Although you've likely heard, the AP reported within the hour (paragraph breaks removed):
Republican campaign dropout Mitt Romney endorsed John McCain for the party's presidential nomination and asked his national convention delegates to swing behind the likely nominee..."Even when the contest was close and our disagreements were debated, the caliber of the man was apparent," the former Massachusetts governor said, standing alongside his one-time rival at his now- defunct campaign's headquarters. "This is a man capable of leading our country at a dangerous hour."..."Primaries are tough," said McCain, referring to their earlier rancor. "We know it was a hard campaign and now we move forward, we move forward together for the good of our party and the nation."
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YAAAWWWNNN....
February 14, 2008 - 20:17 ET by PeskyDaneYAAAWWWNNN....
PD
February 14, 2008 - 20:19 ET by Noel SheppardPD,
Sorry to bore you, bro. I'll try harder in the future. :-) ns
Oh, its news-worthy, Noel.
February 14, 2008 - 20:28 ET by PeskyDaneOh, its news-worthy, Noel. My point is that all these folks seem to be playing such inside baseball, I'm wondering if they really need me in that voting booth.
PD
February 14, 2008 - 20:35 ET by Noel SheppardPD,
They need you. America needs you. Don't kid yourself. ns
You just couldn't let it
February 14, 2008 - 20:40 ET by PeskyDaneYou just couldn't let it go... you had to appeal to my sense of civic duty... my patriotism...
[Rage briefly building] [Mouth contorting]
Finally... "KAAAAAHN!!"
Ok, ok, I'll show up in November.
PD
February 14, 2008 - 20:50 ET by Noel SheppardPD,
Good. That's one. Who's next?
:-) ns
See, it was like
February 15, 2008 - 00:15 ET by botgSee, it was like this
See
it was like this when
we waltzed into this place
a couple of papish cats
is doing an Aztec Two-Step
and i says
dad lets cut
but then this dame
comes up behind me see
and says
you and me could really exist
WOW i says
only the next day
she has bad teeth
and really hates
poetry
Ferlinghetti
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Watch it Noel....
February 14, 2008 - 23:53 ET by JayTeeWe don't wanna replace all these Recent Gun Free Zone Mall shootings with encouragement to take out your Rhino Frustrations at your nearest Polling station come November.
It's not nice to Mess with Mother belt and Company.
pd, Noel does that. Just
February 14, 2008 - 23:57 ET by motherbeltpd, Noel does that. Just the other day I was yelling at him "Why'd you have to go and appeal to my reasonable side!!!!"
He convinced me I can't sit it out either. If for no other reason to vote down-ticket.
MB
February 15, 2008 - 00:50 ET by RESTLESS 1Thank you!!! Finally someone else is seeing the big picture. Congress is where all of this venom we are seeing here, from all sides, should be directed. It won't matter one whit who gains the WH if we don't set out sights on Congress.
I thought this was a given.
February 15, 2008 - 02:36 ET by Clear thinkerI thought this was a given. Everyone should vote for conservative House and Senate seats, and then vote your convictions and principles, even if you have to write them in, for POTUS.
Set the GOP back on the right course. http://gopteaparty.com/
I thought this was a given.
February 15, 2008 - 02:37 ET by Clear thinkerI thought this was a given. Everyone should vote for conservative House and Senate seats, and then vote your convictions and principles, even if you have to write them in, for POTUS.
Set the GOP back on the right course. http://gopteaparty.com/
My point is that all these
February 14, 2008 - 21:11 ET by drillanwrMy point is that all these folks seem to be playing such inside baseball, I'm wondering if they really need me in that voting booth.
What McCain (and Veep nod) NEED is a shot of some of Barry Bonds (and MLB's) "performance enhancing drugs" ...
When you men get home and face an anti-war protestor, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend because she knows she’s dating a pussy… ~ Attributed to General Tommy Franks
Drill, I don't think I could
February 14, 2008 - 21:43 ET by PeskyDaneDrill, I don't think I could top that metaphor...
No vote for McCain...
