For general discussion and debate. Possible talking points:
- Fed cuts discount rate...on a Sunday!
- JP Morgan buys Bear Stearns for $2/share!
- Stocks are tumbling around the world!
- Dollar heading lower with fears that it could become the new "carry trade" currency!
In the midst of all this, Alan Greenspan, who was the Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1987 to 2006, is warning that America could be facing its worst financial crisis since World War II. Whether he's right or wrong, how much are the current problems due to his monetary policies during the past three decades? Will media address this as they focus on what's happening in markets around the world, or will all the troubles be blamed on George W. Bush, tax cuts, and, of course, Iraq?
Comments Policy
Check out the Washington Post today...
March 17, 2008 - 10:08 ET by SyriusFYI,
Nice juxtaposition of two photos on page A8. The Article is about the cost overruns of the new 'Marine One' presidential helicopter fleet. The interesting part is how they framed the photos of Bush boarding Marine One and then below it- the great picture of Nixon boarding Marine One after his resignation with his arms wide and displaying the peace signs. Nice!
Syrius
"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott
Its the Post. I am
March 17, 2008 - 12:34 ET by BDIts the Post. I am surprised that they did not juxtapose a photo of Hitler climbing into a Feisler Storch.....
Are you saying...
March 17, 2008 - 13:33 ET by SyriusBD,
...Bush should be compared to the bunker thinking logic of Hitler?
Syrius
"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott
Please prove that the
March 17, 2008 - 13:37 ET by BDPlease prove that the administration has a "Bunker mentality."
I believe I could make a better case for the Dems have such a mentatility due to the failed tactics regarding Tax rates, defense policy, foreign policy, intelligence policy, etc.
Too much speculation?
March 17, 2008 - 10:24 ET by mattmI'm no stock/financial expert, but it seems to me that the Fed should not cut the discount rate when one of the major problems in the economy is that people have gotten themselves in too much debt?
Take oil prices, I believe a simple announcement of a plan to increase domestic oil production an refining capacity would trigger a drop in the per-barrel price. Am I wrong?
It seems to me that much of the trouble in the markets is too much trading and not enough real production of wealth.
mattm .. Take oil prices,
March 17, 2008 - 10:33 ET by Jack BauerAs Steve Forbes noted on Fox yersterday, an announcement that the US admistration and legislature intended to tap its massive oil reserves in Anwar and elsewhere, would have an immediate beneficial effect because the market deals in FUTURES.
But unfortunately, even McCain is in the tank to BIG ENVIRO.
I'm no stock/financial
March 17, 2008 - 11:10 ET by Evil CapitalistI'm no stock/financial expert, but it seems to me that the Fed should not cut the discount rate when one of the major problems in the economy is that people have gotten themselves in too much debt?
Our Fed is a joke - no one in our Fed is a business man. No one in our Fed ran a business. No one in our Fed has a clue about practical implications of their stupid economic policies.
The big issue is that we have multiple feedback loops in a system that no entity can control - Fed is an invention of a much simplier time when it was in fact possible to inject massive amounts of money into the system to force system to do X or Y. It is no longer the case.
Take oil prices, I believe a simple announcement of a plan to increase domestic oil production an refining capacity would trigger a drop in the per-barrel price. Am I wrong?
Yes, you are wrong - opportunity cost. Announcing that we will increase domestic oil production does not increase domestic oil production. It just provides the market in time when US says would do X. Only increase in actual oil production would have a chance to affect oil pricing. It may take too long to actually increase production or it may cost too much to increase it.
"Announcing that we will
March 17, 2008 - 11:40 ET by mattm"Announcing that we will increase domestic oil production does not increase domestic oil production."
Very true, the announcement would have to be viable and be followed by action.
