I probably should have called it "Reason magazine does CNN's job for them." (I hope everyone here agrees that this indeed was CNN's job, not Reason's! If not, I'd like to hear why...)
JMR
Why is republican fund raising so far behind the democrats?
#1) rank-n-file repubs being stingy? (mad-as-hell)
#2)dems shaking the money tree a lot harder, a lot sooner? (libs best shot at white house)
#3)repubs are not that far behind, media playing with the numbers? (not including all republican money, I mean a hundred million dollars behind)
#4)all of the above, none of the above?
It Just don't make any sense, I can see the middle of the road abandoning the repubs, but the rank-n-file repubs aren't going anywhere. I can't stand sen. graham or the President not fighting the critics back, but I'm not about to stick my head in the sand and abandon my fellow republicans.
how about dawdling, procrastinating, and just plain foot dragging when it came to building the fence, not killing that big immigration bill with dispatch, not prosecuting the current immigration laws, not getting it together in the matter of illegals running wild in the country.
Republicans are rational people who can't see the percentage in spending money when there is no candidate yet since the election is well over one year away.
Money spent against whatever creature the Democrats run is better spent than spending amongst themselves to eat each other up.
ACA
...
Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
This race will be won at the end, not at the beginning. The Dems need every cent they can get because MSM Obama-mania forced Hillary's hand, and she had to get her campaign in full combat mode earlier than she planned to, which meant every other Dem felt compelled to go lemming-like over the cliff.
I think Republicans are holding back awaiting Fred Thompson's announcement.
I think many conservatives are waiting for Fred Thompson, waiting for 2008, and/or waiting for a clearer picture on a Repub candidate.
I was more than a little annoyed that Mitt Romney has spent more than any other candidate in the second quarter of 2007. He has disappeared from the public eye in that time. what gives?
I'm practising do it yorself campaign finance reform. Maybe when the money confiscated from me is not wasted on bridges to nowhere while a big fence needs to be built, I will consider donating again.
Funding for Republicans is NOT behind...the collection efforts is way ahead. It's a 2008 election, late 2008, and it's over a Year away....what's the hurry...? Besides, is there anyone currently in Wash. that you would support in Congress? And wanna send $$$'s to ?
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
I live in AZ, and have paid special attention to this case as Tillman was very popular here.
After listening to this case I shook my head in shame in hearing the military trying to cover there asses. I know a lot of reporting has been done that is not popular or almost a down right lie when it comes to the soldiers/military with the MSM.
In the Tillman case it came down to a friendly fire incident (which happens in war) That at least 6 officers along with a 3 star general tried to suppress information so the military wouldn't look bad - THAT IS AN OUTRAGE, AND PEOPLES HEAD'S SHOULD ROLL.
I am pro-military as I can be (I have family in the military and in Iraq right now), as someone who realizes that freedom isn't free and an standing military is one of the only things keeping us that way. That being said, the military was wrong here, when a soldier dies in the military, the family of that soldier should never have to jump through hoops to find out what happened to their son/daughter PERIOD. If the military is willing to sacrifice a human life they should also be willing to give the truth of that death and not cover there asses because they don't want to look bad.
I've been thinking about something recently and I figure the NB's could have some good insight.
Is it possible to be truly capatilistic AND patriotic?
It seems to me that if you are a true capatilist, then country allegiance takes a back seat to the market place. Given a conflict between the two, a true capatilist would have to side with the market.
Yes. You're just forced sometimes to oppose socialist policies, but that's not opposing a legitimate government function under our Constitution. It does not make you love the country any less. It's kinda like being married to a beautiful girl, who has suddenly gained an enormous quantity of weight...To use this analogy, a loving spouse doesn't quit loving even when he is concerned for her worsening health.
JMR
Depends on what you mean by "competitive." For example, I think it's patriotic for someone to want to cheaply import Brazilian ethanol at free market prices, even if it's against a big sugar subsidy that's screwing up FL's environment while doing no good to finally get us independent of the oil dictstorships of the mideast. This act of capitalism would be illegal. That's both morally wrong, and long-term wrong for my country.
JMR
Leon is attempting to confuse ethics problems in general as an entirely capitalistic phenomenon - a standard leftwing tactic - just as lame as all of the others...
It's definitely possible to be both a capitalist and patriotic. Naturally, there are going to be times when the two paths will cross, such as trading with a known enemy. In those instances you must decide where your priorities lie, (of course, hopefully on the patriotic side.) I think most corporations favor the patriotic side, because it's usually capitalist suicide to do the non-patriotic thing.
Similar question: Which is more important, peace or freedom? You can have both, but not always. In those instances, would you sacrifice some freedoms for peace, or sacrifice some peace for freedom?
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
Perhaps you would do me the favor of explaining how capitalism and patriotism are disparate. If you can do this, then mayhaps your post will start to make sense.
Good thing aca didn't say read "Atlas Shrugged" - for some reason that book freaks out the left, I find it kind of funny when it's brought up in left wing blogs and the vitriol begins. (by the way, I've read Atlas Shrugged - good book, I thought it was interesting)
Why don't you explain why capitalism and patriotism are disparate. In typical Liberal fashion, you use opinion disquised as fact, put it out there, and when someone disagrees you pass the buck to have them find the facts. You made the comment, why don't you back it up?
Can you be a socialist AND patriotic? Without being TOLD to care for your country? And, as a socialist, would you them be un-patriotic, making purchases from non-socialistic countries?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dadV
At its core "socialism" has a globalist collectivist fantasy, in which national borders are removed because we're "all the same."
Why do you think the commie and socialist hymn is "The Internationale?"
It it is impossible to be a "patriotic" socialist because socialism is dedicated to removing the nation state. That's the sand foundation of socialism.
Look at the European Union -- it started out as a 'Common Market,' despised by leftists and the unions because they saw it as a "rich man's capitalist club."
But they gradually changed their minds when they saw how they could use it to remove national sovereignty, and use non-elecetd aparatchiks to impose their quasi-Marxism via an ever growing socialist welfare state. So it became the EE, the EC, and finally the EU, a supranational entity that wants its own constitution.
Socialists believe 'patriotism' is an anachronistic, reactionary shibboleth from a previous age.
Socialists see the destruction of "patriotism" as an essential precursor to their "worker's paradise."
That is why socialists can never be "patriotic" in the correct meaning of the word.