February 14, 2008 - 20:26 ET by aeroveloI really think that the majority of right thinking conservatives will just stay away from the polling places come November. It doesnt matter who McCain picks as his VP, it doesnt matter if Romney endorses him and gets his delegates to endorse him...the reality is, McCain cant win against Obama or Clinton, so essentially Romney just gave it all away.
I dont know all the details about elections and electorate college and delegates, but I do know that at least Huckabee stands a chance at winning the general election against whomever the Dems pick.
...so yeah....YAWNNNN...is right. I may be riding my bike on election day.
And what does it say when large groups of conservatives either write in a canditate or just dont vote at all?
-----
Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!
aerovelo
February 14, 2008 - 20:33 ET by Noel SheppardAV,
And what does it say when large groups of conservatives either write in a canditate or just dont vote at all?
Well, in this instance, it might say that you're okay with our country moving towards socialism, taxes being raised, a capricious withdrawal from Iraq making it a stronghold for terrorism with unlimited oil reserves, Iran getting a nuclear bomb, another huge entitlement program that we can't afford being created, and capitalism taking a HUGE step backward in our nation as well as democracy across the planet.
Of course, none of that is as important as making a figurative statement to your Party that you're concerned it's moving in the wrong direction. ns
True Dat!
February 14, 2008 - 20:35 ET by aerovelo---
Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!
AV
February 14, 2008 - 20:51 ET by Noel SheppardAV,
I'm a business owner, AND an employer. Could you give me some more options? :-) ns
Noel, You probably know
February 14, 2008 - 21:45 ET by Clear thinkerNoel,
You probably know how I feel concerning the candidates, so I won't go there. I do however want to ask you a question.
For many, many months you have wanted to make sure that Hillary does not make it to the WH. It looks as if you have your wish so why don't you want to take this opportunity to help revitalize the GOP?
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CT
February 14, 2008 - 23:26 ET by Noel SheppardCT,
Good question. Though I hate answering a question with a question, should the Party ever be more important than the Nation?
How would Jefferson, Adams, or Madison answer that question? ns
Noel... I'm typing as
February 14, 2008 - 23:52 ET by Clear thinkerNoel...
I'm typing as fast as I can and answering as many people as I can so forgive me if you have been waiting for a response.
Normally I would not answer a question in answer to my question, but you hit on the crux of what this is all about.
Electing another RINO to the WH only put's a band-aid on the problem. You know, winning the battle, but not the war. Anyway, it's because I love this nation and want what's best for it that I'm taking a stand. I honestly believe, after a lot of soul searching that holding the GOP accountable is the only way we will ever get it to move back to conservative principles. I knew something was not quite right when Bush was running in 2000 and he kept using the term "compassionate conservatism" but I did not want to go against my party so I did not question it. Now having 8 years to think about it, I learned that I should have listened to my gut. The GOP has been steadily moving to the left, slowly, but still moving. If this trend continues this nation will end up with a one party system, and you know that would be terrible for our country.
Geesh, I could go on for quite sometime but I'm calling it quite for the night soon. Let me finish by saying... I want a conservative leader, but we won't get one this time around, so this is the perfect time for me to stand up for what I believe in. Having a Democrat screw things up for the next 4 years is preferable to having it balmed on a Republican. At least we have a chance in 2012.
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Clear
February 15, 2008 - 13:54 ET by RESTLESS 1If you had followed your gut in 2000, Al Gore would have been President after 9/11.
Also, I would be holding my nose and voting for ANY of the candidates in the primaries. Who should I throw my vote away for?
RESTLESS... You need to
February 15, 2008 - 18:54 ET by Clear thinkerRESTLESS...
You need to go back and read what I wrote. I said nothing about changing my vote in 2000. What I was alluding to was... at the time I never raised any questions concerning the "compassionate conservative" to my party or any of my fellow Republicans. I just did what I was told without question. The term 'mind numb robot' clearly explains my actions at the time. Never again!
