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Possible talking point: regardless of the politics involved, how do you really feel things are going in Iraq?

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Better there than here

If fighting over there keeps them from fighting over here, it's going good enough for me.

I am not for diversity. I am for what works.

Agreed!

Agreed!

All things considered, Iraq

All things considered, Iraq is going well, at this point. It is very difficult for political wrinkles to be ironed out while war is ongoing. Political solutions will come in time, one way or the other.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Iraq is an astounding

Iraq is an astounding success.

Hussein is gone. The people are free. The terrorists are dying off. And we Democrats wear the eternally humiliating stain of complete idiocy, forever branded by history as terrorist-lovers, etc...its all good... 

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Although I sailed with 7th

Although I sailed with 7th fleet in support of OIF, I cannot say for certain how things are progressing there.

However, I can say with conviction, that abandoning it now or before it has been won, would have devastating consequences on the US.  

Were mistakes made? Absloutely! Could it have been run better? You bet! If we leave even incrementally, before they can protect themselves, the terrorists will bide their time, until they can fill the void with a new base of terrorism.

Bottom line is, we can fight them now while we're still over there, or (God forbid) over here. If we leave before victory, then we will absolutely have to go back, no if, ands, or buts!

 

Yes! Have some.

20/20

With the advantage of 20/20 hindsight . . . . if only the US had instituted the "surge" two years ago, if only the Administration would have had a realistic plan for post war Iraq, if only we had heard something from the lips of the President other than "stay the course" . . . . we would be a lot better off today. 

These people that run the Pentagon, State and the White House are supposedly a lot smarter than us poor schmucks in the hinterlands, but even poor schmucks could see things deteriorated pretty quickly after the initial military triumph.

Things are definitely better today.  But why the hell did it take so long?  Perhaps we should try planning ahead next time. . . . and there will be a next time, no matter who sits in the White House.     

I think the reason it took

I think the reason it took so long was the Democrats.  In the past, when troops were deployed, the political parties came together and supported them.  Whether you agreed with the mission or not, the troops always came first.  This was the first time that I saw a political party just go completely overboard in their efforts to gain political power without any regard for the troops or the country.

For example, when the victims of BDS came out ranting "Blood for Oil", the Democrats jumped right on that bandwagon and amplified the message that we were only in Iraq to take their oil.  Bush should have said "go take a flying leap" but instead he went out of his way to make Iraqi oil untouchable.  What did the Democrats do?  They started attacking Bush for not taking the Iraqi oil to use in offsetting the costs of the war! 

They also attacked Bush for sending too many troops, so he kept troop levels to an absolute minimum.  Then the Democrats attacked him for having too few troops, so then he does the surge.  Then the Democrats attack him for sending more troops and "crippling" the Army.

They also attacked Bush for not getting basic service like phones, water, electricity, etc., restored fast enough.  Then when contractors are awarded no-bid proposals (which shave about a year off the procurement process), they attack him for giving no-bid contracts.

In short, it made no difference what Bush did... the Democrats were going to attack him.  They wanted him to have no success or victories at all, and they completely missed the point that this wasn't all about Bush and that it was the U.S. and our military that they were damaging.  What I do fault Bush for is not seeing what the Democrats were up to and just ignoring them and just let the military fight the war.  Had we done that we would have peace in Iraq and a massive U.S. military force sitting at the Iranian border.

BDS, exposing traitors

In short, it made no difference what Bush did... the Democrats were going to attack him. 

 

Exactly, this was their only concern, to diminish him and the Presidency.

Bush should had called out every single one of them and followed up with investigations on many of them. They already accuse him of being heavy handed, he might as well had been. A lot of what they do is absolutly inexcusable.

General-you said "In short,

General-you said "In short, it made no difference what Bush did... the Democrats were going to attack him."   I agree wholeheartedly.  The question then becomes, why didn't the President take some initiatives, both in theater and domestically?  Why didn't he take off the gloves in both Baghdad and Washington?  No one, including he or the country, is the better because of the choices he made/or didn't make. 

