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And now, today's Shrub
January 8, 2008 - 11:56 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's Shrub Report®:
Today would have been Graham Chapman's 67th birthday.
Apparently, Tata means Yugo in Hindi.
We would never have figured this riddle and this conundrum out ourselves. I wonder how much tax money went into these studies?
Turkish-US relations improve. At the Capitol, a collective "dammit" was heard from the left side of the aisle.
Who woulda thunk the Al Gore election fiasco in 2000 would have spawned crybaby whining from every corner of the globe when there is an election? Mexico did it, Kenya is doing it, and now, and now Georgia is doing it! Quite a legacy, eh, my Progressive comrades?
Here you go, Leon. The answer to all of your dreams!
Venezuela is more violent than Iraq? Aye Caramba!
For all of your fantasy fans, today is the birthday of fantasy artist Boris Vallejo, Shannara creator Terry Brooks, and John McTiernan (director of "The 13th Warrior" & "Predator") turns 57.
And finally, Hillary cried, but nobody died.
Graham Chapman
January 8, 2008 - 13:30 ET by Hero SquadAh yes, now and forever aged 48, he will always be the youngest member of Monty Python (as one of the surviving members once astutely noted.
*****
"There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people who ask questions." - Chris Berman
"On second thought, let's
January 8, 2008 - 15:26 ET by Airforce_5_O"On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. It is a silly place."
RIP Graham.
Shrubster - You forgot
January 8, 2008 - 18:51 ET by FastEdthat us in the great blue Garden State are SORRY for slavery - we have apologized - I'd like the politicos of this state to apologize for waisting our tax monies!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Finally! Video of BOR's
January 8, 2008 - 11:56 ET by balboaFinally! Video of BOR's scuffle!
http://gawker.com/50...
Looks to me like he's just being and overreacting douche. Shocking.
He should not have touched
January 8, 2008 - 12:03 ET by JasonCHe should not have touched the guy. Bad bad move. And just as BOR has a right to try to get footage of Obama, that staffer has a right to stand where he pleases. Let's not forget who was on which side of the barrier here, Bill. And the fact that almost half of his show last night was dedicated to bloviating about the incident (which only became an "incident" by virtue of Bill yelling at/grabbing the guy) just proves that BOR is eminently proud that people again got to see and hear him in his full-throttle Jeremy Glick-berating mode
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
This goes back to freedom of the press
January 8, 2008 - 12:15 ET by StephCNot that I think O'Reilly handled it properly. I agree with you that he shouldn't have touched the guy. However, on the other side of that conflict the guy was deliberately blocking the shot. Being an Obama staffer, he should have known better and it speaks volumes toward Obama's availability to the press if he manages to grab the presidency... only the media which whorships him will be allowed.
}}---> O"Reilly again
January 8, 2008 - 12:22 ET by Cool ArrowIf he'd gotten physical with a gorgon like Rosie O, there might be some problem with it, but I'm not thinking Godzilla, at 6'8" was feeling physically threatened.
I ♣ My Seal
First you Ask, then you have the laying on of the hands
January 8, 2008 - 12:29 ET by JayTeeBill O first asked the Guy, advised him he was taking a Pic.....then he laid a hand on the Guy.
What would any MSM have done ? What would the Paparazzi done ? A lot more pushing and shoving I would Imagine. It was a non Event, and certainly a lot less shouting than Code Pink would have done at a Congressional hearing....(perspective)
This hasn't a thing to do
January 8, 2008 - 12:36 ET by JasonCThis hasn't a thing to do with freedom of the press. If Obama's crew had seized the video footage I might agree with you. If anything it has to do with a guy working in a high-security area and the right to stand where one pleases.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
I gotta disagree on many
January 8, 2008 - 13:07 ET by BinxlyI gotta disagree on many accounts with that steph. #1, if he is a staffer working directly under Obama, then yea, its a bit shady, but we don't know that. This was at a rally I believe at a college campus. In such settings, the school hires their own 'security' and in a case like this, the 'staffer' could very well have been a student volunteer who was donning an Obama jacket. Plus, the guy might've been an ultra lib who has a bone to pick with O'Reilly. It doesn't mean Obama himself controls this 'filter.'