Actually, a much quicker
March 17, 2008 - 11:44 ET by dscottActually, a much quicker response on gasoline prices would be to immediately suspend the 51 cent a gallon ethanol subsidy and the existing requirements on the minimum percentage of ethanol in fuel supply. This will introduce competition between ethanol and straight gas which will lower the cost. The Congress created the mess with gasoline prices not the crude oil prices. If you have been paying attention to demand and supply, the price of gas should have gone down!!!!! There is a glut of reformulated gasoline going into storage right now. The price of gasoline at this point is artifically high. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/twip_gasoline.html#demand
As far as the Fed is concerned, they can't cure a problem they had little to do with in it's creation. The problem is in the derivatives market, Bears Stearns got what was coming to them for the get rich quick schemes when they involved themselves in playing the insurance game on mortgages and other loans (CDOs). When a $30 stock ($3.84 billion) goes to $2 stock ($256 million), the valuation was all paper to begin with just like Enron. The derivatives market has to unwind to find the true value, so there will be a few more of these brokerage houses taking the hit just like Bears Stearns. If you own a financial services stock, get out now if it isn't already too late or short the stock.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
Markets derivatives etc.
March 17, 2008 - 16:18 ET by Ten7sFirst, let me say that I'm quite sad about what is taking place in the markets and economy vis-a-vis credit derivatives. I've been warning family and friends for more than 2 years about the credit derivatives problem and the likely catastropy that it poses for the markets and the economy as a whole. I've even posted some on the topic on various sites, including NB. Most of my family listened, and I got them into conservative investments before the Great-Unwinding started last August. A couple of my friends listened, but most didnt'. And I dare say that NO ONE on any of the sites listened to the least degree. In fact, I got either the cold shoulder or nasty replys for merely trying. So a few months ago, I stopped posting about it, even when invited.
BTW I too think that Fed involvement at this point is likely to only make things worse, and perhaps MUCH worse depending on what happens to the dollar. In any case, we're only about 7 months into what is likely to be a historically infamous financial event, the seeds of which were actually sown about 15 years ago (but I digress).
One way for the media to get some Greenspan context
March 17, 2008 - 10:37 ET by sarcasmoIs to read his own words from the ancient past. (Not that the entire "official" gold industry would ever be a bit dodgy, of course...)
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
THE AP trying to get IRAQ back in NEWS-BAD NEWS THAT IS!
March 17, 2008 - 10:51 ET by PawpawNIs it just me, or did everyone notice that this weekend and today lots of papers are running AP stories of "Are we just in the middle of the WAR IN IRAQ?", "Though the surge seems to be working, NEW SIGNS THAT WAR IN IRAQ FAR FROM OVER!", and many others like those. They're using all kinds of charts, all kinds of dates when things bad occurred, etc. Seems they want it back in news! What is going on, someone enlighten me please!
Paw
March 17, 2008 - 11:12 ET by MassConservNo, it's not just you. I've been noticing the same thing all over MSM. Iraq is coming back into the headlines and, of course, it's all bad news.
Funny, as noted all over NB, that when things were going well over there we didn't see a peep about Iraq. Now that a few more people are getting killed everything seems to be falling apart again.
How transparent can they be about it, anyway?
Juan Willams great on Ingraham
March 17, 2008 - 11:02 ET by Jack BauerLike many conservative here, I disagree with much of Juan Williams' soft-left views... but I just heard him on Laura Ingraham regarding the loony racist rev... and have to admit he was MAGNIFICENT.
He really skewered O'Bama's weak, weak excuses.
Well done Juan. It's nice to hear a sane African-American voice here speaking for lots of people.
Jack - I really like the way Juan Williams call people out on
March 17, 2008 - 11:16 ET by Dee Bunkrace bating. I don't agree with his socialist views either but I have a lot of respect for him because anytime I've seen a race topic come up he slams people for race baiting. He was a big defender of Bill Cosby if I remember correctly. I have respect for him because he doesn't seem to demonize.
I'd much rather see him as the Dem Presidential candidate than Obama. His views are probably just as left on everything but he's a lot more honest and honorable.
What are you saying Michelle "Black First" Obama is not sane?
March 17, 2008 - 12:30 ET by Daniel BakerSomeone once Spouses can have different likes and dislikes, but they must share their hatreds
DB -- well, I have forced
March 17, 2008 - 12:39 ET by Jack BauerDB -- well, I have forced myself to read her Princeton thesis.
She's certainly a pain. But sane?
Mmmmm, I'm not a psychiatrist, I only play one trying to impress women in bars.
Not successfully I might add. I need a new schtick.
Hey Jack... I heard part
March 17, 2008 - 13:20 ET by bigtimerHey Jack...
