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For general discussion and debate about any subject you'd like including, but not limited to, today's football schedule.

For instance, I think Florida bounces back from last week's debacle to top #1 LSU, unranked Tennessee upsets #12 Georgia, Texas upsets overranked Oklahoma, and Nebraska upsets overranked Missouri.

Of course, the biggest shocker could be Illinois over Wisconsin.

P.S. If you want to discuss other subjects -- like proof yesterday that all this recession talk is NONSENSE, or anything political -- please do, and don't let all these football kooks intimidate you!

*****Update: Bye bye Badgers!!!

*****Update II: Bye bye Bulldogs!!!

*****Update III: Tata Trojans, if Florida beats LSU, the Bears are #1!!!

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Cleveland Indians

GO TRIBE!!!!!!

How About Those Red Sox?

And the Bronx Bombers are on life support...

Del, the Angels played with fire once too many times

...by repeatedly walking Ortiz, and Manny burned them with his walk-off homer.  

This is what I was talking about earlier...are you paying attention Noel?  :^).....when I said that the Manny-Ortiz combo is greater than it's parts.  With Manny out, they didn't have to worry about not pitching to Ortiz.  Now they do.

 

Awsome game last night, just

Awsome game last night, just had that feeling. I was in Boston earlier this year Sox down by 1 and the same thing was set up. The place was rockin, Ortiz hit a single and then Manny popped up to shallow left to end the game. The air came out of the place so fast, felt like being hit in the chest.

whatever happened to?  

Well, it's unrealistic to expect it every time, gc

...but when you walk Ortiz four times in one game, odds are Manny is gonna burn you.

.

But if you pitch to Ortiz, he's gonna do it. Like Scoscia said after the game, you have to pick your poison. After watching Manny's other at-bats, I think it was the right choice. What else was he gonna do, load the bases and pitch to Lowell?

Bucky Dent

Even today Red Sox fans a praying the Yanks don't come back

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You mean the Yankees who scraped in under the wild card?

botg: the Yankees who are down 2 and 0?  Yup, we're shaking in our boots....

general company:  exactly....pick your poison.  But, personally, I'd rather take my chances with getting an out from Big Papi rather than Manny.   That's because Manny has NO fear of ANY pitcher.  In tight situations, that gives him the edge....and is why he bats cleanup, rather than Ortiz.

Even so RJ

Sox fans will breathe a sigh of relief if the Yanks are out.

surely you are not intimating that Papi fears some pitchers?

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Sigh of relief? Only because I'm bored with the Yankees

and their chest-thumping.

As for Ortiz, I'd say he's above average in confidence, (he is, after all, considered the best DH in baseball today) but my point was that Manny is unique.  I'm sure you've heard of some Red Sox fan saying "that's just Manny being Manny", which means he lives in his own world.  To him, pitchers are not much different than a mechanical ball-thrower....ok, that's an exaggeration, but you get the point....

RJ

i lived my first 21 years in RI listening to Pesky pumping the Jimmie Fund (Ah: Tony C, Yaz, Lonborg, the Hawk, Rico, etal) some things never change.  It is not a good baseball year until the Yanks are out!

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ah, botg, that explains it

You're still living back in the days of "curse of the Babe."   Time to join the current world, botg.   :^)

it's bambino RJ

'curse of the bambino' which is over

still some things don't change

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well, thanks, botg.

...see how little I think of it and the Yankees? But it's always nice to have a Yankee fan tell a Red Sox fan what his state of mind might be.....a little like the liberals who come on here to tell conservatives what "real" conservatives should believe... :^)

tell ya what RJ

next year wear a Yankee hat to Fenway in the middle of the season when the average fans are there

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um, botg

What does that have to do with my post, or with the thread up to this point?
Specifically, you said "It is not a good baseball year until the Yanks are out!" and I responded to that.... :^)

RJ

you are discounting that the Yanks hold a special place in the hearts of Sox fans, which has been my contention.  This little test would belie the truth of said contention.

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"...belie the truth of said

"...belie the truth of said contention." I think you meant to say the test would prove your contention, yes?

Of course there's a strong sense of competition from both Red Sox AND Yankee fans...are you saying there's not?

But my post responded to this bit of silly chest-thumping Yankee-lore: "It is not a good baseball year until the Yanks are out!

prove or disprove

yes, it other words the theory is falseafiable. (prove me wrong - here's how) Who's chest pumping?

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ok, botg

...it's not worth pursuing, bud. Enjoy what's left of the Yankee season... :^)

I am betting the Yankee's

I am betting the Yankee's are a bit more nerves down 0-2

Then the Sox up 2-0

NL series also 2-0 ? Anyone coming back?

no doubt

this is also true

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Cubbies In Trouble

Colorado looks like a lock in their series against the Phils.