#2 Obama made a concerted effort, and O'Reilly even commended him for it, to at least greet Bill and even made a claim that he would go onto the factor after the primaries when he had more time.
He may be a liberal, and he may have more left leaning policies than I'd ever care to see, yet after reading his book and giving him an objective chance, I can say that some of his policies do make sense economically, the only difference being how to approach. "There's more than one way to skin a cat" they say, and Obama strongly believes his way is the best, I am not so sure, but time will tell if he wins the Presidency.
I gotta say I too think Bill was a lil over the top, I think merely a calm statement that the kid blocking the shot was classless was more than enough. I think Bill's heart is in the right place, he's just *too* sure that he has the *only* correct answer too often. He may be alot of things, but objectivity is something he struggles with, as I think we all do.
}}---> O'Reilly
January 8, 2008 - 12:05 ET by Cool ArrowLooked to me pretty much the way he said it would be when he called it in to Fox&Friends.
He warned us it was much less confrontation than the other media were reporting.
But to those who wish to feel that way, I guess there's any number of reasons to call him an overreacting douche.
I ♣ My Seal
Finally bal...??? it was
January 8, 2008 - 12:16 ET by Jack BauerFinally bal...???
it was played multiple times on O'reilly kast night. His first show of the week.
The only douche in the video was the jerk who deliberately chose to block the Fox camerman numerous times, even though BOR was standing BEHIND the line.
That would be at a rally that's part of the democratic process of chosing a Presdient for the whole country.
Are people working for democrats so crazed they can't even stand the thought of shots of their candidates even "appearing" on Fox?
You want to defend boorish, childish behavior by an Obama operative, go right ahead.
Yeah, I don't watch BOR if
January 8, 2008 - 12:21 ET by balboaYeah, I don't watch BOR if I don't have to, so this is the first time I discovered it online.
And I think it's hard to discern the intent of the Obama guy from the video. But even if he was intentionally blocking the camera, BOR waaaay overreacted, taking the tough guy route that's oh-so impressive.
We get it, Bill! You're a tough guy!
This is all about Bill
January 8, 2008 - 12:25 ET by JasonCThis is all about Bill being a badass. And the text at this link is dead-on accurate. "I had no choice but to uphold the constitution..." Give me a break. There is no way anyone can discern the staffers intent here, other than BOR's ironclad word that he was blocking it intentionally. We saw the guy's back "block the shot" for a total of what, 3 seconds. He could have had Bill physically removed from the premises; instead he laughed and moved aside. This is all such BS.
And yes, Bill's use of some girl to ask Hillary a question was the sort of thing he would rip to shreds if done by any other journalist.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
The only BS here is from
January 8, 2008 - 12:40 ET by Jack BauerThe only BS here is from you. So crazed about Fox, it's both sad and funny at the same time.
As for the text about the "constitutuion" --
O'Reilly said that with his tongue firmly in his cheek. Are you that humorless?
Um, what are you
January 8, 2008 - 12:44 ET by JasonCUm, what are you attributing to me Re: The Constitution?
the accusation that I and my likeminded posters just have it out for Fox, or Bush, or whatever we might be critiquing, is a sad last resort. This video speaks for itself. Maybe there was more going on than we could see, but you are taking BOR's word for it that that guy did anything more than stand in between the Fox camera and Obama for more than 2.5 seconds. This is about Bill's uncontrollable belief that he should be granted all privileges in the media world. Sorry Bill, but the first amendment does not guarantee you a clear line of sight to Senator Obama. The fact that BOR kept playing this video last night, and asking every guest what they thought about it just demonstrates that he wants to make a big deal out of nothing and that he is sooo proud of how he comes off in that video.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
And the text at this link
January 8, 2008 - 13:12 ET by Jack BauerSo you didn't watch the O'Reilly segment on his show then?