I heard part of Laura's show this morning too...didn't catch that part cuz I tuned to Rush...anyway Juan was also great on television this week-end, but he has been a Hill supporter all along, still he speaks the truth when it comes to Obama and the Wright matter...oh funny Rush is playing a clip form Juan now.
Btw...Did you hear Laura get HOT with the one caller after she had quite a few callers that support Obama and what Wright has said? It was priceless!
Juan...WHO is this guy? (meaning Obama for those of you in Rio Linda...lol)
BT -- oh the guy she held
March 17, 2008 - 13:24 ET by Jack BauerBT -- oh the guy she held over a break. That was great.
Cut to the chase -- WHAT IS IT YOU WANT? Money? What's the figure?
And he still couldn't stop disembling.
Jack... Bingo!!! ....'da
March 17, 2008 - 13:30 ET by bigtimerJack...
Bingo!!!
....'dat be the one!
ROFLoutloud funny!
I don't listen to her all that much because of other things going on in life, but this was the first time I have ever heard her hot, so hot I could feel it too....it was delicious.
UK has new Affirmative Action plans
March 17, 2008 - 12:19 ET by Daniel BakerWhich administration would enact more of these?
O'bama or Clinton
I watched the cnbc stock
March 17, 2008 - 13:15 ET by bigtimerI watched the cnbc stock talking heads and other shows this morning, the majority of them waiting in great delight and anticipation for their hoping the stock would free-fall....of course they try to act with a phony sober calm while reporting, Kudlow was great today on Morning Joe...especially when he told Malaise Mica she needed a new attitude...nicely of course...
Anyway...I also saw the dirty filthy intentional statement by Greenspan this morning....I wished the hell he would just shut his friggin' Greenspeak up....we need Andre Mitchell's old man around our economy as much as we need a hole in the head, this man slowly increased interest rates every single chance he could before he left...he makes me ill, he is a destructive overrated force that I cannot stand...never could....but the leftists in the msm loved him...they still do.
I am glad so far to see the stock down about 85 pts last I looked and oil down about four...we shall see what happens by the end of the day..but the poor msm are soooo disappointed.
Tells you all you need to know about them.
3:09 pm and stock(DOW) up 66
March 17, 2008 - 15:12 ET by PawpawN3:09 pm and stock(DOW) up 66! Keep moving up baby, see Greenspan turn to Blackspan(ypu know like being in the black)!
3:14 pm and up only 25 now! Rollercoaster!
March 17, 2008 - 15:17 ET by PawpawN3:14 pm and up only 25 now! Rollercoaster! Let's see what closing bell does?
DOW ends positive for day!
March 17, 2008 - 20:08 ET by PawpawNFrom the who'd have thunk it dept: "DOW ends positive for day!"
Happy St. Patrick's,
March 17, 2008 - 14:36 ET by Roger the ShrubberHappy St. Patrick's, everybody. Drink like Kennedy today!
Is this story a piece of hard news, or a leftie editorial? You decide.
The truth behind Spitzer is finally revealed!
The latest example of hope and peace by the Religion of Peace...
Rog... I am laughing so
March 17, 2008 - 14:43 ET by bigtimerRog...
I am laughing so hard at the Spitzer link!
OMG is all I can say...
Where's TP? You gave him some ammo.
Cheers!
bt, speaking of Spitzer,
March 17, 2008 - 15:57 ET by R D HelmOur South Coast League baseball team here in Georgia, the Macon Music, is having "Eliot Spitzer Night" on June 13th.
Fan # 9 gets a special prize. :-)
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
That Spitzer photo reminds
March 17, 2008 - 14:46 ET by Jack BauerThat Spitzer photo reminds me of a Star Trek character.
Can't quite place it. Ferengi??
Talking Alan Down from the Roof.....
March 17, 2008 - 14:41 ET by BarkerAmerica could be facing its worst financial crisis since World War II
Speaking of financial crisis', Alan Greenspan is fast becoming the Jimmy Carter of former Chairmen.
Just what's in Greenspan's portfolio? And could his wife, Andrea Mitchell, be pulling some strings?
And could his wife, Andrea
March 17, 2008 - 14:50 ET by bigtimerAnd could his wife, Andrea Mitchell, be pulling some strings?