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Gotcha Clear
February 15, 2008 - 19:40 ET by RESTLESS 1But my premise remains. Aren't you the least bit worried about how Obama or hillary would handle a situation like 9-11, God forbid, should it happen again?
RESTLESS... Neither you,
February 15, 2008 - 20:38 ET by Clear thinkerRESTLESS...
Neither you, or I can predict the future so the question is moot. However, if we were to be attacked again, the prez, no matter who it was would have to take decisive action. If they didn't, we the people would want them hanging from a gallows. Also, people think that a Dem prez would start pulling out all our troops from Iraq the day after taking the oath. This will NOT happen. Once they took the oath, and had their very first brief in the Oval Office concerning the war, reality of the situation would set in. I don't think any prez would want to be responsible for the blood-bath that would ocur if we suddenly pulled out. It just ain't gonna happen.
Am I happy about the prospect of a Dem presidency, no. But voting for McCain is the same as voting for one of the Dems. I will NOT vote for a man that does not share my principles. Period!
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Picky arnt we
February 15, 2008 - 20:59 ET by general companyI will NOT vote for a man that does not share my principles. Period!
Have you ever voted? Is Bush anymore Conservitive then these guys? I dont think so.
Sure hope that special some one comes along real soon, since compromise isnt in the cards. Good grief?
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
General Company... It
February 15, 2008 - 21:08 ET by Clear thinkerGeneral Company...
It would do you a world of good to read the entire thread. If you do, you will want to take back some of what you wrote.
I will however answer your questions. Yes, I have been voting for 30 years. Bush is not as conservative as I thought he would be, but who do you mean by "these guys"?
And I too hope someone special comes along real soon, but what's your point?
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I have read 80% of it.
February 15, 2008 - 21:58 ET by general companyI have read 80% of it. "These Guys" refere's to who is left, or, in your case, any that have run a campain this year. See to me you are whining. Even when Reagan ran for the first time, you cannot tell me you were so overjoyed to have a Gov from CA as our Nominee. The folks are voting, you dont like it, such is life my friend.
I do not believe their has ever been a President that would had qualifed for your litmus test while running, but I am sure you will come back with "Fred".
This is a hair bigger then that. Us or them, "your either with us or against us", know what I mean? If our vote count doesnt pick up, you will (gladly I assume) be giving your cash to DC, and happily recieve what ever Health care they deem you worthy, not to mention National Security, and a host of other things. You see, I have a fight, I will not balk, these time are to important to give the Dems the WH and the Senate and the House. If I had more time I would contradict you more often and better. I do not mean offence, but I cannot see your logic at all.
BTW, if Bush suprised you, maybe our nominee will as well : ]
"Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest". Mark Twain
Why does everyone think
February 14, 2008 - 23:37 ET by JerryWhy does everyone think that losing will revitalize us?? I think it is more apt to marginalize us, what with the MSM getting more and more brazen in their role as Democrat propagandists, and the schools getting more and more extreme in their indoctrination, and the voters getting dumber and dumber, we cannot afford to throw the game in the hopes that it will somehow reinvigorate the party.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Jerry
February 15, 2008 - 00:04 ET by Noel SheppardJerry,
Hear, hear!
To me, losing is always losing -- there's never anything to be gained from it. And, in this instance, a loss could mean the end of the conservative revolution that began in 1980.
Isn't that worth fighting for, rather than betting that a defeat could strengthen your position down the road?
I certainly think so. ns
Noel, I think it's
February 15, 2008 - 12:21 ET by KarmaNoel, I think it's interesting how differently people can view the same event. I don't know anyone who likes to lose, but what is to be gained from claimimg victory in a battle that has been lost? When the twin towers settled into dust, didn't we, as a nation, lose a battle on that particular day? Did we gain anything from it? Were we victorious at Pearl Harbor? Did we gain anything at all from that? Was it a good thing that these events happened? Absolutely not.
I see President Obama as a defeat. I see President Clinton as a defeat. I see President McCain as a defeat. Lose by a little, lose by a lot. Still a defeat.
Can anything be gained? Resolve?
