For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: the media have turned on Bill Clinton.
As NewsBusters reported here, here, and here, the press this weekend went on a frontal assault of former President Clinton. What is their goal?
Is this retaliation for his media bashing the past couple of months? Do they really want Barack Obama as the nominee, and not Hillary? After all, many leading Democrats believe that she will so energize Republicans that even if she wins the White House, the GOP could take back one or both chambers of Congress.
Or, are they really behind Hillary, and believe that Bill is getting in the way of her success?
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Bill Clinton Library
January 21, 2008 - 11:30 ET by drillanwrhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScoMhVZQnw
Too many MSM personalities
January 21, 2008 - 11:43 ET by JayTeeI don't subscribe to the "Conspiracy" theory on the MSM, there are too many personalities (or lack there of) to co-ordinate attacks on Clinton. They DO recognize when their OWN are doing Dumb things, be it Hillary or Bill.
While they share the Common Goal of electing a Dem and Trashing the Republican candidates not of their choosing, and seem to Co-ordinate across MSM boundaries, the MSM believes First and Foremost that "They" need to Control the World as we see it.
This is a Temporary Slap down of Wild Bill, and wishful thinking that Obama the Rock Star will continue to Win.
Congress is Broke, DC is broke, and both Obama and Romney can run on the FIX IT Platform, but Hillary cannot.
"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp" Doug Giles
What's wrong with Republican
January 21, 2008 - 12:07 ET by Chris NormanWhat in the hell is wrong with Republican voters in South Carolina? They're recognized for their conservatism, but they vote for McCain and Huckabee. Are they POLITICALLY DYSLEXIC?
Huckabee - Social Conservative
January 21, 2008 - 12:15 ET by vrwc13I the battle here at NB on "Who's a Conservative and Who's a RINO", blogger MikeknaJ makes a good point below:
But first a definition:
A social conservative believes in "traditional morality and social mores and the desire to preserve these in present day society, often through civil law or regulation. Social change is generally regarded as suspect, while social values based on tradition are generally regarded as tried, tested and true. It is a view commonly associated with conservative religious groups, militarism and nationalism." [1]
"One who favors social policies based on a particular reading of Judeo-Christian values, generally in favor of public prayer and the right to own guns, and opposed to abortion rights, same-sex marriage and the teaching of evolution in public schools." Source Watch
MikeknaJ says:
Actually, the reason he's still in the race is because he is a social conservative in a race where for too long there wasn't anyone holding that mantle. Social conservatives are just as important to the party as fiscals and national securities, and that was forgotten by those in the lead back in early/mid '07.
Plus, he's a superb communicator and a genuinely likable guy. If he didn't have those communication skills and the kind of personality he had he never would've catapulted from nowheresville in the polls to a first-tier candidate like he has because his message would've been overlooked. And that wasn't the media that did it. It was his performances in the early debates and a grassroots movement that coalesced behind him afterwards. Admittedly, though, it's a tough battle for him now to move forward from where he is, with the South Carolina loss. MikeknaJ http://newsbusters.o...
Conservatism can be seen as a 3 or 4 legged stool. One of those legs is "social". Huckabee ranks the highest here. It's the other "legs" of conservative that have been debated about Huckabee.
McCain on the other hand got the moderate/independent vote.
btw: idf you go to his site: http://www.mikehucka...
His banner is Faith Family Freedom - I agree with all three and in particular the order in which he places them.
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The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.
Thomas Jefferson
→ You're right amigo
January 21, 2008 - 12:16 ET by Cool ArrowAnd there elitests on every leg of that stool whose leanings have nothing to do with the other legs.
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I think you got it! Because
January 21, 2008 - 12:25 ET by vrwc13I think you got it!
Because of the vast amount of debate here on who's a conservative or RINO, I have tried to find an "solid" definition of "conservative". And only after Mike's blog did I realize the concept of the "stool".
