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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: President Bush mocks the media, the candidates, and himself at his final White House Correspondents' Ball.

Must-see video available here (h/t NBer bigtimer).

Watch the whole thing, for it's very entertaining (picture courtesy AP).

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DUCT TAPE ALERT!!!!

Just a quick hit before I head out to Mass...

Howard Dean in on MTP right now. Russert asked him what happens to black Americans, who are loyal to democrats, if Obama doesn't get the nomination?

And Dean is pussy-footing around about "hypotheticals" and then goes on a riff about how it's Republicans who divide Americans into blacks, Hispanics, gays.....

This, he says with straight, dead-serious face!!!!

This is interesting

The dem voters in Florida have been disenfranchised by the DNC's controlling rules.  And the DNC thus far will not allow the Florida delegation to be seated at the convention.

Yet the Florida Super Delegates (yes, the same folks who apparently moved the Florida primary date, thus resulting in this lovely, lovely sticky wicket) are not only going to get to vote....they obviously have ideas about what's "good" for the party (read....are Hillary supporters).

This is rich, beyond words. 

Rush is right...there will be rioting, only the fault won't lie at the Supreme Commander's feet....I'd say it belongs squarely with the Florida democrats.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

I can't wait to see what is

I can't wait to see what is going to happen here in NC. All the polls point to an Obama win by 10 points. There has been a lot of Reps changing party before the deadline. I suspect it in response to Operation Chaos. I am unaffliated so I can declare which primary I want to vote in. I will go vote next Saturday for Hillary and to vote against this nimrod that is running for governor, Bev Perdue.

"A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself, but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself." A.W. Tozer (Pharisee=modern day liberal)

Sharpton's tactics

Why does Sharpton continue to get invited on TV programs like Fox News? His latest tactic: Sharpton vows to 'close this city' after officer acquittals.

Sharpton tries to compare himself to MLK -- but in reality, all he wants is violence. He led a march in Harlem yesterday, getting everyone (blacks) riled up enough to make comments like this: some bystanders yelled out "Kill the police!"

This is a disgusting individual who deserves to be jailed; and certainly should never be shown again on any news channel.

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If you look down these

If you look down these pages there is an article where Overbite wants Rush charged for inciting a riot if there is violence at the DNC. Why is he not calling for the same thing for Sharpton? I could care less if Sharpton wants to shut down NYC. From what I heard on the news he only had a 100 people at his protest.  

"A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself, but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself." A.W. Tozer (Pharisee=modern day liberal)

Well, that's simple: Rush

Well, that's simple: Rush is "inciting to violence" and Sharpton is demanding "justice." (No justice, no peace!!)

<sarc>

"he only had a 100 people

"he only had a 100 people at his protest". That's my point. Why does he command all this undeserved attention from the cable news channels?

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President Bush

Whom would you rather have as next-door neighbors: The Bushes, The Clintons, or the Obamas? Not a hard choice.

BTW-- As with Lincoln, history will prove Bush right. 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Trying to take Playboy away from Military?

For troops that sacrifice so much to defend our freedom, A Stick in the the mud politician now want to impose his will on what is morally acceptable or not

Paul Broun (R-GA) is deeply troubled that a loophole might allow our Military to buy Playboy magazine.

He wants to impose his moral viewpoint and ban the sale of Playboy.

When asked why it is okay for the government to impose their viewpoint. His spokespersons response was weak at best.

"taxpayer dollars are involved — “used to pay military salaries"

Don't these politicians have anything else better to do?

 

 

Shawn - Why do you think the government should advocate this?

Of course the government should not be selling pornography. This bill would do nothing to stop people in the Military from buying it from other sources or getting it mailed to them or having it in their possession.

Wal-mart Doesn't sell it, Walgreens doesn't sell it, many places don't sell it because it's offensive to some of their customers. The government certainly shouldn't be condoning it. That is quite different from banning it.
I could care less if people buy or view pornography. Pornography doesn't offend me. That isn't the point. The point is, it rightly offends people and is not something the government should be in the business if distributing. At the very least it could be deemed sexist. If the company I worked for had an on site store with pornography I think they could get in trouble with the law if their female workers were offended.

actually Dee

I agree with much of what you say and you make some very good points. I'm just saying lots of Military men enjoy Playboy. I find it a shame that a politician is making a mountain over a molehill.

There's no mountain made by the congressman

The mountain would be being made by people who oppose him. There is no good reason for the government to supply this stuff. Period. They can get it elsewhere.