...and that would have led

...and that would have led to other major problems instead, and now we'd be asking why he wasn't more patient and careful - so you just can't win in his situation - and that's not what the jobs about anyway... 

Protest Craig's conservative abandonment - vote Democrat in 08'

TM... Vote Dem in

TM...

Vote Dem in '08....

Are you just kidding?

Surely you jest... 

he doesn't jest, BT

He believes that since Dems protect their own better than Repubs, their system of "Honor Among Thieves" is preferable for the U.S..

There you go with the

There you go with the "thieves" thing again dammit RJ>:(

I'm talking about our government reps, not thieves, thank-you very much:)...

The Dems at least understand the concept of defending their own, I'm afraid - and if your own doesn't defend you then who the hell will?!?!?!

Of course the Dems do end up protecting blatant criminals most of the time, yes - and so I pledge to work within my new party to erdicate the rampant evil and corruption - essential "Republicanize" it in terms of basic morality...

Meanwhile maybe you Repub die-hards can elect some reps that can team together appropriately when the extremely odd scandal occasion arises...that way I can rejoin the fold...

Until then this is TM going deep liberal cover - God bless, over and out...  

Protest Craig's conservative abandonment - vote Democrat in 08'

BT, TM's mad as hell

BT,

TM's mad as hell (since, I think, yesterday) about the Craig fiasco. We hope he's kidding... 

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Thanks for the info

Thanks for the info fella's...

...but to vote dem is really going off the deep end IMO.

As an aside....Craig has been nothing but a disappointment to me for years...

...especially the illegal immigration votes...

I am not gonna' miss him one little bit.

BT,I commented yesterday

BT,

I commented yesterday that being a Republican means feeling disappointed and let down - at least, lately. 

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Chris... I too have felt

Chris...

I too have felt the same...

I also have stuck up for Craig when it comes to entrapment and the hypocrisy in the msm ect when this story first broke... he should not of pled guilty...he is not dumb.

What I do not like is Spectoid and Craig and his cutesy I intend BS...

Just move on and get out of the way...I want a real conservative in now if possible that is not beholden to the agriculture pay-offs...regarding illegal immigration.

Just how I feel is all...

TM is mad as hell, and he ain't kiddin around:)

I just can't support these impotent Repubs anymore until they start fighting back when duty calls - they have to earn my vote back by echoing my fundamental justice values, not betraying them:

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

Craig denies he's gay, I believe him, the Repubs don't...

And Craig did the right thing by taking responsibility for disturbing the peace and pleading guilty. This is incredibly fantastic integrity. He should be highly rewarded for this kind of character, not run out of town...absolutely dispicable...

Protest Craig's conservative abandonment - vote Democrat in 08'

I agree with your stance -

I agree with your stance - just not the remedy... 

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

...then history will be my

...then history will be my judge:)! 

Protest Craig's conservative abandonment - vote Democrat in 08'

TM...I agree about the

TM...

I agree about the repub's getting a back-bone and fighting back...

I have posted that numerous times over the almost two years here...

I have also posted quite a lot about Craig...

before and after this BS...

I have no pity for him...he should not of pled guilty if he isn't.

I have had experience with fighting the law if you are NOT guilty...and I am no high falutin' Senator with money or coonections... who will sell us out when it comes to illegal immigration...

We know Craig well here in this part of the country...

(I did not know about any of the gay BS...nor do I care about it, with the exception he should of been honest if he swings both ways)

I just wished he would resign and run again if he wants...the people will speak in Idaho in '08 

Thanks for your efforts

Thanks for your efforts BT:)! You're an absolute pillar of the good fight...

Protest Craig's conservative abandonment - vote Democrat in 08'

TM... That wasn't

TM...

That wasn't sarcastic now was it?

ROFL!

By the way, whether we agree of disagree about this issue...for heavens sakes...

Don't go ballistic and vote dem...

Are you even curious why the msm are seeming to defend Craig?

