For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Despite all the media carping and whining concerning the "housing crisis," foreclosures fell again last month for the second time in the last three months.
Is this a sign that housing is bottoming, or is the worst yet to come next year?
Comments Policy
Fire near VP Cheneys office!
December 19, 2007 - 11:46 ET by smitty031How long before the nutroots start salivating and crying conspiracy theories?
5 minutes?
Darth was obviously burning
December 19, 2007 - 12:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberDarth was obviously burning CIA documents, as well as documents implicating Chimpy McHitler in the murdering of millions* of innocent Iraqis.
(* = according to valid, impeachable sources)
**Crickets Chirping**
December 19, 2007 - 11:46 ET by OldSailor88Haven't heard much today about Slick Willy talking out of his rectum about George the Elder attending the "Repair the U.S." tour. Hmmmmmmmm..........
Funnt how wording has changed!!
December 19, 2007 - 11:54 ET by PawpawNNow Slick only says he suggested, etc., about 41 going with him, not like the orig story yesterday. Guess it depends on the meaning of "GOLLY"!!! y'all done mistoke what I was talking about!!
I saw the backstroke
December 19, 2007 - 11:59 ET by OldSailor88What Willy meant was, "When I said George H.W. Bush is going on a tour for me, that depended on what your definition of is is."
Story and spin!!
December 19, 2007 - 12:17 ET by PawpawNhttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/18/elder-bush-nixes-clinton-trip-idea/ Story & Spin. Get it best from CNN!!
Yeah, that was hilarious.
December 19, 2007 - 12:17 ET by motherbeltYeah, that was hilarious. Oh, you thought I said Hillary would send me and him? What made you think that? Oh, the fact that I SAID that? HAHAHA...
His second blunder was in using the phrase America was "open for business." The LORAL etc./Chinese Campaign Contributions Champion might not want to indicate that his wife's administration would be similar.
Time Names Putin
December 19, 2007 - 12:02 ET by Airforce_5_OTime names Putin the person of the year. I bet Hugo is mad.
He and Imadamnutjob were
December 19, 2007 - 13:29 ET by Right2thePointHe and Imadamnutjob were gonna play rock paper scissors for it.
Mortgage CRISIS !!!!
December 19, 2007 - 12:11 ET by billbGive me a break! This so-called crisis would have been much smaller if the local real estate taxes hadn't brought many of the honest buyers to their knees. We've all gone through it when we bought our first home and panicked about how we would pay for it. We worked harder, cut back on spending, but we did it. These people never stood a chance. They were led to a financial slaughter as the local tax collectors gleefully extracted their hard earned money based on OVER INFLATED home prices. My taxes here in NJ went up 27% in 5 years. Their mortgages were probably only going to reset up 3-5%. Once again, taxes do the damage.
BINGO
December 19, 2007 - 12:41 ET by CapitalismRulesYes, it's finally good to hear someone say it. You will NEVER hear that on the news, ever. There is absolutely NO mention anyplace in this "crisis" about how government totally shafted the buyers with taxes and property tax increases. No, it was the big "lenders" who preyed on people's dreams and then dashed them when they raised the rates!!!! Bullcrap!!! Most of these folks knew what they were getting into and the local municipalities were more than willing to get their "cut." Here in Florida, in many cases, your property was taxed not even on its value, but what it "could be used for." So if you had a piece of land that a hotel wanted to build on, you were charged taxes for the property as if it were a friggin' hotel. Sick, sick sick. How in the world did the government get away with this stuff? And where in the world was the media outrage? All directed at Big Business.....typical.
Where I live in Florida an
December 19, 2007 - 13:03 ET by Right2thePointWhere I live in Florida an even bigger impact was the tripiling on home insurance rates which were required to be carried by the mortgage documents requirements.
It really bites twice when you realize after the massive rate increases we have had two years of back to back non events here from hurricanes.