Hater, er, Leon must have had a reading assignment from a summer class he is taking at Bryn Mawr (or was it Vassar?) and he wants to share his newly-found knowledge.
Recently, the rumblings of support for the so-called “fairness doctrine” have begun to surface. The goal, according to the proponents, is to somehow legislate into existence some kind of counter to the 900-pound gorilla known as conservative talk radio. Air America Radio was intended to be that agent of balance, but despite the infusion of millions of George Soros money and the Star Power of Al Franken, it has been unable to gain nationwide traction with listeners or advertisers. AAR has lost several stations and last October filed for bankruptcy.
Faced with this failure and the continuing strong growth of conservative talkers like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and Savage, progressives seem intent on legislating what the free market failed to deliver.
The Fairness Doctrine was adopted by the FCC in 1949 in a time when frequencies were limited and the Commission was being flooded by license requests for new stations. In 1949, media outlets were considered “public trustees,” instead of private businesses. As the Museum of Broadcast Communications explains, “…broadcasters should make sure they did not use their stations simply as advocates with a singular perspective. Rather, they must allow all points of view. That requirement was to be enforced by FCC mandate.” (http://www.museum.tv...)
The doctrine was swept away in the flood of federal deregulation instituted by President Ronald Reagan. Within a few years, it became apparent that the cries of conservatives who felt their point of view wasn’t fairly represented by what they termed “The Main Stream Media” were legitimate. Conservative talkers began cropping up, most notably Rush Limbaugh, and saw their market share and popularity explode. That genre fuelled a resurgence in conservative political activity and many analysts point to that influence as being directly responsible for the Republicans gaining control of both houses of congress in 1994, for the first time in 40 years.
Liberals saw quickly that talk radio could move political mountains, and Democrat party officials strove mightily to carve out their own electronic beachhead, an effort that has largely failed.
Now, Democrat political leaders have begun to campaign for fairness legislation with a growing fervor. As this movement begins to catch momentum, it is apparent that the supporters are moving forward in ignorance of the inexorable effects of the “law of unintended consequences.” Defined by Rob Norton of The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics (http://www.econlib.o...) as “…actions of people—and especially of government—always have effects that are unanticipated or "unintended."
In this case, while supporters are convinced that this move will level the playing field, and perhaps eliminate these vexing influences, they are also ignorant of the other effects such a doctrine would impose. For example...
-- National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting System will be required to surrender 12 hours of their programming day to programs favorable to conservative issues.
-- Journalists will be required to identify both sides of a given issue in the lead paragraphs of their stories. Front page space will be halved, in order to ensure lawful reporting of both points of view.
-- In schools, conservatives could use the fairness doctrine to force equal-time discussions on matters such as intelligent design, and the sizeable amount of research identifying climate change as an effect of the dynamic forces of nature, rather than blaming the whole thing on "rich republicans."
-- College campuses would be required to allow conservative speakers in the same numbers as those espousing progressive points of view. And students would not be allowed to protest their presence.
-- Government research grants would have to be evenly distributed among researchers, meaning anthropogenic global warming advocates would be forced by law to share those monies with those individuals and groups performing contrary research. And the media would be forced by law to equally report the results of such research.
So you see, the imposition of a fairness doctrine works both ways. Progressives need to think long and hard about the real results before legislating an artificially level playing field.
The big problem with the examples you cite is that unlike the "rigid" definition of porn, i.e., "I know it when I see it", liberals don't know what's liberal when they see it. They know what conservative is, but to them the concept of something being liberal is just a big void because they see themselves as moderates or progressives, and liberals live with Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy in fantasyland. They're talked about a lot, but who are they?
NPR won't have to give up anything, because in the eyes of liberals, there's nothing liberal on NPR, and since there's nothing liberal on NPR there's no reason to give conservatives any air time. That same logic will get applied across the media sources.
yes, but don't forget that under the law, that interpretation won't be left up to NPR. It'll be determined by the courts and driven by the willingness of conservatives to file lawsuits. To paraphrase the quote from "A Few Good Men," "You can spend a year going blind on paperwork, or you can surrender to the inevitable." And we know how well-versed liberals are with surrender.
I've been reading a great book about the formation and operations of the American Volunteer Group (AVG), aka "The Flying Tigers", who were one of the most heralded combat units in WWII. The basis for the AVG was that some forward-thinking Americans knew that war with Japan was coming, that we needed to gain combat experience against them before we went to war, and that helping China fight Japan was a good way to start getting our licks in early. And on an operational basis, we had to protect China and its resources from falling into Japanese hands, and to do that we had to keep the Burma Road (the main supply line for the Chinese) from being destroyed. The Chinese military couldn't do it alone, and they needed our help. Unfortunately, there were a lot of people who felt that we had no business fighting overseas, and there was law after law passed to prevent us from engaging in conflicts outside the U.S.
The AVG was only formed, and became a tremendous asset to the U.S. war effort, because of a highly complex series of lies, misinformation, shadow companies, bribes, payoffs, nepotism (FDR's uncle was hired to lobby FDR), and a lot of concious decisions to break laws.
Can you imagine such a effort being tried today... as the CIA leaked stories of shipments of fighter planes, bought through shadow corporations, being sent to China to the New York Times? As the NYT fulfilled it's self-defined need to help our enemies by exposing vital operations that are needed to ensure our national security? Sure, the American people would have been well informed that many Americans had broken many U.S. laws, and there would have been tremendous political fallout... but the Burma Road would have been lost, and with it China and it's natural resources, to the Japanese, which would have greatly changed the course of the war.
It's kinda scary to realize that we could have lost the war in the Pacific if the MSM of the 1940s had acted like the MSM of today. Now we're just losing the war on terror because of it.
Ann Coulter has a good column this week. She picked up on my suspicion of Obama using the race card in the YouTube debate. He claims that he can't get a cab in NYC because he's black. (Maybe he should try having one of those taxpayer supplied bodyguards get him one).
I think even Ann might have missed a bit of this story. As I recall, the issue with NYC cabbies was that they wouldn't pick up questionable blacks (defined as young, black men, in groups, wearing gang clothing) after dark. They also wouldn't go to call pickups after certain hours where the caller told the dispatcher they wanted to go to an unsafe area. So was Obama out at 2AM hailing a cab while wearing gang colors?