Immigration vote eh?

May know the next person to take his place may be more conservative?

Just a few thoughts....

I don't know too much about

I don't know too much about Craig, but he sounds like he is yet another senator who ran as a "conservative", but once he was in, became a member of the "Senatorial Party" (where any conservative ideology is hidden away until the next election). So many Republican senators have ended up there and we know who they are. They are disappointments - all.  

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

What I believe is happening in Iraq

Despite my original thought of "Just bomb the shiite out of them!"  I have come to reason that that is a very extreme POV to hold, and dangerous.  After hearing that the Iraqis are FINALLY starting to defned themselves and not just rolling over for the next dictator or war lord, I find it hard to hold that position any longer.  I don't agree with nation building, but I see this as a strategic move and not a feel good notion.  General Petraeus will give his report, and I am confident it will be an honest one.  I have hope for the new generation of Iraqis to take their country back and end the sensless stone age violence.  I hope.

The American Revolution Continued

How did we end WW2? Coupla

How did we end WW2? Coupla well-placed nukes did it...

This war could have been done 4 years ago that way...and saved quite a few billion $ 

Protest Craig's conservative abandonment - vote Democrat in 08'

Considering we have only

Considering we have only been there 4 years I would say things are going pretty well. 

How have these things gone in the past?

How were things going with the Marshall plan after 4 years? I mean, I'm really asking, because I don't know.

Of course maybe we should give up and leave Iraq to determine its own destiny. You know, like what happened with Germany after World War 1. Because that worked out so well.

Post WWII 'insurgencies'

Dave, I'm no expert, but I recall seeing newsreel footage of a
speech at the San Francisco Peace Conference on September 8th, 1951
which mentioned the ongoing difficulties controlling unrest in Germany
(six years after VE Day). And remember, Japan didn't have a 'plan' for
almost NINE years from the start of hostilities!

...either we get our heads together about this war, or our enemies will surely separate them for us...

In addition to your

In addition to your comment, we are still in Germany (the U.K., and Italy), maybe not in the same capacity as we were under the Marshall Plan, but we are still there nonetheless.

"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps

Well said

That's an excellent point. I think about this any time I hear about the war "dragging on".

I wonder just how long some people were expecting this to take! 1 year? 2? 3? And what in the world is their basis for this expectation?

For a while there I was very worried that our fast-food society just didn't have the stamina to duke it out with an Islamist enemy that sees itself as 1000 years into a 10,000 year war. Now I'm starting to feel better about our chances.

Reality Check

Based on discussions with a

Based on discussions with a nephew who has been there (a Grunt) and checking out various blogs and news services (that I trust), I would say things are going very well in Iraq, all things considered.  I am a little disappointed that we haven't killed more bad guys then we have (no matter how many we have toasted), but the season is still young and I pray daily for happy hunting for our guys.

From reading Michael Yon,

From reading Michael Yon, it sounds like we are making great progress in many areas.

"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps

And now, today's Shrub

And now, today's Shrub Report®:

Huh?

Where's the two-hour retrospective and live coverage?  

Yesterday this shrubber told you of the Danes thwarting a terror plot, and now the Germans have, too. I wonder if  phone conversations were listened to in nucovering these plots?

The scramble to profit from the Great Global Warming Scam continues…  

You just know John Edwards has a hard-on over the possibility over an entirely new industry to sue and profit from…

I guess when you are running for president, returning dirty money is a must, but not if you are a Kennedy…  

I wonder what Nepal's Airplane Mechanics Union had to say about this

   

Roger--re: goats/planes

Our government is not working well. Can we sacrifice a couple of Senators and a handful of Representatives? I think it may work, esp. if we replace them with honest people.

Human Sacrifice

I think historical and  anecdotal evidence requires human sacrifices to be virgin. As badly as those Senators and Representatives are screwing the country in general, I doubt they would be acceptable sacrifices.