From a fellow Floridian,
December 19, 2007 - 14:18 ET by dscottFrom a fellow Floridian, you can thank the AGW crowd for that one, their ravings on hurricane frequency and intensity was factored into the risk rating program used by the insurance companies. As we can now see, the risk assigned was bogus, but that didn't stop the idiots at the insurance commission from approving their rate hikes. I believe even Charlie Crist complained about the risk program. The insurance companies played coy by blaming the company which owned the proprietary risk program.
btw- you need to shop for another insurance company if you are using Citizens, check with an independent agent who represents multiple companies. Or: http://www.floir.com/ using this link: http://www.shopandcomparerates.com/HOCompareRates.htm pick your county and they will point you in the right direction of which company is writing a policy and their rates on a typical house. In the Tampa bay area, a company called Homewise is writing policies on houses that are over 20 years old using rates back from 2003. My insurance rate dropped by over 40%.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
Wish I could, but I have a
December 19, 2007 - 15:00 ET by Right2thePointWish I could, but I have a house that is over a hundred years old and I had to jump through all sorts of hoops to get the one I have.
Not easy to get someone to insure houses that old.
Woe, is it one of those
December 19, 2007 - 15:08 ET by dscottWoe, is it one of those Victorian type houses? Well I hope you don't live at the southern tip, where rates are really, really high. Check Monroe County rates. It might almost be worth bulldozing the house and rebuilding to the new code.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
Civil War mansion type place
December 19, 2007 - 16:37 ET by Right2thePointCivil War mansion type place about 40 miles from UofF
Thanks for the Tip, dscott
December 19, 2007 - 18:37 ET by BlondeLiving in Broward County, I was forced into the Citizens pool a few years back...my windstorm tripled last year. Flood & Homeowners more than doubled. It is a cruel market, to be sure.
What do you think of the legislature's new property tax scheme? I've had my house for a while, so I'm sticking to the "old" way, but I really feel for people who bought a home in this crazy market we've had. My neighbor pays almost 4 times the property taxes I do....for approximately the same house. It's insane. And the county government is whining that there are budget shortfalls....like little piggies to the trough, they spent every extra dollar that came in during the market upswings of 35 - 45% a year. D'oh.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Personally, I think the
December 19, 2007 - 21:26 ET by dscottPersonally, I think the super exemption plan stinks as it doesn't solve the real problem, that being a needed cap on the county budget by limiting it to say the CPI or some percentage like 2 or 3%. The entire purpose of the exemption is to protect seniors or long term home owners against property value/tax appreciation. What the exemption perversely does is to hike the taxes on everyone else from new comers to businesses, both groups being vital to the economy and housing sales.
Hillsborough county did the same thing, the greedy little oinkers engorged their budgets and hired people, sorry, but that is irresponsible governance. No one here bought the crocodile tears of the Mayor and County leaders over the budget cuts and layoffs of temp workers. Just because you have the ability to collect taxes and force property owners to pay it doesn't mean you should. These jerks thought they could without consequence. Now we have to pay the price. What needs to happen at this point is to reset all the property taxes for each house, of course those who pay too little must be brought up over a period of time say 10 years as those who pay too much should have theirs reduced over the same period to prevent chaos.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
Let's add to this: a story
December 19, 2007 - 13:06 ET by dscottLet's add to this: a story on housing yesterday by the AP. http://news.yahoo.co...
Now, from my point of view, housing permits down to 1993 levels, and home building down to 1991 levels is a good thing. The market is correcting the surplus housing inventory by not building as many houses. Wasn't it also the fault of builders who chose to hire illegals to cut corners to build as many houses as possible for speculation? The house flippers, snapped them up driving up the prices. The municipalities were more than happy to see property values rise and thus were complicite in giving out building permits which allowed overbuilding. Then we come to mortgage defaults, the reason why we are seeing higher than normal (previous years) defaults is because these people in addition to the house flippers can't sell the property to avoid the default because of excess housing inventory. Had it not been for the overbuilding resulting in an excess housing inventory, people wouldn't have had to default, they simply would have sold the house and rented or bought a smaller house. Now with people defaulting and no one to buy up those homes held by the banks, the housing inventory at best can not drop, thus keeping the situation bad.