Barker...IMO she has been for quite awhile now...after-all as I am sure you know this is not the first time he has issued statements here in the USA and overseas that lean very much towards hurting our market, therefore this administration...he is doing this intentionally no doubt...as far as I am concerned this has been and is an agenda all along.
As far as I know he may have some deep seeded motive for doing this too...along with Andrea.
I rarely post about the market, but I do pay attention at all times for years.
This could only happen in a government school.
March 17, 2008 - 14:58 ET by R D HelmThis is beyond idiotic.
(h/t Boortz.com)
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
The Blue state near me,
March 17, 2008 - 15:19 ET by FastEdjust got a new govenor - a better person, in many ways, than Spitzer, but he now faces a tough choice - Who will he support for president? The Brother or the Mother?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Hey... Hi FastEd... I was
March 17, 2008 - 15:34 ET by bigtimerHey... Hi FastEd...
I was wondering if you know anything about him wanting to make it legal (like Spitzer did) for illegal aliens to obtain drivers licenses....I heard he did somewhere between Fri. and Sun., I also heard he is a Charlie Rangel protege.
Lord help us all....lol!
I t appears the Dallas city government has finally come clean.
March 17, 2008 - 15:28 ET by R D HelmThey are making a tacit admission here to something most of us have suspected for some time.
And you thought those traffic cameras were put up for your safety.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Howdy RD... I heard about
March 17, 2008 - 15:38 ET by bigtimerHowdy RD...
I heard about that early this morning on a Texas station news program listening to some of Glenn Beck.
I was doing the dishes and started cracking up laughing...couldn't help myself...then Rush mentioned this too today.
Priceless eh?
'noon, bt,
March 17, 2008 - 15:51 ET by R D HelmYeah, I heard Neal mention it this morning. I almost blew my coffee I was laughing so hard.
LOL-Guess they are going to have to get the cops back out there to start generating a little revenue.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Here in NC
March 17, 2008 - 15:48 ET by ricklailHere in NC the constitution states " All moneys, stocks, bonds, and other property belonging to a county school fund, and the clear proceeds of all penalties and forfeitures and of all fines collected in the several counties for any breach of the penal laws of the State, shall belong to and remain in the several counties, and shall be faithfully appropriated and used exclusively for maintaining free public schools."
This ruling shut the cameras down. I loved it when the cities though they could get around the state constitution by changing a word.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
Ciphering...
March 17, 2008 - 22:56 ET by acumen"I loved it when the cities though they could get around the state constitution by changing a word."
The cities were just following the precedent set by disgraced President Horndog ciphering the word 'is.'
BTW - I thought the state lottery slipped into law by the dem controlled NC state legislature in the dead of the night was going to "save the NC school system?" What? The lottery is not generating expected revenues either? And dem politicians want to provide my health care...
So Obamma is to make a
March 17, 2008 - 15:51 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarSo Obamma is to make a “race” speech tomorrow to clear the
air on this whole Reverend J anti-American racist crap and the usage of race in
the campaign.
As far as I’m concerned it’s too little, too late.
Oh, sure, the MSM will use at as a way to put this whole
thing to bed but I say the Genie’s outta the bottle. I guess the “few”
statements made by the Rev (and that BHO
was not aware of … HAH!) don’t make the man. Too bad Michael Richards and Don
Imus were not given the same equal treatment.
No, BHO will spin this into "if the Rev’s statements are
brought back into the campaign YOU are the racist for concentrating on them."
I guess the 20 years of exposure to that brainwashing means
nothing.
The true Barack and Michelle have been exposed.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
"Rev." Wright drives Porsche?
March 17, 2008 - 16:32 ET by R D HelmI have been seeing stories all over the 'net saying that the "Rev." Wright drives a Porsche.
For somebody who tells his congregation to refrain from aspiring to the middle class, as well as for a man who hates whitey with a purple passion, he sure doesn't mind playing with whitey's expensive toys.
What a flaming hypocrite!
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
What Color is it ?
March 17, 2008 - 16:35 ET by JayTeeIs it a GD white one, or a Blessed Black one ?
JayTee,
March 17, 2008 - 16:43 ET by R D HelmI have no clue, but black would be my guess. I just think it's funny that the man apparently drives a Porsche.
LOL-I had him pegged as a Caddy or Lincoln guy myself.
