Ricktail...you have to remember, the GM pres. is standing knee deep in Snow in Michigan, next to Cars that are not selling...he's just pissed that the Global warming Idiot's are making him build Cars that nobody wants. 

Yes you did! That was none other than Vice Chairman of GM, Bob Lutz. Bob's the guy how is responsible for GM product turn around. It's a shame the unions have sapped the life out of Detroit.

Bob's a no nonsense guy, who was responsible for Chrysler's post Iaccoca turnaround. He left Chrysler when he was forced to resign because he hit the mandatory retirement age.

If Obama is elected , he would take the adult way and take care of the children and make the grownups pay penalties if not covered... If clinton gets the nod, she would treat us like children and garnish our wages and/or eventually call it a tax...I do not need a 'assumed experienced' woman who can not run her own campaign/ nor manage her wayward husband, let alone release her tax reports or her 'co-prez' papers.
I am not sure how we pay for this but at least Obama is not owned by BIG PHARMA and Corp HMO's like clinton.
She has slimed Obama again today with the costume pictures. Her shrill 'Shame on You backfired'...there is no lie in the truth... Only her lies , her nasty tricks, her slime and her tammy wynette act- tears and all. How embarrasing for we feminists. Just go away clintons -slide back in your carpetbagging hole.

I think Paul might siphon off more votes from HRC/Obama than he would McCain.

"women and minorities hardest hit"

I don't necessarily think McCain is offering goodies. He has flat out said that ethanol subsidies are wrong, and he was against the Medicare Part D entitlement. I have more than a few beefs with McCain, but I think he's generally pretty good about limited government and entitlement reform.

"women and minorities hardest hit"

Totally agree MB. Republicans are tired of being painted as the villian when trying to do what is responsible and reel in uncontrolled spending. It is like modern parenting. Many parents today want to be "liked" by their children rather than make tough, responsible decisions that are in their children's best interests. Unfortunately in this day and age, the respect gained from "standing on principle" is not enough to offset the class warfare mentality driven by the MSM.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Well, mom, it depends on what you mean by "Republicans".  If you mean the RINO, country-club Republicans then, yes, those Republicans are willing to tack left toward socialism.  I believe that those Republicans are clinically insane, if insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome each time.  John, Mike, are you paying attention?  You can't out-marx a Democratic.  Where Republicans have won in national elections is when they espouse conservative ideas and contrast those ideas with the failed socialist schemes of the past.

I don't think that marxism/socialism is what Americans want, mom.  Because when you have a conservative Republican running against a marxist Democratic, the conservative usually wins.  Conservatives have nearly always won in the arena of ideas.  BUT, the Republican must work a lot harder than the Democratic (due to the LibMedia being the mouthpiece for the Democratics), and must talk loud and long, reminding the Americans with the short attention span and weak memory of what the Communists wanted, what they said, and what they wrote, and that all these things are the same things the Democratics want, say, and write.  The Republican has to sneakily tutor the sheeple in economics and explain why free-market capitalism works and how it has been responsible for our current standard of living.  He or she must explain how a rise in minimum wage does nothing but devalue the currency.  He or she must explain how every time the government starts out to help someone, it ends up distorting the market to where it really doesn't help anybody, and it really hurts everybody, especially the working poor.  He or she must explain how welfare programs fuel inflation; that by giving social parasites money without requiring them to produce anything for the economy it creates the situation of too many dollars chasing too few goods.  And so far with McVain and Huckleberry Hound, I haven't heard any of that.  And, considering their records, I wouldn't believe them if they started. 

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

mb...

"Are we going to head down the road to socialism because Republicans are willing to go along with the Democrats and offer freebies because that's what Americans want?"

The short answer is YES. Although many disagree with me, your question is why I will be using the write-in option when I step into the voting booth. If we continue to elect RINO's it won't be long until the Republican and Democrat parties will look exactly the same.

You can count on my vote for true conservatives, but don't expect me to vote for a RINO Republican just because they are a Republican.

MB: My alleged brain has been hog-rassling with this idea also. This is where I come out, more or less, on the issue so far.

There is a natural tendency for governments to acquire more and more centralized power. It's their nature, as seen by the history of governments--monarchies, oligarchies, socialists, communists etc. There's lots of reasons for this tendency, of course, mostly to do with: a. greediness of the elites for more power and goodies and b. a citizenry which gets lazy and needy for free stuff (oversimplifying here, of course). The D's, as they are now organized, represent the centralizing tendency of our governmental culture at this time. The R's don't have a much better track record, either.

The absolute genius of the Founders of our nation was that they constructed a Bill of Rights that recognized that this centralizing tendency was an assault, ultimately, on natural rights. They put forth the idea that there is a better way.... the way of WE THE PEOPLE.

It was (I think) Madison who said that two things were needed for us to maintain this innovative political idea: 1. A citizenry that lived up to high moral standards, and one that, 2. had high intellectual achievement, by which he also meant a free flow of information about what was going on.

More or less connected to all this as an idea from Hillaire Belloc's great book (written in 1918) "The Free Press". There he maintained that that a highly centralized press (which we now have because of the media conglomorates) was extremely dangerous to the free flow of ideas because that press would ultimately reflect principally the viewpoints and desires of the advertisers and specialized political groups who happen to be in power at any given time. He maintained that the "small presses" and journals were the best antidote to all that.

Today we would call those small presses blogs and sites like Newsbusters, no?

Liberal's Basic Rule For Discourse: I don't care if you agree with my premises, but I demand that you agree with my conclusions.

I was seriously injured in an aviation accident in 2003.  My Blue Cross plan gave only $800 per year for outpatient PT.  If this helps anybody else, I did go to our local hospital and offered to pay cash at the BC rate after I had hit my cap.  They jumped on it like a pike on a minnow.

I always wanted to get into politics, but I was never light enough to make the team.

 Some friends and I got on the socialized medicine debate. They are for it. I was told Canadians who do not have specialized medicine needs love the socialized medicine. Because he has no use for specialized medicine at this time in his life or because he and his wife are well off he has no problem with the Canadian plan. I suspect if he got some disease which he would have to pay thousands of dollars for treatment he would probably have a different view point. The group either does not understand the cost of socialized medicine or do not care about the cost. Both options are equally disturbing to me. Luckly due to distance I only see them every 6 months or longer which works for me so I dont have to hear how evil republicians are on a regular basis.

carbon credits to the cause! Wouldn't this make good ole Raphie a 3 time loser?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

msh,

You got in trouble here for being a pessimist? Fill me in if you don't mind. ns

celator, all we need to do is look at other "socialized medicine" countries. In England, isn't there a fight going on right now because the NHS wants to discontinue treatment of a disabled child?

Eventually any system with limited resources and virtually unlimited demand has to ration treatment to stay afloat.

I still remember back in '93 or 94, when HRC was speaking, holding a disabled child that needed hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in care; she said that child would ahve all the care he/she (I forget which) needed. And I thought, yeah, right.

And does anyone think that lawsuits will be allowed? Oh, yes, I can picture that. If that were true, England and Canada would be awash in them right now.