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Open ThreadFor general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: sweltering heat in the East. The press now is all abuzz with this current heatwave. Yet, as many of you are aware, the month of May was rather chilly around our nation. With this in mind, how's that global warming thing treating you? How would you measure 2008 versus recent years and your memory of the past? How's the summer starting off where you live? 
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Iraqi Sheik Offers To Take Fight to Bin Laden???
June 9, 2008 - 10:55 ET by Prester JohnI wonder if the MSM will report this one?
Iraqi Sheik Offers To Take Fight to Bin Laden
Hero of Anbar Would Stir a Revolt in Afghanistan
WASHINGTON — The leader of the tribal confederation that has fought to expel Al Qaeda from most of Iraq's Anbar province is offering his men to help gin up a rebellion against Osama bin Laden's organization along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.
"Al Qaeda is an ideology," Sheik Ahmad said. "We can defeat them inside Iraq and we can defeat them in any country." The tribal leader arrived in Washington last week. All of his meetings, including an audience with President Bush, have been closed to the public, in part because the Anbari sheiks, while likely to win future electoral contests, are not themselves part of Iraq's elected government.
Of his meeting with Mr. Bush, Sheik Ahmad said he was impressed. "He is a brave man. He is also a wise man. He is taking care of the country's future, the United States' future. He is also taking care of the Iraqi people, the ordinary people in Iraq. He wants to accomplish success in Iraq."
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/help-against-bin-laden-is-proffered/79524/
Iraqi Chief to take fight to Bin Laden
June 9, 2008 - 11:24 ET by merlin61The MSM will never, never, never say anything
good abaout GWB. To call him a brave man, and
a wise man will never be published in any
American paper!!!! This man speaks the
truth, but the MSM doesn't know the truth.
holy MSM
June 9, 2008 - 13:14 ET by TruthMongerholy MSM blasphemy...!
this sheik must die - send Dan Rather in there:)
It hasn't happened
June 9, 2008 - 10:57 ET by taterIt hasn't happened yet...but I'm waiting for someone in the media to mention those words about the recent heat wave in the northeast. They said it last year when a similar heat wave affected the northeast.
The rest of the world could be an iceberg but if it's 100 and sticky in the northeast it's global warming.
www.theholyrosary.org
"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia
GMA wasted no time in blaming heat wave on GW
June 9, 2008 - 12:16 ET by SouthJersey1953GMA this morning was implying this heat wave was the result of global warming.....funny how they are silent during the cool spells (like all of March-April-May).
And if it 'is' global warming, why are we not breaking recent heat records instead of 100 year old ones?
Unbelieveable!!!+
That is interesting. I've
June 9, 2008 - 17:04 ET by ThatDudeThat is interesting. I've been waiting for them to blame the heat wave on global warming. Don't get me wrong though, 97 is abnormally warm for this area in June, but to claim it as evidence of a global warming trend is foolish. If they want to make that claim they will have to completely bypass the cool weather we've had up till even 2 weeks ago. I'm just glad that the Fox weatherman here actually gave the real causes for the heat wave instead of even mentioning global warming.
Spike Lee hits
June 9, 2008 - 11:05 ET by balboaSpike Lee hits back!
http://film.guardian...
In case of a throwdown, my
June 9, 2008 - 14:10 ET by UphillIn case of a throwdown, my money is on Mr. Eastwood.
Sixty Minutes was on at my
June 9, 2008 - 11:05 ET by Chris NormanSixty Minutes was on at my brother's house while I was making dinner for the family last night. I was grumbling in the kitchen about yet another story on the evils of the Bush Administration, this time regarding OSHA's "lack of concern for the problem of "explosive dust" in factories - featuring the usual interviews with "whistle blowers", ineffectual Bush Administration department heads (where do the the Republicans get these innarticulate spokesmen anyway?) and a blowhard ultra-liberal congressman (in this case, George Miller (D) - CA). In the next story they were talking about Howard Hughes. My lib brother asked me about my grumbling and I remarked on the liberal bias of 60 Minutes. My brother said that they were doing a story on Howard Hughes, how could that be biased against Bush? The next minute, the focus of the Hughes story shifted to stem cell research, and criticized President Bush for holding it back. You can imagine my (twisted) glee as I pointed out the fact that they could work in criticism of George Bush into a story on unicorns.