Dee

I do not see what the big deal is. It is not usually sold where Glamour or Fortune Magazine is. It wrapped in plastic with a warning.

Yes the cover page is usually provacative, but nothing worse that a SI episode

The big deal is that the Government shouldn't be giving it's

approval to it. There is no reason for it. They can get it elsewhere. Don't tell me that it's no big deal, give me one good reason why the government should provide it for them when they can get it somewhere else.

If that's the argument,

If that's the argument, then they shouldn't be providing any magazines.

Lots of military men like Playboy

That is my reason. It will probably not be good enough for you, but I feel it is their choice to buy it or not. Also the government is not buying it for them, lots of the stores on many bases are privately owned. The government is trying to actually ban the sale rather than not provide it.

I would fear that this might set a precedent that might ban the possesion of anything deemed indecent. Let me ask you this, would you be against the possesion of Playboy or Penthouse on a military base? 

What a silly mag

Again, I find it amusing what Leftists will rush to defend in terms of freewill and choice, while fighting desperately to deprive freewill and choice in other areas. But I shall leave that for now.

Shawn, forget Playboy!!!  A silly, silly mag, that if a bunch of dudes want to blow hard earned coin on it, military or not, let 'em have it.  As for me, all I really need, I have: the September 2007 edition of Shape.  Look at its cover and figure out why I would have that particular mag.  :-)

I have more pressing questions here in the desert.  Like: why the f#$k can't I get The Economist out here???  And, why is it that the issues I get are weeks old?  :-)  (Fortunately, that is made up some by my access to economist.com!)

Well, at least I get the occasional Foreign Affairs and Foreign Policy.  Those are critical.  They make for great reading on long flights. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Unsane good to see ya

To be honest. I have not bought a Playboy for yrs. I was just defending the right for someone to buy it on a military base

You might just chg your mind about buying a Playboy if the issue, involved a certain tennis player? :-)

Don't deprive me of fun here!

Actually...I would.  My curiousity would be answered.  That's no fun.

Seriously, shawn, my fave pics of said tennis hottie show her fully clothed.  I'm just odd that way, I guess.  That goes for virtually any female I like.  My brain needs stimulation, and imagination goes a long way towards doing that.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

maria

I realize you enjoy keeping the head sharp, but don't deprive the other.

I guess if you ever lived out your fantasy of getting Maria Sharpova, instead of getting some Y bone steak, you would rather do some dirty talk and discuss the square root of pie? :-)

I am a 100% pure gentleman :-)

I ONLY dream of what it would be like if My Favorite Russian Tennis Hottie were my Russian language tutor.  :-) 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

shawn... This

shawn...

This congress-critter isn't the first to bring this exact issue up and try to get passed, I think it was Bob Barr who first did this that I remember....way back now...lol....anyway obviously it got nowhere.

I could look it up about Barr, but I remember the argument on the House floor...I may look later, I am in between things at the moment.

Just wanted to throw that in here...all of you continue on...it has been interesting... the different views and all. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

as Dee said

there is a big difference between not allowing something and MY TAX dollars enabling it.  As Dee said they are not saying the military can't have Playboy just that it should not be sold by their employer using my money. 

Shawn, any time you can not get the law to enforce YOUR MORALS on us you try to claim we are forcing ours on you.  It gets old bro.

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Right Bruce - that is what liberals do all the time

I can't tell you how many arguments I've had with friends where they claim the religious right is trying to force their religious beliefs on them . When I ask them to name some laws that have even come close to passing in the last couple decades, they can't come up with one.

I tell them I can name dozens of laws where liberals have imposed their beliefs by law on others. There are seat-belt laws, smoking laws, abortion laws, banning ID in schools, forcing sex ed (which I don't have a problem with) and many others.

Shawn and this other guy sit there and compare this to Sheria law and it's absurd. They can't tell the difference between making a law that forces something on people vs one that keeps the government out of the issue.

have a good day Dee, got a

have a good day Dee, got a lot to do, see ya

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Dee your over analyzing

I never once said liberals were not hyprocrites and I do not condone lots of things they do either.

The only reason I agreed with the other guy comparing it to Sharia, law is just like it is apples and oranges. Just like iveseenitall is trying to compare selling Playboy to adults as the same as selling it in a public school

Bruce is saying I am trying to force my beliefs on other people, when clearly this politician is trying to close a loophole, to take a form of entertainment away from many who enjoy it.

botg

I doubt your money has anything to do with it. They probably have a private vendor on the base, your are just allowing it.