Congress apporval ratings in the teens because they haven't done anything.....you'd think they would get the point and stop wasting time with their games and actually try to do some legislative work for a change.
No RINOs in '08 - Thompson/Hunter would be a good ticket; Thompson/Steele would be a great ticket
Is it a testimony to the greatness of this country that we can apparently carry on with business as usual in spite of the pathetically inept buffoons in Congress spinning their wheels month in and month out.
Or is it an ominous warning that we are trundling about on top of a house of cards...?
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
Wonder if there's a chart showing people's morale and productivity when congress is on vacation? I'd bet that both would go up and up the longer the politicos stayed out.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dadV
When I was growing up Montana had a 6 week legislative session and it was every other year. The Montanans figured 6 weeks every two years was enough time for them to get in trouble.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
...you'd think they would get the point and stop wasting time with their games and actually try to do some legislative work for a change.
That is because they cannot get any of their legislation passed, other than trying to protect suspicious Muslims from being fingered by observant Americans, which has been thwarted, for now.
Of course, I see the dims inability to get their loony legislation passed as a good thing.
yeah, finally some good news ... but i still bet the dems will try to push it through, further exposing themselves as petty, wasteful spenders of taxpayer $ to settle old scores ...
... the democrap takeover of Congress in 06 is laughable ... kind of like a flight attendant being allowed to fly the plane ...
Hey all, I'm listening to the evil talk radio right now in AZ where I live.
Get this, our Sheriff Joe Apio created a new "hot line" last week to call in and report Illegal's. Apparently over 300 people have called so far. At this point Sheriff Joe has done nothing with the phone calls into the hot line. What is interesting and what has happened in response, is that the illegal alien Latino groups (with the backing of Mary Rose Wilcox who is the Democrat, 5th District Supervisor) have created there own "hot line" to get this - report people, that reported people to the Sheriff's hotline.
Now looking at this, isn't this the same or at least similar to the kind of intimidation that the "flying Imams" are trying to do in going after the "John Doe's" so they can sue these people for reporting suspicious behavior?
In further thought, isn't this what our government TOLD us to do after 9/11? You know, if it looks suspicious or out of place report it? I hope this does the exact opposite of what the Democrats are expecting and it pisses people off even more and motivates the citizens to call the Sheriffs hot line to the point of 1000's of calls a day to it (hell I can name 10 locations myself - it's ridiculous here in Arizona).
I'll look forward to any debate on this, and sadly my opinion of Democrats acting as Socialist Elitist has been re-enforced again *sigh* How can someone hate themselves so much?
"During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 degrees Fahrenheit (higher than average, even for scorching hot Phoenix) Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths" . However, inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear." Wiki
His prison is tents
makes them wear pink underwear
has a posse
and more:
Arpaio banned smoking in the county jail. He also removed pornographic magazines (the ban was later upheld in court) and weightlifting equipment. Entertainment was limited to only G-rated movies; the cable TV system (mandated by court order) was severely blocked by Arpaio to limit viewing to those stations Arpaio deems to be "educational", mainly Animal Planet, Disney Channel, The Weather Channel, A&E, CNN, and the local government access channel. Wiki
and best of all:
Arpaio has instructed his deputies and members of his civilian posse to round up and arrest suspected illegal aliens. Arpaio said to Fox News, "My message is clear: If you come here and I catch you, you're going straight to jail. [...] I'm not going to turn these people over to federal authorities so they can have a free ride back to Mexico. I'll give them a free ride to my jail." [8] To date, Arpaio has arrested at least 263 people under this program. [9]
I do like his school of hard knocks, take no prisoners attitude, especially when it comes to criminals, but there is a flip side to every coin as there have been a lot of suspicious story's regarding Arpio and his intimidation especially when you have you're own posse at your disposal (doesnt the word "posse" mean "gang").
Here is a cool story about my Chicago Bears. They received a humanitarian award for their efforts as a team and an organization to give back to the community.
If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG. Thompson/Rice
Didn't we have a report from the "NYT" or someone like that about how well Castro was doing and that he was enjoying watching the Pan Am Games? Well, it appears Mr. Couch Potato couldn't get off the couch to address the people of Cuba today. This is huge.
Have you noticed the following on the coverage of Michael Vick:
1. Plenty of Richmond references (implies white and south)
2. Jury pool will be comprised of rural, not urban (implies white)
3. No mention of Virginia Tech (implies people of white conservative Virginia will not support Vick)
4. Groups protesting Vick not labeled properly as the liberal whack jobs they are (ignores liberals protesting a sports hero of a mostly liberal group)
5. MSM trying its best to spin the white v. black issue
6. Reference to judge nominated by George W. Bush in 2002 (unlike Hazelton PA judge Clinton reference omitted in illegal immigrant lawsuit)
Sad state of affairs for a man who has all the opportunity in the world and the MSM spinning it like it will be the white man putting him in jail.
I think you're reading too much in to it. Black or white, Vick's animal cruelty is a non-partisan, non-racial issue. The media doesn't exactly need to spin it, and I don't think they have. For a guy who "allegedly" participated in these activities and has yet to be judged guilty, almost every reporter and pundit I've seen has expressed disgust over the matter. I think the coverage is more likely to turn the public against him than to make people feel like he's being persecuted by the man.
I agree. My friends are horrified by this regardless of race, and those who knew how athletically-gifted the man is are mystified as to why he'd do this and ruin his life. At this point, he's inside a courthouse with an angry crowd that was repeatedly chanting the s-word over MSNBC a bit earlier today (good thing so many tax dollars go to that wonderful and protective FCC -- I think it was just as kids were gettin' home from school!) I personally prefer idiot-cruelty over animal cruelty. For example, someday I'd love to go witness (from about 3 stories up) morons getting gored at "The Running of the Bulls" in Pamplona, Spain, but I don't really want to go to the bullfight afterwards.
JMR
Ditto on the bull running! I'd be one of the people on the other side of the fence watching those fools running for their lives - no real interest in seeing bulls get killed. The morons, after all, chose to be in front of the horns.
I agree with your sentiment, but I think you might misunderstand mine a bit. You see, I don't think I'd trust ANY Spaniard's fence while those very-annoyed bulls are on the loose! And I meant at least three flights up from the morons -- the goal is that this be a visual/food/drinking event, not a physical event of any sort.
