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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Thompson drops presidential bid.

What does this mean for the race? Who benefits and who loses? Who will Fred endorse, if anyone?

As you might imagine, the drivebys think he'll support -- wait for it! -- McCain:

In the statement, Thompson did not say whether he would endorse any of his former rivals. He was one of a handful of members of Congress who supported Arizona Sen. John McCain in 2000 in his unsuccessful race against George W. Bush for the party nomination.

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Romney/Thompson in '08.I

Romney/Thompson in '08.

"Rompson"

I want my "I'm with Fred" bumper sticker to still mean something important this year. 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

I am so crushed about Fred

I am so crushed about Fred dropping out and am hanging on in the hope that Mitt will be nominated and pick Fred as running mate.  Glad to see others have the same thought. 

Thompson's a good guy, and I

Thompson's a good guy, and I think he would make a great Veep. But he has only himself to blame. He waited too long...3 months gain on fundraising is a lifetime and a fortune, in politics. Thompson never had a chance...it was impossible to catch up.

and it does... Rompson is

and it does...

Rompson is our best option...

The key will be whoever the traitorous MSM attacks most...

That will be the best individual to save our nation:)

Romney

If any of the (albeit non-scientific) many online polls that I've seen are accurate, an overwhelming amount of Thompson's support will go to Romney.

"women and minorities hardest hit"

Thompson

Thompson for V.P.!

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

I'm in for Rhompson!

Now that I can't vote for him as President, I would be happy to vote for him as VP.  I think that he would temper some of Romney's liberal side.  The two of them together actually make a better Conservative than they do alone.

Stultus est sicut stultus facit

Rohmpson has my vote.  My

Rohmpson has my vote.  My flag will fly at half staff for the rest of the day.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Rompson, Rhompson,

But first, we've got to come up with a consistent spelling of our hoped merger...

Rompson

Rhompson

Rohmpson

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

But there's talk that he

But there's talk that he will endorse McCain because they have been friends for a long time....

→ H. Ledger dead

Guess he won't be jackin' Gyllenhaal in the sequel.

Thankfully, HIV/AIDS has now become a chronic disease - Hillary Clinton

Hi Cool Arrow, Rip Van

Hi Cool Arrow, Rip Van Winkle here. Just who was this Ledger guy? I heard his name for the first time yesterday, and have heard it hundreds of times since. Was he some kind of super-being?

→ Heath Ledger

He was one of the gay caballeros in Brokeback Mountain, and Mel Gibson's oldest son in "the Patriot"

A few other movies.

I was totally shocked to

I was totally shocked to hear about this. Apparently they're not ruling out an accidental overdose.

Plus he's got the new Batman movie coming out. It's too bad.

→ Ledger

He was my daughter's first crush in "The Patriot"

He was a genuine Errol Flynn in "Knights Tale".

He was very good in both

He was very good in both movies. It's too bad, he probably had a great career ahead of him.

I sent the article to my daughter at college, she was a big fan...she sent me back a pic of a friend of hers taken standing with him; she ran into him somewhere and he agreed to have a pic taken with her..which was really nice of him.

Gyllenhaal's character was killed.

CA,

FYI- Jake Gyllenhaal's character 'Jack Twist' was killed at the end of Brokeback Mountain.

It's sad he died. Heath is survived by his 2 yr old daughter.

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

Syrius, your duel nature?

You have sympathy for a 2 year old child losing her dad, but none for 3,000 children losing their lives today?

v

I've read the last page of the Bible. It's all going to turn out all right. - Billy Graham

Please review my thoughts from yesterday...

v,

I do have sympathy for Heath's daughter, I'm sure she'll be supported.

It always saddens me to hear of those who have decided they had no other choice but to end their pregnancies by abortion. Also, it saddens me to hear- how many families are in poverty, the amount of spousal & child abuse that exists, the non-existent support of the disenfranchised, the rates of divorce, tax-cuts for the rich with no relief for the middle class, the indebtedness to other nations, the borrowing of our children's future, the dead and wounded of the Iraqi War, etc. Where do you want me stop?

To reiterate...

It's a woman's choice, a man's responsibility.

Syrius


"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

"had no other choice"ah,

"had no other choice"

ah, the mantra's we must recite to asuage ourselves:)... 

→ StumpBroke Mountain

Sorry, didn't see the movie.

Didn't pay to see Brokeback..they had Gay horses in the movie

wanna know what you Feed  Gay Horses ? ?