Because if you had, you will know that O'Reilly was quite clearly being self-deprecating with that comment. I think it was his grin as he said it that gave it away.
Of course, it could be you are so humorless that this sort of verbal nuance flies right over your head. Yeah, that's probably it.
But to be honest what do I really care. I'm not even a fan of O'Reilly, I just don't follow the Media Marxists Matters line on the subject of Bill.
It was tongue-in-cheek, as
January 8, 2008 - 13:16 ET by balboaIt was tongue-in-cheek, as in "Watch how tough I get with this guy. Man, I'm not afraid of anyone, right? Right?"
bal... so you're also
January 8, 2008 - 13:28 ET by Jack Bauerbal... so you're also commenting about something you didn't watch either.
Have you seen Bill O'Reilly's pre-segment comment where he said that he had no choice but to defend the constitution?
Obviously you haven't. You already admitted that to me, so that's a rhetorical question on my part.
So bal... as you always lecture to others...
why don't you actually WATCH it, before you say unequivocally that O'Reilly didn't make that comment in a self-deprecating way, and his tongue firmy ensconced in his cheek.
I did watch it. I'm the one
January 8, 2008 - 13:49 ET by balboaI did watch it. I'm the one that put up the link.
1.) As a former schhol
January 8, 2008 - 12:49 ET by BD1.) As a former schhol trained photojournalist, the seconds that the candidate works the rope line and comes into view for your "Money Shot" tend to be fleeting.
In the good old days, the reporters would have set the offender on his posterior.
2.) In his reporting, O'Reilly stated that he did not ask the girl to ask the question per se, just asked her the question and she followed through.
Much like I would say Jason C, why don't you ask Hillary what she sees as the AQ center of gravity in the GWOT. If you were to ask that, did I put you up to it?
Irrelevant. He used a
January 8, 2008 - 12:51 ET by JasonCIrrelevant. He used a little girl to get called on and instructed her to identify him by name. It's just really toolish. It wasn't exactly a nuanced question anyway.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Prove that he did anything
January 8, 2008 - 12:58 ET by BDProve that he did anything other than what i psecified.
By the way, it was the only useful question Hillary has ever faced other than the normal emotional PAP. (Hillary- do you feel bad about the lack of health care for sick children and puppies?)
You mean what BOR
January 8, 2008 - 14:24 ET by JasonCYou mean what BOR specified? Can't prove it I'm afraid. Oh well. It reeked of bad taste one way or another.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Oh BD now you went and did
January 8, 2008 - 14:52 ET by Airforce_5_OOh BD now you went and did it...You said prove it and his skull caved in. Anybody got some fix-a-flat?
Get over yourself, it can't
January 8, 2008 - 14:58 ET by JasonCGet over yourself, it can't be 'proven' any more than the Obama staffer's intent can be.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
So you cannot assert that
January 8, 2008 - 16:08 ET by BDSo you cannot assert that O'Reilly planted the girl.
I never said nor implied
January 8, 2008 - 16:47 ET by JasonCI never said nor implied that he did. The word "planted" was never used by me. If the girl was a plant, it would imply that BOR was paying her and that the whole thing was planned well in advance. Probably not the case.
Now, if you want to think that BOR was just involved in a casual little chat with some girl at Hillary's speech (I'd keep my children well away from him and his drecky kids' books, personally) and that she, of her own volition, asked Hillary the question that Bill had posed to her, fine. I find that highly dubious, and the way the question played out was cringe-worthy. I'm no Hillary-booster; I have no dog in this fight.
But come on BD, you're a smart guy, don't act like you QED'd me based on my inability to produce proof for an unfalsifiable premise.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Knowing that Hillary does
January 8, 2008 - 17:07 ET by BDKnowing that Hillary does not attend any event in which she will likely receive ACTUAL questions, I would NOT be upset if he DID use the girl, but I see NO evidence of this. Nor do you.