I'm a little leery about the Sunday Red Sox game in Anaheim, as Schilling will be starting. Jered Weaver is starting for thr Angels, and he's due to get a win against the BoSox.

The Yankees will pitch Roger Clemens Sunday night. Could this be his latest swan song?

Don't sell Shilling out, Del

The man gets up for big games.

Ah, but

The football lovers [I won't call them "kooks"] take up so much of the thread it's hard to find anything else. So, I'll see the Open Thread gang Monday.

Maybe I'm just sulking 'cause MY favorite team, the undefeated University of Montana Grizzlies, doesn't get the coverage that big schools do. ;o)

Chai

Ciao Chai

see you Monday then.

I am tempted to call NY Mike and tell him to stick to selling motorcycles after his assertion that Dobson should not comment on politics.  (Only to point out the false argument, they both should be commenting, but c'mon Mike you can come up with better reasoning than that) 

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May the bird of Paradise.........

May the Bird of Paradise build a Nest in the keyboards of the Fantasy Football players, and they are unable to change their picks in the Football Pools.

  

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

Is that Noel,

trying to reach #1 on Blonde's favorites list?  UF is in for the game of the year, almost a must win after last week.  Same for Texas  and OU.  }:-

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Yea. But he'll get on my

Yea. But he'll get on my deep do-do list. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

He's just got his fingers

He's just got his fingers crossed. As do you. And I. He's thinking of that other team in California

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

danbo

surprisingly the Texas-OU (14-7 UT) is on in San Diego right now and later the UF-LSU.  And no stinkin' USC

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Friday nite....Fox was shredding MSM

Anyone (without a real life) watch/see O'reilly's MSM is a sinking ship commentary on Fox  ? 

He pretty much predicted the demise of the Lying, Mis-quoting, Bias'ed MSM and all they stand for.....

The Final Vote on whether the MSM survives, will be cast by the Advertisers...or lack there of.

After all, It's Capitalism at work, on the Networks, and Corporate America gives to charities that are poplular charities....the MSM is on the fence.....and the fence has razor wire.  

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

I saw it, we can only hope

I saw it, we can only hope he is even half right.

Islam-Christianity

i have a football question

does anyone know if larry musen the voice of the georgia bulldogs is still broadcasting, hell is the old guy still alive. he was a great character at wsb radio in atlanta when i was a young traffic reporter there and i was just wondering if he's still kicking around. 

lunaticcringeradio

lunatic, about Larry Munson.

Happy to tell you that 'ol Larry is still plugging along. He is only broadcasting home games now and plans to retire after this season.


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-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

Rah, rah.....

The Ohio State Buckeyes are the epitome of football.

Hebrews 11:8
Jeremiah 33:3

As long as they..

.. stay away from the Florida Gators!

Thank you ROCK

Separation Day. Ohhh...and for Rick....Kentucky?????

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Go Buckeyes!   I wish

Go Buckeyes!

 

I wish it were a bit cooler here so I could wear my OSU hoodie.

 

Mother nature is a bitch - Ninth Corollary of Murphy's Law

considering the source

are these polls accurate? lets hope so

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Why I don't need the MSM...evermore

Why I don’t need the wonderful world of the MSM anymore…… 

If I want to Know about Blackwater over in Iraq, I can go on the Web and get information from someone who has been in Iraq, worked with Blackwater, someone who can speak with authority on the subject.. I don’t need no stinkin  Talking Head who just pulled the Story from the wire services, followed by 15 minutes of research, so they can Rush to “Explain”.   I can get information from someone who has “Lived” the experience, observed the Reality, and will Represent the Facts without Bias. 

And if you care about the subject matter in depth, you can join Blogs and have similar (Un-reported) information delivered to your E-mail address Daily. 

Sometimes you have an interest in a Subject / Hobby / Skill that is shared by only 18 people in your entire state, and 1 Iranian in New Hampshire……and the MSM never covers the subject.  

But someday, that Obscure knowledge of  the Cambodia border at Christmas time, or the Typewriter Fonts of the 1960’s will get the MSM attention and result in 70 million dollar lawsuits against the MSM (if U know what I mean). 

All the talking Heads of the MSM cannot compete, EVER, with the WWW and it’s Journalists of the moment, it’s expertise of the day, and it’s un-deniable TRUTH on any subject you would care to LIE about. 

TALKING HEARDS OF THE WORLD, dissolve !! …we don’t need you anymore …If we want a good looking Blonde telling us about President Bush, we’ll sign on to the RNC website.If we want to hear what Rush Limbaugh really said, we’ll sign on to Rush’s website, or  have it Podcast daily.

