proof.
Bluff called.
Thank you for your respect
July 2, 2008 - 12:18 ET by CaringwhiteguyWe all must continue our civil dialogues to keep Matthew S. content.
PAY HIM MORE MONEY!!!
July 2, 2008 - 10:46 ET by charlietexasWHY ONLY 400 MIL??? Way to go Rush. Keep up the good job. You are turely a gift from GOD.
Love, MOM
....whatwazat I just heard??...
July 2, 2008 - 10:50 ET by neighbI could be wrong, but I think I just heard Dingy Harry and Botox Nance, huddling together at breakfast saying, "Ahhhhhshhhhiiiiiittt".
Or it coulda just been a sneeze, I'm not sure.
neighb
400 Million Dollar Man
July 2, 2008 - 11:05 ET by BarkerAll of this with half his brain tied behind his back.
→ Right on Barker
July 2, 2008 - 11:11 ET by Cool ArrowAll of this with half his brain tied behind his back.
That's the real Fairness Doctrine.
He only needs to show just enough to win the turkey.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
And now, today's Shrub
July 2, 2008 - 11:05 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Shrub Report®:
On Quinn's show this morning, he claimed his "secret source" is telling him that Romney will the McCain's running mate, and Lady Pantsuit will be Obama's.
Global warming will cause bigger, more frequent hurricanes, er, typhoons, er, earthquakes, um, floods! Yes, floods! That's better.
And we thought Kerry was a flip-flopper. Holy cow.
Person of indiscriminate ethnic origin, religion, and nationality accidentally runs over people and vehicles with construction equipment.
Way back in 1951, what many consider the worst movie ever made was released.
Damn. The guy is looking like Victor Buono these days, isn't he?
Mike McIntyre (D – NC) demands progress report on Iraq. When it arrives, poos-poos it.
Speaking of the Worst Congress Ever, how did your senator vote with Harry Reid? Obama was the #1 partisan Democrat(ic) in the senate, voting with Reid 91% of the time. No rubber-stamp, indeed!
And, finally, a third story about our esteemed members of Congress.
This Shrubber is patiently awaiting the first "these fires are out of control because National Guard troops are in Iraq" claims.
Today in history: 1566 – Nostradamus dies. 1853 – Crimean War begins as Russia invades Turkey, inspires a cool tune. 1881 – James Garfield is assassinated. 1900 – first successful zeppelin flight. 1934 – Carl Kolchak's main man gets himself perished. 1937 – Amelia Earhart is abducted by aliens, er, "disappears".
Looks like Omarosa's makeover was not a success. But The Hopeful Changer just joined Conrad and Dodd on the "sweet home mortgage" scandal. At least the "fist-bump" has been thrown underneath the bus. That bus ride is getting mighty bumpy.
Today's Religion of Peace Update.
I thought Iran had nothing to do with the violence in Iraq? Where's Leon to set us straight? Duh.
Finally, the Quote of the Day, and The Picture of the Day.
July 2, 1776 Congress
July 2, 2008 - 11:56 ET by bassndudeJuly 2, 1776
Congress votes for independence
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
How did I miss that? And I
July 2, 2008 - 12:37 ET by Roger the ShrubberHow did I miss that? And I just watched the "John Adams" mini-series last week, too.
Bad Shrubber!
Bad Shrubber!
Thanks Roger......
July 2, 2008 - 22:00 ET by BEGRUNTfor my daily chuckle........the Victor Buono one had me ROTFL..!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Good for Him
July 2, 2008 - 11:05 ET by appst38The pic of Rush almost makes me want to que the Dark Vader sound track.
"I find your lack of Faith disturbing"
Go Rush!
Rush is going to need that raise...
July 2, 2008 - 11:10 ET by R D Helm...once the government-schooled American dumbMasses put Barry-O in the White House.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Not all Chinese imports are cheap and plastic!