In other words, there was a lot of stupidity driven by greed by everyone involved: the builders, the house flippers (speculators), the municipalities and then finally the renters who should not have been home owners. And this was all enabled by those who set the lax lending standards IMO, FreddyMac and FannieMae, to encourage home ownership under the mistaken idea of false equality that everyone should be a homeowner. Not everyone is cut out to be a homeowner, walk your neighborhood and pick out the ususal few houses that aren't maintained. I had one neighbor who actually said they should be entitled to have cars set on blocks in their front yard if they want to without hassle from the County! Darn right I called code enforcement! No more cars, no more broken down fence... that's my rant for today.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
I am seeing projections
December 19, 2007 - 13:22 ET by Right2thePointI am seeing projections that a lot of the excess inventory will be adsorbed by the coming retirements of baby boomers when they sell their homes in high tax high cost areas even at reduced retail prices from the peak still gaining massive appreciation from their original purchase price many years ago.
The projections show that they will likely be moving to the areas where the highest surplus housing exists and could easily put the ratios back in balance.
A typical example is a Long Island 450k house originally bought for 45k many years ago and moving to Florida and buying a much better house for 200k and investing the balance.
I certainly hope that comes
December 19, 2007 - 13:36 ET by dscottI certainly hope that comes to pass. Let's see, now that Karl is no longer here.... turning the temperature, snow and rain adjustments on the weather machine like so for the Northeast...
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
All my cars are obscured by
December 19, 2007 - 13:34 ET by Dan The Man 2All my cars are obscured by the weeds. Its my property and I can do with it what I want. I work on my cars from time to time and with a 1 car garage that is filled to the brim they are in my driveway. If I want to park a car in my drive for 2 years it is my right to do so. If it becomes a health hazard then cite me else get out of my damn life. until I need you.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
You must be a rich boy
December 19, 2007 - 14:27 ET by ricklailYou must be a rich boy from Jawja. You have 2 cars jacked up in your yard. I don't live in Jawja but I have one in the back yard. The county has an ordinace that states if the car does not have a valid tag then it has to be out of sight from the main road. Don't say you can't have it, it just needs to be out of sight.
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
And now here in northern Virginia....
December 19, 2007 - 13:41 ET by Prester John....the local jurisdictions, who 3 years ago were agonzing over the lack of "affordable" housing, are screaming bloody murder because the drop in housing values is resulting in budget deficits. And you know what that means.
BOHICA.
You can’t have it both
December 19, 2007 - 12:22 ET by ricklailYou can’t have it both ways or can you? I keep hearing Dingy Harry talk about how the Republicans are holding up legislation. That is with Dems in the majority. I seem to recall that Clinton was saying the Republicans were holding up legislation with them in the majority.
Clinton blamed the Republican Congress for sending him appropriation bills that he would not sign thereby shutting down the government. Now the Dems are saying that it is Bush’s veto that is holding up the appropriation bills. In other words in the 90’s it was the Republican’s fault. In the 20’s it’s the Republican’s fault. Will the Dumbass Dems every take any responsibility for their failures in this Congress? Will the MSM bring up Clinton for shutting down the government?
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.” General George S. Patton.
Will the Dumbass Dems every
December 19, 2007 - 12:52 ET by motherbeltWill the Dumbass Dems every take any responsibility for their failures
in this Congress? Will the MSM bring up Clinton for shutting down the
government?
Heck, no. you have to remember, rick, the Republican Congress sent Clinton a bill they knew he wouldn't sign, so it was their fault for sending it. This time the Democrats sent Bush a bill they knew he wouldn't sign, so it's his fault for not signing it.
That's Liberal Logic 101
Also: For saying that the Democrats, in the majority, can't get anything done because of Republicans, Harry ("This war is lost") Reid, D(-featist)NV should be laughed out of the Senate.
I have been watching a lot
December 19, 2007 - 13:14 ET by Right2thePointI have been watching a lot of CSPAN this week due to the bills being considered and the Dem plan is right out front from the statements of their people during the various debates on bills. The message is being hammered by them over and over and it is consistent.