I really think that questioning others' masculinity is a game probably better left to people who haven't had more cock in and out of them than a Tyson Chicken regional distribution center. AceOfSpades 06162007

Rats and Mice!

I was just about to nominate the 2 Senators that represent North California for the sacrifice, then you said they had to be virgins! Now what are we going to do? There aren't any virgins left, are there?

 

Those who would expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigue of supporting it - Thomas Paine

I'm gonn add the 2 senators ffom NJ

and they can join your CA senators simply because they are virgins to clear thinking!

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

 "It's the kind of thing

 "It's the kind of thing that would make me wince if, for instance, George Bush said it," Hodge said.

Well, yeah, of course, naturally...

 

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Once again, another

Once again, another politician trying to use God for ammunition. What a complete slob.

how do you really feel

how do you really feel things are going in Iraq?

Personally, I think things are going rather well and have been for some time.  I am often surprised by people who post items that assume that things have been going poorly, and have been for some time. 

It is my opinion that things have been going well there all along and have been keeping pace with necessary phases in the war. 

The key item for defeating an insurgency is and always has been patience.  At each phase in the war we have completed necessary steps to proceed to the next:

1.) Invasion, Defeat of the Saddam Government.

2.) Provisional Coalition authotrity getting a framework for a government running,

3.) Showing the insurgents that victory in open battle is IMPOSSIBLE. (Fallujah, Najaf, Samara et al)

4.) Post provisional coalition getting an intelligence system running,

 5.)  Development of local anti-insurgent efforts to defeat the "School of fish" tactics followed by the bad guys.

6.)  Solidifying the government (Next up by the way).

how do you really feel

how do you really feel things are going in Iraq?

 

A hell of a lot better than the LMSM is crafting and spinning ...

People forget, the rest of the world isn't as "instant mashed potatoes" like we are.  Things take much longer in other countries that haven't even gotten out of the 15th Century yet.  Not to mention the chains of fear and doubt that need to be sawed through.  Of all the things our brave and selfless troops have asked of us back home (& of Congress too!) it's patience, faith, and loyalty and support ... They are eager and excited about doing their job(s) and completing the mission of victory.

Many, many, many in this country have failed them miserably. Some even lying about carrying out that mission  (I support the troops ... Bring them home.)

Better...

I am increasingly positive and hopeful.

Success would mean so much to the U.S. the troops, the region, and the world. Dealing a blow to religious extremists, terrorists, and liberal traitors is my devout wish.

 

A Race for Sanity

Since I’m no expert, take everything I say with a grain of salt (hell, even I do that). However, that having been said … It sounds like Iraq is a race for sanity. By that, I mean that any rational person would say to the Iraqis, look, you guys are sitting on a fortune in oil. Unless you’re all fools, you’ll all be rich. But the Iraqis, especially the Shiites, insist on re-fighting old feuds. They’re doing the one thing that will prevent them from success. They’re being egged on by al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, and other outsiders who are exploiting the Iraqi civil unrest for their own benefit. Those outside groups are fanning the flames, and the Shiites are still falling for it. The Sunnis seem to “get it,” but they’re not stupid. If the USA pulls out, it’ll be every man for himself, so they’ll cooperate only as long as the USA sticks around.

The value of the surge is to stop the fighting … just long enough … to appeal to the basic rationality of otherwise intelligent human beings. If you just stop fighting, you guys will all be rich and powerful. The only thing stopping you is hate; and that hate is being encouraged by self-interested “neighbors” who don’t give a crap about you.

We, at least, are honest about our intentions. All those outside groups will lose if Iraq is prosperous.

  • You think Iran wants a rich, successful, and peaceful country next door? Iran wants Iraq to be a wasteland, and the Iraqis who listen to them are destroying their own people.

  • On the other hand, we'd love you to be successful. It's not just trading oil with Iraq. We benefit if we can trust that no terrorist attacks will come from Iraq.  