July 2, 2008 - 11:16 ET by blogonatorSome of them are torture techniques.
Amazing!
There will probably be some people here who will look again at what is described and say, as the wealthy Mr. Limbaugh might, ah, these sorts of interrogation techniques don't rise above fraternity pranks!
Tell that to the "American prisoners returning from North Korea, some of whom had been filmed by their Chinese interrogators confessing to germ warfare and other atrocities." Is it only torture when it happens to our side? Is it admirable or disturbing that this nation is emulating Communist China and North Korea in its treatment of prisoners? And what good is false intelligence gained under these kinds of abuses anyway?
Discuss.
I thought ALL of them were
July 2, 2008 - 11:19 ET by Roger the ShrubberI thought ALL of them were torture techniques. Damn, we better try harder.
That's about as constructive...
July 2, 2008 - 12:26 ET by blogonatoras a fart delivered from the back of the classroom.
Please try again.
What should I be saying, to
July 2, 2008 - 12:48 ET by Roger the ShrubberWhat should I be saying, to make sure my response fits into your own little world?
Not exactly
July 2, 2008 - 13:18 ET by blogonatorBut if you want to be taken seriously, try to address the issue. That's free advice. Take it or leave it.
Okay. Got it. I will respond
July 2, 2008 - 13:57 ET by Roger the ShrubberOkay. Got it.
I will respond to your Left-Wing talking points in a serious fashion from now on.
On blogonator
July 2, 2008 - 13:18 ET by Unsaneblogonator seems deeply concerned about torture. Especially if the most evil civilization he has ever seen (that would be the United States) commits it. Torture, in his world, is NOT completely pampering the cuddly terrorists with 5 star treatment in the Waldorf Astoria.
But I somehow doubt he will address for one moment the torture endured by the sailor who was killed on TWA Flight 847 back in 1985. Or the mock executions endured by the embassy personnel in Tehran in 1980. (The examples I can come up with at the moment)
C'mon, blogonator. Lead by example. Adopt one of the cute, cuddly, huggable terrorists and show us how they should be treated!!!
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
When you make stuff up just to support your point...
July 2, 2008 - 13:29 ET by blogonatorit actually serves to undermine your point. Your whole first paragraph is your own imagination running wild again.
I'll make it plain so you can cite it later with authority: torture is beneath us as a country. I'll go one step further and say torture is beneath us as human beings. From a practical standpoint it is worse than useless. It is actually damaging. Whether it is our side committing torture or their side, whoever they is, I am opposed to it.
Now, it's time for you to watch a video made by a prominent Iraq War supporter.
Enjoy!
Watch your agitprop link? For what?
July 2, 2008 - 16:16 ET by UnsaneWhy should I watch your silly agitprop video when I was actually deployed there? I actually know what Iraq was like because unlike you I was there.
My first paragraph you so disdain is extremely accurate. It can hadly be my imagination running wild when YOU are the one vomiting the Leftist talking points and agitprop and willfully choosing to believe the absolute worst about your country and the military that ensures your ability to whine online.
I will state again: anything short of the total pampering of the terrorists and bad guys at the 5-star hotel of your choice to Leftists like yourself is considered torture. Go adopt one of those cuddly terrorists if you think you can do a better job of detaining them. In the meantime, giving the enemy combatants three squares a day, looking after their spiritual needs, and otherwise treating them in accordance with the Geneva Convention is NOT torture. Of course, NOT ONE PEEP from you or your fellow Leftists concerning the human rights of those killed for showing up to work one morning at the World Trade Center (for one example and I can think of many many more).
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
china gets a two-fer
July 2, 2008 - 11:41 ET by AgnosticNot only did there techniques manage to elicit false confessions during the Korean War they now get a knee-jerk reaction from the President Bush haters to make confessions of how bad America and the American military personnel behave. BTW, you do know that those military men are your countrymen and some are people you went to school with and played with as a kid. I wonder what they think of your opinion now.