Playboy

Playboy, Hustler. Penthouse, etc., like condoms, should be distributed in our public schools. Why not? If you don't know, you've probably been educated in the public schools.

BTW, great point about that "liberal" bugaboo "sexism", Dee.

NEVER, NEVER turst a "liberal"

i'veseenitall

Unlike Dee, you are making some pretty silly statements. The men and woman of our armed forces are grown ups and have the right to view what they want.

Now you are making the children comparision to hit home your point of indecency. Nice!

...many places don't sell

...many places don't sell it because it's offensive to some of their customers....

sharia law anyone?

 

Thank you :-)

Thank you :-)

No - it's nothing like Sharia law

There is no comparison at all

No

It has nothing to do with imposing your beliefs on anyone else [sharia law]

The owner of a store has the right to decide what to sell and what not to sell. If he sees that customers are offended by something, he's smart to not offer it for sale, as it may cost him business. If there was a law that said he was not allowed to sell the magazine, that would fall under "sharia" type laws. His free choice to cater to the desires of those with whom he chooses to do business does not.

Chai

“A liberal is a man who will give away everything he doesn’t own.” —Frank Dane

Were I...

Were I president, I wouldn't be attending these stupid things. They are beneath the dignity of the presidency.

Ah come on Warner

It is nice to see the President loosen up a little. It was all in good fun. Except for that whole Stephen Colbert fiasco.

delete

delete

WTH... You have a point

WTH...

You have a point there that's for sure...but since they do I thought quite a bit of it last night was great, the dig at the press was grrrreat in different areas, of course for the most part they do not find it one bit funny...no sense of humor when it comes to them....I'm still laughing.

Btw...NB staff thanks for the hat-tip, is surprised me this morning.

I had fun last night on OT with it...especially me getting Ferguson mixed up with Kilbourne (sp)...and I'm part Scottish....anyway, I really liked the guy, first time I ever heard him, man he got some good digs in...and he appreciates this country and had no problem saying so after he just became a US citizen himself. He said a lot last night. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Disagree

 They are beneath the dignity of the presidency.  Upholding the dignity of the presidency does not mean checking your humanity at the White House door and turning into a robot of some sort.  I think it is good for the President to do this sort of thing on occasion.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

more gov wrongdoing

Just pointing out more government wrongdoing. If the government can make a tax dollar or save a tax dollar, you can bet Old Uncle Sammy is involved all the way up to his neck.

I agree the government should not encourage, sanction, supply or sale pornography. It is offensive to a lot of people, especially to women. But, at the same time, this government should also not be involved (tax dollars) in the killing of millions of innocent unborn babies, involved in guns/ammo, bombs, armament supply, liquor, horse racing, dog racing, lotteries, casinos, cigarettes, etc.... Government involvement, by allowing and profiting from, is also very offensive to millions of people. Wrong is wrong.

Walmart and the like do not sell pornography because there is not enough profit margin for their trouble, not because it's offensive to people. Walmart has no trouble selling beer, wine, cigarettes, guns/ammo, violent computer/video games, violent and sexually explicit movies/music, etc....

Government/FCC allowing violence on TV to continue unabated. No internet oversight/easy access. Why? It is offensive to millions of people. Too much revenue involved, besides, it would just relocate to Canada/Mexico out of this government jurisdiction.

Now here is a dream come

Now here is a dream come true if it would only happen...I would love to see nothing more than this nutcase replace the one we have helping to destroy this county big time.

Wonder if Soros and his ilk are going to help her out any....LMAO.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Looking bad for the

Looking bad for the Bill/Hill machine....wonder what he was promised....

The heat is on....

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Shawn, more Congress/Senate people get Playboy than military

I would suspect that more people who work in Congress/Senate, their minions, etc, buy(probably are given it free) more Playboy and other porno stuff than our military do! 

CNN is having the NAACP

CNN is having the NAACP live with Wright!

It is absolutely outrageous, I mean outrageous like I have never heard... from what I have caught so far by this SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS Rev. Anthony....

I am furious already....

Check it out!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

I had the Fox stream on my

I had the Fox stream on my PC in the background when this ranting noise started. I had to mute the sound because he's giving me a headache. Not kidding.

This guy introduing the Hate Preacher is a ranting nutcase. Hysterical, barely on the edge of control screaching. There they go again, scaring them white folks, and the horse they rode into town on.

I guess this is the type of non-seperation of church and state politics, liberals like.

 

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Jack... I don't know if

Jack...