It seems the conservative tantrum throwers need the conservative capitulators to help them achieve their goal (stop the slow slide towards socialism in the Republican party), and the capitulators need the tantrum throwers to achieve theirs (to be victorious over the Democrats). How is this impasse resolved? It has been awhile, but major party's do shift, crack, fall apart and sometimes re-name themselves. What makes our time in history immune from that?
I don't see how constantly buying an overpriced 6 ounce bag of socialism, from a re-seller to boot, is more beneficial to my long-term health than purchasing the family sized 3 pound bag directly from the manufacturer. I'll take my chances and search for something more nutritious elsewhere. I may go hungry for a while, heck, I may even starve to death, but that is my right as an individual.
Karma... Your insights
February 15, 2008 - 12:38 ET by Clear thinkerKarma...
Your insights are duly noted and appreciated.
For me, this is not about winning, or losing, against my fellow Republicans. My concern is the future of our country.
Set the GOP back on the right course. http://gopteaparty.com/
Karma
February 15, 2008 - 13:49 ET by RESTLESS 1If we lose either way, might it not behoove us to minimize the damage? I think we can take away the lessons from this primary season without giving up the whole country to socialism for at least the better part of a decade. Possibly much longer if SCOTUS appointments end up in the hands of hillary or obama.
Restless
February 15, 2008 - 15:16 ET by Noel SheppardRestless,
Exactly. After all, politics isn't a war you ever completely win in our system, because there are indeed at least two Parties that will always be battling. That's never going to end.
As such, you take your victories, however small, whenever you can. ns
Noel... Can you honestly
February 15, 2008 - 20:42 ET by Clear thinkerNoel...
Can you honestly tell me that you are proud of todays GOP?
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I agree! Just because you
February 14, 2008 - 20:54 ET by ziplinedownI agree! Just because you dont agree with someone on all the issues, doesnt mean you cant vote for them. And just because you vote for them doesnt mean that you subscribe to all of their views.
I would like to see john mccain say to the conservative right, "here i am! im not going to pander for your votes or skew my views, but its either me or one of them, and if you had half a brain you would know im much better for this country than hillary or obama are"
Even if i dont see eye to eye with him, its pointless to "suicide bomb" this election
"give me a break!" - John Stossel
Z
February 14, 2008 - 21:05 ET by Noel SheppardZ,
I don't think that's what he needs to do, or will. I think instead he will reach out to conservatives like us by stressing which strong conservative views he still has, and sharing what his vision is for the nation. Then, he'll contrast this with what Obama's vision is, and, hopefully, folks on our side still skeptical will come to the realization that elections are about choosing the better man, NOT the best.
If you think that choice will get better four years from now, that's quite a gamble when the nation is at war and heading towards a possible economic calamity that could usher in decades of socialism much like what happened after the Great Depression. ns
Good insight Noel. I agree,
February 14, 2008 - 23:46 ET by RESTLESS 1Good insight Noel. I agree, McCain needs to reach out as much as he can. I don't know how much that would help him at this point. The larger point to me is the health and welfare, don't get excited dems, I don't mean it the way you think, of our nation is too important to pout and moan about past slights. I didn't like McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy or any of his comments any more than anyone here, but I will NOT throw my vote away. I will do what I can to keep Hillary, or the even more liberal Obama, out of the White House. Meanwhile, I am also going to concetrate on the House and Senate.
I think the best thing we can do now is hold our noses, vote Republican, and try to get things going our way over the next 8-12 years. It will be a long process to get to where we were, but we must start somewhere. If you don't like the Presidential nominee, fight your side on the rest of the ticket, but don't leave the WH and both sides of Congress in the hands of the socialists.
I am getting shades of J.
February 14, 2008 - 23:59 ET by ConservativeRexI am getting shades of J. Carter again with this Obama character. I did not vote for Carter in '76 and we lost. We had a very tough row to hoe for 4 humiliating years. I am still here, the country is still here, and frankly, in better shape than it was in '76.
