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By Matthew Sheffield | June 28, 2012 | 09:09
Deeply divided Supreme Court upholds individual mandate as a tax. What next?
Submitted by John21 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:13am.
Let us all hope so
Submitted by James3 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:43am.
I'm going to jump in here at the top of the comments section to remind everyone that this COULD be the defining issue to get Romney elected and begin the steps to possibly overturn this abortion of a law that nobody even understood before a-hole whipped out his pen and signed it. Polls show 70% of the population is STRONGLY AGAINST this bill and I truly believe this now ignites the base and coupled with all Obama's other controversial stances, pushes many independents and undecideds to vote Republican. Let me play Devil's advocate and say this may be a blessing in disguise.
Submitted by Gothampc on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:06am.
The same Romney that brought forced healthcare to Massachusetts? I'm still not confident that he won't do something similar with healthcare if he is POTUS. He's better than Obama, but I'm not totally convinced.
Submitted by James3 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:02pm.
Let's focus first on Getting this dictator out of office.
Submitted by Rover on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:06am.
Good point. With a GOP majority in both Houses and a Republican in the White House, we can repeal this law.
Then we can float a Constitutional Amendment protecting us from this, to the NEXT time the liberals, progressives and socialists lie/buy their way into office, even the liberals on the SCOTUS not be able to argue that this type of law is constitutional.
Submitted by misterbee241 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:29am.
If this is a tax it can be repealed. Obama promised no tax and now it is so he lied. This might not be so bad after all.
If you're not getting flak, you're not over the target.
Submitted by nanabanana on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:14pm.
I really hope you're right James3, because right now I am sick at heart (and stomach).
Submitted by needle on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:15pm.
Whatever this is, it is far too freighted with legality and legalese, and camouflaged with penumbra of arcane juridical mumblese to qualify as a blessing that I can get excited – in a good way – about.
I hope that is clear enough for you; I am sure it is for the Nine.
- Looking forward to the self-annihilation of the Manipulated Stories Machine.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:40pm.
An email from my representative Scott Garrett-
On June 28, 2012 the United States Supreme Court ruled to uphold President Obama’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) in a 5-4 decision. I am deeply disappointed by the failure of the Supreme Court to protect the American people from an unprecedented assault on individual liberty.
The individual mandate, the foundation of the PPACA, further extends the heavy-hand of the federal government into the lives of every American by forcing individuals to purchase health insurance regardless of whether they want it or not. This Supreme Court decision will fundamentally alter the role of the federal government in our lives.
The PPACA has also passed along billions of dollars in costs to taxpayers during one of the most serious economic downturns in American history. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) recently projected that government spending on health care will reach $1.8 trillion while premiums will continue to rise by thousands of dollars per family in the next decade. Clearly the PPACA has not lived up to its expectations.
With our national debt ballooning to over $15 trillion, now is not the time for the federal government to increase spending on government programs we cannot afford. This unprecedented expansion of federal spending threatens our long-term economic vitality and the prosperity of future generations. Our children and grandchildren deserve to live in an America free from the strangling burden of inherited debt.
The PPACA has also suffocated small businesses with increased burdens and compliance costs. This has not helped a struggling economy where the unemployment rate has sadly been above 8 percent for 40 consecutive months. While we continue to remain in the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression, Washington should work to eliminate the job-destroying taxes found in this legislation to give small businesses the confidence they need to create jobs.
The side-effects of the PPACA have been disastrous. Millions of lower-income families and seniors now have less choice when selecting a healthcare provider. Religious organizations have even been forced to provide services that run contrary to their fundamental religious beliefs. This is not the America our Founders envisioned.
Rather than come to the defense of our liberty, the Supreme Court has continued the century-long tendency of the judicial branch of stripping government of all limits to its power. It is now up to Congress to fully repeal and replace this legislation with market-based reforms that bring down the cost of health care for families and small businesses without sacrificing American jobs and our overall economic prosperity.
Submitted by 4for4 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:54pm.
Which double dipping, multiple account owning, mysteriously missing self proclaimed something or other... is missing? And clearly evident in just this very post (among others like Minky and Ironhead4099) that one very obvious prominent Newsbusterer is posting under multiple users apparently just to generate more content for this site........
You've been served.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:33pm.
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:38pm.
4 for4 is the troll here .
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 8:00pm.
Thanks for the heads up. I have been away for almost 2 years. This nonsense today got me back in the fray.
Submitted by johnsonl on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:15am.
This is just part of the prople's complete rejection of you, your administration and everything you stand for. We are going to hold your AG in contempt of Congress later today. You have utterly failed the people of the United States of America.
Submitted by johnsonl on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:16am.
This is just part of the people's complete rejection of you, your administration and everything you stand for. We are going to hold your AG in contempt of Congress later today. You have utterly failed the people of the United States of America.
Submitted by ohio granny on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:53am.
The individual mandate has been upheld because it will become a TAX. That is the ruling. The medicaid expansion has been struck down. From what I am hearing that is the only thing about the whole bill that was ruled unconstitutional.
Submitted by Sude23 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:58am.
A sad day for us all :( the people posting on the yahoo article do not fully understand what this ruling means or the fact of what this law is. Freedom seemed to have lost today.
Submitted by Dragoon on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:13am.
You can't expect much serious discussion/debate on Yahoo. The comments section seems to be filled with trolls that delight in cursing out any opposing viewpoint.
As for this ruling, I'm definitely not thrilled. This compounds my worries about getting a job because of these added costs that come with hiring new people. And even if I do get a job, I have no idea if healthcare will be one of the benefits provided with it.
I think Romney's campaign needs to play Obama's comments from 2009 claiming that the mandate was not a tax. Not only that, Obama "promised" not to raise taxes on the middle class. BS.
Submitted by Sude23 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:20am.
double post sorry
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:55am.
I'm in shock, but the Individual Mandate was re-defined as a "tax" and upheld, as was the entire law. Kennedy dissented -- he wanted the mandate and entire law scrapped! It was Robert's vote that upheld the law.
However, it is still a confusing mess because they did not agree to the Medicaid expansion and the Feds withholding funds from the states if they didn't take more Medicaid patients on their roster -- and no "disciplinary" action seems written in (as people quickly read and try to decipher this thing), so although it is not entirely like they made a pathway for states to "opt out" of this law, they kinda did, in some ways...I think.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
Submitted by Immortal Fish on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:33am.
Thanks to these last two decisions, Chief Justice Roberts just became the most hated man in America. The liberals will never like the man. And now the conservatives will join them.
We also get to use Obeyme's favorite campaign talking point -- We now get to blame Bush.
Submitted by QueenMum on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:56am.
Has NB been hacked? Or am I missing the "nuance"?
“If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed." - Mark Twain
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:56am.
Makes no sense. "ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 4: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken."
I told people the case shouldn't have been argued on 10th Amendment grounds.
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:58am.
Submitted by LinTaylor on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:00am.
"It's unconstitutional, but we'll allow it anyway."
What a joke.
Submitted by gopcongress on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:01am.
The country is over. This is the most significant ruling that will affect how the US does business in the future. It is NOT just about the individual mandate, but about the ability for Congress to essentially tax anyone for anything without Constitutional remedy.
This ruling will essentially become the end for private health care as we know it, and unless Congress remains conservative in perpetuity, there is no stopping Congress from mandating ANY tax from ANY citizen for ANY purpose without limits.
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Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:05am.
It's call Fascism. Nothing new.
RBFSOB is in charge and plans on staying there. Better get ready.
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:21am.
The stock market certainly doesn't like the news.
Maybe we could get a 'gun tax' passed to relieve the burden on our police officers. Every adult over 18 who is mentally stable would pay the tax and be required to own, and carry, a handgun. It's for the children.
Submitted by miss911ninja on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:04pm.
Hahaha! I needed a good laugh today. But I'm not as depressed as when I first heard the news, because I agree with James3's comment at the top of the thread. He said the ruling could be a blessing in disguise, and I agree.
Just think of that somewhat confrontational interview with BHO when George Stephanopolous pulled out a dictionary and read the definition of "tax," arguing that the mandate fit the definition. And BHO adamantly insisted that it was NOT.
Perfect footage for a Romney campaign ad, now that the SCOTUS says it IS!
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:11pm.
...so it comes to slick Willie's argument of 'it depends upon what the meaning of is is, or in this case is not is not!
Is it a tax tax or not a tax tax?
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Submitted by miss911ninja on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:17pm.
It depends on the meaning of what not is, and it is what it is or it's not!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:01am.
... I guess I'll be having TWO drinks for you today, unless this latest edict from the King's Royal Court drives you to drink again!
When they say on the news today, "Experts were surprised and shocked by today's ruling," they sure as Shiite ain't talking about you and me, brudda.