JMR
I know that this is going to bother some of you, but pit bulls were breed to fight in pits. Whether it was bears, bulls or other dogs, that is what they are breed for. It is in the nature of the dog. People would be distraught if you refused to take a springer spaniel to the lake to let it run in the water, or refuse to let the retriever retrieve. Yet, they get all wobble-kneed at the idea of a pit bull doing what it was breed to do.
Personally, I do not think it should be against the law. If cage fighting is legal, pit bull fighting should be legal.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
I disagree. I've known some pit owners and they're like any other dog if raised humanely. The crime is in bringing out the aggression in the dog, matching it up against smaller dogs to train it, and cruelly killing the dogs who aren't successful fighters.
Comments Policy
Jered Townsend SPEAKS TRUTH
July 26, 2007 - 10:16 ET by sarcasmoJered Townsend SPEAKS TRUTH TO BIDEN (and of course, it's real journalists -- ie tiny Reason magazine -- asking the questions!).
JMR
Speaks Truth To Biden ..
July 26, 2007 - 11:08 ET by Jack BauerSpeaks Truth To Biden .. funny sarc.
I probably should have
July 26, 2007 - 11:24 ET by sarcasmoI probably should have called it "Reason magazine does CNN's job for them." (I hope everyone here agrees that this indeed was CNN's job, not Reason's! If not, I'd like to hear why...)
JMR
And another thing....
July 26, 2007 - 11:41 ET by sarcasmoAnd at least Jered's not being threatened for his politically-incorrect speech about self-defense. Yet...(Hmm. Let's see, slammed the news media & slammed the BATF before noon over the same issue...My work is done!)
JMR
Why is republican fund
July 26, 2007 - 10:22 ET by oorampWhy is republican fund raising so far behind the democrats?
#1) rank-n-file repubs being stingy? (mad-as-hell)
#2)dems shaking the money tree a lot harder, a lot sooner? (libs best shot at white house)
#3)repubs are not that far behind, media playing with the numbers? (not including all republican money, I mean a hundred million dollars behind)
#4)all of the above, none of the above?
It Just don't make any sense, I can see the middle of the road abandoning the repubs, but the rank-n-file repubs aren't going anywhere. I can't stand sen. graham or the President not fighting the critics back, but I'm not about to stick my head in the sand and abandon my fellow republicans.
please visit : www.changethemedia.com
how about dawdling,
July 26, 2007 - 10:35 ET by PKhow about dawdling, procrastinating, and just plain foot dragging when it came to building the fence, not killing that big immigration bill with dispatch, not prosecuting the current immigration laws, not getting it together in the matter of illegals running wild in the country.
you know little things like that.
C
pk
July 26, 2007 - 11:09 ET by oorampWhat you have said, to me, is why we lost the middle of the road, last time around.
please visit : www.changethemedia.com
well el rushbo said a
July 27, 2007 - 01:30 ET by PKwell el rushbo said a couple of years ago that the first politician to take up the cudgels about illegal aliens would own the west.
the current bunch seemed not to want to get thier fingers on it.
so the only way to get thier attention is to hold back the cash.
they'll say that they have religeon starting about next march but they're politicians.
the only way to tell if a politician is lying is to see if his mouth is open when he talks.
C
How about this take on Republican Fund Raising?
July 26, 2007 - 10:35 ET by acaiguanaRepublicans are rational people who can't see the percentage in spending money when there is no candidate yet since the election is well over one year away.
Money spent against whatever creature the Democrats run is better spent than spending amongst themselves to eat each other up.
ACA
...
Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
This race will be won at
July 26, 2007 - 10:40 ET by BruzillaThis race will be won at the end, not at the beginning. The Dems need every cent they can get because MSM Obama-mania forced Hillary's hand, and she had to get her campaign in full combat mode earlier than she planned to, which meant every other Dem felt compelled to go lemming-like over the cliff.
I think Republicans are holding back awaiting Fred Thompson's announcement.
I think many conservatives
July 26, 2007 - 11:43 ET by Roger the ShrubberI think many conservatives are waiting for Fred Thompson, waiting for 2008, and/or waiting for a clearer picture on a Repub candidate.
I was more than a little annoyed that Mitt Romney has spent more than any other candidate in the second quarter of 2007. He has disappeared from the public eye in that time. what gives?
Not from public eye/just from MSM eye
July 26, 2007 - 18:25 ET by PawpawNNot from public eye, just from MSM's eye.
GOP fundraising
July 26, 2007 - 12:09 ET by GbearI'm practising do it yorself campaign finance reform. Maybe when the money confiscated from me is not wasted on bridges to nowhere while a big fence needs to be built, I will consider donating again.
Funding is pending 2008.....It's a 2009 swearing in
July 26, 2007 - 14:15 ET by JayTeeFunding for Republicans is NOT behind...the collection efforts is way ahead. It's a 2008 election, late 2008, and it's over a Year away....what's the hurry...? Besides, is there anyone currently in Wash. that you would support in Congress? And wanna send $$$'s to ?
What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ? David Foote GoE
General faces demotion in
July 26, 2007 - 10:43 ET by JDWGeneral faces demotion in Tillman case
JDW
News media: Scoreboard for terrorists
Incorrect JDW
July 26, 2007 - 13:30 ET by SQL_SamI live in AZ, and have paid special attention to this case as Tillman was very popular here.
After listening to this case I shook my head in shame in hearing the military trying to cover there asses. I know a lot of reporting has been done that is not popular or almost a down right lie when it comes to the soldiers/military with the MSM.
In the Tillman case it came down to a friendly fire incident (which happens in war) That at least 6 officers along with a 3 star general tried to suppress information so the military wouldn't look bad - THAT IS AN OUTRAGE, AND PEOPLES HEAD'S SHOULD ROLL.
I am pro-military as I can be (I have family in the military and in Iraq right now), as someone who realizes that freedom isn't free and an standing military is one of the only things keeping us that way. That being said, the military was wrong here, when a soldier dies in the military, the family of that soldier should never have to jump through hoops to find out what happened to their son/daughter PERIOD. If the military is willing to sacrifice a human life they should also be willing to give the truth of that death and not cover there asses because they don't want to look bad.
July 26, '07 stories NOT reported . .
July 26, 2007 - 10:45 ET by FastEdby the msm (Lsm) - "Khalis tribal leaders sign peace agreement"
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
I've been thinking about
July 26, 2007 - 10:46 ET by LeonI've been thinking about something recently and I figure the NB's could have some good insight.