(voice of Gay Guy greeting another Gay guy, showing limp wrist

Heeyyyy ! !

 

 

"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp"  Doug Giles

Woww...

JT,

You, too? You know what they say about homophobes???

When are you coming out of the closet?

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

same deal with

same deal with fundieophobes:)

correction syrius.......

That would be Equinehomophobia Dufus....... and I would be coming out of the Stall, not the Tack Closet. 

"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp"  Doug Giles

Don't like the gay flicks? Netflix has it available.

CoolA,

I never took you for a homophobe.

I'm learning a lot about this site.

A group of rightwing critics with no understanding of the material for what they critique. I'm glad to be on the outside looking in...so to speak.

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

→ Syrius

Never said I was afraid of them.

I suppose since you wrote

I suppose since you wrote this "A group of rightwing critics with no understanding of the material for what they critique" you have intimate understanding?

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Got that right...

...I should have said leftwing critics. Another Chris Farley moment as I hit my head, "stupid, stupid,..." Oh well, I'll admit my mistake...and my lumps! Pile on.

Syrius


"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

Curious. If you make a joke

Curious. If you make a joke about conservatives at Newsbusters, does that mean you fear conservatives?

Or does the whole "fear" thing only apply when jokes are made in reference to homosexuals. 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

HS

HS,

Nicely asked, and unanswered. Isnt' that telling?

So, are you suggesting that he's a conservaphobe? :-) ns

And, of course, a Christophobe

From the early days of NewsBusters.  ;^)

Sorry, I didn't answer as I was deflecting blows...

...from the masses below. The amount of anti-gay sentiment on this site is par for the course when it comes to a right wing, radical agenda. When the anti-gay radical crowd is exposed, they pucker up and tout how tolerant they are towards gays or how they have gay friends or how they work with them with no problems. I don't have a problem with a good joke aimed at me as long as you can take one aimed at you.

I'm not a conserva-phobe more like a BORG-a-phobe. I fear the Brotherhood Of Rightwing Garbage or becoming assimilated as one of its members. Don't touch me...deflecting blows...

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

→ Syrius

Cut your losses and move on.  You injected at least three gay jokes into this thread, and you want to hold the moral high ground?

Just sit on your stool in the corner.

More like 4...

...and what moral high ground? I'm in the gutter with at least 7 to 8 posters attacking me. Yeah, that's fair and balanced. The one poster I haven't seen is PopTech with all his 'sodomite' speak. Oh, well...

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

So Syrius

I'm assuming you watch all the right wing movies out there (Passion of the Christ, One Night with the King, Nativity Story) before passing judgement?

Passion of the Christ...to be honest...

...was an absolute 'snuff' film. If you enjoyed it. then you are a sick sadist. Give me a list & I'll watch 'em. Will you watch my list?

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

I was under the impression

I was under the impression that "snuff" films are real and not staged. 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Notice the quotation marks...

You should show it to a bunch of kids & get their reaction. I know I wouldn't.

S

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

That still wouldn't make it

That still wouldn't make it a snuff film. 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

check out a local catechism

check out a local catechism class - they turn out just fine...

Syrius

Syrius,

Are you joking?

Passion of the Christ...to be honest...was an absolute 'snuff' film. If you enjoyed it. then you are a sick sadist.

Are you serious? A realistic portrayal of Christ's final days is a snuff film? And those that enjoyed it are sadists?

Let me correct you: the level of ignorance on display with such a comment is a snuff film, and anyone that would post it is a sadist!

And, I'm being kind!

I don't know who you are, but you should be ashamed of yourself for posting such comments here. There have been lots of depictions of Christ's final days on Earth in literature and movies. Are they all snuff films? Are all interested in reading or watching them sadists?

Honestly, this is one of the most absurd comments ever posted here, and if you want to be taken seriously by me in the future, you might want to apologize for airing such drivel. ns

Well said!

Well said! 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Noel...

...to be kind?

Are you serious? A realistic portrayal of Christ's final days is a snuff film? And those that enjoyed it are sadists?

Let me correct you: the level of ignorance on display with such a
comment is a snuff film, and anyone that would post it is a sadist!

I'll point you to a more poignant review...by David Edelstein...

"You're thinking there must be something to The Passion of the Christ besides watching a man tortured to death, right? Actually, no: This is a two-hour-and-six-minute snuff movie—The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre—that
thinks it's an act of faith. For Gibson, Jesus is defined not by his
teachings in life—by his message of mercy, social justice, and
self-abnegation, some of it rooted in the Jewish Torah, much of it
defiantly personal—but by the manner of his execution.