Every "conservative" here will have some diferences on each "leg". Maybe the best conservative is the one with the best balanced "stool".
v
The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.
Thomas Jefferson
There seems to be a huge
January 21, 2008 - 12:18 ET by Chris NormanThere seems to be a huge disconnect with the conservatives who comment here and the GOP votership at large. From the breadth of comments I've read over the last couple of years, I thought we had a fairly representative sampling of conservatives here, but I now I begin to think that conservatives here are much more astute and discerning than those who are now going to the polls.
Thanks CN
January 21, 2008 - 12:32 ET by CaringwhiteguyTake a look in the mirror. You are astute and discerning in your own right.
I also think the issue would be far less troubling if there was really a strong viable candidate who offered a better choice across the conservative spectrum. We want a leader! We want someone to carry the banner! And therefore the cause of the disconnect is that there is no one with whom to CONNECT.
That's why I'm afraid that
January 21, 2008 - 12:37 ET by Chris NormanThat's why I'm afraid that '08 is going to be a bad year for us. To get everyone rowing in the same direction again, the nominee needs to be almost larger than life. I guess what I'm saying is we need another Reagan, as cliched as that sounds...
Yet, to blunt Huckabee's campaign among
January 21, 2008 - 12:38 ET by RJ"social conservative" evangelicals in South Carolina, conservative Fred Thompson went into Huckabee's stronghold and took enough votes to kill his chances of winning the primary. Why was he able to do that?
Because those voters recognized that Huckabee is a faux "conservative."
"I really like Mike Huckabee." -uber lib Mika Brezinski
"…you are entitled to your
January 21, 2008 - 12:44 ET by vrwc13"…you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts." -the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
Wow! Dynamite response, vrwc!
January 21, 2008 - 12:55 ET by RJA beautifully crafted argument of exactly the type we've come to expect from you. ;^>
"I really like Mike Huckabee." -uber lib Mika Brezinski
Just trying to avoid a "pissn" match with ya RJ..
January 21, 2008 - 13:12 ET by vrwc13'cause it's your candidate Romney who flunks the "social conservative" "leg" so badly that his stool don't stand up!
"One who favors social policies based on a particular reading of Judeo-Christian values, generally in favor of public prayer and the right to own guns, and opposed to abortion rights, same-sex marriage and the teaching of evolution in public schools." Source Watch
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Is that how you think of your posts, vrwc?
January 21, 2008 - 13:19 ET by RJ"pissn".....wery interestink....
But you're changing the subject again. My post responded to your assertion that Huckabee is a conservative.
"I really like Mike Huckabee." -uber liberal Mika Brezinski
"I really like Mike Huckabee." -uber liberal Mika Brezinski
January 21, 2008 - 15:23 ET by vrwc13...great, a social conservative Republican who can reach across party lines.
v
Social Conservative:
"One who favors social policies based on a particular reading of Judeo-Christian values, generally in favor of public prayer and the right to own guns, and opposed to abortion rights, same-sex marriage and the teaching of evolution in public schools." Source Watch
Responding to my tag and not my post, vrwc?
January 21, 2008 - 15:48 ET by RJ....and you think it's a good thing that an uber lib like Mika claims to like Huckabee? That doesn't raise alarm bells for you? No, of course it wouldn't. Your presidental selection is an emotional decision, not a rational one.
Instead of emotion, try some critical thinking for a change, vrwc. The only reason Mika says she likes Huckabee is that she knows his flimsy shell of a candidacy will be easily rippped apart if he's the Repubican nominee.
"I really like Mike Huckabee." -uber liberal Mika Brezinski
Faith, Family, Freedom - Huckabee.com...