Is it possible to be truly capatilistic AND patriotic?
It seems to me that if you are a true capatilist, then country allegiance takes a back seat to the market place. Given a conflict between the two, a true capatilist would have to side with the market.
So is it possible to be a patriotic capatilist?
Yes. You're just forced
July 26, 2007 - 10:50 ET by sarcasmoYes. You're just forced sometimes to oppose socialist policies, but that's not opposing a legitimate government function under our Constitution. It does not make you love the country any less. It's kinda like being married to a beautiful girl, who has suddenly gained an enormous quantity of weight...To use this analogy, a loving spouse doesn't quit loving even when he is concerned for her worsening health.
JMR
Sarc, I can envision many
July 26, 2007 - 10:53 ET by LeonSarc,
I can envision many instances where the 'right' thing to do in terms of capatislism could go against the best interests of your country.
I.E. doing significant business with competitive countries
Depends on what you mean by
July 26, 2007 - 10:56 ET by sarcasmoDepends on what you mean by "competitive." For example, I think it's patriotic for someone to want to cheaply import Brazilian ethanol at free market prices, even if it's against a big sugar subsidy that's screwing up FL's environment while doing no good to finally get us independent of the oil dictstorships of the mideast. This act of capitalism would be illegal. That's both morally wrong, and long-term wrong for my country.
JMR
Leon is attempting to
July 26, 2007 - 11:16 ET by TruthMongerLeon is attempting to confuse ethics problems in general as an entirely capitalistic phenomenon - a standard leftwing tactic - just as lame as all of the others...
It's definitely possible to
July 26, 2007 - 13:28 ET by Hero SquadIt's definitely possible to be both a capitalist and patriotic. Naturally, there are going to be times when the two paths will cross, such as trading with a known enemy. In those instances you must decide where your priorities lie, (of course, hopefully on the patriotic side.) I think most corporations favor the patriotic side, because it's usually capitalist suicide to do the non-patriotic thing.
Similar question: Which is more important, peace or freedom? You can have both, but not always. In those instances, would you sacrifice some freedoms for peace, or sacrifice some peace for freedom?
*****
"I'm sorry, you must have mistaken me for a clown that gives a damn!" - Sticky the Clown
And things get a bit more
July 27, 2007 - 08:51 ET by sarcasmoAnd things get a bit more morally-complex when we have "friends" like this dictatorship.
JMR
Leon, stop thinking about things, please.
July 26, 2007 - 10:55 ET by acaiguana1. Conflating two disparate thingys sounds good; but has no meaning.
2. Conclusions drawn from same follow the model below:
Get it?
ACA
...
Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
You're post makes no sense
July 26, 2007 - 10:57 ET by LeonYou're post makes no sense but thanks for playing.
Patriotism and Capitalism are not disparate things. They are closely related.
Try again. Or not. The choice is yours.
Well Leon, for the first time on this site, you are right.
July 26, 2007 - 10:59 ET by acaiguanaIt is painfully obvious that to you, my post would make no sense.
ACA
...
Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
Well aca, Perhaps you
July 26, 2007 - 11:02 ET by LeonWell aca,
Perhaps you would do me the favor of explaining how capitalism and patriotism are disparate. If you can do this, then mayhaps your post will start to make sense.
We'll go from there.
Leon, I don't have the time to fill in your lack of education.
July 26, 2007 - 11:08 ET by acaiguanaIf you are interested in this topic, read this book first - then follow the concept through and come back, we'll talk.
Free markets, free men: Frederic Bastiat, 1801-1850 (Paperback)
by George Charles Roche (Author)
I forgive your public education.
ACA
...
Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
Aca, You don't even have
July 26, 2007 - 11:09 ET by LeonAca,
You don't even have the ability to answer the question in your own words succinctly?
How lazy are you? You make a claim then tell me to read a book. If you're so knowledgable, it shouldn't be hard for you to express your rationale.
Instead, you've told me to read a book. Great. Why bring it up if you're not willing to discuss the merits of your assertion?
Accuse the other side of exactly what you are doing?
July 26, 2007 - 11:13 ET by acaiguanaLook, Leon, this is like trying to explain the magic of electricity to a savage.
ACA
...
Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
Aca -
July 26, 2007 - 11:14 ET by FastEdHe uses mis-direction to divert the conversation.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Good thing aca didn't say
July 26, 2007 - 13:43 ET by SQL_SamGood thing aca didn't say read "Atlas Shrugged" - for some reason that book freaks out the left, I find it kind of funny when it's brought up in left wing blogs and the vitriol begins. (by the way, I've read Atlas Shrugged - good book, I thought it was interesting)
Explain Leon
July 27, 2007 - 11:34 ET by Felicia LuceWhy don't you explain why capitalism and patriotism are disparate. In typical Liberal fashion, you use opinion disquised as fact, put it out there, and when someone disagrees you pass the buck to have them find the facts. You made the comment, why don't you back it up?
Stop global warming. Ball-gag a liberal.
Good one ACA
July 27, 2007 - 11:45 ET by Six String SpiffI believe that is called Aristotelian Logic?
Libs use it A LOT!
Conservative = Bad
Republican = Conservative (Usually)
Therefore....
What the MSSM doesn't report can kill you.
Why not look to the flip side?
July 26, 2007 - 11:13 ET by FastEdCan you be a socialist AND patriotic? Without being TOLD to care for your country? And, as a socialist, would you them be un-patriotic, making purchases from non-socialistic countries?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
fast -- actually it's even
July 26, 2007 - 11:33 ET by Jack Bauerfast -- actually it's even worse than that.
At its core "socialism" has a globalist collectivist fantasy, in which national borders are removed because we're "all the same."
Why do you think the commie and socialist hymn is "The Internationale?"
It it is impossible to be a "patriotic" socialist because socialism is dedicated to removing the nation state. That's the sand foundation of socialism.
Look at the European Union -- it started out as a 'Common Market,' despised by leftists and the unions because they saw it as a "rich man's capitalist club."
But they gradually changed their minds when they saw how they could use it to remove national sovereignty, and use non-elecetd aparatchiks to impose their quasi-Marxism via an ever growing socialist welfare state. So it became the EE, the EC, and finally the EU, a supranational entity that wants its own constitution.
Socialists believe 'patriotism' is an anachronistic, reactionary shibboleth from a previous age.