If we want LIES, Sex, and Video Tape, we’ll turn on the TV and watch MSM.

But with the WWW, the TRUTH is EASY to find, and will be halfway around the World before Harry Reid can get to the Senate executive washroom, and Find Craig,        

 

 

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

News Media

How many news media sites do not require one to link to following pages? If you have any interest in the smear simply read the first few paragraphs and leave. I stopped reading the NYT long ago and selectively choose conservatives off the WP.

JDW

Sen Clinton: Founder of Media Matters

 

LSU 35 Fla17

For instance, I think Florida bounces back from last week's debacle to top #1 LSU,

 

Better try and get your money back, cause it aint happening. LSU lost to them last year, they have far more motivation. Also ND wins today, well hope so.

g.c.

as i noted earlier, this may be the biggest game of the year for UF.  To say LSU has more motivation is differcult to defend.  UF can not afford to lose two straight

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LSU vs UF

Well, I'd have more confidence in that prediction had lowly Tulane not embarrassed them in the first half of their game. And UF is a tad better than Tulane I suspect.

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Yeah, but

I suspect LSU's a tad better than Ole Miss, too. Should be a great game, though, especially since I don't care if they both lose. I'll be busy crying over the Big Orange, who will be fortunate if they only lose by two touchdowns -- and might go winless in the SEC this year, for the first time in my memory. Yoiks.

Tenn has been a shocker,

Tenn has been a shocker, what happend?

Beats me, but

it looks like they've spent all their recruiting dollars trying to find another Peyton, and forgot to pick up any defense along the way.

Yea I think Fla is very good, but

Fla had to pull out all the stops last week. LSU played it very straight, no blitzes no play action, lots of back ups playing.They (LSU) did have way to many penalties though.

Needless to say. Blonde

Needless to say. Blonde hopes you're right about Florida. And I hope you're wrong

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Happy Saturday Dan

Well, you & I know I said it first....before the season even started.

I picked LSU to go all the way.  As much as it hurts me to say so....my Gators don't have enough this year...too young, and we need a little more ammo than the one-trick pony of Tebow-Harvin.

Having said that though...if we can get through GA, SC, & KY in the East...a rematch of today in December should be very interesting.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Hard to dominate in the SEC

a rematch of today in December should be very interesting.

This is the game that worries me the most, Fla will only get better. Next season should be a blast also. with the best coaches and players, the SEC rocks

gc

You are correct...the SEC rocks.

There are always five-six teams that have the potential to go all the way in the SEC.  5 of the last 15 have gone to SEC teams...with 4 different teams taking the title. 

I'd still like to see a playoff of some sort, rather than the BCS....but I just haven't been able to see the right way to do that yet.

BTW....do you think Phil will get fired this year?  Is there a site like FireRonZook.com?  Oh how the Gators despised poor Ron Zook.  And I'd bet you Vols are having an attack about now.

<edit>  Sorry GC...the last should have been directed to dervish....I'm reading impaired today.

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I was gonna answer anyway :)

Found this link. That site doesn't look too rabid, but it's still early in the season.

Fulmer's always struck me as the Jeff Van Gundy of the SEC -- with enough talent, the coaching doesn't matter much. I'm guessing he's starting to regret throwing Randy Sanders under the bus a couple of years ago, but that doesn't explain what happened to the defense this year.

He's presided over his share of academic scandal, and I wouldn't be
surprised if there's a police substation in the football dorm; becoming
the SEC doormat doesn't leave him much to stand on. If they go 0-for-everything in the SEC this year, or even if they manage to get by Vandy, I can't see how they'd keep him. There's way too much money involved to keep a loser.

dervish

Well...that site wasn't too "rabid"...but you have to go back there & click the merchandise link.  A "FireCoachFulmer" classic thong for $8.99.  LMAO! 

He's toast. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Oops.

Didn't see that. You're right: when it's printed on underwear, game's over. :)

Wow, that is funny.

Wow, that is funny.

This would do

I'd still like to see a playoff of some sort,

 

Eight teams

1st week

1) 1&8 Fiesta

2) 2&7 Capital One

3) 3&6 Cotton

4) 4&5 Peach

   2nd week

5) 1&2 Game Orange

6) 3&4 Game Sugar

   3rd week

7)  5&6 Champ Game Rose

Play all other bowls as they would normaly do.

G. C.

they would have to rotate the bowls can't have the championship in Pasadena every year.  Also the #1 and #2 seeds have to be in separate brackets.  I'd say it's better to start with the top 4.