Cold, so very cold
June 9, 2008 - 11:05 ET by MeanderingIts been so cold for so long, now that its hot I don't think anyone knows what to do with themselves anymore. Here in the midwest we are getting pummeled by storms, but its still pretty hot. I do not blame the cars on the rode so much as I blame the sun for this heat we are getting as summer approaches. Now if it was 85 degrees in January then you might have an argument about global warming, but as its about summer now it really doesn’t fly with me.
Going from the 50s to the 80s
June 9, 2008 - 11:06 ET by Cape Conservativein just a few days, the warm weather was most welcome on Cape Cod! (I could FINALLY put away the winter coats!)
Of course, the media will go on and on about it, but you know, before Al Gore became the world's temperature-taker, it used to be called "summer" ;-)
Central New York has been average to below average all spring.
June 9, 2008 - 11:10 ET by jazboWho do we blame for normalcy?
.
Those who believe in nothing will believe anything.
Going from 50's to 80's
June 9, 2008 - 11:29 ET by merlin61Yes, Cape Conservative, warmer weather is
called summer. We in the Midwest have been
waiting for it for an extra long time this year and
are grateful to have it. I hate freezing weather
and can't wait to enjoy warm, or even hot weather.
Tell AG he needs to remember summer, spring
fall and winter are all seasons of the year and
shut up about this global warming hoax.
I was ill-advised enough to
June 9, 2008 - 11:08 ET by HelenSI was ill-advised enough to go out and do yard work yesterday. It almost killed me! It's like wrapping a hot wet wool blanket around your head and inhaling deeply.
I live in Fairfax, VA (about 16 miles from DC) and this is a particularly oppressive heat wave. The year I moved out here (from the Mojave desert!) in 1999 it was a brutal June. So as I've suspected: it's cyclical.
One think I've noticed: the news will say things like "the worst recession in 20 years!" or "gas prices rising the fastest in six years" (or whatever they're measuring) "or the hottest June in 25 years!" What all of that means is that 21 years ago, or 7 years ago, or 26 years ago respectively, things were as bad or worse than they are now. So unless they start saying "EVER!" or "in living memory!" or "in recorded history!" or "since the foundation of the EARTH!" it's kind of hard to take these hyperventilations seriously.
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God." - Paul (Rom. 13:1)
Here in PA, it finally
June 9, 2008 - 11:49 ET by motherbeltHere in PA, it finally feels like it's really summer. May was lousy for the most part. We had more cool and rainy days than I'd like to remember. A couple of AM's I turned on the fireplace when I came downstairs to take the chill out of the kitchen/family room area.
Selective reporting. They will ignore places where it is cool, and only report on places where it is warmer than norman. SOP.
Update: OK, before anyone replies and asks "who's norman?" consider it corrected to "normal." LOL
Typical Pennsylvanians
June 9, 2008 - 12:04 ET by IgnatzJFahrquar"clinging" to the cold weather in the month of May. ;-)
Enjoy the warmth.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
Here in eastern NC we have
June 9, 2008 - 12:37 ET by ricklailHere in eastern NC we have had about 4 days in a row in triple digits. Several records have been set for this time of the year. No big deal. Maybe July and August will be cooler. The big Bermuda high that normally causes these type temps in July and August has just showed up early.
“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7
What global warming?
June 9, 2008 - 11:32 ET by SGriffisI never much cared for hot weather except when I'm swimming, but my 81 year old mother is enjoying her month long visit with my sister in Texas where it is sweltering.