  • To the Iraqis: look at the current situation. Look at who benefits, and look at who loses – if you become rich and powerful. You’re not rich and powerful now. Who is stopping you from it? It isn’t the US. We’re not asking you to obey the Great Satan. All we’re asking you is to look at your own interests. We want you to succeed.  That’s sane. That’s rational.

  • It’s a race for sanity, though. We only have so many resources. Our military is under severe strain. We can’t wait forever for sanity to break out.  It’s a race. I don’t know who will win.

Right on

The Sunni's truely want the oil money. There is a lot of jealousy towards the Kuwaiti's. The Iraqi's see the Kuwaiti's driving BMW's and Mercedes' and want the same. Their problem is that they don't want to work for it. They expect everyone else to do the work so they can reap the benefits. The Iraqi Police I trained would talk big about all of their patrols, ut if you sat back and watched, they sped through town for fear of IED's (justified fear) and came back to the secured station. They intimidate the neighborhood they work in and only focus on petty crimes. I saw more than a few pcitizens arrested for being gay. Many still condone killing women for marital infractions. The spectrum their runs from religious extremist to those that do not practice Islam at all. That alone divides towns and causes fighting. Saddam did not truely practice Islam and did not favor Islamic law. Now that he is gone, some neighborhoods have gone to a Taliban like rule. Women being stoned for not wearing burkas in the streets are not uncommon. Most of the Iraqi's I worked with told me that they need one strong leader to tell them how to live because they can not live peacefully without a strong hand of enforcement.

The Dirty Dozen Hate Rule

I keep thinking of the scene from The Dirty Dozen where Ralph Meeker tells Lee Marvin that all of the prisoners hate him. The answer: "These guys think the United States Army is their enemy. But the Krauts haven't done anything to them yet."

How it's really going

After two years there I have seen it go from bad to worse. My old unit is there for a third time, in Baghdad, again, and it is still worse yet. Though one region may show progress, the fighters tend to go elsewhere and continue to fight so other areas get worse. One of the "safest" camps in Baghdad will recieve a mortar or missle attack nearly every day. IED's have become more advanced and we can not keep up with them. The political situation is a waste since the three groups will never get along. Historically there never was an "Iraq". That is a state that the Brit's formed after WWI that ended with a revolt driving them out. Do we win the fights we are in? Yes, always but the overall situation is continually getting worse. I worked briefly in two prisons there and 99% of all detainees were Iraqi's. I keep hearing the politicians and the news talk of all of the foreign fighters there but I never saw that. I saw Iraqi's who wanted control of their neighborhoods and knew only one way to get it. I pray for my old troops every day because they see the futility in what we are doing. We have trained the Iraqi Police only to see them sell the weapons and ammo we gave them. We watched them sell secrets to the insurgents. They even sell each other out. More than one senior police officer has been arrested for corruption only to be replaced by someone from the same tribe. Corruption is their culture. And loyalty is only to their tribes.

99% of the detainees were

99% of the detainees were Iraqi...

Oh.

So, when even Katie Freakin' Couric tells America that Iraqis are coming together because of the threat that Al-Qaeda presents, we're supposed to believe your tired old Lefty talking point? Is that you, Hater?

I mean, come on, you are behind the times here. The latest talking point is "the military is making alot of progress, but those damn Iraq politicians aren't!" Check your email more often, ok?

 

Thanks for service...

Thanks for your service.  When were you there?  Where were you at?  What unit?  What 2 prisons?  When was the last time you were there?  Have you ever reported for a paper, mag, blog, etc?

Nice questions -

I'd like to add - why do the Iraqi's want us to stay? Are you reporting from first hand, day to day face to face with the people of Iraq? And finally, can there EVER be any progress?