January 21, 2008 - 15:58 ET by vrwc13...I would think you would agree with that. And in particular, in that order...Faith, Family , Freedom
RJ the new Karnac: knows what's in the mind(s) of liberals: "The only reason Mika says she likes Huckabee is that she knows his flimsy shell of a candidacy will be easily rippped apart if he's the Repubican nominee." RJ Karnac
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"One who favors social policies based on a particular reading of Judeo-Christian values, generally in favor of public prayer and the right to own guns, and opposed to abortion rights, same-sex marriage and the teaching of evolution in public schools." Source Watch
Not that you'd understand, vrwc, but by using observation
January 21, 2008 - 17:37 ET by RJand critical evalutation, it's not necessary to be a Karnac. I'll leave the occult to you and your emotion-based presidental choices.
See, Mika says she "really likes Huckabee", but she also frequently ridicules his religion. In fact, she's done that so often Joe Scarborough says she's going to hell and even got Huckabee to agree with that.
Still think Huckabee "crosses political lines?"
"I really like Mike Huckabee" -uber lib Mika Brezinski
Never underestimate the power of MSM
January 21, 2008 - 12:10 ET by JayTeeThe MSM still SELLS......Beer, Chips, Viagra, Candidates, etc...Watch out Public !! Don't buy everything they're selling.
Don't Missunderestimate the MSM power of Advertising. They are Pushing a new Candidate upon the populace after EACH PRIMARY. It was McCains Turn.
The MSM can't count.......especially Total DELEGATES to the Convention. They've been tring to Ignore Romney, soon they will NOT be able to Ignore him.
"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp" Doug Giles
The way they're treating
January 21, 2008 - 12:19 ET by Chris NormanThe way they're treating these primaries (Fox included), you'd think each one was the 2008 election itself.
exactly.....Primaries are too dull, the MSM is dressing them up
January 21, 2008 - 12:27 ET by JayTeeSC is Military Country.....and McCain was the only Bush supporter on the War....thus McCain takes SC.
"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp" Doug Giles
And support of the war
January 21, 2008 - 12:40 ET by Chris NormanAnd support of the war trumped all the other work McCain did to undermine and thwart Bush and the GOP? Yikes. Like I said the other day, McCain has been the gum on the shoe of the Republcan Party.
Mc Cain lost 10% from 2004 till this round
January 21, 2008 - 13:40 ET by JayTeeMcCain lost votes this time around, he got 42% in 2004.
"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp" Doug Giles
Here's one reason
January 21, 2008 - 12:13 ET by ricklailGoof- double post
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
Here's one reason
January 21, 2008 - 12:11 ET by ricklailOver the years a lot of folks have moved to SC from the north. Most of them were moderates. The conservative vote was split. So a win for McCain. I couldn't understand it either. Lindsey "Gobber" Graham was a big backer of McCain. Him and McCain were big pals on immigration. Rednecks no longer rule in the Palmetto State.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
I lived in NC for years, and
January 21, 2008 - 12:22 ET by Chris NormanI lived in NC for years, and I've got to say, despite a major influx of yankees, the GOP electorate stayed pretty conservative and elected very conservative Republicans (not that it was always enough to counteract the liberal urban areas).
You also have these folks
January 21, 2008 - 12:30 ET by vrwc13You also have these folks coming to SC:
http://www.christian...
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The reason that Christianity is the best friend of government is because Christianity is the only religion that changes the heart.
Thomas Jefferson
Wow. I guess in my own
January 21, 2008 - 12:43 ET by Chris NormanWow. I guess in my own little world, I don't realize that there's stuff out there, like that.
It's all part of the Vast
January 21, 2008 - 12:47 ET by vrwc13It's all part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that everyone thought Hillary made up.
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"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people" -HRC
I must have my VRC cell
January 21, 2008 - 14:51 ET by Chris NormanI must have my VRC cell contact their cell.
And now, today's MLK Day
January 21, 2008 - 11:49 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's MLK Day edition of The Shrub Report®:
Get those environmentally-safe tissues ready for your Progressive comrades: 84 years ago today, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin died. Blot those tears, comrades. Rejoice! Today is also the birthday of Roger Baldwin, a founder of the ACLU!
Any chance of the G-men ruining the Patsies' perfect season falls into the lap of this man.