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I like the rotate idea,

I like the rotate idea, giving each bowl a chance to host the champ. game every 8 years. Semi-finals could be 1-versus-4 and 2-versus-3. I wish college football would do something like this!

probably no money in it (ok

probably no money in it (ok /sarc off/)

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ESPN & BCS destroyed College Football

Everything was fine until they started having a Coache's Poll and this stupid BCS crap. Why? MONEY! The traditions has been killed.

Indoctrinate-U 

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Rotating and Bracket adjustments, sure

I am good with anything that gets the 8 best involved in a playoff. I would also like to see these teams sit idle for less then a month, 3weeks tops. Last years Ohio St was rediculious.

What is it with you..

.. people and play-offs? What do these un-paid players owe you?   

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Nothing. We're just looking

Nothing. We're just looking for a more equitable way to finding a national champion, that's all.

Most every other sport has a playoff, why not Div 1-A football?

It's all about $$$

So, all previous NC's won't count? BCS (destroyed the bowl traditions), championed by many, has been a fiasco. And no matter how you slice it, play-offs will undoubtably screw somebody. So, nothing is gained except fatter wallets for TV, NCAA and to some degree the schools. Can't wait for a 10 month football season. 

It was fine the way it was. But then again, I valued the old traditions of College Football. 

Indoctrinate-U 

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Of course all pervious NC's count?

The Bowl games (and the tie in's) have been altered one way or the other since their conception, nothing sacred there. I am not suggesting creating a longer season, let them all play 10, then let the playoffs start. The cash is going to be made one way or another, dont think they are not milking it for all it is worth as it is.

Are you kidding me?

Of course they're milking it! The regular season games have been spread out as much as possible. And the no BCS games are on at the same time. That way the networks can all cash in.

I remember a time when New Years Day meant something. But then again, it's a lot more fun to win the Pepsi Frito-Lay Trojan Condom Bowl on Jan. 8 or whatever.

Indoctrinate-U 

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I dont understand the question I guess

What do these un-paid players owe you?   

Nothing, how about we let them decide? You realy think they are satistfied with the current system?  

Play-offs

People that I run across that are so fanatical about injecting a play-off system into 1A football give me the impression that they are either owed something as fans or they will simply hang themselves if they feel their team was cheated out of something.

Since players come and go, I don't think it's up to them. Nor is it up to the fans. They have been playing college football for what? Over a 100 years? And without a play-off system? How's that possible?

I enjoyed the old days of college football when a bowl game was really something to see. When you had a OU offense running the wish-bone against the Miami Hurricanes smaller, but quick, defensive linemen. Now it seems that all of the offenses look the same.

The old traditions are gone and money dictates the show. Just my opinion.

Indoctrinate-U 

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I think the traditions are the schools themselves.

The old traditions are gone and money dictates the show.

Well their it is, see I have always thought it was about the money. Way to much maybe, but what you gonna do?

I'm just saying

The NCAA is corrupt and the schools have sold their souls for the almighty dollar. It's a shame. I hate seeing college football morph into Pro Football lite.

Whatcha gonna do? Too late, the genie is out of the bottle. 

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Wail, dawgies...

I don't know who those guys were in the orange shirts in Knoxville today, but they bloodied your nose pretty good. Now all us Big Orange can sing together:

"We're number three! We're number three!"

Seriously, they looked like a different team today. We'll know by Halloween which one is the real one.

Well, dervish

Looks like Phil will get to see the sun rise again tomorrow.  At least this week. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

MO v NE

Playing at Columbia, the MO offense is rated 5th nationally. I do not know where NE is rated except they give up more than 400 yards per game. A very strong offense going against a weak defense, at home. That's the way I prefer it.

JDW

Sen Clinton: Founder of Media Matters

 

Both Texas and Oklahoma may

Both Texas and Oklahoma may be over-rated, but I would like to point out one thing: Texas lost at home, by 20 points to Kansas State. Oklahoma lost by 3 points on the road at high altitude to Colorado. Oklahoma may well lose today. With this game no one can really predict it. It has had so many upsets over the years it isn't funny. Both teams seem to play above themselves for this game, so anything can happen. In the old Big 8, at least for Oklahoma, this game and the annual Nebraska game were the games for OU. Oklahoma could have a 10 and 1 season, and everything would be okay, except if the one loss was to Texas or Nebraska. If that were the case, all the armchair quarterbacks and armchair coaches would scream for the head coach's head. (That almost sounds redundant, doesn't it?)