Their game plan:
Put forward legislation they know will fail
Falsely blame "obstrutionist" Republicans
Falsely blame "veto happy" President
The end game is to cry to their base they need to have veto proof majorities in both houses plus the White House to pass the legislation the most wacky of the base wish to see.
Mark my words that even if the achieve those numbers, they will abandon the wacky legislation once they have their power consolidated and go back to normal legislative stuff instead of the over the top pandering. They will have to do that to maintain their position because far out efforts will ruin their blue dog reelection chances in states where they had to run moderate to slightly conservative. That is simply recognizing reality.
To make their plan work, they are showing a pure lack of respect for their base of voters treating them like dummies and sheep that they can lead around. Heck of a way to run a government or a party.
So far this morning I have
December 19, 2007 - 13:56 ET by Right2thePointSo far this morning I have heard 12 or 15 dem speakers spitting back the same talking points. Their objectives are becoming clearer by the minute.
They are willing to be a do nothing congress this year to try to ensure their power down the line.
Funny when the Republicans were in charge they did the countries business and compromised where necessary to get the best bill possible and move the country's business forward.
Simple snake oil on their part.
Was Harry Reid a college professor?
December 19, 2007 - 14:03 ET by PawpawNListening to Harry Reid is like listening to a boring, monotone college professor trying to teach his own thoughts on something. C-SPAN should be mandatory watching for everyone. Once people really saw what these so-called representatives of the people say & do, we'd probably have the best elections and people running since the founding fathers! And every one of their talking points are them spewed by the MSM each night in the so-called evening news!
Leon's Dream Boat!
December 19, 2007 - 12:28 ET by RJThe Soylent Green of boating?
RJ
December 19, 2007 - 12:36 ET by MrShySpeaking of, where HAS Leon been?
Now I'm starting to wonder if Pervessor and Leon were indeed one and the same.... one guy playing both bad, dumb cop AND badder, dumber cop.
We bid a fond farewell to Professor Talking Points & Cheetos
Leon has been around
December 19, 2007 - 12:43 ET by SouthJersey1953I read some garbage from Leon within the past couple of days. Don't remember where or the subject because I try to cleanse myself after reading his spew......
It's not Right vs. Left; it is Right vs. Wrong
Shyman...lets not disturb the Prof of Truth
December 19, 2007 - 16:15 ET by JayTeeLet sleeping Idiots lie.
I have an old friend who's a Professor, He's got BA's, MA's, and Teaches History....and has NO INPUT buffer. It's all one way nonsense, his way or the High way.
What is it about Academia that creates these Liberals ? Or is it that Liberals seek these jobs out ? The World is full of Conservatives who USED to Teach or be in the Professorial ranks....like Newt G. and Others......I guess a conservative is a Professor that Graduated, and is no longer in College....teaching or otherwise.
Global warming is real.
December 19, 2007 - 12:28 ET by ckc1227Global warming is real. Seriously.
Global humidity is real.
December 19, 2007 - 12:45 ET by jonathanandersonBut it is POINTLESS, DELETERIOUS, and INSANELY STUPID to spend one dime on trying to control it.
PS : Tell the Russians, Canadiens, Alaskans, Norwegians, and Finns there's global warming ... in fact, why don't you do all your "reporting" about "global" warming in the -70 degree snowstorms that occur annually in all 5 of those areas ... maybe then you could see the absolute ABSURDITY of (and downright NECESSITY for) "global" warming.
The EU was screaming for
December 19, 2007 - 13:26 ET by Right2thePointThe EU was screaming for action in Bali and then went home and the action they immediately took was to waiver requirements for some member states in the EU.
Do as we say not as we do.
Anyone ever think about the Tilt of the Earth ?
December 19, 2007 - 16:21 ET by JayTeeA very slight few degrees tilt of the Planet Earth, ever so slightly from the Sun's rays....and you've got WINTER.
Conclusion: The Sun is the Biggest influence on Temperature. turn away from the Sun for a few months, and you ain't Growing any more Food for awhile, It's too Cold.