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

Answers

The Iraqi's want us there to do the fighting. With all of the Iraqi units that have been trained, they are only effective in areas of little to no fighting and in areas where they (military and civilian) are all from the same tribe. I worked with the Iraqi Police at 5 different stations where I would visit at least three a day. There were two that were deemed my primary focus since they had the worst parts of town. I talked with not only the IP's that I trained but the local community as well. We were tasked with gauging the publics opinion of the Iraqi Forces work. As I said before, if they were from the same tribe, no problems, outsiders on the other hand were rarely welcomed. There are too many interior struggles for power. The Police Chief of Mosul was put in place since he and his family opposed Saddam back in the 80's and had their named black balled in Sunni politics. The Iraqi government that we helped establish wanted him gone but couldn't fire him since his tribe got their respect back. They even tried to move him to the countries police headquarters in Baghdad just to get his corruption out of Mosul. He refused the promotion and stayed there and was still the chief as of February 2006. There can be pogress but only if the tribes can run themselves and their towns. The big government needs to focus on larger issues like the infrastructure. Let the towns run themselves as mini states and then there may be some hope. As I understand it, that is what they are trying there now. If so, I hope it goes well, I know that I do not want to go back again.

I have to disagree with

I have to disagree with you.

While your first-hand experiences tell you the Iraqis are only effective where there is little to no fighting, other (recent) reports show otherwise. Check out what MNF-I and CENTCOM reports as well as Michael Yon for some encouraging reports.

The Iraqis still have a ways to go, but they are taking on larger roles as we take a step back in some areas.

"There are millions of people in Iraq who have sacrificed in the hope that the United States will finish its work here. We should never forget that." -- Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commander U.S. III Corps

Answers

I was in Baghdad from April 2003 to April 2004 then I was in Mosul from February 2005 to February 2006. During my second tour I spent April-June in Tikrit working the Division Internment Facility (DIF) there. When my platoon got back to our company in Mosul in June we began working with the Infantry (I am an MP) there to train the Iraqi Police. During our last two months there we took over the DIF for Mosul. Never reported for anyone. I found that most people do not appreciate too much straight talk that doesn't agree with their points. That's why I get a lot of my news from sites like this.

Questions & Answers

OK, let's see, you were there 2 times, not back since 2/2006.  Back to my questions not answered:  1)What 2 prisons?  2)Have you ever reported for a paper, mag, blog, etc?  Also, since the SURGE was begun in 2007 you have no idea how things are going now, do you?  You worked with 1 person who was well liked by his community, but not by the new government, correct?  Do you know if he is still in a position like you stated?  You know, last year I was a year younger, weighed 10 pounds less, had short hair, etc., but this year is a different story.  Are you living in the past?  Again I thank you for your service, as I served in Vietnam in Tet of '68.  Lots of people want to live in the past of that conflict, when the news that came on TV was so different from what I experienced.  Please limit your comments to what you know directly and when it was over a year ago, please advise that time frame.   

Politics and War

Imagine if the Democrat rhetoric was that they had a better plan to win the war, instead of preaching we have already lost, we cannot win, and we are the terrorists. Such a debate would have been healthy for this country; both sides debating how best to win. The Democrats had plenty of opportunity the last few years to claim, correctly, that we needed a new strategy. How different things would have been if they proposed alternative strategies for victory instead of proposing we are the losers morally equivalent to our enemies.

Imagine how differently our enemies would behave if both parties were debating how best to win? Instead of being emboldened to drag this out and kill as many as possible, it is they who would be fighting the lost cause; it is they who would be demoralized.

It was grossly irresponsible to instead say we can't win and must get out by April next year regardless of the outcome. Of course we can win. Duh! The Democrats are bowing to public pressure that they have a hand in creating. Democrats are more motivated by power than love for country. They have to say we cannot win to damage the Republicans as much as possible. Not because we cannot win.

The Bush Administration has made many mistakes handling the war, but it is the Democrats that disgust me.

_____________________________________________

Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum

Revolvr - I read some snippet yesterday about the UN war resolut

Revolvr - I read some snippet yesterday about the UN war resolution for the caolition forces RUNNING OUT ABOUT APRIL of next year....

 Here is the news the DEMS and the MSM DO NOT WANT TO REPORT...since they are basing their pullout times on a UN RESOLUTION - to RUN THE USA FROM THE UN PERCH OF CORRUPTION - and they don't want ANYONE to know that is what THEY ARE DOING.