This "in Texas where it is
June 9, 2008 - 12:08 ET by Dan The Man 2This "in Texas where it is sweltering" is not quite sweltering, in Texas it is sweltering when the temperature reaches 105 for 10 to 15 days in a row and the humidity is close to 90 percent. Now that is sweltering even by Texas standards.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Divorce: Sideways Kind Of
June 9, 2008 - 11:35 ET by JDWI found this last night and really liked it.
JDW
Will Ted Kennedy help write the universal health care bill?
Love the cake! LOL! Hey
June 9, 2008 - 11:53 ET by motherbeltLove the cake! LOL!
Hey that's capitalism....find a need and fill it!
I think it was the old "Judging Amy," the judge was asked to perform a "divorce ceremony"...sort of a wedding in reverse.....formal and friendly revocation of vows....
Marriage and divorcel- American style.
What the Media Didn’t
June 9, 2008 - 11:36 ET by ckc1227What the Media Didn’t Tell You About Friday’s Unemployment Spike....
Great article CKC - I hadn't thought about the min wage
June 9, 2008 - 12:58 ET by Dee BunkI had already somewhat discounted the hype because of the month and was thinking we probably just had more graduates this year.
I hadn't thought about the impact of the minimum wage increase. I'm sure many jobs for high school graduates have been affected by that. It's not just the Federal min wage increase, many states like my own have increased it above the Federal one. In July 2008 the Fed one will be raised to $6.55 and in IL it will be raised to $7.75.
The hypocrisy and agenda of
June 9, 2008 - 11:39 ET by NL207The hypocrisy and agenda of the media know no limits. Here in the East, it has been unseasonably cool all year until this week. We had a hard winter and several late frosts, the last two of which hammered my tomatoes, peppers and eggplants. We get one week of sweltering weather, and suddenly it's Global Warming. What BS.
McCain/Obama Town Hall
June 9, 2008 - 11:40 ET by GothampcNew York City's mayor Michael Bloomberg offers to host the first Town Hall Meeting between McCain and Obama in New York City.
Does he choose fair and balanced Fox News (remembering that Bill O'Reilly hosted a great interview with Hillary Clinton)?
No, he tries to push Diane Sawyer off on them. So of course both candidates tense up at the thought and decide they don't want a media host (open to the press, but not sponsored by the press).
So the mind boggles at who will host these things. I have a frightened feeling it will be James Lipton from the Actor's Studio with his cheesy questions like "What is your favorite swear word?"
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/a-new-york-moment-waiting-to-happen/
From the "You can't make
June 9, 2008 - 12:00 ET by motherbeltFrom the "You can't make this stuff up" file:
A bunch of parents in Japan forced a school to present a play with the entire cast playing the lead (Snow White).
I kid you not. (h/t Neal Boortz)
No word on the plot or the dialogue.
Even the boys?
June 9, 2008 - 12:21 ET by GothampcWhew!! Do you know how hard it is to convince boys to wear a dirndl?
Yes, even the boys!! If
June 9, 2008 - 12:41 ET by motherbeltYes, even the boys!! If they hadn't they would have had a bunch of parents complaining that their sons were discriminated against because they weren't girls!
Frankly, I think it's hilarious. Hopefully the school did it tongue-in-cheek, to teach the parents a lesson, but who knows?
"No Dwarf and the Seventy
June 9, 2008 - 12:58 ET by Chris Norman"No Dwarf and the Seventy Snow Whites"?
2 shortages in 1!!
June 9, 2008 - 12:02 ET by sarcasmoSilver for Eagles, and truth from the US Mint about their potential sources. As usual, ordinary citizen bloggers are covering a news story financial journalism "professionals" won't touch...
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Here in the warming capital of the US of A...
June 9, 2008 - 12:05 ET by habbyguy(Phoenix Arizona east valley), it's been very, very cool. In fact, I only turned the air conditioning on for less than a week in May, and the pool is just now warming up enough to be comfortable.
But not to worry - the MSM would ignore a foot of snow in Phoenix during August now that it's against their stated agenda.