And this Lesson in Sunology is taught 4 times per year..Going and Coming... but NOT in the Bali tropics......only in the Southern and Northern hemispheres.
Bali, meeting place of Equator Idiots.
Bumper sticker
December 19, 2007 - 17:29 ET by UnsaneBumper sticker seen from time to time in Anchorage:
"ALASKANS FOR GLOBAL WARMING"
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
4 Pop-Ups in 20 seconds!
December 19, 2007 - 12:29 ET by NBF4 pop-up windows from this site inside of 20 seconds? GRRR. This site is getting as bad as NewsMax which I used to read but have long since removed from my bookmarks due to the pop-up madness. (BIG FAT HINT)
NBF
December 19, 2007 - 12:36 ET by Clear thinkerTurn on your pop-up blocker!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
"4 pop-up windows from this
December 19, 2007 - 12:36 ET by ckc1227"4 pop-up windows from this site inside of 20 seconds? GRRR. This site
is getting as bad as NewsMax which I used to read but have long since
removed from my bookmarks due to the pop-up madness. (BIG FAT HINT)"
Treat yourself to a Christmas present: Get a pop-up blocker. Been here over a year and have never seen a pop-up.
Pop up goes the weasel
December 19, 2007 - 12:37 ET by Jack BauerHaven't you got a pop-blocker switched on!
I don't own this computer!
December 19, 2007 - 12:43 ET by NBFIf I could, I would, but I can't. I'm sure the case is the same for many people who stop by on their breaks. We don't have admin access.
Pop-uus?
December 19, 2007 - 14:21 ET by bassndudeIve been here for quite sometime, have never seen a popup other than when I come on initially. Havent seen one in a long while, and dont have a pop up blocker. I think your pop-ups are comming from a cookie or some little trojan somewhere.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
"Is this a sign that housing
December 19, 2007 - 12:42 ET by Chris Norman"Is this a sign that housing is bottoming...?"
Possible McClatchy News Service Headline: "Home Mortgage Situation Improves - Debt Collectors Suffer"
As usual, AP doesn't let us
December 19, 2007 - 12:57 ET by Roger the ShrubberAs usual, AP doesn't let us down with their level-headed headline-writing.
Perfect!
December 19, 2007 - 13:24 ET by dervishAnd when the rate falls further in December, they can report it as "the worst since 2000" or some such. Always a cloud inside a silver lining.
With the way the funding for
December 19, 2007 - 13:41 ET by Right2thePointWith the way the funding for the border fence have been hamstrung in the omnibus funding bill it shows that many were right when they stated that the fence provisions of the comprehensive immigration bill were destined to become a bait and switch that now has been shown for exactly what it was.
white house vs msm
December 19, 2007 - 13:43 ET by shawn228Does the White House know more about the CIA tapes destroyed or is the New York Times making this story up?. I will wait to see more details to make any judgements for myself
It was really amazing that
December 19, 2007 - 13:45 ET by Right2thePointIt was really amazing that the energy bill that got through restricted going forward with oil shale and coal conversion and also tried to hamstring nuclear power.
At least all those were reversed in the omnibus funding bill.
You turned 35 today, but you
December 19, 2007 - 13:56 ET by Roger the ShrubberYou turned 35 today, but you are still über-hot!
roger
December 19, 2007 - 15:01 ET by shawn228I can't open up your link but I am assuming you are talking about Alyssa Milano.
As a person who went through high school in the eightys I practically watched her grow up on Who's the boss.
I always prefferred Nicole Eggert, but at the age of 35, the test of time was much more favorable to Alyssa.
Right now they are
December 19, 2007 - 14:08 ET by Right2thePointRight now they are considering a bill with new penalties for fraud in disaster relief funds.
Nice they are finally getting it right, but with the size of the Katrina package, it should have been part of the original disaster funding.
A case of shutting the barn door long after the horse is gone.