Keep telling yourself, Ron Paul is NOT an anti-Semitic bigot, and the story about Al-Qaeda killing Bhutto was just plain silly.
When Liberalism(fantasy) meets Capitalism (reality).
When Indoctrinization, er, "higher learning" meets reality.
Hatemongering US Immigration rules are pissing off whiny Mexico.
DasBlimp is grounded. It is sad to see sheer genius hampered by reality.
Pittsburgh has the highest debt per capita of any major city in the USA. Shockingly, the city has been under Democrat(ic) control for the past 60 years. These facts are completely unrelated, of course.
An eclectic bunch claim this day as their birthday: Stonewall Jackson, Placido Domingo, Wolfman Jack, Richard Winters (the guy immortalized in "Band of Brothers"), Benny Hill, and The Polish Hammer, aka Ivan Putski…
Once again, where is the IRS? Where?!?!?!
Who ever said the followers of Islam are mired in the 10th-century? At least there is not liberal media bias in reporting Ashura…
Here's an update on the Al-Qaeda NON-PRESENCE in Iraq, just for Alan Colmes. Speaking of poor Leon, what is he going to do, knowing that his musical hero is now Not-so-slim Shady?
Speaking of the religion of peace, it's time for Al-Qaeda Bloopers!
And, finally, (spoiler alert!) the secret of "Cloverfield" is revealed!
"When Indoctrinization, er,
January 21, 2008 - 12:12 ET by Carl Kolchak"When Indoctrinization, er, "higher learning" meets reality
Roger, those current students at Antioch will make fine NKVD agents, and will soon be rounding up those who don't adhere to strict Communist policies. We will also be infiltrating your high schools, elementary school, and pre-schools, to find our future NKVD agents to run our Gulags.
Sincerely
Lavrenty Beria
"The Chancellor-the late chancellor-was only part correct. He was obsolete. But so was the State, the entity he worshiped. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete. A case to be filed under 'M' for Mankind in the Twilight Zone" Rod Serling
Carl Kolchack's Obscure
January 21, 2008 - 12:21 ET by Roger the ShrubberCarl Kolchack's Obscure Reference of the Day, hahaha...
Bush Movie by Oliver "Hate the US" Stone
January 21, 2008 - 11:52 ET by GothampcOliver Stone is set to make a movie about George W. Bush.
And yes, if things go the way Stone plans, it will be ready in time for the POTUS election.
"If financing materializes quickly enough, the film could start production by April and could be in theaters for the election or the inauguration."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117979349.html?categoryid=10&cs=1
Will the Democrat nominee
January 21, 2008 - 12:24 ET by motherbeltExpect him to push production so it's out before November. Will the Democrat nominee have to claim the movie as an "in kind contribution" to their campaign?
Taxpayer funded
January 21, 2008 - 13:39 ET by GothampcKnowing the Dimocrats, they'll get taxpayers to pay for it by calling it a documentary and showing it on PBS.
→ A better plan?
January 21, 2008 - 11:52 ET by Cool ArrowYou don't get to be a Rhodes Scholar and President of the US on looks.
If Bill still has his faculties, (and I think he does) he observed how much more effective his Wife was as a victim.
Maybe he's gone "village idiot", but my guess is he's drawing fire. And playing village idiot gives him license to say all sorts of outlandish things.
While we marvelled at his consummate gall, a whole bunch of White Yayhoos marshalled themselves to the polls to thwart that Mexican Mafia aka Culinary Workers Union.
Anybody think his words didn't fall differently on Nevadan's ears? Of course they did.
I ♣ My Seal
Cool
January 21, 2008 - 12:02 ET by ricklailClinton is so smart he is stupid. I mean he may have a genius IQ but he has no common sense. Hillary is the same.When I was in high school my shop teacher used to talk about people like him, brainy, that didn't have the sense to change oil in a lawn mower.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
→ right rick
January 21, 2008 - 12:36 ET by Cool ArrowAnd when you graduated from college, he was still a shop teacher.