I had a real sneaky feelinh that Roberts was going to fold like a cheap suitcase after what he did on the AZ ruling. I still think that Obama's private espionage operatives have something on the boy, and aren't afraid to use it.
Either that, or he's been in DC so long that he's catching a case of Stupid like the rest of them.
So now it's time to clean my collection of "toys." Won't be long now before the Court will go along with the imposition of marshal law when Dear Leader decides that Romney is winning, and canceling the election is His only way of staying in the King's Palace.
Think I'm nuts? How many did you get correct out of the last two "rulings?"
It's early. Maybe a mojito or a Cafe Patron?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:19am.
I just knew it was going to be like this too, and I was hoping against hope that it wouldn't.
Roberts must have been threatened, and you know Kagan and Sototmayer was in the tank. We already know Ginsburg is against the Constitution, and Kennedy is too since he's referred to international law more than once.
I don't see this country surviving. Anyone still think November is where we'll fix things? Um, you can't fix stupid.
We are truly f*cked.
Now there's nothing and I mean NOTHING to look forward to. Life now has no meaning.
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:21am.
Kennedy dissented -- in a big way. He not only wanted the mandate nuked but the entire law. Roberts was the swing vote.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:30am.
Doesn't change the fact that he's made some oddball decisions before, but if he decided the right way, that's fine.
Doesn't change Roberts, and someone had to have gotten to that guy. Whatever, he's a coward.
And what the hell is this crap calling it a tax even though they said over and over that it's not a tax?? That's judicial activism right there!
Well, I don't care, I'm not paying one red cent for this tax.
Anyone still thinking November is the time to make the change on this, FORGET IT, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! IT WON'T EVEN BE ALLOWED! If you think it'll be allowed, what the hell do you think happened today against all common and logical sense??
This right now, this day, is proof positive that we will not have elections. It's absolute utter bullshit to think we will, after what we are seeing this morning. So STOP FOOLING YOURSELVES!
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:53am.
I started to dislike Roberts on the decision that allowed colleges to prevent Christian clubs to set standards for members. The issue in that case was it created a double standard for Christian clubs versus other clubs. Then, I thought a lot of his reasoning in the Citizens United case was just lousy , although I know a lot of conservatives here support that decision ultimately.
I can see Roberts voting that restrictions on marriage are Unconstitutional, in another 5-4 vote.
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:05am.
Okay, I'm going to say it. From the get-go, I felt like Roberts was quirky. I think he is very unpredictable, and I have tried to figure him out...not very successfully.
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:19am.
I'm truly not saying this because of how it turned out...but I was less concerned about Kennedy than Roberts. I'm not going to go onto why, but there are several reasons I thought he might go with the libs. And still, I can't believe he went for the tax thing to make this fly.
I'll refrain from disparging the Court, but this is so sad. Bit by bit, we really are losing America.
P.S. If this posts twice, sorry. I'm having a terrible time getting anything to go through.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:25am.
Prior to this, I would say that we were losing the country bit by bit. This was a giant step in the European direct however. The America of just 50 years ago is gone forever. That's not hyperbole, its a fact. In many aspects, we have passed the point of no return and we are headed into a strange new world where the United States is just another two bit money printing country. Our forefathers would be ashamed. Tyranny and forced taxation is why they risked their lives to start (what was) the United States.
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:34am.
I agree. "Drastically" losing America is now more accurate.
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:02am.
I was of the mind that America was lost with this case being a chance to make a stake that our freedoms can not be denied - if followed up in November it could have been a turning point. The US as a free nation will survive for some time to come but we just refused the stay of execution that could have saved us long term.
The Constitution was just an historic document going into today - now it is nothing but an aged sign of what could have been.
Our children will be cursed to live in interesting times as the remnants of American influence continues to erode.
Next stop - continued dismantling and restrictions of the military!
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:28am.
Not all that long ago I would have read your post and dismissed it to overreaction. But sadly that is no longer the case. It is factual and real.
I am amazed how many people walk the streets of this country completely oblivious to where this country was in the past, where it is today, and where it will be tomorrow. When they wake up to these realities, they will be wishing for the "good 'ol days" and be saddened by the fact that they are gone forever.
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:05pm.
I wouldn't have made that post. A couple of months ago I took the time to do some really unofficial statistical research on population movement, growth pattern and economic expenditures - as best I could given Internet information. My amateur findings were that we have about 7-9 decades left in this nation until our economic status devolves to the point that it would take dictator like actions to maintain an actual 'United' States.
Statistically, the closer to the origin an assumption is made the greater the effect of the assumption and the greater potential for error. One assumption I made was that the mandate would be unconstitutional but that large portions of the healthcare bill would make it through in one form or another over the following decade resulting in healthcare being a niche market in 40 years.
I'm not going to redo the exercise but I'm guessing we just shaved about 20 years off.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:21pm.
Although I do not have the statistical data to attempt to pinpoint a time frame, I most certainly agree with the outcome.
I can easily see a State getting pushed to the limit and taking a stand against the Federal Government. The final catalyst may be financial, or perhaps legal.
States are becoming financially insolvent under the heavy hand of Washington and may find no option other than disregard the direction coming from Washington. States may be under siege by violence resulting from illegal immigration whose hands are tied by Federal legislation and are unable to react without disregarding federal legislation. Who ever thought the mighty Soviet Union would be shattered into tiny pieces virtually overnight? People would be foolish to think a similar outcome is impossible here.
It's a very real and scary scenario. But more than scary, I find it sad. This country was the great experiment and the envy of the entire planet. We had victory in grasp and we blew it.
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:28pm.
one of the battles I see coming is when states try to buy foreign goods when the Fed has limited purchases of the nations to approved companies/nations. No insight needed here as this argument has occurred before.
Submitted by redfish on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:25am.
I started to dislike Roberts before the AZ ruling. It would be one thing if he were a logically consistent liberal judge. Instead he seems to be really swayed by political arguments over legal merit.
Submitted by LionKing on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:35am.
Regarding AZ, he basically helped decide that AZ cannot enforce immigration.
Now, the FEDs are refusing to help out AZ because of the "show me your papers" was allowed.
The end result, thanks to Roberts, is now NO ONE is enforcing immigration in AZ.
No for the classic: it is unconstitutional with regards to the commerce clause, but it is okay as a tax.
[Stock market tanked 1% immediately after the failed decision.]
My prediction, look for more and more health insurance providers to fold up shop.
If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:44am.
Of course more and more insurance companies will choose to cease operations in this environment. Obama knows that. Where will people in those states go for insurance? That's right! The federal government. Its all part of the liberal plan to make everyone part of the nanny state. Remember when Obama said he would tax coal power out of existence? This seems to come from the same playbook.
As I think about the future of this country, I am having a feeling in my gut that I have never had before and am having a hard time describing it. One thing is for sure - I don't like it.
Submitted by Sude23 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:29am.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:02am.
Just like rural electrification tax, you pay it and you see NO BENEFIT.
Yea a TAX we SHALL pay with the help of 60,000 additional IRS agents.
Just like being taxed for the heating fuel, for that big tub of water we FROGS are siting in.
Yea I can blame this on BUUUUUSSSHHHHHHHHH.
You Didn't Build That.
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:02am.
This illustrates why it is vitally important that real conservatives are voted in to all federal offices in the upcoming elections in November. Otherwise, we are screwed.
Submitted by misterbee241 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:45am.
any real conservatives any more? I cant think of more than a couple.
Submitted by 3_4wanda on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:02am.
This court has just turned the American people over to a d i c t a t o r.
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:03am.
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:06am.
Justice Roberts is a Socialist too.
More cute litigation. "Let's get Americans fired up. Tell them it's a tax when the President said it's not a tax. Not a thing they can do about it"
Submitted by WhoIsJohnGalt on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:26am.
Do you REALLY think that John Roberts is a socialist? When that word is thrown around at every disagreement, it weakens the argument when that word is appropriate.
Perhaps it's possible that John Roberts actually took the Constitution and applied it as appropriate in this case?
Submitted by Free Stinker on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:33am.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 ///
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:41am.
Not just no, but HELL NO.
There are so many ways this is wrong, and people aren't even talking about all the little things in this piece of trash that's bad, like being able to take money from your bank accounts whenever they want to, or if they choose to, they will penalize you by taking money from your bank accounts, in short, they have access to your own money.
That's one of the biggest ones.
I'm taking my money out of my account and leaving a bare minimum in there, as much as I can afford to do with out.
But for Roberts to declare this a tax, this is just absolulely nuts, it wasn't a tax in the first place, it's a mandate, forcing people to buy something.