Actually Jason, he didn't
January 8, 2008 - 13:12 ET by BinxlyActually Jason, he didn't plant her, she was actually an HRC fan whom he was interviewing (I assume it got cut from the show) and he asked her if she thought HRC could answer a hardball question such as 'how would you get out of Iraq if you became president?' Basically asking if Hillary could handle a question that dignifies and actual response. The girl, snarkily I might add, decided to be a total jerk and use that question as an effort to draw attention (negative type) to BOR and also try and make him look like a fool. The only fool in *that* case was Hillary.
'I would meet with my staff, the secretary of defense, and I would instruct them to draft me up a plan to begin withdral from Iraq in 60 days.'
I thought the President was responsible for some of these 'plans'? Hell, if I'd have known POTUS was as easy as demanding work from others, then I'd have grown up wanting to be president too.
Typical socialist, left-wing nut, only pointing out problems and expecting the solution to come from someone else. :-!
First, I didn't say he
January 8, 2008 - 14:15 ET by JasonCFirst, I didn't say he planted her. It was exactly what it looked like, Bill getting the girl to raise her hand and ask a question in his name.
Second, I also thought HRC's reply was pretty lame, although it is perfectly reasonable for a POTUS to note that she is not an expert on military strategy, that the president has advisors and, you know, people with military experience to propose the particulars of how to get out of a conflict. It's not like W sat down and drafted the invasion plan himself, right?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
bal -- the guy is over six,
January 8, 2008 - 12:29 ET by Jack Bauerbal -- the guy is over six, eight. You think it was a coincidence that the biggest staffer they had stood in front of the camera. NO WAY.
And Bill politely asked him to move first time.
I think BOR's instant reaction was perfectly acceptable, he had like 10 seconds to get the shot ... unlike the Obaba staffer who appears to deliberately set out to create a "situation."
And like many conservatives, I'm not even a big fan of O'Reilly.
The guy held up his hands
January 8, 2008 - 12:32 ET by JasonCThe guy held up his hands in concession and apologized. BOR did not accept. From this perspective it is almost impossible to tell what's going on. The staffer's job was not to make sure media-God BOR got the perfect shot. BOR's shouted "Get him out of there!" was perhaps the best part. Yeah, Obama's bodyguard's are gonna take orders from you?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
"Hey stop blocking the
January 8, 2008 - 12:33 ET by balboa"Hey stop blocking the shot, pal!"
That was the "polite" request? And you think calling the guy an SOB and shoving him is a perfectly acceptable response?
Overreaction. "Look at me! I'm a bad-ass! Is everyone looking at how tough I am?"
Where I was born and bred,
January 8, 2008 - 12:44 ET by Jack BauerWhere I was born and bred, that's VERY polite. Pal. Sorry, I mean Bal.
(And I'm not kidding.)
So may we assume that you,
January 8, 2008 - 12:47 ET by JasonCSo may we assume that you, much like BOR, are a tough-talking, no-nonsense, streetwise kind of fella?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
You can assume anything you
January 8, 2008 - 12:51 ET by Jack BauerYou can assume anything you like. Apart from my clear comment, I'm not trading in prolier-than-thou tales today, sorry. Pal.
Was it the streets of dirty
January 8, 2008 - 12:53 ET by JasonCWas it the streets of dirty Jersey? The Bronx? Spanish Harlem? Compton? Come onnnn, which 'hood was responsible for hardening you into the uber-badass you've presented yourself as in this thread?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Don't blame Jack for not
January 8, 2008 - 13:57 ET by Roger the ShrubberDon't blame Jack for not acting like a pud in that kind of situation just because YOU would have.
Man, you and Bal need your binkies today. Big time.
C'mon, Rog. BOR acted like
January 8, 2008 - 14:01 ET by balboaC'mon, Rog. BOR acted like the pompous ass he is. That's the point.
How would you exepct BoR to
January 8, 2008 - 14:10 ET by Roger the ShrubberHow would you exepct BoR to act? He IS a pompous ass, after all. You despise the guy (well-documented here, haha), and we all understand that. but, geesh, there is much more importat things to be talking about today, like Graham Chapman's birthday, or, even more importantly, Taylor Hicks recording a new album!