It is possible that some of the information is false and it is also possible some of it is true. I don't like the idea of torture either but the reality is that from all accounts America's prisoners are healthier when released than when captured, furnished with religious items and entertainment/exercise. The other reality is that if torture did not work at all, especially psychological torture, many famous military leaders of the past would have abandoned the idea long ago because it is just easier to kill the prisoners.
Are you addressing me?
July 2, 2008 - 12:44 ET by blogonatorI'd tell you if I thought America is a bad place and everyone in the American armed forces was evil. But I don't, so I won't. America isn't perfect, and we all need to work to improve our country. One of our most glaring imperfections is our use of torture in the WOT. Whether it's in modern day Egypt, Spain in the time of the Inquisition, or 55 years ago in North Korea, torture is torture. It's beneath us. We don't need to follow them. We need to set the example.
But you say, "the reality is that from all accounts...." What are these "all accounts" you speak of? I've read of some pretty serious abuses. Let me give you an example and you tell me if there's anything wrong with this. First I hit you over the head with a brick. Then I buy you a movie ticket. Then I hit you with a brick again. Another movie ticket follows. Does the movie ticket negate the flying brick? I say no.
blogo...
July 2, 2008 - 12:48 ET by Clear thinker"We need to set the example."
I agree, buuuut... we should lead by example and find better, more humane ways of torture!
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Got any specific suggestions?
July 2, 2008 - 13:20 ET by blogonatorOr was that an attempt at humor?
blog, that was not humor,
July 2, 2008 - 13:28 ET by bassndudeblog, that was not humor, that was something your not familiar with. Honesty.
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what torture did we do...?
July 2, 2008 - 13:48 ET by TruthMongerwhat torture did we do...? Is this about those ferocious water drips?
I've got a video for you to watch
July 2, 2008 - 13:55 ET by blogonatorTry to approach it with an open mind. It's by a prominent Iraq War supporter.
Link
checking it out now... is
July 2, 2008 - 14:10 ET by TruthMongerchecking it out now...
is there anything else besides the waterboarding? who officially authorized this US waterboarding?
looking online - there is
July 2, 2008 - 14:24 ET by TruthMongerlooking online - there is quite a bit of disagreement on waterboarding qualifying as torture - do you have anything else besides the waterboarding or is that it?
There's plenty more besides waterboarding
July 2, 2008 - 15:33 ET by blogonatorLink
Look back to my first comment in this Open Thread and read up on where these "enhanced interrogation" techniques actually came from. It was torture when it was studied in 1957, and I don't see how we can honestly call it anything else now. Even the term "enhanced interrogation" has odious origins (link).
Now as to the question who officially authorized this US waterboarding, good luck getting that one answered. I would wager it goes all the way to the top of the executive branch (link). Problem is whenever anyone wants to ask Bush about it, he dodges the question. Tapes of the waterboarding taking place have been destroyed, in defiance of the 9/11 comission (link). Who's responsible for that? Again, we may never know. If ever we were able to launch a full investigation, it's hard to say what evidence we'd be able to recover.
Bloggie, most of us trust
July 2, 2008 - 15:37 ET by Dan The Man 2Bloggie, most of us trust the military and teh government to restrain themselves when using "aggressive" interogatioon techniques. What do you think is fair game for interogation, I mean specifically. Apparently you have plenty of experience and can draw on years of field work.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Apparently not
July 2, 2008 - 15:58 ET by blogonatorBut when it comes to taking a side on this issue, I find the "tortue is bad for us" argument far more convincing. And not because the people who advance that position have no experience with interrogations. Try this article.
As for blind faith, I don't place that in human beings. Neither did this guy.
Plenty besides waterboarding?
July 2, 2008 - 15:38 ET by bassndudeWho cares? Only a nit wit would be concerned with the "feelings" of a murderous bunch that wants nothing less, than to cut off the nit wits head. Waterboard em, stand em in a corner, naked, in a freezer, under a sprinkler...who cares if it gets the information we need?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Who cares indeed...