Haditha Acquittals & The Crickets
June 9, 2008 - 12:18 ET by CrashDid I miss all the apologies from Murtha, the MSM and the rest of the Hee Haw gang ... or is good news just bad news for the idiots on the left?
Murtha is just showing his
June 9, 2008 - 12:39 ET by ThisnThatMurtha is just showing his colors -- a bright yellow streak down his back.
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Here you go...
June 9, 2008 - 12:52 ET by Roger the ShrubberHere you go...
Shrub, that's absolutely
June 9, 2008 - 13:17 ET by ThisnThatShrub, that's absolutely disgusting. It's one thing for NBer's to speculate based upon hearing nothing so far; it's quite another to see this coward officially declare that he has nothing to say. His cowardice is astounding. He inflames the discussion by providing speculative accusations; then he says nothing? Know what that is?
There is nothing bad that I wouldn't wish on this SOB. Talk about showing true hatred for our military; and trying to use innocent Marines as pawns in his Hate America, power-grabbing, slimy approach. We need to clean house in Congress.
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Just so you know, a lot of
June 9, 2008 - 14:20 ET by motherbeltJust so you know, a lot of us are ashamed that Murtha is from Pennsylvania (thank God he's not from my district!)
"The trial is ongoing, so we are not going to comment at this time," said Matthew Mazonkey, a spokesman for Murtha.
Apparently, he is hoping against hope that one of the two remaining to be tried may yet be found guilty of something.
When the last two guys are acquitted, I want to see Murtha frog-marched up in front of the entire Congress to apologize, with C-Span covering the event.
Murtha should have the word 'Abscam' tattooed on his forehead
June 10, 2008 - 02:50 ET by Britcom---
Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Rush's Obama clips
June 9, 2008 - 12:30 ET by ThisnThatWow! Rush played two sound clips today (@12:10pm) of Obama's Thursday speech. What a stumbling, bumbling performance. Wow. NB needs to get hold of Rush's sound bytes today and make sure they are posted here. This was absolutely astounding to hear.
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
Thisn, NB already did it
June 9, 2008 - 13:19 ET by HermanoThisn,
NB already did it over the weekend. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/06/07/more-obama-gaffes-media-will-ignore
I couldn't believe my ears (not overly large ones) BO's inability to convey a simple message. I suspect his Handlers have taken steps to correct this.
Thanks. I missed this. And
June 9, 2008 - 13:27 ET by ThisnThatThanks. I missed this. And yes, I find it interesting that I know about this, now, from two sources: NB and Rush. Says a lot about the MSM and its protectionism, doesn't it -- not to mention its
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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber
TD Jakes and Obama
June 9, 2008 - 12:44 ET by ricklailSeveral weeks ago TD Jakes held a Back to the Bible Conference in Dallas. On Friday he is praising Obama. How can this man stand in the pulpit and "preach" on morality and then praise someone like Obama who advocates sexual deviancy and killing babies?
To me Jakes is a false prophet because he teaches the prosperity doctrine-gab it and grab it/name it and claim it. To the MSM he is considered a mainstream fundamentalist. Would hypocrite be too strong a word to use? The definition of a hypocrite is a funeral director trying to look sad at at $20,000 funeral.
“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7
T.D. Jakes
June 9, 2008 - 13:35 ET by GothampcI'm sad to hear this because I listened to Rev. Jakes every so often. For him to put an emphasis on race rather than belief system is sad.
"To me Jakes is a false prophet because he teaches the prosperity doctrine-gab it and grab it/name it and claim it."
You have a right to your religious beliefs, but the prosperity doctrine has a Biblical basis.
UH, how does that
June 9, 2008 - 14:23 ET by motherbeltUH, how does that prosperity doctrine-gab it and grab it/name it and claim it." actually work?
I'm serious, I have heard of it and seen it mentioned here before, but I'm a little unclear on it.
The Short Version of the Prosperity Message
June 9, 2008 - 15:13 ET by GothampcThe basic premise is that God wants His children to be prosperous in every area of their lives (money, family, job, health, friends, etc). There should be no lack in the life of a Christian (or a Jew for that matter). The point being that when people see Jehovah's followers prospering, they will turn to Him as the one true God (abandoning Mohammed, Buddah, atheism, etc).