I ♣ My Seal
Cool
January 21, 2008 - 18:50 ET by ricklailHe was the man that had a lot of influence on my chosen career. I didn't go to college. When I got out of high school I joined the Army not knowing what I wanted to do. By the way, I didn't learn any marketable skills from the Army. Nobody was needing a light weigh infantry man or a 4 duece motar crewman. When I got out, I remembered that Mr. "Doc" Adams said I had a lot of mechanical talent. I went to tech school. I spent 23 years working doing maintenance for the power company on power plants. I am the maintenance supervisor in a large prison now. Doc was right on that account and many other things.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
That reminds me... I need
January 21, 2008 - 13:15 ET by Hero SquadThat reminds me... I need to change the oil in my lawn mower.
*****
"There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people who ask questions." - Chris Berman
Eating my words
January 21, 2008 - 11:58 ET by ricklailYesterday I said some things about Eli Manning that were not too flattering. Today I must eat my words. I guess it comes from watching too much ESPN, listening to too much ESPN Radio and Sporting News Radio, and reading The Sporting News. We don’t get to see the Giants here in NC that much, so I was basing my words on the sports media. Boy were they wrong. Eli looked a lot better in this game than Payton did against the Chargers. Also Kikki Barber is even more full of crap than Keith Overbite. He blamed all the Giants woos last year on Coughlin. Kikki is no longer there and the Giants are going to the Super Bowl. Does it occur to him now that he was the problem?
Can they beat the Pats? I am a believer now so I would say YES without any hesitation. I learned my lesson. I don’t put much stock in what the MSM says so why should I put any confidence in people like Mel Kipper or Arnie Spanier?
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
Giants
January 21, 2008 - 12:10 ET by Gat New YorkThe line has Pats and 14 points. If memory serves me, wasn't it just a matters of weeks ago that the Pats barely beat them?
I agree, forget the points, take the Giants to win. Eli has arrived.
Yay for Eli
January 21, 2008 - 12:49 ET by candanceI watched the Giants/Pats game last month and was impressed with Eli then. He got the Pats rattled in the first half and came the closest I'd seen to pulling an upset. I knew then the Giants would go somewhere.
Eli struggled in the early season but I think the Giants found the perfect time to peak. They outplayed the Packers on nearly every possession and clownstomped Al Harris. The score was deceptively close because of that one good pass Favre threw for that long touchdown.
If and that's a big IF Brady shows up to the SB playing like he did yesterday and Eli/Burress are still hot, the Pats could be in trouble.
Candance, don't put too much into the QBs performance
January 21, 2008 - 13:08 ET by RJyesterday. It seemed to me that ALL of them were affected by frozen fingers.
On another subject, when the Giants won yesterday, I was worried that, like an all-Noreheast World Series, an all-Northeast SuperBowl wouldn't get much interest. But, judging from the postings here, it's apparent that most of the country will tune in, hoping to watch the Pats get whipped.
Sorry to disappoint y'all, but that just ain't gonna happen. :^)
Well RJ
January 21, 2008 - 13:18 ET by candanceIt wasn't just Eli who won the game for them, I agree. The Giants defense kept the Packers from advancing as fast as they needed to. Most of Eli's missed attempts bounced out of someone's hands while Manning's missed attempts bounced off the grass.
And the Packers gave the game away with all those penalties. Come on, two back to back on the same drive to give the Giants first down? Not to mention they couldn't get an interception the whole time while the Giants picked one off in OT.
The Giants beat them in every facet.
Penalities
January 21, 2008 - 13:26 ET by RJ=frozen brains?
I'm not taking anything away from the Giants, just saying that yesterday's games don't give much indication of what to expect in the SuperBowl.
Big oops
January 21, 2008 - 13:59 ET by candanceJust read through my above post and noticed I inserted Manning instead of Favre. Yeah that made a lot of sense!