July 2, 2008 - 16:05 ET by blogonatorNumber one: torture does not produce reliable information. People will tell their torturer whatever they think will make the pain stop, right or wrong.
Number two: you are making an impressive leap of faith that the person being tortured actually has information you need. If you have the wrong guy, and it happens, then what is your torture doing except creating hatred? Worse, whatever bogus information he produces and you act on is wasting time and resources.
So divorce yourself from caring about these people. Care about yourself and how you want your military tax dollars spent. This should be about defending our country, not making new enemies.
just curious - if you have
July 2, 2008 - 16:12 ET by TruthMongerjust curious - if you have this much disdain for US waterboarding then what do you think about tortures by Hussein and Al Queda, etc? Do you actively campaign against that as much as these US interrogation techniques?
I answered that question above
July 2, 2008 - 16:19 ET by blogonatorI oppose torture wherever it happens, under whatever authority it's being carried out.
As an American, I particularly oppose it when my tax dollars are spent perpetrating it.
MY tax dollars???
July 2, 2008 - 16:26 ET by Unsanemy tax dollars - Oh goody. Yet another poster who believes he is the only human being that pays taxes.
I oppose torture wherever it happens, under whatever authority it's being carried out. Unless of course it is being done in the name of "social justice", being the good Leftist you are. And of course, NOT ONE PEEP about the human rights violations committed against Americans.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
you talk about Bush
July 2, 2008 - 16:31 ET by TruthMongeryou talk about Bush dodging questions - is this a dodge by you to my questions?
I oppose it wherever as well - and I also believe in prioritizing - so I see people like Hussein and terrorists as perpretating significantly worse atrocitites - so they should be dealt with more strongly than the CIA right now IMHO - would you agree? And if so do you think that's the message to the world coming from the American left? Or is their message that America is a greater evil than AQ and sadistic dictators like Hussein?
Try not to conflate the issues
July 2, 2008 - 17:16 ET by blogonatorMy country engages in torture. If they're keeping track, the President and my representatives know how I feel about it. I do what I can to stop it.
Whatever happens overseas is not really our business. Sorry, I don't think America should be the world's policeman. I'm surprised some conservatives do nowadays. If we detect some bad stuff going down some place, then let us bring some diplomatic pressure to bear and disengage ourselves from the situation. We ought to stay out of foreign entanglements. Someone famous said something like that once. Saddam was a bad guy, no doubt, but stopping torture was no reason to go into Iraq. At least it wasn't a stated reason when we went in. Maybe it is now. Seems like the reasons change every year or so.
it's torture according to
July 2, 2008 - 17:28 ET by TruthMongerit's torture according to you - not authoritative bodies - so your comments should be qualified correspondingly...
stopping torture was not a reason for ousting Hussein - it was an ancillary benefit - and as you seem to be so adamantly opposed to torture I wanted to hear your take on his particular methods - but now you say you are only opposed to American torture? But just above that you said you opposed it everywhere it happens - which means you should oppose it overseas as well as domestically - you don't seem to have your story straight here...
Are you the authoritative body?
July 2, 2008 - 17:36 ET by blogonatorDid you even read this? It was torture in 1957 according to an Air Force researcher. What is it now if it isn't torture?
You can't seem to get my story straight. I oppose it everywhere. I don't think we should be invading countries to stop it. If you can't reconcile those two statements, you are beyond my help.
bogonator...
July 2, 2008 - 16:36 ET by Clear thinkerAre you still here???
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
blog, lie to the torturer?
July 2, 2008 - 17:05 ET by bassndudeblog, lie to the torturer? What happens when that is found out? You think you let the guy go? Ha...shows what you know. You keep your prisnor. If he lies, he knows you will be back, and what he was enduring, he will see as a pick nick. Torture, when the information comes, if it is bogus....well, most of em come clean when you tell them you will be back if he lied, or the information is wrong...I can tell you have never been involved in the interrorgation of an enemy. Otherwise, you would not make ignorant statements.