This is the most lamebrained thing I can think of, and you know something, I just realized something. Remember how Roberts supposedly did the oath to office with Obeyme more than once? People should be looking at that real closely now.
Submitted by dyardley on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:58am.
I tend to agree with you on this. I'm a 'glass half full' type of gal. I've started reading the actual opinion and believe Roberts did apply the Constitution. The mandate is UNCONSTITUTIONAL under the COMMERCE clause. Characterizing it as a TAX will be a problem for Obama based on all his assurances(in writing and on tape) to the American people that he would not raise taxes on the lower and middle class, sort of a 'read my lips' moment. I think we need to not over react to this in spite of our disappointment. There are other legal ways to get rid of this which makes it even more important that we throw the Dems out of the House, Senate and Oval Office. I'm just bummed because the Dems will spin this as if they got just what they wanted. BTW Roberts had a very interesting comment on whether SCOTUS was responsible for whether the mandate was 'fair' or 'smart'. I think the decision will have a few surprises in it.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:23am.
I hear what you are saying. But assuming you are right, why would Roberts go through all those gyrations to give us a "read my lips moment" when he could just as easily knocked down this debacle as being a violation of the commerce clause? (which, incidentally, he mind numbingly agreed was unconstitutional).
In short, while I understand your point, you are giving Roberts way too much credit. He let the liberals and the threats from Obama get to him. End of story in my opinion.
Submitted by dyardley on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:44am.
I can't answer why Roberts approached this as he did and like you, I am frustrated and angry The point I was trying to make was, lets not over-react yet because the mandate is unconstitutional under the Commerce clause.. I read this to mean that the administration (using the term loosely) cannot force an American citizen to purchase health care. That is a win under the first amendment and a win for the American people. Since I'm a Catholic it means a great deal to me. However, since the administration can only now apply this as a 'TAX' which is very unpopular with most everyone they now have to suck it up and explain that to their base. BTW the Opinion is 193 pages long...so it's too soon to fully understand in my opinion.
Regardless, we have to get them out of OUR Government!!!!
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:06am.
The SCOTUS has killed it.
John Roberts should be hung as a traitor.
Vote for the American in November
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:06pm.
Yeah, and so should Boy Baraka - but right now, they're 'spikin' the football'...........and that leathery ol' rattlesnake Ms. Botox is crowin' like a godda*m rooster.
I heard my father roll over and vomit in his grave.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:34pm.
I'm listening to the congressional feed of the debate of whether or not to vote on Holder. Every liberal so far has either said 'This program started under Bush' or 'This is politically motivated to undermine Obama' or 'Holder is a patriot' (nauseating). What the hell does that have to do with the issue??? Not one has given a valid reason why Holder has not provided the requested documents.
If Holder walks, my head might quite literally explode.
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:10pm.
(With)Holder is as traitorous, treacherous, and seditious as Boy Baraka (and the rest of the REGIME, along with their puppet-masters). And why, after today's ruling, do I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach about HIS outcome??? After all, the R's are basically self-emasculated eunichs, and haven't shown 3 ounces of guts, as far as I can tell.
My head exploded long ago, but I've managed to keep it glued back together - which has become harder and harder to do, especially in the past 3+ years. EVERY DAY, when I read the news, I am astonished and dumbfounded (and I'm not a dumb guy!!!) by what goes on, and what is accepted, and what 'change' really has become. '1984' has been floating around for some time, but I think it has finally coagulated and become 'reality' anymore.
Submitted by nanabanana on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:28pm.
sick feeling, and I sure don't like it! Sick at heart, and sick to my stomach!
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:26pm.
In the Holder debate, a liberal is arguing that they should vote no to the contempt charge because "it has never been done before". Hmmmm.... maybe that's why they should do it.
Another liberal said that they should be spending their attention on creating jobs instead of holding a cabinet member in contempt. That's rich coming from the party that spent 2 years of their majority ramming Obamacare down our throats while unemployment skyrocketed.
Wait a second - Pelosi is speaking. I need to go put a paper bag over my television.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:33pm.
Nancy Pelosi is chastising the Republican Congress for rushing legislation through congress without time to reflect.
Submitted by LionKing on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:09pm.
I heard 100 DEMONcrats walked out too. Really professional.
They really do not care about anything accept for their agenda.
Having said that, I applaud the 17 Democrats that stood up to Der Fuhrer and Holder and did the right thing.
Holder withholding was a SLAP in the face to EVERY member of Congress -- even Pelosi (too stupid to realize it).
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:37pm.
If the House backs down from this vote it very well may be from having their feet pulled out from under them by the SCOTUS.
At best this is an attempt to show that Holder is a man not be trusted by finding him in contempt because no real penalties can be levied with current construct of DC. So why risk facing up to an administration that has just been told that they can 'tax' (punish) any citizen that does not do what they want.
I half expect them to very apologetically hold Holder in contempt and then try to sweep everything under the proverbial carpet. To try to save face and then firmly place their tail between their legs in lieu of an administration that has more power than any in history - including FDR. How they chose to use that power we can only wait and see.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:06am.
I'm going to do something really bad later.
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:55am.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:06am.
Because death panels are coming. Will they apologize to Sarah Palin?
Submitted by Radar_One on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:08am.
SCOTUS just screwed the American people...how's it feel?
Submitted by MichaelPaladin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:12am.
So they just tossed 200+ years of contract law out the window? I guess being forced into a contract is now legal?
Something doesn't smell right here.
Submitted by Radar_One on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:16am.
Yep, Contracts...we don't need no stinkin contracts. Its a tax silly.
BUT in 09 POTUS himself said it wasn't, until it was convenient for HIM.
Submitted by Free Stinker on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:14am.
. . . and now its over.
One day I will tell my grandchildren what it was like in America when people were Free. Just like Reagan warned.
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:17am.
Obama will get re-elected... mostly because of this turn of events. (He's currently leading in the polls in the swing states.)
I've called it in January.
My friends. I will say it again... YOU CAN NO LONGER TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED. You are about to lose your country. I've lost mine a long time ago, so I speak from experience.
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
Submitted by Mary Louise Turner on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:22am.
I just hope that you're wrong and that the American people really aren't that stupid...If Ears is indeed re-elected, then the American sheeple are even worse than I feared.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:28am.
Just think of all the things this president has done during his first term when he needed to worry about being reelected. A second term?!? Thinking about what he is capable of when he does not need to worry about being reelected makes me sick to my stomach. Literally.
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:38am.
...remember -- now that the precedent has been established, even if Romney wins and repeals obamacare, what's to stop the next democrat elected to office from instituting the same abysmal law again?
Anyway, I've been dissappointed too often just this year alone to take any of the conservative pundits' assurances at face value, even though I agree with the opinions, and wish to God that some of these bold predictions would actually pan out.
As I keep saying, you can't afford to take anything for granted anymore.
Submitted by LionKing on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:44am.
I can guarantee one thing for sure.. secession talk in Texas will be on the rise.
The Republic of Texas can secede from the Union which they claim was part of the agreement
when they joined -- that is, they had the right to secede.
I can only pray that the electorate wake up.
btw -- how does this tax work for the 50+% than do not pay taxes? If the poor refuse to get health insurance, how and what are they going to tax?
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:10am.
btw -- how does this tax work for the 50+% than do not pay taxes? If the poor refuse to get health insurance, how and what are they going to tax?
Here's how - They still don't pay taxes yet continue to reap the benefits - and continue to vote Democratic.
The Federal Government is the country's biggest drug dealer and more than half the population are addicts.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:18am.
If Roberts says the law is unconstitutional according to the commerce clause but constitutional as a tax, how can he let it stand? By his own admission, it still unconstitutional in at least one aspect. Just because he believes congress can tax us for anything, how does that trump the unconstitutionality of the commerce clause?
Submitted by adamsmith on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:19am.
The answer is do what the Russian people did under Communism: A BLACK MARKET. Use cash only, do business with likeminded business people and avoid paying all your taxes as much as humanly possible. They cannot function without money, and they really can't put 50 million people in jail. Imagine what the government does next April 15 when the total income tax collected is $43.90...Screw the Federal Government and John Roberts....#uc& you too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:41am.
Their next objective is to ban cash. They're already trying it in the scandinavian countries (either sweden or norway - not sure which.
The reason: Exactly to stop what you are suggesting. The pervasive black market.
Submitted by Mary Louise Turner on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:20am.
Two observations on this dark day:
A. We now know that Chief Justice John Roberts, between this horrible decision and the Arizona immigration ruling, is now another Justice David Souter, a RINO who drinks too much liberal Kool-Aid.
B. Listening to the Democrats and, of course, their MBM toadies rubbing it in our face is utterly disgusting.
But there is hope! It's called election day!
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:23am.
in some very vile terms.