"there is much more
January 8, 2008 - 14:17 ET by Leon"there is much more importat things to be talking about today""
Yeah? Like The View?
Graham Chapman's
January 8, 2008 - 14:19 ET by Jack BauerGraham Chapman's birthday!
YES... Reminds us all to
Always look on the bright side of life..
Even when you're dead, da dum, da dum, da dum da dum da dum da dum da dum...
I think the rest of the
January 8, 2008 - 18:17 ET by Roger the ShrubberI think the rest of the Circus sang that at the funeral, didn't they?
I would expect him to act
January 8, 2008 - 14:19 ET by balboaI would expect him to act exactly the way he did.
As for Graham, I saw him speak in 1987, and he told the BEST stories about hanging out with Keith Moon. It was great stuff. They were insane.
Taylor Hicks? Ugh...when is Ben Folds releasing a new album?
Let me know when he does!
January 8, 2008 - 15:00 ET by Hero SquadLet me know when he does! Just please, don't let it be another William Shatner project.
*****
"There are no stupid questions. Only stupid people who ask questions." - Chris Berman
Amen to that, Hero. That
January 8, 2008 - 17:44 ET by balboaAmen to that, Hero. That Shatner thing was...odd.
Funny shrubster. From
January 8, 2008 - 14:15 ET by Jack BauerFunny shrubster.
From Let's Roll to the metrosexual's Let's Roll Over...
Uh, no, sorry Rog, but a
January 8, 2008 - 14:19 ET by JasonCUh, no, sorry Rog, but a tough-guy poster insinuating how his tough-guy upbringing makes him sympatico with BOR's tough-guy antics is absolutely fair game for a little ribbing. Nor is Jack's internet message board post any indication of what he would actually do in any situation. Nor would it be at all impressive if he did get into a little scrape with someone who was "blocking [his] shot" as it were. Although his screenname does suggest that he would be a one-man terrorist-killing machine...if only he were a fictional character.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
So is your girlie-man
January 8, 2008 - 14:36 ET by Roger the ShrubberSo is your girlie-man attitude towards this situation. This "shoved in a locker every day by the jocks in high school" stigma of victimhood you are presenting here today is comical. You probably let people cut in front of you at the bank because you don't want to "cause a scene".
Your posts only remove any doubt as to what kind of "man" you are.
Rog, I'll bet BOR would
January 8, 2008 - 14:40 ET by LeonRog,
I'll bet BOR would have been real tough if that guy had shoved back.
It's called class. It has nothing to do with your toughness. You can't go around shoving people b/c that's not how society works. There are rules.
Good point. I had forgotten
January 8, 2008 - 15:44 ET by Roger the ShrubberGood point. I had forgotten your excellent track record of displaying "class" on this website. You are nideed the proper person to be pointing that out.
Rog, Feel free to show
January 8, 2008 - 15:53 ET by LeonRog,
Feel free to show where I've been uncouth.
This coming from the guy who got reprimanded for cursing. Haha. That was hilarious yesterday.
How long did you have to face the corner?
Wow. Leon wants to play
January 8, 2008 - 16:06 ET by Roger the ShrubberWow. Leon wants to play the "What? Lil' ole me? I'm not Hater! Honest Injun!" game.
Talk about old news. How many times have you been banned, Heinrich? Five? Six? Must have been because you were being couth.
As for Matthew chastising my vernacular, I took it like a man and changed it. I do not play the victim card, do not bitch. I have used the term countless times in the past, the majority of them when describing you. Odd that Matthew never told me to change my wording in those instances. Interesting...
I don't think anyone's
January 8, 2008 - 14:41 ET by balboaI don't think anyone's claiming "victim" status, just saying BOR was not "politely" asking the guy to move. If he had, the whole thing probably would never have occurred.
First of all, I didn't know
January 8, 2008 - 14:42 ET by JasonCFirst of all, I didn't know people still actually physically went to the bank, except old people cashing in rolls of nickels.