That
doesn't exactly put him outside the mainstream: The idea that Jesus
died for the sins of mankind is one of the central tenets of Christian
faith. But Gibson has chosen those sections of the Gospels (especially
the Gospel of Matthew) that reflect the tension between Jews and
Christians 50 years after the crucifixion, when the new religion's
proselytizers were trying to convert, rather than incite, the Roman
authorities. This is the sort of passion play that makes people mad.

Gibson
uses every weapon in his cinematic arsenal to drive home the agony of
those last dozen hours. While his mother and Mary Magdalene watch,
Jesus is lashed until his entire body is covered in bloody
crisscrossing canals. When he rises, amazing the Roman soldiers with
his stamina, they go for the scourges, which rip and puncture his flesh
in slow motion—all while the Romans and the Jews cackle wildly.
Carrying his cross, he falls again and again in slow motion on his
swollen, battered body while the soundtrack reverberates with heavy,
Dolby-ized thuds. It is almost a relief when the spikes are driven into
his hands and feet—at least it means that his pain is almost over.

What
does this protracted exercise in sadomasochism have to do with
Christian faith? I'm asking; I don't know. Gibson's revenge movies end
with payback—or, in Braveheart, the promise of payback to
come. When Jesus is resurrected, his expression is hard, and, as he
moves toward the entrance to his tomb, the camera lingers on a round
hole in his hand that goes all the way through. Gibson's Jesus reminded
me of the Terminator—he could be the Christianator—heading out into the
world to spread the bloody news. Next stop: the Crusades."-quoted from David Edelstein http://www.slate.com...

If you enjoyed the movie, that's fine, that's your opinion. I didn't and I stated mine with no apologies. By the way, Sadism is the derivation of pleasure as a result of the suffering of others. I only spoke the truth of what the movie depicts, so, now you label me a sadist because I didn't enjoy seeing a man suffering? or portrayed as suffering? I didn't enjoy the movie.

Syrius


"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

Syrius

Syrius,

So, people who enjoy war movies, Shakespearean tragedies, or any dramas with violence and/or death are sadists? That would make virtually all Americans sadists. Is that your position?

Furthermore, that any number of movie critics felt as you do doesn't make them right. I normally don't agree with movie critics, and find their opinions facile and sophomoric. Do you base your movie-watching on what others like?  ns

You are entitled to your opinion...

...as I am entitled to mine.

As a point of my own reference-
after the birth of my first child, I became more aware of society's
attraction of violence and death. You'll say since I'm a liberal, I'm more
sensitive than a conservative. I tend to- turn off the morning news
more, have a harder time watching programs & movies with violence
and death, etc. That's just me not anyone else. If I have an opinion of
a movie and the people who watch it, what's wrong with stating it? If
you have an opinion of me and disagree with my views, what's the
difference?

Interesting comments...

"Furthermore, that any number of movie critics felt as you do doesn't
make them right."
(Nor does it make them wrong.)

"I normally don't agree with movie critics, and find
their opinions facile and sophomoric. Do you base your movie-watching
on what others like?
"(Your
opinion is to not agree with their review and claim them as facile and
sophomoric. I'm okay with you stating your opinion. From my
recollection of my right to freedom of speech, I'm still allowed
to agree or disagree with what others like or dislike...and be able to
say it.)

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

Welcome to the world of

Welcome to the world of Syrius

It's like the Earth, except it's run by socialists and nothing works.

jack bauer 

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

USA,USA,USA!!!

Jack Bauer,

Since I don't live in England, I have no idea what
it means to live in a socialist enviroment. I'm a proud American &
fully support the Constitution of the United States and the American way of life. I'm a capitalist.
I'm more of a Centrist when it comes to my politics. I'm not a radical
right winger. I'm so glad we kicked the a$$ of the winging brits not
once but twice. I know you're bitter but get over it. Please add
something of value to this particular thread.

By the way, I
have no idea why you think I'm someone from your past. I was informed
from others, you did have an arch nemesis that you had banned. Let be clear, I'm not
that person. It is interesting how you get tweaked with the slightest
bit of criticism. You can dish it out but you can't take it.

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

Boy, Jack, Sryius really got

Boy, Jack, Sryius really got you good with that Revolutionary War zinger. Pow!
Next thing you know he will bring up the Normans....