Keep it up lefties, the angrier we become the better. It'll get more people to the booth in November.
Submitted by Free Stinker on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:24am.
Oddly, this just might turn the election against the dems. A coworker told me just this week that he always liked the democrat party but ObamAA+Care made him sick of them.
Submitted by Big TJW on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:23am.
Now just by my mere existence, I can be forced to pay a tax for doing absolutely nothing...and that tax has even been deemed constitutional...R.I.P. U.S. Constitution.
Submitted by oldfart on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:23am.
What will happen:
In the name of the commerce clause the Imperial Presidency will be able to do the following:
1. Determine where you live.
2. What kind of house you live in.
3. What kind of car you are permitted to drive.
4. How much gas you can purchase (rationing – and not just gas)
5. How much electricity you can use per month.
6. Limit how much money you spend per month.
7. Demand that you spend a minimum of $XX.XX every month to stimulate the economy.
8. Where you send your kids to school – not permitting private or home schooling.
9. What type of work you can do.
10. Where you can work.
11. How you can get to work.
12. Your compensation.
13. When you can retire.
14. Make you join a union.
15. Where you can vacation and if you are allowed a vacation.
16. Require internal travel permits.
17. What kind of clothing you can wear.
18. And on and on.
Thank you Justice Roberts for creating a Presidency that can rule by Executive Order – they don't need Congress any more. Can't you see the downstream consequences of this ruling?
You think it can't happen? HA We got Obozo care didn't we!!!!!
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:26am.
Submitted by oldfart on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:28am.
spot on my friend.
Submitted by Cogito on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:26am.
Can ya smell it? That's right... A revolution is a cook'n.
Submitted by richflanj on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:27am.
The Constitution is now worth less than a roll of used toilet paper, and smells just as bad.
Submitted by xraynova on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:29am.
My copy of the Constitution just committed Spontaneous Combustion.
I was able to douse the flames with a bottle of Kool Aid, pre-emptively
mailed to me by SCOTUS.
I would buy another copy, but my local fire department is unionized, and
therefore doesn't roll on Constitution fires.
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:29am.
This has got to stop. We have to get Romney in...I don't even want to think about what will happen if we don't.
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:46am.
...if by some devine intervention Romney does get in, he'll turn on you too. I don't trust him since Romney care, and I suppose I never will.
He appeared on Letterman for cryin' out loud. Anything's possible.
This may become my new tag line:
"TAKE NOTHING FOR GRANTED"
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:12am.
On a scale of 1-10, my confidence level in Romney is a 1. Since my confidence level in Obama is a 0, I guess I will be voting for Romney. I am not counting on him to overturn a thing or to do anything that resembles putting this country back on track. Either way, this country has driven off the cliff and watching the ground coming up fast.
Submitted by dlwoltmann on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:29am.
To all who are celebrating Allowing the "mandate" to be levied as taxes instead, here is where you can find a list of the taxes and removal of deductions that you are going to be facing:
If you can't remember these taxes being talked about before the vote was held, don't worry, we were able to read them after the bill was passed!!!
God Bless all of you fools who put Obama in office, you have just sealed our nation's doom.
Submitted by Conservator on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:31am.
G.H. Bush gave America David Souter, who most often sided with the liberal Justices.
G.W. Bush gave us Chief Justice Roberts who has proven he's not on the conservative side among the Justices. As I recall, the passage of the PPACA was one of the major events that help create the Tea Party movement. This opinion is likely to wake the sleeping giant once again.
Also, I have read many pundits ridicule Chief Justice Roberts and how inappropriate a 5-4 decision would be on such a major piece of legislation. Now, those same pundits are hailing Roberts for joining forces with the liberal Justices and a 5-4 decision - the hypocrisy of politics. The court’s 5-4 decision effectively accepts liberal claims that the federal government has the legal authority to tax Americans to buy goods and services, including health insurance.
IMO, that's not good for Obama and affords Romney and the GOP to campaign that the only way to end Obamacare and its huge tax increase is via a Republican president and Republicans controlling the House & Senate.
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:13pm.
that Baracka had to run on, the "evil" Supremes. Now he's left with the economy, and the repeal of DADT, and his endorsement of gay marriage.
The R's need to start ginning up some ads, today.
And, when the dust settles and people find out how much this is going to cost them, the 70% disapproval of this will go up.
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:45pm.
The ol' Killa woke up today to the sound of my phone texting off the wall - remember, I'm 6 hours away from the East Coast.
I'm NOT in a good mood at all, which is not my normal attitude. And I can't hold my breath for the R's to put away the toy hammer and get out the big Sluggo to take out this worthless, useless, treacherous piece of Kenyan Kow Krap either!!!
And, whether we like it or not, the majority of people are either stupid, ignorant, or apathetic about much more than their immediate surroundings, and they have become accustomed to getting nickled and dimed and nicked and pecked and extorted and ripped off by the 'powers that be', in the name of whatever the hell it is.
And this 'bill' wasn't about health anyway - which seems to be lost in the whole conversation. The only effect it will have on 'health' will be deleterious and negative - that's a guarantee!!
The Titanic just found another iceberg and moved full speed ahead.....................
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:21pm.
Then we backed the boat up and hit it several more times, as someone said the other day.
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:30am.
SCOTUS has upheld the expansion of Federal power over the rights of individuals.
The government can seize your private property under eminent domain and give it to someone else.
Now, the government can tax you for not purchasing a product.
This is a tragic day for the people of the United States.
Submitted by LionKing on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:51am.
Someone will find a loop-hole and offer a plan that keeps you from being taxed, but offers no real coverage.
How do you tax those that pay no taxes?
Submitted by ThatDude on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:23pm.
You neglect that Obamacare also designates everything that the most basic insurance plan must offer (a long list). I highly doubt a loophole could be exploited in that fashion.
Submitted by Radar_One on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:43am.
OUT of curiosity the 2nd ammendment gives me the right to keep and bear arms. With the logic of Chief Justice Roberts can I put forth a case to SCOTUS using the constitutionality of 2nd ammendment for the gov't to levy a tax to those opposed to the 2nd so I can go but a Kimber?
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:18am.
Oh yea and how much is this..... let me live, with a gun .... tax... going to be?
100%... my friend....100%
Submitted by Radar_One on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:26am.
Submitted by AR72 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:46am.
Liberty was put on life support by the SCOTUS today. If BO wins in November, the plug will be pulled and Liberty will be declared officially dead.
Submitted by Suilbup on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:50am.
Govt: Gimme $50.
Govt: Shut up - it's a tax.
You: A tax on what?
Govt: A tax on your decision NOT to buy a Chevy Volt, ok Mr. Wiseguy Teabagger. You don't think THAT affects interstate commerce? Now pay up!!!
Submitted by LionKing on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:52am.
If you do not buy an electric car or at least a hybrid, we are going to tax you.
Justice Roberts -- EPIC FAIL!!!
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:15pm.
It's called the subsidy they give to Dolt buyers.
Submitted by LionKing on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:51pm.
The Black Robe tax:
Anyone that wears a Black Robe as part of their job is required to pay an additional 50% income tax.
Furthermore, any judge that refuses to wear a black robe must pay an additional 50% income tax.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:32pm.
Why be so general? If the govt has such broad powers of taxation, then assess the tax to anyone who wears a black robe and is name Roberts and sits on the SCOTUS.
Submitted by amlaml on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:52am.
Considering the argument Verrilli made in front of the Supreme Court on the issue of whether paying a fine due to violation of the mandate was a tax or a penalty
Anyway, the media will be unbearable to watch today as they celebrate this ruling and suddenly change their minds on what they think of the Supreme Court, and John Roberts in particular.
Submitted by nanabanana on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:38pm.
today. I'm already sick to my stomach, I don't want to hurl all over my keyboard. Argh!!!
Submitted by Liberallies on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:54am.
Well..Obama did promise to fundamentally change America. The Supreme Court just helped him do that.
I am honestly in complete shock over this ruling. May God Help This Nation Find Its Right Path Again.
The government now has the power to tax us all for non-activity. So, if the government deems it mandatory that we should all eat our vegetables to keep healthcare cost down, why can't it pass a tax for those who don't eat their vegetables?
We are royally screwed. Let the Left-wing celebrate the death of America, that is what they know how to do best. Many a Left winger will be the one paying this tax since most of them are the poor saps that can't afford to pay healthcare insurance.
In the mean time, we need, we MUST get a Republican Senate and Congress with high enough majorities to get Obamacare repealed. And I hope that if Mitt Romney gets elected, the second he steps into the White House, he passes an Executive Order stopping Obamacare.