Socialists see the destruction of "patriotism" as an essential precursor to their "worker's paradise."
That is why socialists can never be "patriotic" in the correct meaning of the word.
Hater, er, Leon must have
July 26, 2007 - 12:03 ET by Roger the ShrubberHater, er, Leon must have had a reading assignment from a summer class he is taking at Bryn Mawr (or was it Vassar?) and he wants to share his newly-found knowledge.
needs more thought leon,
July 27, 2007 - 01:35 ET by PKneeds more thought leon, like come back in a century or two.
C
Fairness Is As Fairness Does
July 26, 2007 - 10:58 ET by StarshipRecently, the rumblings of support for the so-called “fairness doctrine” have begun to surface. The goal, according to the proponents, is to somehow legislate into existence some kind of counter to the 900-pound gorilla known as conservative talk radio. Air America Radio was intended to be that agent of balance, but despite the infusion of millions of George Soros money and the Star Power of Al Franken, it has been unable to gain nationwide traction with listeners or advertisers. AAR has lost several stations and last October filed for bankruptcy.
Faced with this failure and the continuing strong growth of conservative talkers like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and Savage, progressives seem intent on legislating what the free market failed to deliver.
The Fairness Doctrine was adopted by the FCC in 1949 in a time when frequencies were limited and the Commission was being flooded by license requests for new stations. In 1949, media outlets were considered “public trustees,” instead of private businesses. As the Museum of Broadcast Communications explains, “…broadcasters should make sure they did not use their stations simply as advocates with a singular perspective. Rather, they must allow all points of view. That requirement was to be enforced by FCC mandate.” (http://www.museum.tv...)
The doctrine was swept away in the flood of federal deregulation instituted by President Ronald Reagan. Within a few years, it became apparent that the cries of conservatives who felt their point of view wasn’t fairly represented by what they termed “The Main Stream Media” were legitimate. Conservative talkers began cropping up, most notably Rush Limbaugh, and saw their market share and popularity explode. That genre fuelled a resurgence in conservative political activity and many analysts point to that influence as being directly responsible for the Republicans gaining control of both houses of congress in 1994, for the first time in 40 years.
Liberals saw quickly that talk radio could move political mountains, and Democrat party officials strove mightily to carve out their own electronic beachhead, an effort that has largely failed.
Now, Democrat political leaders have begun to campaign for fairness legislation with a growing fervor. As this movement begins to catch momentum, it is apparent that the supporters are moving forward in ignorance of the inexorable effects of the “law of unintended consequences.” Defined by Rob Norton of The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics (http://www.econlib.o...) as “…actions of people—and especially of government—always have effects that are unanticipated or "unintended."
In this case, while supporters are convinced that this move will level the playing field, and perhaps eliminate these vexing influences, they are also ignorant of the other effects such a doctrine would impose. For example...
-- National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting System will be required to surrender 12 hours of their programming day to programs favorable to conservative issues.
-- Journalists will be required to identify both sides of a given issue in the lead paragraphs of their stories. Front page space will be halved, in order to ensure lawful reporting of both points of view.
-- In schools, conservatives could use the fairness doctrine to force equal-time discussions on matters such as intelligent design, and the sizeable amount of research identifying climate change as an effect of the dynamic forces of nature, rather than blaming the whole thing on "rich republicans."
-- College campuses would be required to allow conservative speakers in the same numbers as those espousing progressive points of view. And students would not be allowed to protest their presence.
-- Government research grants would have to be evenly distributed among researchers, meaning anthropogenic global warming advocates would be forced by law to share those monies with those individuals and groups performing contrary research. And the media would be forced by law to equally report the results of such research.
So you see, the imposition of a fairness doctrine works both ways. Progressives need to think long and hard about the real results before legislating an artificially level playing field.
http://race-the-sunset.blogspot.com/
We built this
July 26, 2007 - 11:15 ET by Roger the ShrubberWe built this city.....
Which,using . .
July 26, 2007 - 11:20 ET by FastEdleon logic, we can tear it down.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
..on crock and
July 26, 2007 - 11:34 ET by Jack Bauer..on crock and drool?
Classic!
July 26, 2007 - 11:48 ET by Roger the ShrubberClassic!
If you . .
July 26, 2007 - 11:49 ET by FastEdThrow enough and drool has been know to disolve any material devised by man - ask any mom who has wiped a little kids face.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
The big problem with the
July 26, 2007 - 11:26 ET by BruzillaThe big problem with the examples you cite is that unlike the "rigid" definition of porn, i.e., "I know it when I see it", liberals don't know what's liberal when they see it. They know what conservative is, but to them the concept of something being liberal is just a big void because they see themselves as moderates or progressives, and liberals live with Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy in fantasyland. They're talked about a lot, but who are they?
NPR won't have to give up anything, because in the eyes of liberals, there's nothing liberal on NPR, and since there's nothing liberal on NPR there's no reason to give conservatives any air time. That same logic will get applied across the media sources.
Fairness
July 26, 2007 - 13:07 ET by Starshipyes, but don't forget that under the law, that interpretation won't be left up to NPR. It'll be determined by the courts and driven by the willingness of conservatives to file lawsuits. To paraphrase the quote from "A Few Good Men," "You can spend a year going blind on paperwork, or you can surrender to the inevitable." And we know how well-versed liberals are with surrender.
The Greatest Generation
July 26, 2007 - 11:29 ET by BruzillaI've been reading a great book about the formation and operations of the American Volunteer Group (AVG), aka "The Flying Tigers", who were one of the most heralded combat units in WWII. The basis for the AVG was that some forward-thinking Americans knew that war with Japan was coming, that we needed to gain combat experience against them before we went to war, and that helping China fight Japan was a good way to start getting our licks in early. And on an operational basis, we had to protect China and its resources from falling into Japanese hands, and to do that we had to keep the Burma Road (the main supply line for the Chinese) from being destroyed. The Chinese military couldn't do it alone, and they needed our help. Unfortunately, there were a lot of people who felt that we had no business fighting overseas, and there was law after law passed to prevent us from engaging in conflicts outside the U.S.
The AVG was only formed, and became a tremendous asset to the U.S. war effort, because of a highly complex series of lies, misinformation, shadow companies, bribes, payoffs, nepotism (FDR's uncle was hired to lobby FDR), and a lot of concious decisions to break laws.