At least he has good taste in wheels, which, at this point, appears to be his only redeeming quality.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
Didn't you hear
March 17, 2008 - 16:48 ET by sarcasmoWhat he said about Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, and the USA? ;) I think he's one of those nuts who cares a lot and opines a lot on a lot of things, some of them nuttier than a fruitcake and others that sound downright sensible, even to conservatives. Which is why I'm still pushing the so-good it shouldn't be free idea of him vs Hagee shouting on pay-per-view. Oh, to be Don King just for a day...
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Sarc - -The man has Disappeared off the face of the Earth
March 17, 2008 - 16:53 ET by JayTeeYou are "Pushin" on Air
As with, uh, "the girl"
March 17, 2008 - 16:58 ET by sarcasmoI suspect the miracle of the right size check will suddenly put a human body (in one case, a really good-looking one!) where the air was! ;) This is a new (and therefore weird) idea for Pay TV, but so far folks I've talked to have said they'd be curious and tempted to buy.
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
JayTee,
March 17, 2008 - 17:17 ET by R D HelmGood point.
If "Rev." Wright were a conservative republican pastor, and Obama was anything other than a flaming liberal, he'd be holed up somewhere in a hotel that would be surrounded by swarming news choppers, spotlights and media trucks.
Maybe the good "reverend" flet to Cuba in the middle of the night.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
sarc,
March 17, 2008 - 17:07 ET by R D HelmI'll give it to him on Monica and Bill, but I don't go along with what he said about the U.S.
We aren't perfect by any means, and we have royally screwed up in some places, too, primarily by sticking our nose where it didn't belong on occasion, but the "U.S. is the cause of all evil in the world" spiel doesn't fly very far with me. Too many combat vets in my family, I guess.
As for he and Hagee having it out on PPV, I'd pay to see it.
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
The Republican Revolution, AKA a black one
March 17, 2008 - 17:38 ET by JayTeeI posted this once before, but I think it really applies with this lates news.
An Updated Version of Gil Scott Herron’s 60's poem
THE Republican Revolution will not be Televised
The revolution will not be televised
You will not be able to stay home, VOTER.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and Rush out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on B. Hussein and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Hillary
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions
The revolution will not show you pictures of Saddam
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by Bagdad
Jack, Osama Bin Hiding, and Gen. Pervez Musharraf
against un-armed Iraqi Citizens
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Kennedy Award Theatre and will not star Martin
Sheen and Steve McQueen or Sponge Bob Square Pants.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the Hannitized.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, VOTER.
There will be no pictures of you and Willie Boy
pushing that shopping cart filled with Pant Suits
Trying to Shove Hsu into a Stolen Ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts confirming Poll numbers.
The revolution will not be televised.
There will be no pictures of Bill Clinton shooting down
Obama in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Bill Clinton shooting down
Obama in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Hillary Clinton being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new message.
There will be no slow motion or still life of George
Stephanopolis strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.
MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC and Rosie
O’DONNEL will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Bill finally gets down with
Katie Couric on Search for Tomorrow because Republicans
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.
There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
news and no pictures of heavily armed Marines
liberationists and Ollie North killing Insurgents.
The theme song will not be written by Al Gore,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Rush Limbaugh, Code
Pink, Bobby Brown, Ono Lennon, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be right back
after a message about a Black President or a White President.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
Congress, a tiger in your VP Slot, or the giant Idiot in your Senate.
The revolution will not go better with Pepsi.
The revolution will not fight the institutional racism that cause bad elections.
The revolution will put a Fence on the Mexican Border.
The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run Voters;
The revolution will be live.
VOTE Republican and Win.
Iraq: Democracy? Or (sigh....)
March 17, 2008 - 17:01 ET by sarcasmoKleptocracy? Reason reported, you decide....
JMR
A corruption-story the TV media will-not cover.
Sarc, Don't you know that
March 17, 2008 - 17:10 ET by LeonSarc,
Don't you know that demanding accountability is un-American and un-patriotic?
Sheesh!
Although I can't figure out what's worse. Getting robbed by our enemies or getting robbed by Americans (i.e. KBR)
"Although I can't figure
March 17, 2008 - 17:30 ET by ckc1227"Although I can't figure out what's worse. Getting robbed by our enemies or getting robbed by Americans (i.e. KBR)"
Wow, a lib criticising KBR. Shocker. Not shocking that you are incapable of distinguishing between the 2 scenarios though. I'm guessing you have no problem with the 30-50% of income stolen from the producers in this country that is then spent with little or no accountability. Well, maybe a small problem: you probably feel that more should be stolen.