Let's remember, the Supreme Court pass the Dredd Scott decision. These individuals in black robes are not gods. In this instance, along with their abortion ruling and other rulings, I could careless what they say.
it is time for civil disobidience. Unjust laws, immoral laws are not laws to be followed.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:17am.
MSNBC just reported that Obama has used his new powers of taxation to propose a tax on all conservative bloggers. Pay up.
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:01am.
We have officially lost the Republic today. It was unofficially gone awhile ago, but this is the official end to it.
Between the AZ decision and this, I have lost any respect that I had for Roberts.
Now apparently the Gov't. can "tax" you for not doing something. There is now no limit, according to the SCOTUS, on what you can be required to do, buy or have or not have.
Using the same logic as this it is perfectly fine to impose an income tax on people who have no income. Either they get one or they have to pay the tax.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic
- Roberts killed it!
Submitted by miss911ninja on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:00pm.
Now that it's okay to impose a tax in this manner, I see it evolving into a tax on anyone who does not buy a hybrid or electric car! They now have the ultimate tool for manipulation and coercion.
And by the way, I felt that we lost the Republic when I learned that Eric Holder would not prosecute the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation. How ironic that he's been found in contempt of Congress on THIS very day!
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:03am.
And I'll give you a hint - it ain't through the ballot box.
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:06pm.
...and I find myself tempted to wish for it. Heaven help me.
Submitted by Jman449 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:06am.
Roberts' health care will continue to be the very best available for both him and his family for the rest of their lives. As for the rest of us, well......not so much. But, at least we will now be taxed a lot more for it! Thank you Justice Roberts!
The end is here. Sorry, founding fathers. To paraphrase the line from the movie "Casino", "We were given paradise on earth....And we f*ucked it all up."
Submitted by stratosaurus on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:08am.
This lends a whole new dimension to the phrase, "This SUCKS!"
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:35am.
I didn't think it was possible, but it sucks and blows at the same time - Bart Simpson
Submitted by tcm14 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:15am.
When you are sitting there someday being denied care by a committee, or waiting 18 months for critical surgery, just remember this day and who is responsible: Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and JOHN ROBERTS.
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:18am.
John Roberts is an f'ing traitor to America.
Submitted by nanabanana on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:42pm.
the word that came to me this morning when I saw the news!!!
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:22am.
This is now the third most important election in the history of the country in my opinion. And it is dependant upon a moderate to do what a supposed conservative on the SCOTUS wouldn't.
#1 - The election of 1796 that proved a peaceful transfer of power was possible
#2 - The election of 1860 that decided whether States had the right to exit the Republic or not
#3 - The election of 2012 that will decide whether we stay a Republic or transform to Socialism
I have MUCH less optimism about the country regardless of who wins the Presidency in November. The progressives who want to create a supreme and unchallenged national government have been handed a HUGE victory here by the SCOTUS. It is now IMPOSSIBLE to stop the government from requiring virtually ANYTHING as long as they call it a "tax".
We are at the proverbial fork in the road. Either we take the narrow winding and hilly path back to a Constitutional Republic or the large wide smooth downhill path toward a National Socialist Democracy. If Obama wins the Pesidency in November, I do not see the country reamining intact for more than 10 years after that. I now think that the prediction by a Russian professor last year that the US will break up into 3-4 smaller countries by the mid 2020's is much more likely.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:34am.
I disagree. We were at a pivotal fork in the road yesterday. Today we chose our direction. The die has been cast. Legal precedence has been set and we are now speeding down the path of socialism in a car with no reverse.
Submitted by Suilbup on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:53am.
I agree with Jimbo. YESTERDAY we were citizens of a Republic with some freedom left. TODAY we are subjects of a sovereign whose power over us apparently limitless.
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:35am.
Reading this thread its obvious that everyone thinks of Roberts as a traitor. I do not. I see him as having wagged his finger at US. Basically what he has said....you elect a socialist as President, dont be surprised when socialism breaks out. You elected liberals to congress and Obama now you suffer the consequences.
Someone is telling Americans that we had better consider what is coming in Nov. If Obama is re-elected, this kind of tyranny will continue and dont look for the SC to protect us from ourselves. Roberts is saying that that is not the SCOTUS's job.
Whinny lay abouts who want something for nothing think they have won something big today. Fat cats who are smarter than us and know whats best for us also think they have won something big today. The sad thing is Roberts is right. If we continue to allow the big nanny to control our behavior, our lives, our jobs, birth of our children, endoctrinating our children, then yes, we deserve what is coming.
Tough love says big daddy.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:46am.
So you think Roberts sat back and said to himself "I am going to allow the greatest over reach of US government to set legal precedent for all time to teach the country a lesson on who it elects" instead of doing what was right? That, my friend, is simply ridiculous. And if it were true, Roberts is an even bigger fool than I think him to be.
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:03pm.
That is not what I said. Roberts is being as much of an elitist snob as other liberals. He sees the SC as an independent process and responsibilities from the other 2 branches. Not to overule Executive or Congressional decisions but to clarify. Now it is Congress's turn to come back and fix the damn bill. I have seen two polls already about the ruling. One shows 63% of americans are disappointed in the ruling and 55% are still opposing Obamacare.
Now, we have to elect congressmen that believe in less government, less spending, and pound the ones already in office to hear the voice of the people rather than 535 politicians who are SELF serving . Americans can and have been as irresponsibile in our elections as those who think they deserve something for nothing. Look at the % of voter turnout for major elections. Pathetic. Americans need to wake up and I think this is what Roberts was saying from his lofty seat on HIS high horse. Putting the responsibility of our country's well being back where it belongs and that is voters.
Submitted by dyardley on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:54am.
You put this much better than I did above. There is both a small victory for us and a BIG warning by Justice Roberts. Our job now is to do everything possible to educate the Obamabots. This means support MRC and not being afraid to stand up and shout for fear of being called 'racist." Giving up is not an option.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:06pm.
"Giving up is not an option". Normally I would instantly agree with this statement. But in this situation, it is analogous to a football coach talking to his team in the locker room after a loss and after the game was over and saying "Don't give up! We can still win this!". Legal precedence from the US Supreme Court is a persistent thing. In fact, it lasts forever.
From this day forward, how can we legally argue that it is unconstitutional to tax the people of the United States for not taking action??? For not putting solar panels on your roof? For not buying an electric car? For not volunteering your time? For not weighing under a certain amount? The list is virtually endless. And so is the power of the US government - starting today.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:30pm.
I see this happening the same way the offshore drilling moratorium was done. It was ruled unconstitutional and the Obeyme administration was told to lift the ban(saying something inane like "but they didn't say we COULDN'T do it"), but they did it anyway.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:42pm.
In Hawaii there is an Excise Tax. This state tax is on every sale (wholesale, labor, retail) and at most times it works out to be a tax on a tax.
Every single tax that I know of, is a % of a product, or service, received.
Sure we pay estimated taxes all the time....on alleged future profits.
This is different, We shall be taxed before any sort of service performed or product is used...
Why stop at healthcare... And what's the amount??
Pretax baby... up to 100% due to preexisting conditions in your savings account.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:50pm.
Up to this point, taxes were the result of some action we have taken. We chose to make money - we pay income tax. We chose to buy something, we pay sales tax. We chose to own a home, we pay property tax. The difference here, as I think we are all aware, is that we are being taxed for choosing not to take an action. From what I have heard and read so far, this point was completely dismissed by Roberts.
Submitted by Jman449 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:58am.
We owe Roberts a thank you for single-handedly handing absolute power to the federal government in perpetutity? Wow, he sure showed us.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:24pm.
I think a lot of us were hoping and expecting that the SCOTUS would do a proverbial b*tch-slap against Obeyme and the dems who pushed this trash through. I was hoping for a fight even.
Instead, it makes me think that people will believe that we're to accept this sort of thing without a fight.
But at the same time, I see what you are saying because as pointed out, those liberals and the socialist in hiding till he came out of the closet were elected by the American people, whom I have said before hold the blame for the situation we are in today.
Submitted by tcm14 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:51pm.
Roberts' job when faced with an unconstitutional law is to declare it unconstitutional, not wag his finger. He is clearly not up to the job of Chief Justice.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:21pm.
I see this as legal trickery (now that I've calmed down a bit but I'm still pissed and will explain why) on the part of Roberts.
It's clever, don't get me wrong, but this was definitely the wrong place and time to do it and here's why: You're dealing with a sneaky schmuck like Obeyme. You're dealing with a guy who DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW OR THE CONSTITUTION.
I'll say it again: YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW OR THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!!!!
How is this true? Look what he's doing, he's already crowing victory over this.
He's claiming a victory where there is none.
And he's going to do whatever the hell he wants. He's BEEN doing whatever the hell he wants.