 THE NEWS WON'T REPORT IT. THE DEMS WON'T SAY IT - THEY ARE CONSTROLLED BY THE UN - THAT IS THEIR TRUE LEADER AND GOD.

 Watch, you'll hear 2 snips about it, then total silence while the dems whine we must leave we must leave -- they LIE LIE LIE about their true ideas and intentions and the MOTIVATING FORCE BEHIND THEIR RHETORIC -  which is total *itch bowing their GOD the mighty UNITED NATIONS.

Clinton Love Fest

1st a Clinton Love Fest for Hill on Ellen yesterday, then Clinton Love Fest for Bill on Today this morning!  How can these things happen without equal time for other D(I)EM & Repub candidates? 

It's going much better than

The war in Iraq is going much better than the shameful msm will EVER admit. 

The Clinton’s Are Blocking “Path To 9/11″ DVD Sales

The Clinton’s Are Blocking “Path To 9/11″ DVD Sales

From LA Times:

Nowrasteh, also one of the miniseries’ many producers, said he was told by a top executive at ABC Studios that “if Hillary weren’t running for president, this wouldn’t be a problem.”

I think the best way to

I think the best way to guage success in Iraq is to look at Europe.  Europe and the Middle East were exactly alike:  lots of wealth, lots of natural resources, lots of highly-defined cultural, religious, and lingual differences that led to centuries of conflict and distrust.  Europe was every bit as chaotic as the Middle East up until the end of WWII.  WWII marked the first time that the U.S. finially woke up and realized that the pinheads in charge of Europe were incapable of looking past their own bloodlines, egos, and power needs, and establishing a long-term peace.  And as a result, we stayed in Europe instead of just going in, fighting a war, and then retreating to our little corner of the globe.  We stayed, we made sure everyone behaved, and we kept the peace until all the folks who had been raised on blood, vengence, and violence died and were replaced with new generations that had been raised in peace.  It took us 50 years, but it worked.

In Iraq we've eliminated a tyrant and we're getting a country used to democracy.  Anyone who thinks this is going to be easy should look at the post-war governments of France and Germany for examples of how hard it's going to be.  People who can't see past next Spring are seriously missing the big picture.  For us to be successful, we're going to need to sit on Iraq probably for as long as we sat on Europe.

The end of WWII brought a civil war in Greece, small conflicts throughout Germany, Italy, and France (which ultimately led France to pull out of NATO).  These are the same issues that we're either seeing in Iraq today, or will be as we move forward, so it shouldn't come as a shock or surprise to anyone that they're happening.  It also shouldn't be seen as some impossible barrier as we've worked through these issues before and we can work through them again.

"It took us 50 years, but

"It took us 50 years, but it worked."

I don't know Bruzilla, the US seems to have paid for a lot of WW1 and WW2 with the Lend Lease Act and the Marshall Plan.  Finland is the only country I can think of that repaid both WW1 and WW2 loans to the US.  In my opinion, Europe seems to have a perception that we are the bad guys from the Cold War, and that Soviet style communism wasn't really that bad.  Europe had 20 years to prevent another Great War from occuring after WW1, and only succeeded in having a far worse conflict arise.

It seems as if things are taught about the Cold War that the US caused everything.   

"I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane"  Waylon Jennings

Yes, we did pay a lot...

Yes, we did pay a lot... but we paid a whole helluva lot less, in treasury and blood, than what we have paid if WWIII had broken out.  We had to fight WWII because we did exactly what Democrats want us to do now.  We defeated the enemies of freedom in WWI, then we went home.  At that point it was just a question of waiting for next flock of power-grabbing nut jobs to rise up, and voila!  We're back at war.  The only difference between Europe in the 1920s and 1930s and the Middle East now is that back then the problem children were named Hitler and Mussollini, and now they're named Ahmadinejad and Assad.  Same types of people, leveraging the same needs of the same class of people. 