BTW, Syrius, Leon is going to be upset that you are revealing what he thought was private "pillow talk" between the two of you. Tsk, tsk.

Help me out here Jack, Roger

Syruis says we clownstomped the British not once, but twice. I can only assume the second instance was the War of 1812?

The war where truce was called because things had stalled into an unending stalemate and the result was status quo ante bellum? That's the definition of a clownstomp?

This guy is more and more entertaining every day. He is even worse than the Prof.

Right you are. It was more

Right you are. It was more of a "Leon/Syrius slap battle" than a "clown-stomp"...

Treaty of Ghent:

Since they did not feel in danger of defeat -- and in fact were nearing the defeat of Napoleon -- the British struck hard terms: a "neutral" zone around the Great Lakes extending as far south as the Ohio River; removal of American fishing rights off Newfoundland; free British access to the Mississippi, and American demilitarization of the Great Lakes. The U.S. refused. Instead they wanted compensation for the impressment and for the captured ships.

As negotiations continued, news of the British losses at Lake Champlain, Lake Erie and Baltimore arrived, changing the British outlook. They promptly came to agreement to essentially return to the pre-war status quo, and signed the Treaty of Ghent on December 24, 1814.

 

LOL

David Edelstein giving a Christian film a bad review? You mean the same David Edelstein who recommended films like Zodiac and The Departed and said Michael Moore was a good film maker? The same David Edelstein who attacks Christianity with every available chance and once said in a movie review that Christians need Satan to act like a boogeyman or God would not be relevant?

Nice try getting an unbiased assessment of the film.

Oh, and just for the record, the gospel of Christ is defined by His death and resurrection. Being nice to everyone does not get you salvation. But I shouldn't expect someone like David Edelstein to get that.

There is a difference between watching a violent movie for the sake of enjoyment (which David Edelstien repeatedly recommends) or watching violence to understand the lives of those who went through it.

Opinions...

Candance,

Not that it matters, He's a film critic and gets paid.
You are allowed to have an opinion and that's what matters most. I
didn't like the movie, my opinion. I see it as a sadistic way to
portray the crucifixion of Christ, my opinion. I pointed to
Edelstein's single review as an opinion I agreed with, nothing more.
Opinions are biased. He wasn't giving an unbiased assessment but a critique of the movie. You have the right to agree or disagree.

And these comments...

"Oh, and just for the record, the gospel of Christ is defined by His death and resurrection."

I
know of the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Gospels
describe the miraculous birth, life, ministry, crucifixion, and
resurrection of Jesus Christ. Does a Gospel of Christ exist?

"Being nice to everyone does not get you salvation."

With so many interpretations, could you please define 'salvation'?

Thanks,

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

is this guy serious?

Do you always use such tedious arguments or do just do this on NB to make conservatives bored with you?

First you call someone homophobe for poking fun at a film they hadn't seen. Then you poke fun at a snuff film based on the opinion of an agnostic liberal who is known for bashing Christianity.

Then you show your ignorance of the Bible by asking the difference between the gospel of Jesus Christ and the gospel according to Matthew.

Then after your astute recollection of the gospel of Christ, you ask a Christian how they believe salvation is obtained.

I swear even Leon comes up with better arguments than this.

I commented on the right of having opinions...

Candance,

CA made a joke about the homosexual relationship between two
characters in a film's now defunct sequel. The joke is when someone
makes disparaging gay jokes you turn around and call them out so to
speak.

Reread my comments, I was definitely not poking fun at a 'snuff'
film but taking a firm stance against the depiction of the suffering of
a man. In this thread, I have not bashed Christianity.

I did point out, correctly I might add, your ignorance on the Bible
and the 'Gospel of Christ'. I'll repeat it does not exist. Do you mean
the Word of Christ through the Gospels?

I know everyone hates wiki, but, in this case...

http://en.wikipedia....

And, yes, I'm asking you what is your definition of salvation? You do know the definition of salvation varies according to different doctrines?

Syrius

 

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

Syr: Reread my comments, I

Syr: Reread my comments, I was definitely not poking fun at a 'snuff'
film but taking a firm stance against the depiction of the suffering of
a man. In this thread, I have not bashed Christianity.

And at the same time implied that Christians took a sadistic glee in watching it.

Syr:  I did point out, correctly I might add, your ignorance on the Bible
and the 'Gospel of Christ'. I'll repeat it does not exist. Do you mean
the Word of Christ through the Gospels?

Are you saying one unified community of disciples under one man's message came away and wrote books about it, all defining the core "message" in their own individual way?