This is why legal trickery, such as what Roberts displayed, has no place in how you deal with a Muslim dictator like Obeyme, you have to beat them back and down and HARD, they have to be defeated utterly.
Not only that, he has to be tossed out of office ASAP, this nonsense about waiting till November is just that, nonsense, because now that he's got the leeway(illegal as it is), who knows what he'll cook up, even to the point of declaring elections null and void before they happen. I can't see him not doing that.
This can't be allowed a chance to happen, not when you deal with these types. How do I know this, history teaches us these things.
And for Roberts to say that it's not the responsibility of the SCOTUS to protect us, that's where he's extremely wrong, what's the point of checks and balances otherwise as framed by the Constitution?
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:32pm.
Jon - two points.
First - forget about what Obama can cook up with his new found taxation powers between now and November. Can you imagine what he will come up with his new powers in another four years AND not have to worry about re-election?? WOW!!!
Secondly, regarding your perspective on the timing of legal trickery on behalf of Roberts, I do not believe legal trickery has a place in the Supreme Court at any time. If Roberts is presented with an unconstitutional law, he is obligated to deem it as such. There is no room for trickery, which is akin to activism.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:45pm.
I shudder to think of another 4 years. And I know he'd cement his dictatorship too.
As for the second point, I agree with what you say about legal trickery not having any place, I just pointed it out that this was the wrong time for it if they had to do it that way. You are absolutely correct that Roberts had a duty to declare it unconstitutional, and any other time, if there were legal trickery of this nature against someone totally different from DuhOne, I could appreciate it because it is clever. I don't condone it being used for deciding the fate of the entire country.
But this is a thug who doesn't care about the rules, and must be treated as such.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:26am.
Oh, what's that you say, I'm a f*cking liar?
Too bad - SCOTUS sez you can't do anything about it.
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:22pm.
and tell them I'm a Medal of Honor recipient, or a SCOTUS justice. Tomorrow, I'll go down to the local hospital, pick up a white coat, and do my rounds. After all, it's "free speech". Maybe I can wander into the nearest courtroom and sit at either the defense table or prosecutor's table, or, better yet, I'll don the black robe and be the judge.
Submitted by ckc1227 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:48pm.
"Tomorrow, I'll go down to the local hospital, pick up a white coat, and do my rounds. After all, it's "free speech".
No, that's called trespassing. If you want to pick a girl up in a bar by telling her you're a doctor, or a lawyer, or a jedi knight, knock yourself out.
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:43pm.
medical staff; the trespassing scenario doesn't work in that regard.
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:45pm.
I was going to point out that there are tons of visitors in a hospital everyday, medical supply salespeople, delivery people. And, unless there's a sign at every entrance telling those who aren't medical staff to stay out, it isn't trespassing.
But, what can one expect from someone who condones wearing something that hasn't been earned. After all, it's just "free speech".
Following Louis CKC's "logic", I'm free to wear the black robes of judge, the lab coat of a doctor, or, I can slip into a suit and go sit down at the anchor desk at MSNBC and report the news, until someone asks me to leave.
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:33pm.
SCOTUS has ruled it legal to falsely claim a debilitating disease as a means of collecting money.
Justice Roberts has truly gone to the dark side if he believes it is legally honorable to defraud the charitable.
On the other hand, the socialists have won a big victory in that there is now a big reason to ignore the needy except by tax confiscation.
One small step for an able-bodied liar. One giant step for socialism.
Submitted by ckc1227 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:44pm.
Too bad - SCOTUS sez you can't do anything about it.
That is exactly how they should have ruled. Simply calling ones self a medal of honor winner shouldn't be a crime.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:04pm.
Then again, honor is a foreign concept to moonbats such as yourself.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:54pm.
Just so long as you don't make an evil profit.....
Submitted by oldfart on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:41am.
Yes Chief Justice Roberts will go down in history as another Chief Justice Taney. The difference being, Taney kept people in bondage, Roberts is putting every citizen in the USA in bondage to the Imperial Presidency.
Today, Chief Justice Roberts, has placed the scepter in the left hand and orb in the right hand, and the Imperial crown on the head of Caliph Hussein the 1st of the Empire of North America. As Saul was made a King in Israel, by the people, and the Roman Senate gave imperial power to Augustus, so Chief Justice Roberts has destroyed the Republic of the United States of America and created a position of Imperial Power.
Using the Commerce Clause to FORCE people to perform an act, Caliph Hussein the 1st, can now rule by Executive Order and Regulatory Authority of the various Departments. Since the Courts now back the Caliph, the only thing Congress can do, is from time to time pass some continuing resolutions to put us deeper in debt and make a lot of noise. Who the hell needs a budget you are an Emperor?
The Congress has been effectively neutered. The clanging sounds you heard about 10:30 was the sound of gonads rolling down the West Front of the Capital steps.
So people – be careful what you ask for in life – you just might get it – but not in the way you expected.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:50am.
Interesting perspective and analogy. I find it ironic that rulers who historically wear the imperial crown were focused on expanding their borders. Our imperial leader seems hell bent on giving our country away.
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:55am.
Obama has just been told he can do anything he wants. The congressional cowards will not do anything to holder, ghetto negroes with clubs will deputized by obama to ensuder order in November and Romney will grovel before obama and beg forgiveness.
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:59am.
I was glued to FOX, waiting on this ruling. The a banner came across FOX (while Bill was talking ) that the "Individual Mandate Ruled Unconsitutional," and I was so relieved. But within seconds, Megyn said: "Hold up, we are getting conflicting reports on this." Then in the next minute or so, the bad news was made very clear.
Wow, that just made my heart sink. I wish I never saw that first banner!
Submitted by Someone Said on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:35pm.
Gotta get the scoop!
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:38pm.
Tread lightly today.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Submitted by Suilbup on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:59am.
"Under the mandate, if an individual does not maintain health insurance, the only consequence is that he must make an additional payment to the IRS when he pays his taxes. That, according to the government, means the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition - not owning health insurance - that triggers a tax - the required payment to the IRS. [...] it makes going without insurance just another thing the government taxes like buying gasoline or earning income."
Except, Johnny-boy, in your examples the people who are the subject of a tax have DONE something. This time, I'll be taxed for having the temerity to breathe. Un-be-fing-lievable.
Submitted by Servo1969 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:28pm.
I don't care what it's called. I don't care how it's rationalized. The intent of a piece of legislation is irrelevant. This ruling changes the United States just like Wickard v. Filburn in 1942. Even if Obamacare is repealed in its entirety the concept of an Individual Mandate has been found constitutional. That's the hook upon which all future mandates will be hung. This is the fulcrum upon which every legislative crowbar will pivot.
The Legislative and Executive branches made the decision that the government should own the people. That it should have the power to penalize noncompliance with its wishes.
The Judicial branch has just decided that it agrees.
Your body is now the property of the U.S. Government as surely as if you volunteered for military service. Oh, it won’t be terribly drastic at first. All the current adults won’t stand for it. But the children… they will be taught to think differently than their parents and grandparents. The system is already in place. In every school, on every popular TV show, conditioning children to the new normal will begin. First unhealthy choices will be considered wrong. Next they will be considered offensive. Finally, they will be considered criminal. The criteria for ‘unhealthy’ will be decided by carefully selected Harvard graduates. Expertize in medicine will not be required.
Do I seem sad and pessimistic? Good, then I’ve managed to convey my true feelings.
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:35pm.
I don't have the words....(well I do, but unless Doc Sam does house calls, I don't have access to the tranquilizers I'd need when I was done).
Is anyone else listening to the Democrats on the Floor of the House right now, regarding the Holder vote? They are INSANE.
Link to CSPAN live stream.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:39pm.
After the SCOTUS ruling, what do you think the odds are that Holder is going to get away with this?
I'd say pretty damn good that he'll get away with murder.
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:48pm.
"Furious" doesn't even begin to describe my feelings right now. SCOTUS has just ensconced the first Emperor of the United States. How does it feel to live in a Dictatorship you liberal morons!!!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Submitted by rickbren on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:01pm.
. . . is the one of the "strict constructionists" on the court did not form his opinion based on the case made by the Solicitor General. He said that the fine was NOT a tax. Barry said it wasn't a tax. But Roberts decided it was a tax. . . I am incredulous.
Megyn Kelly said there may have been some shrewdness in Robert's opinion. Had to leave before it was discussed. But for now, the government can force us to buy ANYTHING and cal it a tax if we don't comply.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:17pm.
I found the word "comply" to be the most important word in your post. When you think about it, the decision today is just the next step in the evolution of the liberals, the nanny state, and socialism in general.