Well I'm not necessarily basing my opinion entirely on yesterday's games either. Like I said before, the Giants struggled in the late season but had some pretty convincing wins over Dallas and Tampa. The Patriots had to rally a comeback to beat them in December.
I also think you're putting a little too much blame on the cold. The Giants were supposed to be the ones not used to it, but they played as well as ever. I don't think those penalties were signs of frozen brains. I think they were signs of frustration.
We'll just have to disagree about the cold, candance
January 21, 2008 - 14:19 ET by RJ...but here's my argument:
ALL the QBs were throwing off-target and off-rythm throughout their games. The punters were often short and off target. You can call multiple penalities toward the end of the game "frustration", but by that time the cold had seeped into their bodies and thinking DOES slow down when you're chilled.
Also, several players were temporarily sidelined due to "cramps" caused by dehydration, and we'll never know how many other players were also affected by dehydration. As a winter camper, I can tell you that it's easier to get dehydrated in the winter than summer for two reasons: first because many people forget to hydrate in the winter and second because they don't notice it as quickly.
So, yes, I would say the extreme cold had a MAJOR effect on the games.
Mostly agree RJ
January 21, 2008 - 14:26 ET by candanceI agree the cold affected both teams and yes guys were getting cramps out there. I just don't think that was the reason the Packers lost.
Pats vs. Giants... Well,
January 21, 2008 - 19:39 ET by JerPats vs. Giants...
Well, here are my .02 cents worth....Oh, what the heck, I'm going to get really brazen and up it to .03 cents!
My sentimental choice is the Giants...primarily because I've been a Manning fan since daddy Archie's days at Ole Miss. Later, a huge Peyton Manning admirer throughout his collegiate career at Tenn., culminating with his being absolutely robbed of the Heisman in the third greatest injustice in the history of sports [1. Jim Thorpe stripped of Olympic medals 2. Ali wrongly deprived of over 4 years of his boxing career when he was in his prime]. Peyton's record in college was so outstanding by every possible standard of greatness that if there had been no Heisman award, it would (or should) have been invented for him...and yet they gave it to a junior defensive back!
I have never felt Eli was anywhere near as talented as his brother, but I can't help but root for him.
On the other hand, as much as I have tried to deny Tom Brady's greatness, I am forced to acknowledge reality. That, coupled with the fact that Belichek (sp?) is far and away the best coach in the NFL, leaves me no altenative but to pick the Pats--by 9. [I have no idea what the official line is, but nine is mine...bank on it!]
Jer
→ RJ
January 21, 2008 - 14:08 ET by Cool ArrowIf last night is any indicator, you can expect the Pats to score 7 points following every NY field goal (or missed field goal)
Manning kept them coming back, but don't you think the Pats would have scored on at least one of those last three drives?
I ♣ My Seal
Cool
January 21, 2008 - 14:13 ET by candanceNo way am I saying the Pats will lose. I'm not THAT delusional. Just saying the Giants are good this year and deserved another chance to play them.
I expect the game to be just like the last one - close until the second half and then the Pats start pulling away.
→ Candace
January 21, 2008 - 14:18 ET by Cool ArrowHate to say it, (Cowboys fan) but this is the best team I've ever seen.
I'm thinking 14 points is a conservative spread. It could actually increase by game day.
I ♣ My Seal
Here's some fun for all you
January 21, 2008 - 12:03 ET by balboaHere's some fun for all you conservatives on a Monday morning:
Oliver Stone wants to do a movie about George, W, Bush. I kid you not:
http://gawker.com/34...
And somehow, I'm not
January 21, 2008 - 12:06 ET by Chris NormanAnd somehow, I'm not surprised.
Check up above you guys;
January 21, 2008 - 12:27 ET by motherbeltCheck up above you guys; gothampc beat you to it.