Can you imagine such a effort being tried today... as the CIA leaked stories of shipments of fighter planes, bought through shadow corporations, being sent to China to the New York Times? As the NYT fulfilled it's self-defined need to help our enemies by exposing vital operations that are needed to ensure our national security? Sure, the American people would have been well informed that many Americans had broken many U.S. laws, and there would have been tremendous political fallout... but the Burma Road would have been lost, and with it China and it's natural resources, to the Japanese, which would have greatly changed the course of the war.
It's kinda scary to realize that we could have lost the war in the Pacific if the MSM of the 1940s had acted like the MSM of today. Now we're just losing the war on terror because of it.
Obama's Race Card
July 26, 2007 - 11:32 ET by GothampcAnn Coulter has a good column this week. She picked up on my suspicion of Obama using the race card in the YouTube debate. He claims that he can't get a cab in NYC because he's black. (Maybe he should try having one of those taxpayer supplied bodyguards get him one).
http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi
}}}----> Obama's Taxi woes
July 26, 2007 - 11:59 ET by Cool ArrowI read that column first thing this morning.
Roar of applause from a bunch of people who see NYC cabbies as portrayed in '50's movies. Where to mac?
But Obama must be telling the truth because he's walked in the shoes of the oppressed Minority.
And all the people say...Amen
Hope he lost the Cabbie vote.
"Hope he lost the Cabbie
July 26, 2007 - 12:19 ET by Gothampc"Hope he lost the Cabbie vote."
I suspect that many cabbies are "undocumented workers". I thought Hillary had the illegal alien vote in her pocket.
Earnest Borgnine as
July 26, 2007 - 13:01 ET by Dan The Man 2Earnest Borgnine as Cabbie in Escape from NY.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I wonder how often Ernie
July 26, 2007 - 15:46 ET by Roger the ShrubberI wonder how often Ernie gets asked the same question so many people asked Snake Pliskin in that classic movie: "I thought you were dead"?
I think even Ann might have
July 26, 2007 - 12:24 ET by BruzillaI think even Ann might have missed a bit of this story. As I recall, the issue with NYC cabbies was that they wouldn't pick up questionable blacks (defined as young, black men, in groups, wearing gang clothing) after dark. They also wouldn't go to call pickups after certain hours where the caller told the dispatcher they wanted to go to an unsafe area. So was Obama out at 2AM hailing a cab while wearing gang colors?
XXX
July 26, 2007 - 11:51 ET by JDWXXX
Dems urge perjury probe of Gonzales
What else do these people do besides hold hearings and inquiries on Bush personnel?
JDW
News media: Scoreboard for terrorists
Congress doesn't get it yet...
July 26, 2007 - 12:13 ET by SouthJersey1953Congress apporval ratings in the teens because they haven't done anything.....you'd think they would get the point and stop wasting time with their games and actually try to do some legislative work for a change.
No RINOs in '08 - Thompson/Hunter would be a good ticket; Thompson/Steele would be a great ticket
Is it a testimony to the
July 26, 2007 - 13:08 ET by HelenSIs it a testimony to the greatness of this country that we can apparently carry on with business as usual in spite of the pathetically inept buffoons in Congress spinning their wheels month in and month out.
Or is it an ominous warning that we are trundling about on top of a house of cards...?
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
The less Congress does....
July 26, 2007 - 14:07 ET by Prester John....the better it is for all of us, except of course for those who rely on government handouts.
Was thinking the same
July 26, 2007 - 16:08 ET by FastEdWonder if there's a chart showing people's morale and productivity when congress is on vacation? I'd bet that both would go up and up the longer the politicos stayed out.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
6 week session
July 26, 2007 - 16:11 ET by dagdaWhen I was growing up Montana had a 6 week legislative session and it was every other year. The Montanans figured 6 weeks every two years was enough time for them to get in trouble.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
i remember those days. C
July 26, 2007 - 20:16 ET by PKi remember those days.
C
South,
July 26, 2007 - 13:21 ET by Dave R...you'd think they would get the point and stop wasting time with their games and actually try to do some legislative work for a change.
That is because they cannot get any of their legislation passed, other than trying to protect suspicious Muslims from being fingered by observant Americans, which has been thwarted, for now.
Of course, I see the dims inability to get their loony legislation passed as a good thing.
Help Fred defeat everybody.
FCC doesn't see need for fairness doctrine ...
July 26, 2007 - 12:07 ET by pmohbuckyeah, finally some good news ... but i still bet the dems will try to push it through, further exposing themselves as petty, wasteful spenders of taxpayer $ to settle old scores ...
... the democrap takeover of Congress in 06 is laughable ... kind of like a flight attendant being allowed to fly the plane ...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QKB7000&show_article=1
Current News in AZ
July 26, 2007 - 13:12 ET by SQL_SamHey all, I'm listening to the evil talk radio right now in AZ where I live.
Get this, our Sheriff Joe Apio created a new "hot line" last week to call in and report Illegal's. Apparently over 300 people have called so far. At this point Sheriff Joe has done nothing with the phone calls into the hot line. What is interesting and what has happened in response, is that the illegal alien Latino groups (with the backing of Mary Rose Wilcox who is the Democrat, 5th District Supervisor) have created there own "hot line" to get this - report people, that reported people to the Sheriff's hotline.
Now looking at this, isn't this the same or at least similar to the kind of intimidation that the "flying Imams" are trying to do in going after the "John Doe's" so they can sue these people for reporting suspicious behavior?
In further thought, isn't this what our government TOLD us to do after 9/11? You know, if it looks suspicious or out of place report it? I hope this does the exact opposite of what the Democrats are expecting and it pisses people off even more and motivates the citizens to call the Sheriffs hot line to the point of 1000's of calls a day to it (hell I can name 10 locations myself - it's ridiculous here in Arizona).
I'll look forward to any debate on this, and sadly my opinion of Democrats acting as Socialist Elitist has been re-enforced again *sigh* How can someone hate themselves so much?
This guy Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been in the news before.
July 26, 2007 - 13:56 ET by vrwc13This guy Joe Arpaio has been in the news before.