You can find several scriptures to confirm this belief. Among them:
"Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart." Psalm 37:4
"Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant." Psalm 35:27
In order for there to be total prosperity in a Christian's life, they must speak the scriptures that they want to manifest in their lives. This belief is taken from Genesis 1 - God spoke everything into being and made man in His image (i.e. a speaking spirit). Also it is direction from Mark 11:23 where Jesus said:
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Thanks. That's kind of what
June 9, 2008 - 15:47 ET by motherbeltThanks. That's kind of what I thought, but I wasn't sure.
You believe God will give
June 9, 2008 - 15:50 ET by Dan The Man 2You believe God will give you what you want and not what you need. It is sorta like using God as a wish machine, if you did not get what you wished for then you need to pray more and possibly give more. In other words your faith is bad. TD Jakes
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
God is a Giver
June 9, 2008 - 16:28 ET by Gothampc"You believe God will give you what you want and not what you need. It is sorta like using God as a wish machine, if you did not get what you wished for then you need to pray more and possibly give more. In other words your faith is bad."
If you align yourself with the promises God makes in the Bible, then you aren't using Him as a wish machine. You are accepting what He is freely giving.
Prayer and giving and faith are part of the Christian belief whether you believe in the prosperity message or not. There is always room to strengthen all three.
God judges the heart and He can determine whether you are asking out of greed or not.
Weather Report
June 9, 2008 - 12:53 ET by QueenMumHere in Northeastern Ohio it's been pretty hot. We turned on the A/C Wednesday of last week. It seems that over the past few years our climate has settled into a Winter-Summer cycle. Spring and Fall are either non-existent or very brief. This winter was very long with lots of snow. I'm surprised that, thus far, we haven't had the bad storms and tornados that have pounded other Midwestern states. (Knock on wood.) But then, it's usually in July when we get the tornadic weather here.
The early hot weather hasn't seemed to have had any negative effects on our plants, trees, or grass. Everything is healthy and thriving. I'm hoping this means that the sweet corn crop will be coming in early. :)
Drudge a traitor?
June 9, 2008 - 13:41 ET by AndersonDid anyone else notice the Drudge Report today? He has a big picture up showing gas prices at 406 & 9/10 a gallon for regular, almost 7 cents higher than the national average, along with the banner headline "DOUBLED IN A YEAR." Who's side is Drudge on, anyway? I though he was pulling an oar in our long boat. Next thing you know, he will attribute this gas price mess to our glorious president and Rush will pick up on it, too.
George W. Bush recently went to Saudi Arabia to talk to King Addullah to get him to lower his oil prices. And what did the MSM cover about the trip? The King told Bush no and the MSM made the trip out to be a failure. So typical of the way the media treats our president! And now Drudge is piling on, too. When will it stop?
Let us not forget that when George W. Bush ran for president in 2000, he promissed in a debate to use his influence and political capitol with the Saudi's to keep oil prices reasonable. We can all be proud that he is a man of his word, even though the oil shieks rebuffed him.
So you don't want any news
June 9, 2008 - 13:50 ET by balboaSo you don't want any news outlets to mention the price of gas?
News
June 9, 2008 - 14:02 ET by AndersonIt may be news that gas prices hit $4/gallon, but the national average IS NOT $406 & 9/10 a gallon as Drudge's picture intimates. Again, I thought he was pulling an oar on our long boat. Is he on George Soros' payroll now?
Did you see the article on the front page of the New York Times about how all the poor Southern folks are really get hit hard by gas prices? No meat on the tables, changing jobs to work closer to home, borrowing money from their bosses for gas, etc., etc. The times put up a U.S. map displaying percentage of income being diverted to fuel costs by region. I swear, it looked just like the red states/blues states map, except the Times chose different colors. Liberalism at it's finest; class warfare by map color and income levels as affected by gas prices. Phooey, I say.