I saw it. I didn't want to
January 21, 2008 - 12:45 ET by Chris NormanI saw it. I didn't want to hurt Bal's feelings by pointing it out. See, I'm a sensitive, caring, kind of guy. :)
Not me, I'll jump right in
January 21, 2008 - 13:34 ET by motherbeltNot me, I'll jump right in there...on both of you!!
LOL
Stone out to stop Bush 'stealing' 3rd term!
January 21, 2008 - 12:36 ET by Jack BauerSure, he's hoping it'll galvanize Democrats to pull out all the stops to stop Bush stealing a third term.
Yes, the media has turned on Clinton.
January 21, 2008 - 12:25 ET by Missouri ConservativeRemember, first and foremost, the mainstream media wants a Democrat in the White House. They now recognize that Hillary will likely not be able to deliver on that, plus, as mentioned in the blog, she will endanger many incumbent Democrat congressmen and Senators. The media views Barack Obama as someone who can win the White House for the Dems, and thus they are propping him up.
"women and minorities hardest hit"
Glenn Beck was talking about
January 21, 2008 - 12:30 ET by Roger the ShrubberGlenn Beck was talking about Sean Penn, and now Penn's Wikipedia page is getting changed by listeners. It's pretty funny seeing it literally modified by the minute.
Atop the Sean Penn Page:
January 21, 2008 - 15:51 ET by Hero SquadSo... what exactly went on here?
*****
"There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people who ask questions." - Chris Berman
If you think the battle is
January 21, 2008 - 12:32 ET by motherbeltIf you think the battle is over since the State of California was made to back down on its plan to control in-home thermostats....think again. They (environmental fundamentalists) are just regrouping; expect future assaults on your freedoms.
Global Warming, the All-purpose Force To Control Your Life
He saves the money quote for last:
“Carbon footprint” is code for limitless government intrusion into every detail of your life. Nothing is beyond the reach of a government determined to reduce your carbon footprint in the name of the environment. To these people, nothing is sacred, nothing is private, nothing is truly yours.
Bills Blubbing
January 21, 2008 - 12:39 ET by Jay in NHThe simple analogy is to that of a spoiled kid, he was so used to being deferred to, that any basic critical analysis is offensive to him. By the way, if the media is upset about being bashed now, where the hell were they when he lectured Chris Wallace while waving his bloated finger in his face last year?
Anti-war lawyer keys Marine's car, meets ex-Marine judge
January 21, 2008 - 12:59 ET by Jack BauerGOOD NEWS STORY...
When a crazy, anti-war liberal LAWYER decided to damage a car he saw with military plates, he had no idea what was about to befall him.
The Marine prosecuted him, the court was full of Marines, and the crazy lawyer tried to DISS the judge... a judge who just happened to be a former MARINE..
HURAAAH folks, now read the full story... it's well worth it...
http://www.chicagotr...
Great story
January 21, 2008 - 13:39 ET by motherbeltDid you do this?
"Without knowing, yes."
The man is pond scum.
mother -- as noel would
January 21, 2008 - 14:03 ET by Jack Bauermother -- as noel would say.. too delicious.
Depends on the meaning of do....
January 21, 2008 - 14:41 ET by PawpawNJust like that imfamous Lib, BJC, depends on the meaning of do... What a perfect example of what makes people so despise lawyers, when not all are bad. "Without knowing", well can they get him for alcohol or drugs or insanity and strip his license. Kinda like the story I always heard on why Demi moore left Bruce Willis....seems he just slipped and happened to fall into his housecleaner's, well you get what I mean!
Cloverfield
January 21, 2008 - 13:22 ET by Hero SquadAnyone see Cloverfield this weekend? Saw it did bang-up business ($41 mil), doubling the grosses of that "27 Dresses" chick flick.
Is it worth the hype?
*****
"There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people who ask questions." - Chris Berman
I had no desire to see Cloverfield but now
January 21, 2008 - 13:31 ET by Dee BunkI'm very curious. After finding out it was done by the people who did "Lost" I became a little more interested. Then when I went to the theater to see something else there were warnings that Cloverfield could cause motion sickness and was like when riding a roller coaster. That made me more curious. Then my son saw it and he thinks I would like it and the guy in my local paper gave it 4 (out of 4) stars.