Second, I find it ironic and funny that you're making puffed-up comments about what kind of man I am in response to my pointing out that a bunch of anonymous chat room bluster (to paraphrase: "Boy, that libtard Obama staffer is lucky it wasn't me whose shot he blocked, me and the Sharks woulda messed him up") means precisely nothing other than an apparent need to project a particular macho image. To say "Ooh, JB must be much tougher 'cause he would get into fisticuffs with the guy" based on NB posts is ludicrous.
If pointing out that macho posturing on NewsBusters is a lot of hot air and nothing more suggests something negative about me to you, so be it.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Where's Syrius?
January 8, 2008 - 15:09 ET by RJThe Trolls are hanging out in packs today, and he's missing the fun. :^)
I think he's mad at me personally.
January 8, 2008 - 15:10 ET by OldSailor88You guys and gals can thank me later.
Faciem durum cacantis habes
No, me!
January 8, 2008 - 15:19 ET by RJSyrius is mad at me! :^)
syrus is busy voting. Takes
January 8, 2008 - 15:23 ET by bassndudesyrus is busy voting. Takes all day to vote in all those places.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
RJ, With the verbal
January 8, 2008 - 15:20 ET by LeonRJ,
With the verbal thrashing you've been taking at the hands of the 3 liberals on here, are you sure you really want to add a 4th to the mix?
Frankly, after your delusional (and frankly, frightening) display this morning with JasonC, I'm shocked you're still trolling around.
Good God girlfriend, have you no shame?
Creepy leon, fantasizing again
January 8, 2008 - 15:25 ET by RJ....back in the bathroom stall with his "laptop" and his creepy fantasies about turning men into women.
Beating? From a liberal?
January 8, 2008 - 15:26 ET by bassndudeBeating? From a liberal? Pashaw! you say. That would be saying liberals have a spine. Gotta have a spine to give someone a beating. Or...are you saying it takes 3 liberals to have a spine?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
You really are a saddo. Such
January 8, 2008 - 14:52 ET by Jack BauerYou really are a saddo. Such a silly little man.
Yes, my failure to hit
January 8, 2008 - 14:55 ET by JasonCYes, my failure to hit people or allude to a hardcore upbringing has really taken a toll on my self-esteem.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
I never alluded to
January 8, 2008 - 14:59 ET by Jack BauerI never alluded to anything. You did.
I simply said that the working-class town where I was born and raised, that was a polite suggestion.
What is wrong with you? I seriously suggest you get some help.
You seem to be going through some hormonal changes here.
Well yeah, I am kind of
January 8, 2008 - 15:02 ET by JasonCWell yeah, I am kind of conflating your comments with Roger's here, actually. Sorry 'bout that.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Jack, where I come from,
January 8, 2008 - 15:21 ET by bassndudeJack, where I come from, that is extremely polite. If we have to ask twice, it is normal to poke a .45 in their side and ask them if they are ready to comply yet.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
So that makes it OK to do
January 8, 2008 - 15:25 ET by balboaSo that makes it OK to do it in a political arena with other news "professionals." Got it. So all those people who claim that being brought up in Watts is why they rob liquor stores, that's OK now? Good to know.
Bal, the big diffrence is,
January 8, 2008 - 15:30 ET by bassndudeBal, the big diffrence is, we are not breaking the law. Robbing liquor stores is a violation of the law. We greet law breakers in much the same way, except we shoot first, then ask if they will comply. Mostly they are willing to comply in exchange for medical treatment, at that point.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
bass -- Ha Ha. fnnny dude.
January 8, 2008 - 15:31 ET by Jack Bauerbass -- Ha Ha. fnnny dude. He said "pal," and that's almost a Jane Austen standard of etiquette is places I've either lived or visited. New York City to name one.
Good job he didn't resort to his Irish background: " Move ya f+++++g self ya eejit for I kick ya arse from here ta Dublin Bay."
Maybe he should have retorted "I say old boy, be a good chap....would you mind terribly if you could just stand aside a teensy-weensy. Ta very much."
Lol Jack. At 6-8, I would
January 8, 2008 - 15:34 ET by bassndudeLol Jack. At 6-8, I would have asked him real nice while pushing the 45 into his gut. "You wanna move now, buddy?"