I am sure those knuckleheads in DC would like me to forget the interest rates under Carter (good chance for the same under Obama), I remember the inflation rates under Carter (ditto for Obama). Surely to God we will not enter the humiliating years again!
My brother (career Navy officer) was in while Carter was CIC, and to this day stills talks with venom about the time Carter did not want our service members to wear their uniforms while in port in Europe. I do not want to see those days again either. I have thought long and hard but I will vote in November, but only God and I will know for who!
And Carter even had executive experience
February 15, 2008 - 11:56 ET by ChrisMillsIt wasn't much, but Carter was governor of Georgia, so he at least had experience managing people and writing budgets. What skills does Obama have as a legislator and lawyer for a firm? He's never been anyone's boss, so he has no management skills. He's never had to deal with any finances but his family's, so we know that he has no chance of making sound decisions on our economy. And what business does he have being our commander in cheif? Obama is 10 times worse than Carter in my mind and that is truly hard to do. He poses a huge risk to our country.
McCain isn't much, but at least he's been an officer in the navy. That's infinitely more executive experience than Obama
Noel, in addition....
February 15, 2008 - 00:05 ET by bbbossWe sent our countries's finest young men and women out in this very dangerous world. Can we, in good concience leave them to a cranky woman who has spent 40 years despising the military or a kid that wouldn't know a soldier if one hit him with a dead cat? I won't be part of that by staying home and throwing a tantrum because my guy didn't make it. Mitt's world is the same world I grew up in and I admire him greatly, especially since he was willing to sacrifice his candidacy for the greater good of this war on Islamofacist monsters.....if the Hill or the kid gets in the WH, the military will be decimated and considered losers for generations. We did that once before to a whole generation of soldiers, by God, we ain't going to do it again, if I have anything to say about it. To conservatives, stay home on election day if you want, but you are throwing away these brave Americans just because you don't like John McCain....well, I don't either, but I do know he will never throw them out with the dishwater........
Agreed.
February 15, 2008 - 00:15 ET by BlondeNicely stated.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
This is BS and you know
February 15, 2008 - 02:40 ET by Clear thinkerThis is BS and you know it... "To conservatives, stay home on election day if you want, but you are throwing away these brave Americans just because you don't like John McCain....well, I don't either, but I do know he will never throw them out with the dishwater........"
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Ct... It's the guilt trip
February 15, 2008 - 02:58 ET by bigtimerCt...
It's the guilt trip thing...again.
bt... It sure is, and
February 15, 2008 - 03:03 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
It sure is, and it's starting to get annoying.
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Since nobody noticed when I said it before...
February 15, 2008 - 03:14 ET by sarcasmoI'll repeat myself. Soldiers do not any-more all think alike than NewsBusters do. Anyone who implies otherwise for political reasons is simply lying to you, and Captain Joe is far from the only living-proof.
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
What Not Voting Says About You
February 14, 2008 - 23:11 ET by CGatton"...what does it say when large groups of conservatives either write in a canditate or just dont vote ..."
It means they will take their bat(s) and ball(s) and go home, and/or be like the little boy who peed into the wind because it made him feel warm all over.
It is 2008 now, and the last successful attempt to create a third political party of significance was c1854, when the formation of Republican Party caused the split-up and realignment of the existing parties (Whigs and Democratic-Republicans {Democrats}) of the day. There will never be another third party of significance in American politics.
"What!" you cry. "How can you make such a pronouncement?"
The size of the country, both physical and population; the myriad of viewpoints, cultural, religious, and political; and the invasive fourth estate insidiously crafting the world view of those too lazy to reason or incapable of reasoning outside their own environs all act together to ensure an alternative to the two party system will fail. As is commonly said, "wish in one hand and..." you know what you will have in the end. You may of course, rant and rail about how unfair it is and so on, but in the end you must conform to the political realities we live in, or mark yourself as irrelevant. If you cannot agree to form a viable third party, capable of electing your candidate - and if you could do that, there would be no reason to form said third party, because you would have the votes to install your own candidate in either of the existing two parties - then any other action you take, whether not voting, or writing in an unelectable candidate, merely trivializes you and the country as a whole.