JUDGE KENNEDY to hear about CIA Video Destruction
December 19, 2007 - 14:12 ET by PawpawNHere's info on Judge Henry H. Kennedy: Judge Henry H. Kennedy, Jr.
Judge Kennedy was appointed to the U.S. District Court in September 1997. He graduated from Princeton University in 1970 and received a J.D. from Harvard Law School in 1973. Following graduation, he worked for a short time for the law firm of Reavis, Pogue, Neal and Rose, then served as an Assistant United States Attorney for the District of Columbia from 1973 to 1976. From 1976 to 1979 he served as a United States Magistrate for the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. In December 1979, he was appointed Associate Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, where he served until his appointment to the federal bench.
He is the judge to hear the CIA Video tape destruction info.
paw -- how could you not
December 19, 2007 - 14:32 ET by Jack Bauerpaw -- how could you not trust anyone called Kennedy?
Didn't a Kennedy invent WATERBOARDING!
December 19, 2007 - 15:56 ET by PawpawNWas it not a Kennedy who invented waterboarding? Nope, that was water and bored!
Some Info on plaintiff's lawyer, David Remes.
December 19, 2007 - 14:18 ET by PawpawNHere's some info on plaintiffs' lawyer, David Remes:
Under God ProCon.org
HOME | CLOSE
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Name:
David H. Remes
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Title:
Partner, Covington & Burling
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Under God Position:
Con to the question Should the words "under God" be in the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance?
4.
Reasoning:
"The problem is that young school children are quite likely to view the pledge as affirming the existence of God and national subordination to God. The reference to God is one of the few things in the pledge that children understand."
AP News
August 10, 2005
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Credibility Ranking:
Experts
JD's (lawyers), other U.S. Presidents and judges, Members of Congress, members of state legislative bodies with significant involvement in, or related to, the "under God" conflict and/or government and constitutional law, and those with PhD's in government, constitutional law or other relevant fields.
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Phone: (202) 662-5212Fax: None Listed
E-Mail: dremes@cov.com
Web Site:www.cov.com
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Via my RSS reader it seems
December 19, 2007 - 15:36 ET by Right2thePointVia my RSS reader it seems that all the usual suspects on the left side blogs have gotten their talking points about the obstructionist Republicans and the Veto happy President.
All posted within minutes of each other.
It's karma I tell you!
Matthews
December 19, 2007 - 18:19 ET by bigtimerOh man...
Matthews is wearing that hard to look at pumpkin-patch sweater again today while he is interviewing The Maverick McCain...
Guess he didn't get the memo he dresses funny...lol.
Hilarious comment about Hillary
December 19, 2007 - 18:22 ET by Clear thinkerAt one of his campaign stops today, Fred Thompson was asked what he would do to balance the federal budget. His first answer was " I will limit Hillary to 1 bill per year ".
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Ct.... ROFL! BAM...Right
December 19, 2007 - 18:24 ET by bigtimerCt....
ROFL! BAM...Right in the kisser there!
He's good and we've got more to come yet....I heard some of his interviews yesterday too.
bt...
December 19, 2007 - 18:27 ET by Clear thinkerHow can anyone NOT love this guy?
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
CT... It's beyond
December 19, 2007 - 18:30 ET by bigtimerCT...
It's beyond me...lol
I saw Fred's interview with
December 19, 2007 - 18:46 ET by JerI saw Fred's interview with H&C last night and was impressed . It seems he is hitting his stride after appearing oddly disinterested the first month or so.
His spoke with confidence, provided well-reasoned responses, and displayed an engaging sense of humor.
More of that and he may finally gain some real traction.
Jer
Hey Jer... Would you vote
December 19, 2007 - 18:49 ET by bigtimerHey Jer...
Would you vote for Fred so far? Or who are you leaning towards?
Just curious here...nothing more.
BT...I had originally hoped
December 19, 2007 - 19:12 ET by JerBT...I had originally hoped that a centrist Democrat such as Bob Kerrey or Evan Bayh would make a run, and barring some major surprise, I would have very likely voted for either.
I don't think there is any possibility of my voting for Hillary if she is the nominee, and frankly I'm underwhelmed with the rest of the Dem field.