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Assuming you have the right guy
July 2, 2008 - 17:23 ET by blogonatorYou are always making that generally unfounded assumption. The wrong guy will give you wrong information until you kill him or release him.
Recognizing this is the internet and you could be Gen. Eisenhower's zombie or instead just some mostly unemployed dude living in a basement in Kansas, let me ask you anyway, what exactly is your experience engaging in interrogations? Have you ever tortured someone? How'd that work out for you? How have you avoided prosecution?
blogo...
July 2, 2008 - 17:29 ET by bassndudeI asked you first...I am not Eisenhower, nor do I live in Kansas, close, but not there. Torture is sometimes the only way to get information. Normaly, when I captured a prisnor, we were pretty darn sure he was a member of the enemys army.
Now, that is not to say we did not employ other means, when it worked. It depended largely on the age of the one in question, and how gulliable he was. We once took a kid to the club after we landed, bought him a few beers and he thought we where his best friends in the world. We got all the intell we needed from him, and then some. So is torture the only means? No. Is it effective on the hard core? Yes.
Now what is your experience?
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Other means?
July 2, 2008 - 17:47 ET by blogonatorSo what exactly did you do? Was it torture or wasn't it? I seems like you employed methods other than torture to get what you wanted. Did you ever actually torture anyone?
Feeding the kid all the
July 2, 2008 - 18:43 ET by BDFeeding the kid all the TSIGNTAO or San Miguel he can consume hardly seems like toruture to me.
Most of my compadres have expreienced a "Fun Little Summer Camp" we call (Survival, Escape, Resistance, & Evasion) SERE School.
I cannot remember a single one who was not broken in some manner under the relitively simple techniques used there. The only way to not break is to not speak - at all. Rigourous interrogation handles that issue nicely.
Scenarior for you again. KSM Sits in fornt of you and refuses to speak, at all. And you know he has information critital to saving thousands of lives in the next 24 hours. What are you willng to do to get the information?
Leave off your Sam Waterston "I gotta be able to stand in court" attitude, because you must have information or thousands will die and prosecution is not the intent.
Your thoughts are one sided
July 2, 2008 - 21:13 ET by HumblepieYou believe that everyone the US captures receives some form of torture. Do you even know what the role of an interrogator is? How they go about their job? How many times will they talk, just talk, to someone? There is countless hours of interviews, checking the information, forming new questions to be asked, etc. When answers do not match know information, more interviews are conducted. It is a long drawn out process. Torture is a relative term. I'm tortured when filling up my gas tank, or grocery shopping. Try sitting in Beltway traffic for three hours, now thats torture. To a interrogator, "physical methods" is a last resort when information is known by the subject and other means have failed. If you want to call it torture, fine. My best form of "torture" was to keep them in a white cell with white sheets/blankets, white chair, white etc. The lights would never go out and every few hours I would change the time on the clock either forward or backwards. Pump in a little heavy metal, overlapped with punk, music. Go ahead, call it torture. It amazes me how many people "deplore" torture but really have no understanding on the total process. And yes there is more, but maybe its time for your private studies. Go research.
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
Good point!
July 3, 2008 - 08:57 ET by Roger the ShrubberHey, it worked on "Kelly's Heroes", right?
Number one: torture does
July 2, 2008 - 18:33 ET by BDNumber one: torture does not produce reliable information.
Number two: you are making an impressive leap of faith that the person being tortured actually has information you need.
If you have the wrong guy, and it happens, then what is your torture doing except creating hatred?
Little bit of mindbender for you. YOu have a good folder full of insmation about a KSM type who is now presented to you with a black hood on in the interrogation facility. YOu believe he has a mission ongoing that could kill thousands. But has refused to say a word to the guys who attempted to to a hasty interogation inthe field.