The general election is not a game, the rules are only as perfect as we make them by being involved, and this is still the best system ever conceived and created by the hand of man. But, like all systems involving multiple human beings, there must be a give and take. In our case, we air our differences, mark our territories, and bash our nearest similar compatriots about the head and shoulders in the primary season. This is the time we make our wishes known, count up our staunchest allies, and try to get others to agree with our point of view. We form our alliances and work for a concensus favorable to us. Some times we are successful, others we are not, but in the end there will be two viable candidates - and only two.
Then comes the time to fall behind the standard bearer of our chosen affiliation. I see a lot of you feel betrayed, left out, or appalled in general by the choice of the Republican Party this time around. Believe me, McCain has never been my choice - but I will not play games with the United States at stake. I will vote for him, because the majority of the party - and yes, I know there are states that allow cross-over voting, but that is for another time - have determined that he is either the best candidate to represent the balance of their (our) beliefs, or is the most electable candidate we have available and running. Have no doubt, for all his faults, John McCain is electable, unlike Bob Dole in 1996 - yet I still voted for him. But - and there always is a but - he is only as electable as we gather behind him and push.
This is no second rate democracy, or democratic republic, or constitutional republic, or whatever you care to call it today. We don't have three, four, or ten parties, all with significant elected members such that none has a majority, and alliances are made of expediency after the elections are over, and a ruling government must be crafted from a ragged mix of third and fourth tier players. Our alliances are made up front, in the primary season we are concluding, not in the shady back rooms of powerbrokers trying to rule after the elections, when we have no control over with whom we are in bed with politically. If you don't like the alliance this time, then try harder next time, but remember, all the little fracture interests have to agree to support your interest, or you will forever be shut out. Again I point out the obvious - you don't need a third party if you can carry your own, and if you can't then no write in, or third party candiate will win. Sitting out, however you chose to do it, removes you from any consideration for the next four years.
As I have repeatedly told my children, "I don't care who you vote for, but vote. If you do not, then do not speak to me about politics for the next four years, do not complain about what is being done in the country, and accept whatever Washington dishes out to you. Your right to complain comes from your trying to influence what is done by your vote."
So, back to the original question, "...what does it say when large groups of conservatives either write in a canditate or just dont vote ...?" Succinctly, it means they forfeit their right to bitch about what happens over the next four years. Just a little bit of tough love, I'm afraid.
R/
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
Spoken like a true moderate
February 14, 2008 - 23:17 ET by Clear thinkerSpoken like a true moderate Republican.
I will be voting, but it won't be for Obama, Hillary, or McCain.
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I Ask No More
February 14, 2008 - 23:31 ET by CGatton"...I will be voting..."
That's all I ask. I may disagree with who or why, but all I ask is that you vote. :o)
V/R
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
Clyde,
February 14, 2008 - 23:35 ET by BlondeWell, look who snuck back in here... :)
Glad to see you, and I appreciate the level headed argument you pose, here, for all our conservative friends who are still trying to sort out McCain as our nominee.
It took me a while to get to where I am with it. But I REFUSE to support B. Hussein or Hillary by not voting. The consequences are just too awful.
V/R.
J.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Shame On Me
February 14, 2008 - 23:47 ET by CGattonAh, Blonde, my love. You shamed me the other day when you pointed out my absence...and I had to acknowledge to myself the only reason was laziness.
V/R
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
No worries, Clyde
February 14, 2008 - 23:55 ET by BlondeJust really glad to see you back here.
Your very reasoned (V/R) insights have been sorely missed.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
CT --
February 14, 2008 - 23:40 ET by misterbillDitto--
True, a mew mistress now I chase,
The first foe in the field;
And with a stronger faith embrace
A sword, a horse, a shield.
Yet this inconstancy is such
As you too shall adore;
I could not love thee, dear, so much,
Loved I not honor more.
My honor tells me that I dishonor myself and my country if I vorte for a man I believe will lead us down the path of destruction.