"During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 degrees Fahrenheit (higher than average, even for scorching hot Phoenix) Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths" . However, inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear." Wiki
Arpaio banned smoking in the county jail. He also removed pornographic magazines (the ban was later upheld in court) and weightlifting equipment. Entertainment was limited to only G-rated movies; the cable TV system (mandated by court order) was severely blocked by Arpaio to limit viewing to those stations Arpaio deems to be "educational", mainly Animal Planet, Disney Channel, The Weather Channel, A&E, CNN, and the local government access channel. Wiki
and best of all:
Arpaio has instructed his deputies and members of his civilian posse to round up and arrest suspected illegal aliens. Arpaio said to Fox News, "My message is clear: If you come here and I catch you, you're going straight to jail. [...] I'm not going to turn these people over to federal authorities so they can have a free ride back to Mexico. I'll give them a free ride to my jail." [8] To date, Arpaio has arrested at least 263 people under this program. [9]
One of Arpaio's unorthodox practices includes the requirement that these inmates sing "God Bless America" and the "Star Spangled Banner." Wiki
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
If only .
July 26, 2007 - 14:04 ET by FastEdwe could get this to happen on the state level - then on to the Federal!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Thompson/Arpaio '08
July 26, 2007 - 14:08 ET by vrwc13Thompson/Arpaio '08
Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened. -Winston Churchill.
it goes both ways with Arpio
July 26, 2007 - 14:09 ET by SQL_SamI do like his school of hard knocks, take no prisoners attitude, especially when it comes to criminals, but there is a flip side to every coin as there have been a lot of suspicious story's regarding Arpio and his intimidation especially when you have you're own posse at your disposal (doesnt the word "posse" mean "gang").
Posse?
July 26, 2007 - 18:47 ET by BurroCrane 3098Isn't that what the Sheriff formed from the towns folk to go after the bad guys "what kilt pa, raped sis, and stole your bible"
as sherrif he serves at the
July 26, 2007 - 20:22 ET by PKas sherrif he serves at the pleasure of the citizens of the county.
then of course there was sherrif henry plummer of virginia city montana.
C
A definition of "Whole kit and kaboodle"
July 26, 2007 - 13:54 ET by FastEdPlanning for GW hot weather - doing it on the cheap!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
Something good from Pro Sports
July 26, 2007 - 14:07 ET by LionKingHere is a cool story about my Chicago Bears. They received a humanitarian award for their efforts as a team and an organization to give back to the community.
Gotta love this -
July 26, 2007 - 14:11 ET by FastEdSarc, this one's for you "IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability"
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
old news
July 26, 2007 - 14:14 ET by LionKingCheck out the forums under latest news.
Castro didn't talk today
July 26, 2007 - 15:18 ET by Carl KolchakDidn't we have a report from the "NYT" or someone like that about how well Castro was doing and that he was enjoying watching the Pan Am Games? Well, it appears Mr. Couch Potato couldn't get off the couch to address the people of Cuba today. This is huge.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/07/25/castro.cuba.reut/
"I'm a man of means by no means, King of the Road" 'King of the Road'
Michael Vick
July 26, 2007 - 15:21 ET by kwHave you noticed the following on the coverage of Michael Vick:
1. Plenty of Richmond references (implies white and south)
2. Jury pool will be comprised of rural, not urban (implies white)
3. No mention of Virginia Tech (implies people of white conservative Virginia will not support Vick)
4. Groups protesting Vick not labeled properly as the liberal whack jobs they are (ignores liberals protesting a sports hero of a mostly liberal group)
5. MSM trying its best to spin the white v. black issue
6. Reference to judge nominated by George W. Bush in 2002 (unlike Hazelton PA judge Clinton reference omitted in illegal immigrant lawsuit)
Sad state of affairs for a man who has all the opportunity in the world and the MSM spinning it like it will be the white man putting him in jail.
I think you're reading too
July 26, 2007 - 15:38 ET by blogonatorI think you're reading too much in to it. Black or white, Vick's animal cruelty is a non-partisan, non-racial issue. The media doesn't exactly need to spin it, and I don't think they have. For a guy who "allegedly" participated in these activities and has yet to be judged guilty, almost every reporter and pundit I've seen has expressed disgust over the matter. I think the coverage is more likely to turn the public against him than to make people feel like he's being persecuted by the man.
I agree. People are horrified
July 26, 2007 - 15:58 ET by sarcasmoI agree. My friends are horrified by this regardless of race, and those who knew how athletically-gifted the man is are mystified as to why he'd do this and ruin his life. At this point, he's inside a courthouse with an angry crowd that was repeatedly chanting the s-word over MSNBC a bit earlier today (good thing so many tax dollars go to that wonderful and protective FCC -- I think it was just as kids were gettin' home from school!) I personally prefer idiot-cruelty over animal cruelty. For example, someday I'd love to go witness (from about 3 stories up) morons getting gored at "The Running of the Bulls" in Pamplona, Spain, but I don't really want to go to the bullfight afterwards.
JMR
Ditto on the bull running!
July 26, 2007 - 16:08 ET by blogonatorDitto on the bull running! I'd be one of the people on the other side of the fence watching those fools running for their lives - no real interest in seeing bulls get killed. The morons, after all, chose to be in front of the horns.
I agree with your sentiment,
July 26, 2007 - 19:46 ET by sarcasmoI agree with your sentiment, but I think you might misunderstand mine a bit. You see, I don't think I'd trust ANY Spaniard's fence while those very-annoyed bulls are on the loose! And I meant at least three flights up from the morons -- the goal is that this be a visual/food/drinking event, not a physical event of any sort.
JMR
Fighting dogs
July 26, 2007 - 16:05 ET by dagdaI know that this is going to bother some of you, but pit bulls were breed to fight in pits. Whether it was bears, bulls or other dogs, that is what they are breed for. It is in the nature of the dog. People would be distraught if you refused to take a springer spaniel to the lake to let it run in the water, or refuse to let the retriever retrieve. Yet, they get all wobble-kneed at the idea of a pit bull doing what it was breed to do.
Personally, I do not think it should be against the law. If cage fighting is legal, pit bull fighting should be legal.
Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower
I disagree. I've known
July 26, 2007 - 16:13 ET by blogonatorI disagree. I've known some pit owners and they're like any other dog if raised humanely. The crime is in bringing out the aggression in the dog, matching it up against smaller dogs to train it, and cruelly killing the dogs who aren't successful fighters.
Spot on Blogonator, I
July 26, 2007 - 16:20 ET by LeonSpot on Blogonator,
I have several friends with pits (one of them has a beautiful blue