Bush's 'Influence'
June 9, 2008 - 14:46 ET by JDWWho had a plan to reduce fuel costs in 2006?
What are Bush's options in reducing these costs?
What are the costs?
Who is interested in eliminating the costs?
JDW
Will Ted Kennedy help write the universal health care bill?
Trickle Me This!
June 9, 2008 - 15:32 ET by CrashIt is a big deal for those who didn't invest in the energy sector. Our gas costs hasn't exceeded the high price of socialized countries; Europe, UK and the like. Still our fleet fuel costs went up by a $$ half-million dollars $$ from 2006-2007. Who knows how high they'll rise this year. All I know is we've raised our product prices to offset our loss. So, expect to pay more the next time you dine out.
And now, today's crap actor
June 9, 2008 - 12:58 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's crap actor Rupert Everett-free Shrub Report®:
Teens are finding jobs are scarce these days. Oddly, nobody even bothers to consider the increase in the minimum wage as one of the causes. Sloppy reporting by the "right wing" Trib Review, while the always left-leaning Toledo Blade actually mentions the truth.
A judge who dresses like a pedophile refuses to deport a fellow pedophile.
Today's example of lefttarded "unintended consequences": not only is this a rather insipid examples of liberal "thinking", combining the fallacy of global warming with less-than-intelligent politicians, but I wonder how the 3-minute idling ordinance would work in Minneapolis in the dead of winter?
Speaking of "unintended consequences" and inept government, here's a fun story out of NJ.
Whoops!
Meet The Jeffersons. You can't make this stuff up.
The icing on the cake is that this happened in Cleveland. At least this Shrubber is thankful he does not live in the Chapel Hill area…
The new slogan of the Left.
Today's time-waster.
A glimpse at Obama's (not so) visionary plan for the future of Iraq. Meanwhile, The Hopeful Changer goes for a ride…
The Picture of the Day: Kung-Fu Panda crushes the competition, has its way with Jack Black.
Thank God the Democrat(ic)s in the US Senate are trying to tackle the important issues.
Today's Religion of Peace Update, and a bonus update you’re our favorite Muslim apologist douchebag.
Today in Moonbat History: on this date, in 1989, Chrissie Hynde, to avoid lagel action against her, signed a document pledging to NEVER repeat what she had recently said about firebombing a McDonald's for the sake of animal rights…
I have always said that if
June 9, 2008 - 13:17 ET by ricklailI have always said that if the state of NC needed an enima they put the hose in in Chapel Hill.
“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7
The Minneapolis/3 minute
June 9, 2008 - 14:34 ET by motherbeltThe Minneapolis/3 minute idle thing doesn't surprise me at all. Minnesota, in general, and Minneapolis, in particular are strong liberal bastions. I lived there in the Twin Cities area before coming to Pennsylvania.
Whenever I hear another story like this, I am reminded of my favorite KSTP radio talk-show host Joe Soucheray, who called Minnesota "the state where absolutely nothing is allowed."
When I was in grade school
June 9, 2008 - 13:16 ET by mattmWhen I was in grade school they told us an Ice Age was coming. I got a little scared, but I figured I could always move. After a few years of typical weather I forgot about the coming Ice Age.
Then Al 'Chicken Little' Gore came out (in 1993 on PBS kids shows because they have to start the brainwashing early) with his APGW hype, and I instantly knew it was a lie.
It angers me that we have to pay $4.00/gallon (and everything else) because of a frickin' LIE!
Everytime I fill up, I think of Al Gore on PBS in 1993 telling kids how the oceans will boil over like a 2 liter soda bottle left out in the sun.
Some thoughts from a thinking man--
June 9, 2008 - 14:15 ET by misterbillThey fly in the face of NB's "critical thinker, but it's nice to know what others think:
"Protectionism is the structuring of trade policy to protect the national sovereignty, ensure economic self-reliance, and “prosper America first.” It was the policy of the Republican Party from Abraham Lincoln to Calvin Coolidge. America began that era in 1860 with one half of Britain’s production and ended it producing more than all of Europe put together. Is this a record to be ashamed of?