So, yes, I would strongly consider Thompson--a fellow Tennessean [my basketball coach was from his home town]--and even though he is certainly more conservative than me, I believe he is a well-grounded, solid individual who could make a fine President if he is truly wants the job. For a while, I wasn't sure that was the case. But, as I said earlier, I liked what I saw on H&C.
Jer
Jer... Thanks for the
December 19, 2007 - 19:17 ET by bigtimerJer...
Thanks for the answer...
I don't know if you were here when I have posted about Evan Bayh being the one I was the most fearful of long ago now...he is a good politician that is for sure, you rarely hear from him on the Senate floor, but I thought for sure he was going to run this time.
Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't next though....or possible be named for VP later by one of the dem's.
Kiss Of Death?
December 19, 2007 - 22:44 ET by stratmanRon Paul To Keep White Supremacist's Money
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071219/ap_po/ron_paul_white_supremacist
Cue Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
stratman...
December 19, 2007 - 22:57 ET by Clear thinkerRon Paul can't let down his constituency now can he?
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Let's see now...Colorado
December 19, 2007 - 20:59 ET by bigtimerLet's see now...Colorado has now joined Ohio in decertifying a heck of a lot of their voting machines....
Surprised anyone? Two states that are just about purple now... you can bet we are going to get the threats from the dems and their trial lawyers already in line for the usual we will contest and file a law-suit if the dem loses...
If the repub's do not be prepared and fight back on this I am going to be furious...they didn't in Montana or Virginia when I myself think they should of at least had the recount...but they bent to the will of the leadership big-wigs in the republican party.
I just heard on Fox that
December 19, 2007 - 22:38 ET by bigtimerI just heard on Fox that Tancredo is pulling out....
God Bless him and all the work he has done on getting illegal immigration to the forefront....he is nothing but a great conservative IMHO.
bt...
December 19, 2007 - 22:41 ET by Clear thinkerAnd the rumor is that he's going to back Fred!
Tom is one of the good guys, that's for sure!
Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/
Halp us Jon Cary...we are Stuk in Irak (Part II)
December 20, 2007 - 00:37 ET by BlondeThose wonderful and very clever troops are at it again...here's their prediction of what the armed forces will look like if the dems get it...it's hillarious.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde
December 20, 2007 - 00:56 ET by MrShySurprised to see you here! ;)
That's hilarious, yes.... those pics are really funny!!
If we don't talk/chat, Merry X-mas, Happy Holidays, Happy 2008, and just happy happy HAPPY !!!!
We bid a fond farewell to Professor Talking Points & Cheetos
Hey Shy
December 20, 2007 - 01:03 ET by BlondeSeems I am stuck in St. Louis. First time I've flown Southwest in eons....the most reliable airline flying.....riiiiigght.
The plane is only three hours late, charming, huh?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
wow blonde
December 20, 2007 - 01:12 ET by MrShyAre you at some internet cafe/station? or wifi on your own laptop??
We bid a fond farewell to Professor Talking Points & Cheetos
B it's kismet
December 20, 2007 - 01:18 ET by botgi'm at Motel 6 in Slymar getting ready to go to work (we have a graveyard shift job)
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
botg
December 20, 2007 - 01:22 ET by MrShySlymar? Where's that??
Sounds/looks dangerously close to "Shywear" :p
We bid a fond farewell to Professor Talking Points & Cheetos
Slymar
December 20, 2007 - 01:24 ET by botgin San Fernando valley north of LA
"how would i know? if i knew everything i'd run for God" ----crpl Klinger
I just heard on Fox
December 20, 2007 - 01:41 ET by bigtimerI just heard on Fox newsbreak that Tancredo may announce tomorrow he is going to run for the Colorado Senate open seat....
Gives me hope...lots and lots of hope!
If he runs on illegal immigration he will win....now I understand why Colorado declared decertification on the voting machines today....
Fear...pure fear...therefore cheating from the leftist at the voting booths if able...again.
We had better be prepared to fight back!