I don't know if you are still following this infuriating racist, yes racist as far as I am concerned BS...but these people are mad IMO...mad I tell you...Obama either already has to know about what is coming and approves or he may as well kiss his arse good-bye as far as I am concerned, with friends like these....

Btw...I know the msm will down play all of this for their messiah, but this isn't going to be forgotten, I wonder if Wright will perform as good with the NPC....

OMG is all I can say...

Btw...did you catch the Rev. A make reference to Pres. Bush's service when he was SCREECHING!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

→ Different not deficient

What a beautiful speech Wright is giving.

He says everybody talks different so it's OK for fathers to desert their kids.  That's pretty much what I'm getting from it.

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CHANGE is GONNA'

CHANGE is GONNA' COME!

This is pure hatred, anger like I have never seen screamed out for all to see...

Pure racial Madness.

Period. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Silly bt and Jack!!! You

Silly bt and Jack!!!

You just don't understand how black folks like to have their meetings! It's a cultural thing.

<sarc>

Oh mb...he is showing his

Oh mb...he is showing his cultural thing in many voices....imitating JFK, LBJ, on and on, singing dancing...he is getting his 15 minutes of fame and I do think Hollywood will be ringing his phone off the hook starting tonight...this is something else....

This is all unexplainable unless you watch it...I am speechless for a moment...

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

You guys never seen an Orgasm by NCAAP members ?

This would be a Sexist Comment....not a Racists one.

There are some things I just don't wanna see...not interested in seeing.....and a Ranting Racists Screaming preacher tyring to "Get a Witness" on Stage....is on my List and most of the List has been Evangelical White guys....but I'm beginning to Intergrate the List....thanks to Obama's personal preferences, and MSM's support of same.

Thanks for you NB guys/gals, for giving me a Brief insight....but I ain't watchin the Video.

JT...don't blame you...I

JT...don't blame you...I had no idea it was on when I flipped the channel from Fox to CNN and this was going on, you need at least two rolls of duct tape to listen to it all...unbeleievable is all I can say.

Btw...when I said Obama may as well kiss his rear good-by above, I meant as far as his Presidency, I do think the fix is in for him making the general...but his chances of ever making Prez are few and far between, I don't care how many dead people they have vote nation-wide.

This is happening to the Hill/Bill campaign today...more most likely to come on down the road too...looking pretty bleak I'd say, wonder what he was promised....lol. 

All this just breaks my heart all the way around...sniffle...sniffle...boo-hoo...

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

→ Obama Bait and Switch

Is he blind?  How is it Obama can play his condescending pity party with his left coast buddies, (silly fools clingin' to guns and worshipin' God)

Meanwhile, back at Chicago, Barack's hometown buddies are doing more than clinging to their guns, they're using their guns on each other.

OK Barack, maybe folks in my town do have a pimple, but your townfolk have cancer, and you're too busy making zit jokes to realize what's going on.

What's it up to in Chitown this weekend? 47 shootings and counting?

Give me a small town.

Shove your elitist condescension Barack. 

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Freezing in Florida....Finally made the NYT ?

This NYT article says it was 25 degrees n Tampa, and even Colder in Northern Florida....27 in Miami....due to Repeat Tonight..

FRUIT harvest is Frozen......and it doesn't make the "Equivalent to" Global Warming front page news ? ?

AGENDA...someone has a GW Agenda.....and IT"S FROZEN !!

 

I don't get it. This

I don't get it. This article is dated February, 1996. 12 years ago.

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Uh-Oh JT...now you got to

Uh-Oh JT...now you got to admit that is funneeeee...

Here is a global warming for ya'....

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

BT

Now that's current headline material. In addition, North Dakota had a record snowfall; and I didn't hear any news reports about 100 miles of Interstate 94 shutting down in Minnesota on Saturday. Although no roads were closed in North Dakota,  3-foot drifts blocked highways in some places

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Big Tee.....Yep, BUT It was still True...Cold spring this year

It was FUN...looking back...

We have some Forecasts surfacing for Fruit crops being down this year (2008) because of the cold Spring weather....This news is not making the MSM/NYT .....

It's a COLD SPRING. 2008...REPORT IT !!!! Quit talking about Obama and Clinton and the Recession

OK..THis in That.....U want Current Events..here ya go

That was an Historical Reference Point, of when the NY Times would report COLD Spring weather....12 years ago as you saw.

Here is a Current Event for this years Cold Spring...which is also hurting Fruit Crops...along with High Gas and everything else..

Check out the Video of the Guys on the Golf course in the Snow...