Compare protectionism’s success to Bush’s record. Since 2001, he has presided over the seven largest trade deficits in history, the loss of 3.5 million manufacturing jobs and the collapse of the dollar, and added but one-fifth of the private sector jobs Bill Clinton created. Gold has gone from $260 an ounce to $1,000, oil from $28 a barrel to $100.
“Nativism” is another smear term, dating to the early 1850s and the Know-Nothing Party, which sought to halt immigration after millions of Irish flooded in following the famine of 1845. It carries a connotation of xenophobia, the fear and hatred of foreigners.
Thus does Bush tar critics who deplore his dereliction of duty in failing to defend this nation’s borders against a Third World invasion that may turn this Republic into a Tower of Babel.
From 1924 to 1965, there was indeed little immigration. Does that make Coolidge, Hoover, FDR, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, and Kennedy knuckle-dragging nativists? When JFK took office, we were as united and strong a country as we have ever been. How did we suffer from not having 12 to 20 million illegal aliens here? "
Protectionism
June 9, 2008 - 15:56 ET by UnsaneThe last protectionist President we had was Herbert Hoover. (Of course, in those days he lived in a very protectionist world to begin with.) About 15 years and several million gallons of blood later...
And of course, here you go again....Unsane is a free trade supporter, so that of course means he LOVES illegal immigration. Lying about what I think about issues gets you nowhere.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Once again you call me liar---
June 9, 2008 - 19:23 ET by misterbillOnce again you call me liar---You are one hell of a paranoid. The words in italics are from a noted writer. I reread the article to see how I lied about you. It is a stretch to even think that article says that. I know you are opposed to illegal immigration, You have so stated --many times and I believe you.
You can continue to use your perverted paranoid attitude all you wish. I will not allow you and your continouosly calling me a liar prevent me from posting my attitudes. Obviously everyone agrees with you since no one has ever challenged you on it or your insults except me.
You sir are either a liar or a sick man. Let's agree to avoid responding to each others postings regardless of how we interpret them.
And to all the rest thanks for your support.
Final post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 9, 2008 - 19:31 ET by misterbillscrew it --I quit----------
I am too old to challenge anyone to a duel, but by God, I don't have to put up with false accusations.You, Unsane, are an ignorant ass and I have had my fill of you and all your insults.
Newsbuster editors , please remove me from registration.
I have removed my internet email address.
Wow...misterb...you just
June 9, 2008 - 19:42 ET by bigtimerWow...misterb...you just broke my heart...I was posting post below to you when I came back and saw your post above now...so I am responding to you again now.
Please do not leave because of your difference and anger over one poster.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Please don't.
June 10, 2008 - 05:32 ET by sarcasmoI've never seen you lie here, and I like how you think even when we disagree. This forum would be worse without good people like you. I join the others who urge you to reconsider leaving.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Hey hey hey misterb.... I
June 9, 2008 - 19:36 ET by bigtimerHey hey hey misterb....
I don't support anyone calling you a liar...I also don't see all the posts you and Unsane have until later, if then...I also am not well informed as either of you on all of this.
You well know how I feel about illegal immigration though and how hard I fought against the Senate with McCain leading the way on our side of the aisle, along with you and a handful of others here....it was a great victory twice...I will never forget.
I thank goodness for patriots on our side of the aisle too that fought McCain like Sessions and Cornyn, plus others.
Just wanted you to know.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Mr. Bill... A short
June 9, 2008 - 19:41 ET by Clear thinkerMr. Bill...
A short message from a friend..... There are others here that like and enjoy you and your thoughts. Don't let one person drive you away. I think I can speak for others and say 'you are one of the good guys'!
Please rethink your actions.
"Abstain from McCain"
Ugh...