Obama at least, is faithful to his party. (Doesn't mean he gets my vote.)
Mr. Bill... Long time no
February 15, 2008 - 00:01 ET by Clear thinkerMr. Bill...
Long time no hear. Glad to see you back, and love the poem.
It really is hard to be principled when so many think you are wrong. But you and I know better, because principles, convictions, and virtues should never be traded for a vote!
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Clear Tee...you have 9 months more of being Principled
February 15, 2008 - 00:06 ET by JayTeeAnd here's to raising Cain...with McCain and Company.
A vote for McCain in November, is a vote for a New Senator from Arizona.
JayTee
February 15, 2008 - 00:17 ET by DelsaMaybe the new senator from Arizona could be JD Hayworth?
Think he might run
Delsa... We couldn't be
February 15, 2008 - 00:28 ET by bigtimerDelsa...
We couldn't be so lucky....that would be PRICELESS!
Mister bill
February 15, 2008 - 00:44 ET by RESTLESS 1My honor tells me to put my country above myself. I cannot in good conscience not vote, or write in a candidate who has no chance, and did not have the backbone to stay in the race to the end. Texas is a big state, with a lot of delegates. If Romney wanted the nomination, or any of the rest who dropped out, he would have stayed in the race at least until Texas. I am pissed that I didn't get to vote before it became moot, but I will not waste my vote and hope Obama or hillary see the light before they destroy this nation.
restless
February 15, 2008 - 01:00 ET by misterbillI respectfully disagree-- everyone here who talks about this possibility of Obama being worse than McCain displays a trust in him that McCain is unworthy of. And at risk of derision, I will also say that anyone whoe believes in the possibilty of a North American Union will not trust McC not to go there.
Perhaps I am a victim of the reverse of, "the devil you know is less dangerous than the devil you don't know".
So, those who wish can pull out their ad hominem "conspiro" insults as they wish, but I say they have their heads in the sand about it, even good friends on this site.
PS Totally off-thread, but I am happy to see on my recent return here, or perhaps I should say "not" see the other conspiros who still think 9/11 was a Bush plan.
I have pretty much lost interest in the AGW wackos.
remind me Clyde
February 14, 2008 - 23:18 ET by botgwho was it that said "i didn't leave my party, it left me"?
and when you get RINOs for the next 20 years you gonna be silent?
are you a republican or a conservative?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
I'll Settle For a Piece
February 14, 2008 - 23:57 ET by CGatton"...i didn't leave my party, it left me..." - Ronald Reagan
"...when you get RINOs for the next 20 years you gonna be silent?..." - Nope
"...are you a republican or a conservative?..." - Realistic conservative
Never could see the sense in biting off my nose to spite my face. I'll settle for one or two or three things with which I can agree. No need to have the whole pie or none. {shrug}
V/R
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
"...when you get RINOs for
February 15, 2008 - 00:02 ET by botg"...when you get RINOs for the next 20 years you gonna be silent?..." - Nope
but isn't just caving to Juan going to enable the promotion of RINOs?
like i've said if Juan can guareentee constructionist SCOTUS appointments i'll support him but plain old cave in---no.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
botg See Below Please
February 15, 2008 - 00:28 ET by CGatton"...if Juan can guareentee constructionist SCOTUS appointments ..."
I really wish I could guarantee this, but rather than restate what I have already ssid, please see my comment to Noel a little below. Perhaps we can get a question infiltrated into a debate? ...or rally? ...or such?
V/R
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
Sorry--I still see little difference between
February 15, 2008 - 00:04 ET by misterbillSorry--I still see little difference between ob and mc. I would vote for nyone to prevent HC from getting elected. I, in good conscience could never vote for OB as I am opposed to socialism and naivete' in my country's leader. I am equally opposed to one who would sell out my country for globalism, open our borders,yada, yada, yada.
And the concern about the SCOTUS, if my analysis of McCain is correct, the people he would help place in the Court would, very likely, all be globalists which would be as harmful as socialists.
CG, Make no mistake, as I have every intention of voting.