Had we left Europe to its own control after WWII, there's little doubt that we would have fought WWIII.

Not saying that fighting

Not saying that fighting WW2 wasn't the right thing to do, or to try to help the people of Europe out after WW2.  My dad was stationed in Germany in the 70's, so we were there to help protect.  Mussollini and Hitler both backed out of the League of Nations, similar to other leaders who thumb their noses at the UN.  The League of Nations didn't prevent Hitler of Mussollini or the Japanese from being aggressive, and I don't have much faith in the UN of dealing with leaders who thumb their noses at them either.

In my opinion I don't see the Europeans as thinking we were the good guys for staying around though.  Some seem appreciative, but I think most of the thinking in regards to the Cold War is that we were the bad guys somehow.

"I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane"  Waylon Jennings

 

But they're not the names

But they're not the names you are out there fighting now. In fact, I believe the names you are fighting now are "War" n' "Terror".

How long until the MSM bashes the Air Force?

The Airforce makes a mistake with shipping 5 nukes.  How long will it take the MSM to call tha USAF 'incompetent?  Im guessing in 5...4...3...2...1   Bomb drops

The American Revolution Continued

Not Long

CBS Radio "News" was prominently hyping this story on their morning newscasts. They "thought" it was even more important than the Islamic terror plot that was broken up in Europe this morning.

On one of their "newscasts", they even falsely reported that the nukes were armed.

msnbc did the same thing...

msnbc did the same thing...

LIVE EARTH final tallies!

Anyone have LIVE EARTH fianl tallies?  Monies spent, monies raised, how large a carbon footprint at each venue, etc???

Found so far

"Live Earth numbers are starting to pour in, and, rest assured, the people in charge made a lot of money.

According to Billboard, the London and New Jersey Live Earth concerts grossed almost $14 million. Both shows were produced by Live Nation, and both reportedly sold out."

 

Link

There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V

7/10 results..could we have the 9/5 results as now stand!

Those were the numbers shown on 7/10 and became disputed.  What are the numbers as of 9/5?

Damn, Rep. Paul Gillmor found dead today

Per CNN

 

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

Hillarys money?

It appears we have a runner!

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

running from the police or ....

on the run from the authorities or the "clinton" curse!

Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.

Fort Marcy Park

 Has anyone checked out Fort Marcy park yet?

 A bonafided and certified member of the beer guzzling, NASCAR watching middle class.

Oh, but bassndude...

He can do no wrong.  He gave money to the dems.  How many of them are going to return all of that money?  Hmmm??   Culture of corruption anyone?

The American Revolution Continued

For Roger the Shrubber

I am saying 99% because I worked in two different Division Internment Facilities (DIF's) during my second tour in Iraq. I am only stating what I had seen first hand. If you want a true idea of how it is going over there, talk to those of us who have been there two or three times. We have seen how the dynamics of the war has changed and it has not changed for the better. I am a Staff Sergeant in the US Army who has a bit of a grasp of what is really going on over there.

This is why I am skeptical

This is why I am skeptical of what you say:

a. I have spoken over the weekend to a life-long friend whose brother is an officer in Army intel, stationed in Iraq. I am given a completely different picture of the situation over there than what you have given.

b. Although your innocent "one military man's view of the war" story tugged at my heartstrings, you were sufficiently vague with your service, unit, etc, and the information and terminology you have used, when popped into Google, immediately brings up websites like KOSpedia and Human Rights Watch. Interesting.

c. Your last tour over there was 18 months ago.

d. All the news reports, bloggers, military information coming out of Iraq also contradicts what you say.

So, to sum it up: I can only conclude that you are full of crap, and my opinion will not change until you can prove otherwise.

I fully expect the obligatory mock indignation response, so carry on.

 

Katie tonight


CBS
Iraq report from Couric: We hear so much about things going bad, but...

JDW

CFR: Chung, Riady, Hsia, Trie, Huang, Hsu, Paw... Who's looking?