June 10, 2008 - 05:23 ET by UnsaneThe problem I have is when I am routinely accused of supporting illegal immigration because I love free trade and have zero room for protectionism. This is a repeat occurrence among some posters here on NB and I am sick of it.
For only the millionth time: I have no tolerance for illegal immigration as it is a slap in the face of my own family. This is not a hard concept to grasp.
That, and I actually like paying relatively little for basics like food and clothing (compare that to Europe, where farmers are coddled and babied via the EU's CAP, and as a result, force Europeans to pay through the nose just to eat!). Free trade is a good thing. And, did you know that the United States, in spite of free trade allegedly destroying the economy and impoverishing everyone, was the #3 exporter in the WORLD last year?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
I'm for Free trade too
June 10, 2008 - 08:41 ET by Dee Bunkbut not for calling Mr. Bill a liar. I don't know how you took his post to be personally against you. He was just stating his opinions.
I think free trade discourages illegal immigration. I know that Mr. Bill disagrees with me on this, and I found nothing offensive about his post.
Look, I like him, but...
June 12, 2008 - 04:04 ET by UnsaneNo offense, but you are unaware of the history between misterbill and I. Notice the subject line in his post states something like "For NBs resident critical thinker". That is a specific attack aimed at me.
I like the guy, but ever since he became a Lou Dobbs disciple, he has changed for the worse. I have had my patriotism, among other things, attacked by him and others for DARING to say that free trade is a good idea.
Also, these hyper-protectionists think it is open season on me for my support for free trade, accusing me of everything under the sun from support of illegal immigration to being a traitor. I won't put up with it from anyone. Argue with me the merits of free trade all day long, but don't ever lie about me, lie about what I believe, or attack me in such ways for what I believe. I will shoot back for I am sick of it.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Misterbill
June 10, 2008 - 02:23 ET by BritcomYou should not feel alone. Unsane and I regularly go a few rounds in the ring over politics and he has called me much worse than a liar.
I believe unsane likes to argue to alleviate boredom in his military job which apparently has lots of downtime. So you shouldn't take what he says personally. He just wants you to have a brawl with him.
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Beliefs CAN be incorrect, as here
June 10, 2008 - 05:13 ET by UnsaneI believe unsane likes to argue to alleviate boredom in his military job which apparently has lots of downtime. You believe lots of things that are in the end completely incorrect. This is one of them. I am what is called a Reservist. A Reservist is...forget it.
He just wants you to have a brawl with him. Nah. Just more assuming and speculation on your part.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
I'm so sad about Mr. Bill
June 10, 2008 - 08:25 ET by Dee BunkIt was so nice to see him back on here even though I was never on at the same time as him. I hope he reconsiders. Mr. Bill was always a bright spot here. I was hoping to see more of him.
How about a Senate hearing on this:
June 9, 2008 - 14:52 ET by CrashHillary spent $109,823 per delegate...
She spent all of that money with nothing to show for it. At least big bad oil pays dividends to it's shareholders.
Atari, the Movie
June 9, 2008 - 14:58 ET by Britcom---
Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Can anyone tell me what is
June 9, 2008 - 15:54 ET by RESTLESS 1Can anyone tell me what is conspicously missing from the recommendations in this article for Consumer Watchdog?
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Hmmm... Could you mean
June 9, 2008 - 16:00 ET by MassConservHmmm... Could you mean something like increased domestic retrieval and refining capacity?
Folks,
June 9, 2008 - 16:10 ET by RESTLESS 1We have a winner!!! Congatulations, you win one headache from liberal policies, and one roll of duct tape from Motherbelt to keep your head from exploding, again, due to liberal economic policies. Thanks for playing. :)
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Darn
June 9, 2008 - 16:12 ET by MassConservAnd here I was hoping I'd win a free gallon of gas. :-(
;-)
Dude,
June 9, 2008 - 16:16 ET by RESTLESS 1I ain't made of money, ya know. Hell, I had to outsource the headache AND the duct tape. :(
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I guy can dream...
June 9, 2008 - 16:23 ET by MassConservI guy can dream...
Canada