I'm probably going to see it now.
Dee, here's the new
January 21, 2008 - 14:06 ET by motherbeltDee, here's the new theatrical trailer for it....it does look a little dizzying....
You aren't kidding MB!
January 21, 2008 - 15:39 ET by Dee BunkI got kind of sick just watching that! It does look good though and I'm going to have to see this one in the theater even if it makes me sick because it will never be the same on DVD.
Yeah, it's one of those
January 21, 2008 - 15:55 ET by motherbeltYeah, it's one of those movies you have to see on a BIG screen! LOL
Not my kind of movie, though, and I don't mean the dizzy parts!
hero -- monster smash!
January 21, 2008 - 13:55 ET by Jack Bauerhero -- hate to blow my own trumpet (I said trumpet Mr Clinton) but I will..
I was thinking of your post
January 21, 2008 - 14:21 ET by Hero SquadI was thinking of your post and this thread when I saw the box office figures. You were spot on with Cloverfield; pretty close with the dress movie.
Ask 100 people which of those two movies will do better, and 99 will say the action flick. Replace Geist with another random person, and the figure goes up to an even 100 out of 100.
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"There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people who ask questions." - Chris Berman
hero -- oh sure, no great
January 21, 2008 - 14:25 ET by Jack Bauerhero -- oh sure, no great shakes in my monster flick chick analysis.
Anyone who actually bothers to pay and GO TO THE MOVIES amongst REAL PEOPLE (unlike Geist) would know that!
But thought I did boffo on the figures!
If you haven't kept up with
January 21, 2008 - 14:01 ET by motherbeltIf you haven't kept up with the Bob Grant flap (a radio industry magazine withdrew his Lifetime Achievement Award before it was given), Radio Equalizer Brian Maloney has the rundown, complete with links back to the beginnin of the story, and a rebuttal today by "The Great One" Mark Levin.
Eugene Robinson column
January 21, 2008 - 14:46 ET by PawpawNToday's Charlottesville, Va Daily Progress has column by Washington Post Writers Group's Eugene Robinson, "VOTERS HAVE MYRIAD OF CHOICES". Talks highly of all Dim candidates but not very good about GOP ones. Only says Ron Paul[of all people] the only GOP candidate right on issues. Slams the "WEIRD IDEA OF REPLACING INCOME TAX WITH CONSUMPTION TAX". A silly read for everyone.
Being an illegal alien
January 21, 2008 - 14:50 ET by Roger the ShrubberBeing an illegal alien harboring racist politician os O-TAY. If you are a Democrat(ic), of course.
Romney & Dims
January 21, 2008 - 15:01 ET by PawpawNI'd rather vote for someone who believes in GOD rather than DIMs who don't. They believe only in one higher power - GOVERNMENT! Can't see Repubs shying about from asute businessman, true leader, family man, values man, etc. Mormon or not, he's the best candidate on either side.
Who's judging here...
January 21, 2008 - 15:20 ET by vrwc13"I'd rather vote for someone who believes in GOD..." PawpawN
Clinton: United Methodist
Edwards: United Methodist
Obama: United Church of Christ
Guiliani: Catholic
Huckabee: Baptist
McCain: Baptist
Paul: Baptist
Romney: Mormon
Thompson: Church of Christ
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Social Conservative:
"One who favors social policies based on a particular reading of Judeo-Christian values, generally in favor of public prayer and the right to own guns, and opposed to abortion rights, same-sex marriage and the teaching of evolution in public schools." Source Watch
Exactly right! The
January 21, 2008 - 17:18 ET by Gary P JacksonExactly right!
The transcripts aren't up at his website yet, but Rush did an excellent job of contrasting Romney against McCain and Huckster today. It pointed