Hey JT...I think the way

Hey JT...I think the way you presented it is why we were giggling if you know what I mean...glad to see another west coast guy here...I'm gonna' be getting some of that snow here starting tomorrow most likely...as if we haven't had enough, this is rare, getting old and I am going to kill anybody I meet that ever says the words global warming and means it....heheheeeeee ...we are way below normal temps too...I am on the Id./Mt state line about thirty miles south of the Canadian border, we get the Spokane stations for our local news, and that is Wa....unless you live around here and understand the area it sounds nuts.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

JT

Agree with BT, it just came across as funny. Knew what you meant all along, just couldn't figure out why the aged article was mentioned by the NYT.

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Big Tee...Heck, I 've only been here 2 weeks..

I just arrived in Seattle 2 weeks ago...and This is all I've been hearing...and If I had stayed in Baltimore..I would NOT have heard a peep from the NY Times or MSM....But as you saw...they USED to Report it. 1996 was maybe the last time it (cold Weather) will ever make the MSM...keep it for the Archives....

Texas (my Official home) has been warm as Toast for weeks/month, but it's a different story north in Fly over Country.....Hey, the Northern states grow food also...it just ain't Rice....It's Winter/Spring Wheat that's been doing Great.

 

Hey JT...you do move around

Hey JT...you do move around friend...we broke 120+115 yr. old records here in these areas according to the weather-guessers here on the Spokane stations about a week or less ago...have fun, the coast where you are is in rare form....tell that to algore.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

It was a COLD spring in Baltimore also...but no NYT Reporting

I had to Drive 1320 miles Balt. to Texas....Buy a Car....Drive to Durango CO. to pick up my Ex-Army son to take over the Steering wheel, he is down from the Job on the SKi Slopes...and he Said..Telluride could have stayed open there was so Much Snow...

Durango was another 950 miles, then it was another 1300 to Seattle. I expected Nice weather...and Got snowed on in Seattle....I lived here in 78-82, and I don't remember Snow in April...? Late April at that.

It's the Sun Spots.....I moved north to greet the New Ice Age... Pretty Soon AL Gore won't be welcome North of the Mason Dixon line talking his GW Drivel.

Nobody laughed at Bush's Hysterical Joke...WOW..

Such Bias in attendence.... 

When Bush talked about the Presidential Candidates were not able to attend ........"Hillary couldn't make it into the Building because of Sniper fire, and Obama was at Church".....I was ROFLMAO

but the Audience was barely making any noise...but the laughs from the audience did "build" for awhile.....The Liberal "Correspondents" just can't take a Joke about their Joke Democratic Candidates...

I don't care who you are,...that was Funny..a Classic

 

Hey JT...the silence from

Hey JT...the silence from the press was delicious, it said it all when they had a fork stuck in 'em.....silence for the most part...I never laughed so hard, especially about the NYT's. I had a great time.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

McCain needs Bush's Joke Writers

Obama is a Joke...Hillary is a Joke...McCain could become a McLeno with the guys who wrote Bush's Correspondent's Dinner jokes.

Obama won't talk about issues anyhow...lets Laugh our way all the way to the Whitehouse this Year.

→ 47 shot, 12 dead

How 'bout that Chicago?  Great weekend for the South Side, huh?

Wait a minnit?  Isn't this the home town of our savior Barack Obama?  Flock of Jeremiah Wright?

So I guess clinging to guns is bad, but shooting people with them is OK.  Nice sermon there Reverand, and great "context" there, Obama.

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Re Correspondents’

Re Correspondents’ Dinner…

Am feeling a sense of nostalgia for President Bush already.  Despite his numerous shortcomings (immigration, spending, etc.), I have so much respect for this man’s conviction and steadfastness.  And the beating he has taken over the past 7-1/2 years… but he hasn’t responded with bitterness.

Vanity Fair to Publish Kiddie Porn Images of 15 y.o Teen Celeb


Warning!!
the below linked article contains an image that may be disturbing, or even illegal for you to download.

15-year-old Miley Cyrus poses topless for Vanity Fair

"The teen star of the hit Disney show Hannah Montana, Miley Cyrus has
appeared topless in a photo shoot for Vanity Fair magazine."

Source: LiveNew.com.au


Below is a link the story without the image.

Miley Cyrus says Vanity Fair photo spread embarrasses her

Source: Associated Press

No raids by Child Protective Services as yet reported.

Most MSM stories are blaming the child for the photos, NOT the parents, or the photographer, or even Vanity Fair Magazine.

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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

I would hardly call this

I would hardly call this kiddie porn