You take his hood off and he stares icily at you as you say "Where is the bomb" and "Where is Johnson." He never says a word.
YOu know that Johnson has a bomb in one of six places, but you cannot cover them all. You know of the six places due to other information you have received.
WHat do you do?
I change the channel
July 2, 2008 - 20:00 ET by blogonatorWait, who's playing the KSM type? I liked that Kumar guy in the White Castle movie. He's a good actor. Jack Bauer got him good though.
Please step back into reality. Our intelligence is never perfect, and it won't be until we perfect mind reading. Torture is not a way to improve our condition because torture does not produce reliable intelligence. Not when you have the wrong guy. Not when the guy you do have has a high threshold of pain and a willingness to die for a cause. Torture does debase our republic. Torture does undermine our troops currently in harms way who may find themselves prisioners of the enemy.
Blogonator Wait, who's
July 3, 2008 - 00:14 ET by BDBlogonator
Wait, who's playing the KSM type? I liked that Kumar guy in the White Castle movie. He's a good actor. Jack Bauer got him good though.
Please step back into reality. Our intelligence is never perfect,
and it won't be until we perfect mind reading.
Torture is not a way to improve our condition because torture does not produce reliable intelligence.
Not when you have the wrong guy.
Not when the guy you do have has a high threshold of pain and a willingness to die for a cause.
Torture does debase our republic.
Torture does undermine our troops currently in harms way who may find themselves prisioners of the enemy.
By the way, nice attempt to sidestep the question. What would you, BLOGONATOR, do to the get the info? I make you the SECDEF and you have the weight of the office on your shoulders. WHAT DO YOU DO?
Forget it BD
July 3, 2008 - 02:04 ET by HumblepieHe's a idiot and his two remaining brain cells aren't talking to each other. He's a good candidate for wall to wall counselling.
During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.
Ouch.
July 3, 2008 - 08:47 ET by Roger the ShrubberThat had to hurt, Bloggie.
It's been a pleasure
July 3, 2008 - 09:46 ET by blogonatorTo all of you who have taken time out of your busy days to put me in my place, thanks for your efforts.
To Humblepie and Unsane who talk as though they know me and my every thought, sorry, you don't. I don't fit your stereotypes.
To BD and the other unreformed sadists out there I'm still curious to know if you have engaged in what you yourself would term torture. If not, with what kind of authority on the issue to you purport to speak? If so, how have you avoided prosecution? If you define torture as waterboarding, your definition is too narrow, and not only according to my opinion but also according to our laws and the international treaties we've signed. On the positive side, you're one baby step further than the current administration who won't even confirm that bit of obviousness.
To everyone who wants so badly to believe we have executed this WOT perfectly and only the bad guys are getting hurt because that's what the President and the DOD tell us, I do not and never will share your blind faith. Not because I am a traitor, but because I am a patriot and I've read too much that indicates otherwise. Get your head out of the sand. "Buh, buh, but they're doing it tooo!!!!" is not any kind of mature defense of our flaws.
To those of you who see no problem with us lifting our interrogation techniques from Communist China and Nazi Germany, that's disturbing.
And to pretty much any one willing to ponder the question: do you believe in war crimes? Or is any atrocity that happens associated with war something we should just accept?
This will be my last post on this thread. Have a safe Fourth of July. If you're ever in the DC area, look me up. I'll buy your first beer.
Fingernails? Your kidding,
July 3, 2008 - 10:09 ET by bassndudeFingernails? Your kidding, right? There are other ways of getting information. By your defination, sleep depravation is torture. I guess standing for extended periods of time is to. You still have not told me your experience in obtaining information from the enemy. So I take it you have 0 experience. In intelligence or military. I am right...your posts are evidence enough.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Bass: He is from DC....
July 3, 2008 - 10:40 ET by BDBass:
He is from DC.... nuff said.