According to their philosophy -
We, the government, are all powerful and all knowing. We know what is best for you and your family better than you do. It is true that we have never met you and your family, but that does not matter since we are all powerful and all knowing. Therefore, you must comply with the rules we set for you. If you do not, we would like to remove you from society so you cannot undermine our message, but since we can't do that (yet), we will settle for taxing you until you chose to comply. Resistance is futile.
Welcome to the new USA.
Submitted by needle on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:03pm.
Deeply divided Supreme Court upholds individual mandate as a tax. What next?
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:07pm.
of the SCOTUS ruling, it is even more imperative that Obama and all those who voted for Obamacare, be voted out of office, and replaced with those who will repeal it.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:12pm.
They can call it whatever they want....................either way, we PAY!!!
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:21pm.
We pay...Whether someone already has insurance or not, we the people pay...We either pay the fine, or the tax, or whatever the government decides to call it, or we pay when our premiums go up, which they already have as a result of this, and will continue to do even more as a result of the additional costs that this has and will cause. In addition, we are going to see more employers decide to discontinue offering their employees a healthcare plan as a result of the ballooning costs associated with this, and then those people will end up trying to find a private plan that they can afford, or go without insurance and face paying the fine. There is nothing good about this...It must be repealed.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:11pm.
In November, we ride.
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:19pm.
Ms. Bru - you KNOW that 'da killa' is one of the most animated and optimistic people around, but right now I'm morose - and that is NOT a place I like to hang around!!! I was just emailing with a friend of mine - a very successful contractor who is ultra conseervative................he thinks this will be the 'death knell' for Boy Baraka. I'm not so optimistic - I know how many stupid, ignorant, apathetic, and uninformed people there are. Plus, now we have more proof that we are fighting the 'enemy within'.
It's pretty disheartening, and I'm not a disheartened kind of guy.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:25pm.
the election. I'm not at all certain that this will ultimately help in getting rid of Obama...I dearly hope so, but right now, I'm not sure at all. I was pretty confident that the SCOTUS would rule Obamacare as unconstitutional, and look what happened, so I'm not sure about anything right now.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:24pm.
In November, we can vote out every last liberal in the White House, the House of Representatives and the Senate. They can then repeal Obamacare. It doesn't matter. Legal precedence has been set that all future decisions will be based on. The government has the right to tax its people for not taking action on whatever they tell us to. That's the real problem here. You can't repeal that and you can't vote that out of office.
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:36pm.
Seems the commie tyranny is under way now.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:40pm.
been set now...Call it a "tax" and the government can make us buy whatever it decides we have to have, like it or not, or suffer the consequences.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:44pm.
Everyone seems to be missing the point by pinning their hopes on repeal. Today's vote has little to do with healthcare and very little to do with Obmacare. It has a whole hell of a lot to do with what the government can do to force us into compliance with what they deem is right for us. The audacity of these morons. Who the hell are they to tell me what is right for me and my family??
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:01pm.
has been set...Since congress has the power to levy a tax, what is to stop another administration and congress to pass another law that mandates that we the people have to do or buy something else, simply by calling it a "tax"??
Not good...not good at all.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:02pm.
No, it's most definitely not good. Let's not forget that today we learned not only that the government can tax us for anything, it can tax us for not doing something. This is a very long and slippery slope the SCOTUS just pushed us onto. The implications are mind boggling.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:07pm.
Mind boggling, and extremely disturbing.
Submitted by oldfart on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:07pm.
take a constitutional ammendment to fix this.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:22pm.
I think you are probably right. It would require an amendment that says the government does not have the power to levy tax for inaction or some such language. If I am not mistaken, it requires a super majority vote in Congress. That seems like an uphill battle to cut off a lucrative tax/revenue stream.
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:36pm.
I know -- the repercussions on the tax thing really worry me. I guess we have but one solution. From now on, we need a conservative President and majorities in the Senate and House -- oh, and the deck stacked with REAL constitutionalists on the Supreme Court. Then maybe I'll start to relax. LOL.
Dang, we have our work cut out for us for a long time, but heck if I am giving up.
But I am still still sick to my stomach. I did not see this coming, so it also shook my confidence on November. But let's use it to motivate us. Fear is ugly -- but a great motivator.
Submitted by Model850 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:39pm.
Justice Kennedy predicted it during oral arguments and now Roberts has helped fulfill the prophecy:
“And here the government is saying that the Federal Government has a duty to tell the individual citizen that it must act, and that is different from what we have in previous cases and that changes the relationship of the Federal Government to the individual in a very fundamental way.”
From now on, anything the government deems "necessary" for its subjects (we're no longer citizens, people) to do it will just dictate that we do it or be "taxed."
Freedom in America: July 4, 1776 - June 28, 2012
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:53pm.
It was a hell of a run.
Submitted by GatorEd on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:33pm.
Interesting look at what Chief Roberts may have actually done in limiting fed gov't powers WRT Commerce Clause (Mandate) and Amendment 10 (Medicaid).
Now O-Care is back as a hot topic, did this not just help the GOP win in 2010 the House, pickup seats in the Senate, it will be the GOP rally cry "REPEAL". This will energize the Conservatives and Tea Party to work just as hard this year.
Chief Roberts just made Pres Obama the biggest taxer on middle to low income class in history and lied to America that it was not a tax. And the new mandates will add even more to the deficit.
Now its up to the voters to do their part.
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:43pm.
out this way and will work to the right's advantage, but I'm not convinced of that yet.
Submitted by kilrod on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 1:48pm.
What're yall gonna do now, wait on another election?
kilrod "the Birther"
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 2:36pm.
Michelle Obama: “All This Just For a Flag”
...maybe she and her husband need to find another country to live in.
I'm not really proud of the occupants of my White House...
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:28pm.
There are some who believe The One already found another country to live in.......
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:36pm.
..or, hopefully, some other country where bowing is commonplace?
Submitted by crimsonspark on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:07pm.
Too bad this isn't one of those laws that Obama has decided not to enforce. I can't believe that Roberts changed the mandate to a "tax" in order to make it constitutional. I don't think I've ever been as shocked as I was when I heard the ruling. It literally felt like the wind had been knocked out of me. I've never seen a law where so much twisting (arms and words) in order to get this Charlie Foxtrot (trying to keep it clean but you know what I mean) passed. I'm only 29 and I feel like I no longer have a future.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:47pm.
And there's no way in hell I'm going to lie down and die over this. Put on your WAR face, people.
Submitted by stratman on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:56pm.
I'm with you.
Submitted by crimsonspark on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:09pm.
It was the passage of Obamacare that got the Dems tossed out on their butts in the first place and hopefully we'll have that same fire and passion in November. However, I don't have much faith in the spineless GOP leadership. Boehner has shown that he rolls over at the first bump in the road. Our only hope is to get strong conservative candidates who can back up the tough talk.
Submitted by dyardley on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:24pm.
There is no way in hell I will roll over and quit. I'm putting on my WAR face as I type. If we lose the November election for any reason, this country deserves what will happen to it. I for one won't go quietly.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:35pm.
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:37pm.
I'm with ya, girl. Paint away.
Submitted by Model850 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:13pm.
Amazing. All those lefty "journalists" wringing their hands the last few days, bemoaning the "illegitimacy" of SCOTUS, were right. The court just shredded the Constitution, and instead of interpreting law, made law.
What the majority justices seem to have said is, "A law that was not proposed as a tax, not promoted as a tax, not passed as a tax, and was denied being a tax by the president, is a tax! Ta-da! We just banged out magic gavels and created a tax where none existed before. You're welcome, subjects."
Bob Beckel was right. This is a hack court. Of course today I'm sure he'll laud the court as wise and learned. I wish someone with a Twitter account would send Eric Bolling a tweet and suggest that he and the three others on the panel all go around the table this afternoon and call this "a hack decision" just to needle Bloviating Beckel.
What's next? An executive order declaring the 1st and 2nd Amendments to the Constitution invalid, and all privately owned weapons must be surrendered by September 1st. And Islam is now the official religion of the United Socialist States of Amerika and all subjects must purchase a prayer rug and bow to the East five times a day or be taxed.
I'm only half-kidding....
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:27pm.
The legal precedent set today means the end of America as we once knew it.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:31pm.
I'm am getting the impression that very few people are grasping the ramifications of today's decision. Opponents are saying "Bah! Just repeal it!". As I have been trying to point out, you can't repeal legal precedence and this precedence reaches far beyond healthcare.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:45pm.
The only thing we've lost is the theory that the Supreme Court would protect our freedoms as outlined in the Constitution. Roe vs. Wade, Kelo, and Arizona's SB 1070, to name a few, should have made it clear that there is no tangible protection to be counted on from the SC.
What we must do now is what we must always do, vote the most conservative people possible into office and keep them accountable. We can't get lazy and think that the SC will catch the ones that slip by us. The original plan was to replace Congress and POTUS, and it's still the plan.
