Open Thread: Commerce Secretary to Face Hit and Run Charges
First it was former congressman Alan Grayson running a red light right into a bus, now another famous Democrat has gotten in trouble for violating a traffic law in a serious way. Obama Administration Commerce Secretary John Bryson has been cited for a hit and run offense involving an auto accident he had in Los Angeles over the weekend:
Bryson, 68, was treated at a hospital for injuries following the crashes around 5 p.m. PDT Saturday, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's department and the San Gabriel Police Department said in a joint statement.
"Secretary Bryson was involved in a traffic accident over the weekend," the Commerce Department said Monday. "He was taken to the hospital for examination and has been released. He has sustained no injuries and the investigation is ongoing."
Bryson is facing felony hit-and-run charges, San Gabriel Police spokesman Lt. Ariel Duran said.
The secretary was driving alone in a Lexus on a major street in San Gabriel when he allegedly struck the rear end of a vehicle occupied by three males that had been stopped for a passing train.
He spoke briefly with the occupants and then hit their car again as he departed, the officials said. The three followed him while calling police.
"We did cite him for felony hit-and-run," Duran said. "Later the case (will be) submitted to the DA's office which will make a determination on what they are going to charge him with."
Bryson then allegedly caused a second collision minutes later, also on San Gabriel Boulevard, in the nearby city of Rosemead, striking a car occupied by a man and a woman, the police agencies said.
Needless to say, this will be an interesting development for the 2012 election, provided the liberal media ever decide to cover it much.
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finally
Submitted by dmacleo on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:54am.
someone in the admin being held accountable for killing the country.
oh wait, this is vehicular...dang.
was hoping this was for the hit and run thats been done to commerce here.
It's Bush's fault!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:56am.
Gotta be.
Funny
Submitted by milootoole on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:05am.
Now, that is funny, very funny. Sadly funny--true!
AAARGH!
Submitted by A Proud Infidel on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:44am.
You beat me to it!! I'm betting that the DNC's lackeys in the snooze media are gonna sleep on this story!
Does anyone remember...
Submitted by neutron on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:37pm.
“After they drove the car into the ditch, made it as difficult as possible for us to pull it back, now they want to keys back. No! You can’t drive. We don’t want to have to go back into the ditch."
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-bates/2012/03/04/pelosi-claims-obama-w...
I repeat........................
Submitted by Tomorama on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:08am.
THIS WILL NOT BE A STORY.
The above is not my opinion, It is the tweet sent out to CNN, PMSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS etc, etc, etc.
May not be
Submitted by libBuster on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:38am.
There may well be a medical condition (e.g. stroke, seizure) that prompted these events and no charges will be formally filed. Loss of judgment due to medical emegency is different from DUI.
Will liberal stupidity be
Submitted by A Proud Infidel on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:49am.
Will liberal stupidity be considered enough of a disability ? If the boys in the car he hit are Republicans, that automatically makes them at fault in a liberal's mind!
Federal Charges
Submitted by libBuster on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:12pm.
If the boys in the Buick are Republicans, Attorney General Holder might charge them 18 USC § 1951 - Interference with commerce by threats or violence. They did forcefully cause the Commerce Secretary's car to stop.
So, how do you think the campaign is going?
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:11am.
In 2008, Obama claimed he had 'executive experience' because he had run his campaign organization.
That's what we were supposed to judge him on.
So, now in 2012, instead of asking people's opinion on Obama's performance, they are of course, asking for opinions on how the campaign is doing!!
Because if that's going well, you know, he certainly deserves a second term for running not one, but TWO great campaigns!!
Oh the Irony, mb
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:31am.
THAT is hilarious. And sad, too.
Our Narcissist-in-Chief always makes it all about him. Seems that turned around and bit him, eh?
Excellent find, thank you for posting it....some days I never get around to hitting Zippers.
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This entire administration...
Submitted by ontheright on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:11am.
...has been nothing but one "hit and run" after another.
Oh, come on, now.....
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:15am.
You know this has NOTHING to do with his ability to do his job!
Bill Clinton will vouch for that!
Either that, or a voluntary commitment to rehab is imminent......
Sorry, I think this guy had neuro problems
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:16am.
I'm going to give him a pass, for now.
As for the rest of the comments thus far, highly amusing!!! "Bush's fault" A++++
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If he had a "R"
Submitted by oldfart on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:46am.
after his name there would be a different take on this.
That being said it does sound like a legit medical issue.
Shucks, Oldie.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:52am.
All liberals suffer from legit medical AND psychological issues!
They can never be convicted of an actual crime if that is the rule.