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
You guys are
January 8, 2008 - 15:55 ET by balboaYou guys are hysterical...
And it's funny because, like I said, if David Gregory did the same thing, you'd be falling over yourselves to condemn him.
No I wouldn't, as a matter
January 8, 2008 - 20:50 ET by Jack BauerNo I wouldn't, as a matter of fact.
Yeah, but Jack...
January 8, 2008 - 14:57 ET by Clear thinkerDid he scare the heck out of you?
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
LOL clear -- if I wasn't
January 8, 2008 - 15:04 ET by Jack BauerLOL clear -- if I wasn't such a tough guy (proof: I think Bill O'Reilly was polite) I'd be worried he may track me down and slap me around.
Serioulsy, is there something odd about this guy? He seems to be projecting something on me. Weird.
That's "VERY polite"?
January 8, 2008 - 12:57 ET by balboaThat's "VERY polite"? For...where?
And that's not even the point. The point is he overreacted and went into tough guy mode.
NYC, Atlantic City, hell,
January 8, 2008 - 15:03 ET by dabalNYC, Atlantic City, hell, even parts of San Francisco.
You been to an urban area lately? ;-)
People are rude these days, in case you hadn't noticed. It doesn't mean you should stoop to that level, but failing to stand up for yourself in the slightest paints you as a target for any jerk in any given room.
Just a penny of sense from me, I didn't see this clip.
WTH is with the obsession of Talk show hosts by Leftwingers?
January 8, 2008 - 16:15 ET by Six String SpiffJC and Blaboa... I am confident you have a mental issue. IF you don't like something, don't watch it! Right? I mean that's what our beautiful country is all about. Unlike people who continue to piss and moan about radio hosts, and not the REAL ISSUES.
"I HATE THAT GUY!... But i can't help watching him!" It sounds all very disturbing if you ask me. Guess how many times I read NW? Or Time? Or watch the alphabet nets? ZERO I don't have to (anymore) I no longer put myself through agony. You should try it. there is a Buddhist saying. It goes like this: "If it hurts when when I do this *bangs head with fist* then stop."
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
I don't watch BOR. I
January 8, 2008 - 16:23 ET by balboaI don't watch BOR. I watched this clip to see what the fuss was about, the "scuffle," because I wanted to see for myself what happened.
First of all, if you don't
January 8, 2008 - 16:41 ET by JasonCFirst of all, if you don't watch or read those forms of media, you don't have much basis from which to criticize them, except from the conservative-filtration effect of sites like this. I'm not going to get into a big, hyper-qualified discussion about when I do or do not watch BOR (my wife will not tolerate any pundit-based programs, so it's not frequent, I'll leave it at that) but I am very familiar with BOR's way of doing things, he's a huge influence over a fairly wide cross-section of Americans, and I have an interest in media criticism. Those all seem like good reasons to enter into this discussion, no? It's not like Bal and myself sit in front of the TV every night from 8-9 wringing our hands muttering "Hate..so..much...but can't...look...away.."
Finally, and so obvious as to be idiotic, it's what seems to be the hot topic on the open thread, I saw the video, so I'm discussing it. Simple as that.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Line in the sand...
January 8, 2008 - 12:38 ET by Clear thinkerI'm betting this isn't over yet. I will not predict where this will lead, but we will see a very clear contrast in ideologies played out over this event. Here's the short simple version...
Conservatives are willing to move someone out of the way with force if it's called for.
Liberals will whine and cry "he touched him, oh no", just like they whine and complain about most everything.
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Clear
January 8, 2008 - 12:47 ET by Cool ArrowI think we're already seeing that behavior in this thread.
I ♣ My Seal
clear -- terrific. You hit
January 8, 2008 - 12:48 ET by Jack Bauerclear -- terrific. You hit on the perfect analogy, espcially from conservatives whose parents started out in blue-collar, working-class environment. Like wot mine did, pal.
Oooo, he touched me. Where's my lawyer.