Geee.... I do not see a
March 17, 2008 - 17:51 ET by BDGeee.... I do not see a note reference KBR anywhere in the story.
Once again, Leon's making the inflamatory statements with nothing to back them.
Reference being robbed by Americans, how about the loot that has been taken from me for the past 24 years in order to pay the lazy to stay at home in the form of Welfare payments? I have lost significanlty more from that than any of the wars I have lived through since 1980.
I like your sarcasm Leon.
March 18, 2008 - 10:25 ET by dscottI like your sarcasm Leon. I think it's worse to be robbed by Americans, given what they wasted it on.
All those unemployment benefits just so the illegals could work jobs that Americans didn't want.
All those ethanol subsidies going to political contributors, just so you and I can have the privilege of paying an extra 51 cents a gallon to pretend to save the world from CO2.
Jacking up the minimum wage to offset the flood of illegals depressing the wages of the poor.
Pushing for the living wage just so the poor can pay their child support obligations ordered by feminist supporting judges who say the males only contribution to parenting is a paycheck.
Jacking up our taxes just to redistribute billions upon billions of dollars every year in order to lock a group into poverty to get their votes.
Yes, I find it far worse being robbed by my own countrymen, at least with a foreigner, I can drop a bomb on them.
Lord Sidious / Darth Vader 2008 Long Live the Empire! Come to the Dark Side, it is your Destiny.
Meanwhile, Hillary says we can't win in Iraq
March 17, 2008 - 17:02 ET by Prester JohnClinton says "we cannot win" Iraq war
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Hillary Clinton charged on Monday the Iraq war may cost Americans $1 trillion and add strain to the sagging U.S. economy as she made her case for a prompt U.S. troop pullout from a war "we cannot win."
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1440646120080317?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=22&sp=true
Prester.... I heard the
March 17, 2008 - 17:10 ET by bigtimerPrester....
I heard the treasonous, I sold my soul for votes, political whoring witch.
She is despicable.
Winners vs Losers
March 17, 2008 - 17:11 ET by LionKingWINNERS never quit, QUITTERS never win !!!
And most Americans....
March 17, 2008 - 17:33 ET by Prester John....do not like quitters....or bigots.
Not everything is joyful in insurgentland.....
March 17, 2008 - 18:03 ET by BDWe cannot win?
Better tell that to the insurgents who are getting demoralized by the day.
In a rare balanced report in the Los Angeles Times entitled
Foreign Fighters In Iraq Seek Recognition, U.S. Says
Interrogations of 48 detainees to understand their motivations provide a picture of typically young, lonely recruits.
By Alexandra Zavis, she finally breaks the news that not all is well in the joyful place that is "Insurgentland."
Some intersting notes and excerpts:
90% of the suicide bombers attacking in Iraq are loners from outside of Iraq who just wish to attain some form of social recognition.
"Most of these young men wanted to make an impression, but paradoxically they did not tell their families they were going off to Iraq to fight for Al Qaeda out of fear of disapproval," said Smith, a U.S. military spokesman.
"Their recruiters preyed on their desire for recognition, acceptance and friendship, Smith said."
"Once they agreed to join the fight, most of the young men were flown to Syria and then smuggled into Iraq by road, he said. The facilitators who met them in Syria often entertained them at nightclubs and bars during the months it sometimes took to get them to Iraq, Smith said."
"But when they reached Iraq, those destined for suicide missions were sequestered in safe houses with copies of the Koran and few other amenities. They complained that their Iraqi handlers looked down on foreigners, did not give them enough food and treated them harshly, Smith said."
"Some spoke of their disillusionment on discovering that most of the attacks carried out by insurgents were directed against the Iraqi people rather than U.S. forces."
"Again and again, we heard this reality bothered the recruits," Smith said. "They had not come here to kill Iraqi civilians. . . . They felt misled."
"Eventually, most just wanted to go home, he said. But their handlers had their passports and their money, so they felt trapped."
"U.S. officers have suggested that the insurgents are using women because they attract less attention. The insurgents may also be having difficulties recruiting foreign volunteers."