Pass or not doesn't matter Blonde
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:22pm.
This will go the same way as Paddy Kennedy's jaunt through the streets of DC a few years back - "Ambien made me do it". There will be some excuse or another. The problem is that their credibility is non-existent. So, no matter what they say, no one on the right will believe them. If his neuro issue is indeed BS, I admit to being impressed as to the speed they came up with the excuse. If it's for real, why was he driving in the first place?
Sorry, I have no passes left for anyone in this administration. They long ago used up any inkling of goodwill I might have had for them. For me, personally, they no longer have reasons for what they do (or don't do). All they have is excuses and BS.
For shame, NB...
Submitted by luckton on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:17am.
The guy had a seizure, and was treated for such. Carl Rove's group already took down their tweet about this after learning this fact. I expect you lot do to the same.
Look, it's an Open Thread
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:28am.
....where people are free to discuss. It happened, it's a topic for discussion.
Your "you lot" comment says much about you.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Really? Explain why Lindsay Lohan was spotted running away.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:29am.
Seems highly suspicious to me.
He had a seizure?? So when
Submitted by NC Cop on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:46am.
He had a seizure?? So when he was done with his seizure he fled the scene? Why was he cited if he had a seizure?
Please, luckton, you're so knowledgeable, inform us peasants.
Good point NC Cop.
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:58am.
Additionally, why was the “Commerce Secretary” driving around alone… Doesn’t he have a chauffer or security people with him when he's on-the-road?
- Grump :o)
Seizures~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:06am.
From the narrative on what down and being that he was evaluated at the hospital, it really doesn't sound suspicious to me. And I believe seizures can come on quite gradually and stretch out to a crescendo, with all kinds of symptoms that seem to fit the pattern of what happened (confusion/impared thinking/lack of coordination, etc.), from what I ever remember reading on seizures.
But ask Strat! He would know.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG:
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:20am.
What I know about medicine can be summed-up in the “Band-aid” song so I have no idea where the seizures came from or how long they have been going on.
But having said that, I still must question why the “Commerce Secretary” was driving around alone without having at least one “Security-type” in attendance?
IMHO, there is more to this story than we are being told.
- Grump :o)
Hi Georgia Girl!
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:19pm.
I've read the entire thread and you have posted excellent thoughts about the Secretary's accidents. I see Sam has also weighed in, and he would be the expert on seizures. My initial thoughts includes:
There are other things to consider in a differential diagnosis given the limited information presented so far. The list of possibilities will dwindle as the results of a full history, physical exam and multiple tests become available. Right now you stabilize, monitor, and correct the things you can while investigations proceed.
Hey, Strat~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:34pm.
Thanks -- nice listing. I mean, scary listing -- but informative. :) I saw Dr. Sam's info, too. You guys know your stuff!
I'm really curious as to what went on here.
The only other two things I read today on this was that when he talked to the three guys, they said he seemed "confused" and asked if they should exchange info...then he got in his car and backed up, hitting them again before leaving. Oh, and in that same news article, some neuro doc stated something about him going "in and out" like that as potentially being consistent with some neuro problems.
I think I also read the officers who finally got to him (after he was conscious again) said he was cooperating but acting oddly. I'd say so!
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Thanks GG
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:20pm.
But I left off a biggie: Infection, like meningitis. Stroke should be considered too. The list can go on with plenty of exotic causes.
Where's Dr. House?
Question Strat
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:34pm.
Shouldn't alcohol or prescription drug abuse make the list? It isn't that I completely disbelieve he has a legitimate physical problem, but, as I stated earlier, this administration has NO credibility, so I can't make myself believe it absolutely WASN'T something else. If it is proven to have been physical, I will accept that and include him in my prayers. But if it ISN'T a physical ailment, I expect him to be presecuted and the administration cover-up exposed.
Hi Cappmann
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 1:20pm.
Alcohol and drugs are included in #7.
I dug out the mnemonic just for causes of seizures:
Fever, drugs/substances, alcohol, and genetics are also causes of seizures not explicitly stated in the mnemonic.
There are other reasons besides seizure to explain what happened. Since the Secretary is a high profile person we will probably find out what the best explanation is, at least in general terms.
Thanks to all for helping me to review my Medicine.
Sorry Strat
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 10:20am.
Missed that. I was focusing on prescription drug ABUSE. Guess we'll just have to wait to see what's what. I don't expect to lose any sleep over this. Thanks for the info.
Strat~
Submitted by GG_NB on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 1:15pm.
Well, I saw this article today, which adds another layer:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-commerce-crash-20120612,0,630870...