Mark: This is what Gospel means to me, because the definition is under my exclusive authority, and no one else's.

Paul: This is what Gospel means to me, because the definition is under my exclusive authority, and no one else's.

Luke: This is what Gospel means to me, because the definition is under my exclusive authority, and no one else's.

This does not follow.

-PJ

 

 

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

PJ...your knowledge of the Bible...

Does the 'Gospel of Christ' exist?

It's a simple straightforward reasonable question...it's a 'yes' or 'no' answer, period.

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

Okay, I'll bite. Yes.  I

Okay, I'll bite. Yes.  I assert that a Gospel of Christ exists.  The question of course is, "In what form does it exist?"

You going to come at me with a retroactive argument from the basis of print history now? Or. . .what?

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

:looking at watch: . .

:looking at watch:

. . . 

Um, hello? That's it?

Where'd you go Syrius?

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Thanks for your answer...

Incorrect. The Bible does not have a specific "Gospel of Christ". The bible only refers to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

:sigh: C'mon Syrius.

:sigh:

C'mon Syrius. Bible or gospel? Which came first?

So print media is the only valid form of communication? I can't believe you're continuing to assert this.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

→ Syrius, Paul would disagree

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ - Rom 1:16.

Syriusly wrong

The Gospel is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

There are 4 renditions of the Gospel written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John...each with a different intended audience.

For example, the first of these Books is called The Gospel according to Matthew, but often referred to as the Gospel of Matthew...regardless, it is still the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

What really shocks me is

What really shocks me is that I call the game on 15:51, and then Syrius plays right into it an hour later just as predicted.

I mean seriously, I posted that stuff just for him; you'd think he'd actually consider it before making himself look bad.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Sorry, PJ...

...I'm not able to post as quickly as you would like, work beckons
for the working stiff. I'm still amazed this thread has gone on for so
long.

As for Candance, she had painted herself into a corner.
She firmly believed in what she stated & was proven wrong in her
assumption. I asked reasonable questions and am attacked for those
questions. Take a firm position and just stick with it. If proven
wrong, admit to it. If you want to believe in words written by men more
than two thousand years ago, be my guest. I'll keep my opinions on that
topic to myself for now...

Peace,

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

this guy is really something

You'll have to pardon the belated response as I also have responsibilites other than here.

I wasn't proven wrong in anything, and I didn't attack you for asking reasonable questions. I cited a phrase commonly used in the Bible, you attached a random qualifier to change the meaning of my post, and when I showed you my source you ignored me. How does that mean I attacked you?

And as for your snide remark about believing the words written in a book - there is the real crux of this argument. It didn't have anything to do with the definition of gospel. This whole thing happened because you criticised a movie for portraying the death of Christ and said Christians appreciated the film because of a sadistic impulse. I called you out for being a Christophobe and you denied it, yet here we are with you belittling Christians yet again.

PS Still waiting for the several different versions of salvation found within Christianity.

okay Syrius

Do me a favor sweetie. Go find a Bible, open to Mark, and read the title: The Gospel According to Mark. I didn't just pull that out of the air.

Then read the first verse of Mark which says "The Beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God."

Then read Paul's words in Romans where he says "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ" and again he says "I have fully preached the gospel of Christ."

Would you please stop looking up websites about the Bible and leave that stuff to us?

The definition of salvation is atonement of sin through Christs's blood shed on the cross. Please link me to any mainstream Christian denom that rebutts this claim.

 

 

That's according to the gospel of...

...Mark.

Sweetie,

Please cite the 'Gospel of Christ' and no others.

Thanks,

Syrius

"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott

 

?????????

Syrius you're delusional. I never said there was a book Jesus wrote about his own life. You are the one who keeps asserting a gospel is defined solely as a book someone writes.

The entire New Testament is the record of the Gospel of Christ...and I provided three different quotes to prove to you the authors were recording their personal interaction with said gospel.

Romans 15:29
But I know that when I come to you, I shall come in the fullness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:12
If others are partakers of this right over you, are we not even more? Nevertheless we have not used this right, but endure all things lest we hinder the gospel of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:18
What is my reward then? That when I preach the gospel, I may present the gospel of Christ without charge, that I may not abuse my authority in the gospel.

2 Corinthians 2:12
Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ’s gospel, and a door was opened to me by the Lord,

Galatians 1:7
which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.