February 14, 2008 - 23:21 ET by R D HelmJust not for McCain.
Obama: Elect me and I'll lose the war AND raise your taxes! - Bryan/HotAir.com
All That I Ask
February 14, 2008 - 23:51 ET by CGattonAs above, I ask for nothing more than your voting. If nothing else, it ensures four more years of (peaceful) discourse.
V/R
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
Clyde
February 14, 2008 - 23:30 ET by Noel SheppardClyde,
Hear, hear. And welcome to the fight. My side -- and the nation -- needs you. ns
Noel
February 14, 2008 - 23:39 ET by botgyour side??
can your side assure me of constructionist appointments to the SCOTUS?? that do and my support you will have!!
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
b
February 14, 2008 - 23:44 ET by Noel Sheppardb,
I think that's a great question, and one that concerns me as well. I believe McCain is going to have to answer that question in the coming months, and will do so.
However, regardless of his answer, I feel very confident of the type of judges Obama will appoint, and that they most certainly will not be constructionist. You agree? ns
N
February 14, 2008 - 23:48 ET by botgof course but what judges will we get for the next 20 years if we continue to enable RINOs?
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Give Him a Reason To Listen
February 15, 2008 - 00:22 ET by CGatton"...McCain is going to have to answer that question..."
I strongly suspect that answer may come quicker than you think, and perhaps in a form you won't expect. If we rephase the question slightly as, "is Senator (Presidential Candidate) McCain trainable?" we may find the answer soon.
Soon, of course, is relative in politics, and in this case depends on a rumor/fact/assumption that I heard/saw today, that the illegal amnesty program is going to come up for consideration again. If it does, and MacCain distances himself from it, and votes against it, I think it is a clear sign that he is teachable. Given that, I have no doubt that he would appoint strict constructionist judges, assuming conservative public pressure is maintained.
But - and this is a biggie - if he feels the conservatives did not support him in the election, what exactly would be his motivation to listen to them after the election?
V/R
Clyde
"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC
He shoulda held out
February 14, 2008 - 20:30 ET by FastEdThen he could have used his delegates as a wedge - not that any of it will make a dif - when was an election won based on any endorsement?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
I will still be doing the
February 14, 2008 - 22:09 ET by TruthMongerI will still be doing the Romney/Thomsen write-in
I cordially invite 51% of my fellow voting citizens to join me
that'll show the deal makers:)
democracy lives
Look at the bright side!!
February 14, 2008 - 20:33 ET by sarcasmoThink how boring the Republican Convention would have been if Mitt hadn't decided to do this today. Oh, wait... ;)
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
Maybe the delegates won't
February 14, 2008 - 20:36 ET by Uncle DonMaybe the delegates won't be so anxious to go to the Liberal McCain Camp..as far as the "caliber" of the man, he's a liar, he's a disgrace to his party, he can't be trusted, he's become a millionair on $125,000 a year (huh?) and he doesn't stand for anything unless it benefits him. Sorry, Mitt, just because you gave up (quitter) doesn't mean I'm going to...
McCain is awful and won't get my vote ......EVER~!
Uncle Don
February 14, 2008 - 20:42 ET by Noel SheppardUncle Don,
Obama and every liberal in America will be both glad to hear that, and proud of your principles. ns
The bottom line for me is,
February 14, 2008 - 20:51 ET by NewsbusterbrownThe bottom line for me is, however bad McCain is as our defacto standard bearer (and bad he will be), he's still much better than Obama or Clinton. If someone can prove me wrong, then I would think about sitting it out with the rest of you here. But I know nobody will prove me wrong.
NBB
February 14, 2008 - 20:56 ET by Noel SheppardNBB,
Hear, hear. And, nobody will prove me wrong on this...or you!
2008 represents a battle between capitalism and socialism, as well as over strong national security versus appeasement. The players are irrelevant. Totally irrelevant. And that more of our compatriots don't see it boggles my mind.
However, I have vowed to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for the next 9 months convincing everyone to vote for their lives, their children's, and their grandchildren's. ns
NS