"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan

Ties to OU

I feel that I have somewhat of a tie to OU. Kevin Wilson and myself are from the same home town, Maiden, NC. He was in the second grade when I graduated. I knew his dad. I never saw him play in HS. He is a first cousin to my brother in law. Best thing is he was a TARHEEL.

Southern by birth, Tarheel by the grace of God!

How many?

National Championships for UNC?

Footbal, that is. 

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None

No national championships in football but a bunch in basketball.

By the way SC has never had a national champsionship in any sport.

Southern by birth, Tarheel by the grace of God!

My useless predictions for today: Dawgs will beat Tennessee.

Jackets lose to Maryland (Already down by 7)

Florida loses to LSU (Sorry Blonde)

 


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-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

That's okay Dave

I think that's the third or fourth "sorry Blonde" I've read here....we have a consensus!  The debate is over.  The Gators lose before they play, and Hillary is our next president, elections be damned.

Having said that...I'm hoping Tennessee wins.  I could hardly care less, actually, but it's all about the SEC East for me.   

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde,

Actually, next season I think Florida will be where the Tigers are this year.

Georgia is a toss up. They should improve, but by how much is anyone's guess.


When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.
-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

I give up

I am getting sick of hearing Rocky Top played. I am changing the channel to FSU-NCSU. I can't get anything right.

Best part is that my Heels finally played 4 quarters of ball and won. ( We were one of the best 3 quarter teams in the country. Problem was the games were 4 quarters long.) Watch out SC. You will be playing the original CAROLINA next week.

Southern by birth, Tarheel by the grace of God!

I'm late today

I laid down at 11 and took a nap. When I awoke, my Heels are having their way with Miami.

On Thursday, I said that KY would beat SC. Well it didn't happen.

I'll stick with my pick of the Dawgs over Tenn. Looks like they will end the career of Phil "Fat Phil" Fulmer. Look to hear Glory, Glory, Ole Georgia played more than Rocky Top.

I have rethough this LSU-FL game. I had a platoon leader in "70 who had played at Ole Miss. He said that the toughest place to play was in Baton Rouge on a Saturday night. I really think that FL has a chance. 

 I am not going to make anymore predictions. I ain't good at it anyway. Well one more. The guys from VA Tech get back to playing Beemer ball and beat Clem's son.

Looks like the race at Talladage is going to be a wreck fest. Villanenue (?) is starting near the front. He really has no business being in the race.  This is the first time I have ever agreed with Jeff Gordon.  Toyotas are looking strong. Don't matter I hate restrictor plate racing.

 

 

Southern by birth, Tarheel by the grace of God!

Rick

Congrats on your blue victory today.  Anyone who beats the Canes is great in my book.

Did you see dervish's link to the FirePhilFulmer site (above).  Pretty funny. I'm hoping TN wins over Georgia, but just for the SEC East rankings.  I'd love to see Fat Phil retired.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

And the Gators..

.. are 0 - 3 against the 'Canes in the last three tries. 

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I know Rock

Which is one of the reasons I am so annoyed with the Canes.

I still wish they were on the schedule, though, instead of the two patsies we always open the season with.

I have to put up with alot of them (Canes) on a day to day basis.  Not nice. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Guys, Like I said- useless predictions. Gators might just win.

GT lost and so did Georgia (and bad, too.)

Who knows, the Gators might just take the Tigers?


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-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.

A story that deserves to be

A story that deserves to be shared.

Last night our Granddaughter took the wife and I to dinner. This was her gift to us for our wedding anniversary. She chose one of those Steak & all-u-can-eat Buffet style restaurants. She did this for two reasons. It's all she could afford and she loves the dessert bar (she's only 14).

What happened at the restaurant will never be forgotten by the 3 of us... There have been quite a few times that I have picked up the tab for a table of soldiers in uniform whenever I run into them at restaurants. This is my way of thanking them for their service. While I was eating, my wife casually asked if I would pay for a soldiers dinner if he came into the restaurant and I said sure. Both my Wife and Granddaughter laughed at me when I said that.

The two of them were seated in a way that they could see the parking lot and the front door so I had no idea what was so funny. A moment later I found out why. I turned around to see a steady stream of soldiers coming through the door and across the parking lot, so now I got the joke. My first thought was "holy cow how am I going to pay for all of them" and then decided I would keep my word and whip out my charge card. There were exactly 66 of them, I know this because I asked. Suddenly the place was swarming with soldiers and we found ourselves sitting next to a table of 4. It was obvious that these were kids barely out of high school so I asked the guys next to us where they were from. They had all just finished basic training at Fort Campbell Kentucky and were on their way to Fort Jackson in S.C. We shared as much conversation as possible because these guys were on a schedule and they had to eat rather fast. My Granddaughter has never been shy and aske