Philippians 1:27
Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,

1 Thessalonians 3:2
and sent Timothy, our brother and minister of God, and our fellow laborer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you and encourage you concerning your faith,

 

And guess what...not a one of those came from any of the four "gospels" you so desperately cling to.

Face it Syrius, you made a knee-jerk reaction to question my knowledge, got shown up, and are now trying to narrow the definition of gospel to make yourself look right.

There is A gospel record someone writes to tell a story, and then there is THE gospel the writer wants readers to buy into. Your verbal acrobatics are really getting old.


 

Well done Candance, but I

Well done Candance, but I think Syrius has a hidden Ace up his sleeve.

He could easily assert that the term "gospel" is itself ambiguous, claiming a gospel of Paul is different from the Gospel of Mark (liberal theologians do this all the time). The reason of course being "all the obvious contradictions." This is the base argument for the old "No gospel of Christ" argument.

When you look at the definition of the word "gospel" all the churchy mysticism is stripped down, and what you have in the end is the word ("message") that is dependent on a certain individual's POV, The gospel of "X" etc.

With that, Syrius could also cite the "blind men and the elephant" argument, or the "traffic accident" analogy to the Bible, stating that each book came from a different POV that was written about the unknowable "whole."

But to do that, he would need cited contradictions between the authors. Otherwise, the account is a clear eyewitness account of three or more individuals.*

The Skeptic's Annotated Bible is an awesome Christian resource for this sort of thing. It strengthens your convictions like none other.

-PJ

*With all us amanuenses (Mark; Luke) left out of the spotlight. It's our lot in life. =)

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

of course Trach

I know Syrius will ignore my points and return with some new spin to keep claiming victory. I engaged him to highlight his predictable strategy and let the the other readers determine who is right.

This whole thing started because of the movie review HE posted in which the writer asserted that Jesus's good deeds done in His life were more important than His death. I made the point to Syrius that death on the cross was the reason Christ came to Earth and His preaching was the icing on the cake. Instead of debating this, he drew off topic to debate the definition of a gospel.

And we're still waiting for Syrius to hold up to his claim that some Christian denominations don't believe salvation comes by way of the cross.

Trach, Candance...keep up

Trach, Candance...keep up the "good fight"...treasures in Heaven, ya know.

v

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you." Matthew 5:11

Candance, I hope he doesn't

Candance, I hope he doesn't divert OT. I can't stand it when people pull dodgy stuff that. 

If you have a question, don't ask it with the assumption that it doesn't have an answer to begin with.  Probably the worse mistake ever.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

you know trach

It amazes me that the phrase "gospel of Christ" can be used a dozen times in the Bible, but someone who isn't even a Christian can theologically decide it doesn't exist based on an arbitrary qualifier.

Let's start saying the NY Times does not exist since it does not literally apply to time.

Welcome to the world of

Welcome to the world of Syrius.

It's like a fatter, even more bloated Michael Moore.

jack bauer

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

"By the way, Sadism is

"By the way, Sadism is the derivation of pleasure as a result of the suffering of others."

OK, but you are making an assumption that the people who are praising the movie enjoyed watching the suffering. Rather, they felt it was an important story to tell, and that it should not be censored in order to tell it right. Watching the movie, feeling that it is an important story to tell, does not make one a sadist.

Does your enjoyment of a film determine whether or not you think it was good or bad?

One follow-up question: Did you enjoy watching Schindler's List? 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

The "snuff film" argument

The "snuff film" argument hinges on whether the audience was intended to enjoy the torture and suffering or not.

Was the audience meant to enjoy it when Wallace was having his intestines pulled out in Braveheart?

Barring Henry VI, is the audience meant to enjoy it whenever Joan of Arc is burned at the stake?

Syrius, if a main character dies in a "tear-jerker chick flick" I double dare you to walk in on the audence and tell them all they get a sadistic thrill out of watching them die.

This is a forced argument in denial of both the author's intent and the audience's reception. And it's not only false, but effective, because people like Syrius can run around all day and freely tell his opponents what they really meant and doesn't have to even regard their feelings on the matter.

What he's implying is that Christians watching the film got some sort of sick; perverse joy out of it.  He doesn't bother actually asking a Christian (since their opinion is suspect anyway), so they're just arbitrarily slapped with the label of "sadist." 

All of this wins too, since inductive; subjective reasoning calls the shots in society right now.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Welcome to the world of

Welcome to the world of Syrius.

It's like the Earth, except it's in a parallel looniverse.

jack bauer

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Hoomophobes Syrius? It is