Eye on the ball.
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:54pm.
And what do you propose we do when we are taxed for not driving what our government considers a "green" car? Or for being taxed for not wearing a blue shirt on Tuesdays? The legal ramifications remain after this and every other upcoming election.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:28pm.
Same thing that would have brought the Soviets down within a year if the people had done it. Collectively tell the government to stuff it. You can't send the entire country to the gulag. The Left loves them some 'peaceful resistance' and 'civil disobedience', right?
We'll make them eat it till they puke.
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:07pm.
You are exactly right.
This hideous ruling means the federal government can do just about anything it wants now.
I keep hearing talking heads say that Roberts was just throwing the ball back into our court.
They couldn't be more wrong.
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:23pm.
Even if Roberts was throwing the ball in our court, that wasn't his job. His job was to rule on the law as written. Not to give Obama a way to make it work.
Submitted by oldfart on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:25pm.
Just what do 'they' have on Roberts?
There is nothing that 'they' cannot tell you to do!!
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 3:57pm.
This might be a little off topic,but it could be in the ballpark, considering the direction we've been going.
It looks like the EuroCup finals will be a Beggar's Banquet - Spain vs. Italy!!! And I heard that the Italian players let their bonuses go to 'charity'.......................probably something like sending your money to Boy Baraka in lieu of a birthday or wedding present.
Submitted by drsamherman on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:02pm.
This SCOTUS ruling is beyond anything most practicing health care professionals could have imagined. It will change everything for the negative.
Consider, if you will, the following:
1) There are not enough primary care physicians as it is, and now there is even less incentive for them to enter the specialties which are considered the first line in medicine, e.g. family practice, internal medicine and pediatrics (all without subspecialization).
2) Revenue sources for hospitals, which must provide free care under law, will also dry up faster and faster.
3) A group of mostly non-practicing physicians who are sycophants to what we call EBM (evidence-based medicine) will be dictating how vast sectors of health care are delivered through the auspices of the US Preventative Services Task Force. As I mentioned to Stratman last night, these are people who are obsessed with cookbook medicine, despite the fact that they all but refuse to talk to those medical specialties who use various diagnostic tests and procedures that the task force members feel don't work. Yet they are the ones driving all of the care templates which do not work. They literally have the power to dictate what will be done for free, as preventative care is required to be delivered without co-pay, deductible or other financial commitment of the patient outside of any premium they pay for health insurance.
4) Health insurance premiums will rise precipitously as more uninsured and non-insurable people with pre-existing conditions increase the costs with a corresponding decrease in professional services reimbursement driving providers out of the market entirely.
5) Get ready to ration, wait, ration, wait. Our system will become like Canada or the UK and all of the horror stories which have emanated from those two socialized health system nightmares. Look for the zealots who want to reproduce that system in the US introduce legislation or regulation prohibiting patients from privately funding their own care or using private health care systems.
6) Death panels? Already here. Call them whatever appellation you prefer, but they will be enforced through the lack of reimbursement for various services, drugs, tests, procedures which are considered by the EBM idiots as not being worth the time or money.
Yes folks, I'm worried. And contemplating retirement if things get any worse.
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:37pm.
The democrats now want to unionize doctors.
Submitted by LionKing on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:12pm.
Since states cannot enforce Federal laws, can state and local police enforce speed limits on Federal Roads and Highways?
Submitted by LionKing on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:22pm.
Does this mean I can exercise my Right to Lie on my income taxes?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 4:55pm.
ObamaCare gave it teeth. This will rouse the American people as they've never been roused in our lifetimes. That rumbling noise is an American tsunami that will dwarf the rising of 2010.
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
In November, we ride.
Submitted by GregE on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:37pm.
"If an individual does not maintain health insurance, the only consequence is that he must make an additional payment to the IRS when he pays his taxes," Roberts writes. He adds that this means "the mandate is not a legal command to buy insurance. Rather, it makes going without insurance just another thing the Government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning an income."
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 5:57pm.
Just another 'thing'????? Wow............that's a helluva reason to pass it!!! I started wonderin' (Obamaspeak) about this guy when he couldn't even do the swearing in ceremony correctly - Boy Baraka knew it better then he did!!! I don't want to see any headline about the 'conservative' Justice Roberts.
The Beatles had a song called 'Dr. Robert', and it was a send-up on the National Health Systmen in England at that time. Looks like we've repeated history, Justice Dr. Roberts!!!!!
Submitted by Jimbo on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:11pm.
What Robert painfully misses is that "like buying gasoline or earning an income" are proactive undertakings we do. What he just greenlighted was the government to tax us for things we don't do. A fundamental and very scary difference that can reach into areas none of us have even considered yet.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:32pm.
is how COLOSSALLY unpopular this is with the American people, and how the galactic ass whooping the Dems are going to take over this will affect things. "Progressive" pols will forever be associated with the single most hated legislation in American history. The Dems are going down in flames and taking their brand with them. There won't be another Dem voted President for generations.
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:43pm.
But the president that the Fed can tell the States what their folks must buy has been set with this ruling. Please, listen to Levin's show, his pod cast are free, as is his streaming of his show. BTW he is an acquaintance of Roberts.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:55pm.
After what's going to happen to the Dems in November no politician will have the temerity to pull that crap! Democrats will wet themselves for years whenever someone says "healthcare". ObamaCare will become a cautionary tale and progressive horror story told around every flag burning and drum circle.
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:05pm.
But this ruling will effect every single one of us, and not in a good way. And I dont have to tell you who will suffer the most.
We were all worried about Kennedy, who ruled to scrap the bill, yet it was Roberts who made the convoluted claim that even though Congress passes Taxes, and knows full well how to do that, they were simply mistaken in this instance and, and called it a penalty. Sorry, but he isnt this stupid. But now the president has been set, so even after repeal, we will fight mandate after mandate.
It is more important to find, and elect true conservatives. And I pray folks like yourself will throw their hat's in!
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:05pm.
They got an ass whooping in 2010, and nothing changed.
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 8:02pm.
in time for the 2010 census and redistricting, gained governorships, took over the House and stopped the Dems from moving forward with any more of their agenda through that channel, gained enough seats in the Senate to be easily in reach of gaining a majority this November, kicked Pelosi out of the Speakership, and just voted to hold the worst Attorney General in history in contempt of Congress. Do you think that a Dem majority Congress would be doing anything about Fast and Furious?
Things are not as black as they seem.
Submitted by GregE on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:03pm.
..........to tomorrow and my daily "next day" podcast of Levin's show.
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:39pm.
He jumped through hoops, to make any libtard proud
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:50pm.
I posted the same thoughts earlier today but of course, Charles says it much better than I. Please read this carefully
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:55pm.
He is dreaming. This ruling give Obama unprecedented power. In-fact, simple legislation can now undermine any Commerce questions bought to bear.
Please folks, listen to Levin's show today. He explains it, and the hows and whys
Submitted by GG_NB on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:57pm.
Thanks for the link on Charles. I think this is exactly what Roberts was trying to do -- straddle. And I think he was wrong to do so. I agree with your earlier comment on his elitist attitude -- and the "you deal with it, American citizens -- not my job" in-your-face king of edict.
Although I totally agree Americans need to wake up and perform their civic duties seriously, I am still ticked with Roberts. Come on, a King is overtaking our land! We needed a just "save." It doesn't bother me just a little bit that he is so concerned with the reputation of the Court. He essentially changed the argument to make this work for Obama. He didn't stick to the central argument alone.
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:41pm.
How could he? He has a civil responsibility to uphold our Constitution. He shredded it. I think the Hammer and Will and a few others are out to lunch!
Besides, it wanst the citizenry that voted for this garbage, it was about 300 statist
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:12pm.
...for his entire show so far.
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:36pm.
I knew when I heard this ruling, that I had to hear Mark. We need Levin in our Government!
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:37pm.
the dimfreakinwits passed it.
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:23pm.
We need him in the White House. :-)
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:49pm.
When the dimwits clearly claimed it wasnt. Seems it's pretty dangned clear that the House has not approved this Tax. Do you think it will matter for these clowns.
We had 4 ready to throw it all out, and Roberts makes crap out of whole cloth to pass it.
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 6:52pm.
Not to mention the unprecedented power this cretin of an Obama now wields.
Freak you so much Roberts!
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:04pm.
EXPAT is open.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 7:18pm.
Think of your freedom to access, the one and only (da kine monopoly) health panacea.
Submitted by 26CX on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 8:33pm.
There's only a tax if you don't get on EXPAT.
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 9:35pm.
You got that right. Or when you dont buy a House, or car, or TV or a Gov monitor
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 06/28/2012 - 8:00pm.
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