But, but, but....
March 17, 2008 - 19:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberLeon has been claiming for months and months that Iraq was embroiled in a civil war...
BD, say it ain't so!
Rog: I note Leon has
March 18, 2008 - 10:37 ET by BDRog:
I note Leon has stopped responding to my comments. I guess he thinks I am a fascist government stooge, either that or he CANNOT answer.
Sarc, this one's for you...
March 17, 2008 - 18:03 ET by vrwc13http://www.worldnetd...
...enjoy!!!
v
BT and Blonde - I thought of you two with this Hillary article
March 17, 2008 - 18:55 ET by Dee BunkI cracked up this morning when I read BT's posting on the chat thread about how she gave up when she went in one time and everyone was talking about how tall they were. It sounded so funny and I was trying to remember how we got to talking about it. It does stink when you come in on a chat in the middle of something like that because it seems so stupid if you weren't there to see how it evolved.
Then I saw this on Drudge and it reminded me that we were talking about what a bad dresser Hillary was. Blonde Started it! I thought you would both get a kick out of this article.
Hillary's bad clothes
I saw that article earlier
March 17, 2008 - 19:30 ET by motherbeltI saw that article earlier today Dee...I was expecting it to say WHY she dressed so badly (since it said click here for the fashion editor's verdict).
I think she's just not used to picking clothes...she just buys whatever hits her on any given day. She probably thinks the variety is good, but I think she would be better if she picked one basic style and dressed it up, dressed it down, etc.
I don't know who she listens to, but one time, for a splash of color she had a little thin twin-set kind of sweater (in a turquoise blue) tied over her shoulders on top of a black pantsuit jacket!
EEWWW. At least now she's wearing some colors...she does need to back off the yellow though...the "sunny feeling" attempt is getting a little obvious. Like when she had that "Pretty in Pink" interview.
mb... Hill has no
March 18, 2008 - 10:51 ET by bigtimermb...
Hill has no class...in anything at all, she shows it by her appearance.
She can't change....impossible.
I have only seen two, possibly three times where she must of accidentally listened to somebody else and dressed well for the occasion, both times were in a skirt and jacket type outfit, and I think one was a pant-suit, she wouldn't know how to use accessories if she tried..
Just in-"NEW NY GOV ADMITS TO AFFAIR!"
March 17, 2008 - 22:01 ET by PawpawNGeez, these DIMS are all falling apart! "NEW NY GOV ADMITS TO AFFAIR!" Rants, rantings, affairs, money laundering, lobbyists, prostitutes, 3 way love, land deals, and it goes on & on. THE PARTY OF CORRUPTION seems to have switched aisles[like it really ever did]! I can see the headline overseas as if AP or Reuters would do: "US in droves of possible CIVIL WAR!"
Here's link to new NY GOV affair story!
March 17, 2008 - 22:42 ET by PawpawNHere's link to new NY GOV affair story! http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/03/17/2008-03-17_gov_paterson_admits_to_sex_with_other_wo.html
It's disappointing,
March 17, 2008 - 22:56 ET by balboaIt's disappointing, but...sounds like old news to me.
Great stuff here as usual.
March 17, 2008 - 22:21 ET by general companyGreat stuff here as usual. Can not even think of a clever thing to add, BTW does any one know what has become of our friend Lame Cherry?
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
We need a Live Chat for Obama's ah, whatever it is tomorrow.
March 17, 2008 - 22:37 ET by R D HelmCould be BIG fun. :-)
Theme for Election '08: I want my mommy!
POPPY????
March 18, 2008 - 05:36 ET by UnsaneWhile watching AFN News and its force-feeding of CNN (groan) the other night, I noticed a report done on a MN farm concerning rising commodity prices.
I remember very little of it,except for one thing: the reporterette's name stuck in my head: Poppy Harlow.
POPPY?
Who in the hell names their daughter POPPY???
What did that poor thing do to deserve the name POPPY???
(Just had to get that off my chest...)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Years ago I had a woman in
March 18, 2008 - 10:39 ET by BDYears ago I had a woman in my command who named her Daughter "Pajama" and it was pronounced "Paja - Mae".
She had seen it in a catalog and thought it was pretty. Lets just say she was a 19 year old single mother.