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
The Plot Thickens
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 1:37pm.
Wonder if he flew commercial or a chartered medical flight? Since there is excellent medical care available in California, chances are the Secretary required no emergent care and was deemed stable for travel.
Luckless
Submitted by Free Stinker on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:46pm.
Luckless has only been here a couple of hours so . . .
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Luckless
Submitted by Free Stinker on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:46pm.
Luckless has only been here a couple of hours so . . .
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
OK, luck.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:01pm.
I promise not to say anymore about this until Obama, or Axelgrease, makes a speech about why we really need Obamacare based on this incident!
Why, EVEN cabinet officials need healthcare to survive, right! To hell with the Supreme Court and the voters.
Odd~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:39am.
This is a really strange story because Bryson got out of his car and talked to the three guys he hit in the first crash -- and then he hit them again when he left!
I don't know, but since the report indicates there was no alcohol or drugs involved -- and Bryson ended up unconscious -- this sounds like a pretty big medical problem. Maybe a diabetic without the right level of insulin?
Anyway, glad nobody was seriously injured or killed.
P.S. While I was typing this, several others of you posted. I see something about a seizure or stroke. That would make sense, too.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
The question here Georgia
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:37pm.
Is where did the "no alcohol or drugs" statement come from? He was charged, and the charges are still pending as far as I know. So who definitively stated it wasn't alcohol or drug related?
Cappman~
Submitted by GG_NB on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:55pm.
I believe the hospital staff did that testing, and the results turned out negative. But he also gave blood at the hospital, so the results of that are still pending. That is my understanding of where it's at right now.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
I'm sorry,
Submitted by nolefan2 on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:50am.
but I just don't trust this administration. I hope it was a medical issue, but I believe that even if it wasn't one, it would be reported that way.
Seizure~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:51am.
Yeah, it's all over the place now that it was a seizure. That's too bad, but at least he was treated right away and nobody was seriously injured.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
When all others have fired you go to Gore
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:55am.
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/11/goracle-hires-jackass-lefty-joy-behar...
Sounds familiar
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:02am.
After Obama got sworn in, he smacked us hard, took a look at the damages, and decided he needed to smack us harder. Obama models himself a modern day Caesar, so the loop is complete. "Yo Michelle, pass the arugula!"
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Excellent, Fish.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:56am.
My best to Sapphire!
I don't see why.
Submitted by CobraMan on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:05am.
"Needless to say, this will be an interesting development for the 2012 election, provided the liberal media ever decide to cover it much."
What does this have to do with the 2012 election? Obama wasn't driving the car. And the man in question isn't running for office. It would be asinine to try to use this as a campaign ploy. It may be something the liberals would do, but I don't think very many conservatives would do it.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Cobra~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:15am.
I agree.
There is plenty of stuff on O and his administration -- plenty of stuff -- that is legit to hone in on, but I am not getting why some (of my favorite NBers, by the way!) think this is a big story linked to O. I'm not even getting why this sounds suspicious -- and believe me, I have become as about as supicious of the O Administration and media as I can get.
But I don't think this is anything but a story about a man who had a seizure while driving. In this case, his job is irrelevant to me. Just my opinion.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Previous commerce secretary
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:20am.
Don't forget Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, his death was met with strange circumstances.(not that the current one died, but it could happen)
-Jon
Yea, it "could" happen.
Submitted by CobraMan on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:26pm.
Yea, it "could" happen. And monkeys "could" jump out of my butt, but I'm not going to place a bet on it.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Me neither
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:36pm.
But the circumstances between Brown's death are very strange, supposedly he survived the plane crash and they offed him right then and there while an air traffic controller got killed...I mean committed suicide by turning an AK-47 on himself, so the story goes.
With all the Chicago stuff behind this bogus potus, who knows what'll happen, someone may die from athlete's foot brought on by concrete shoes.
Yeah, I know, "may" or "could," but I wouldn't put anything past these frauds.
-Jon
Cobra, IF, and it's a big if,
Submitted by MikeB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:17pm.
Cobra, IF, and it's a big if, drugs or alcohol were involved, while it is not an indictment of Ear Leader personally (and Ear Leader should be under indictment for a lot of stuff), this story will speak volumes about the not-so-Mainstream Media. Whether they cover for the Secretary, or whether they give the honest details. And, as much water as they carry for Democrats in general and this administration in particular, how will we know if they report the truth?
Change the channel FOX News
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:41pm.
Then you get both the true story AND the LSM's failure to cover it.
Talk about delusional
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:06am.
Howard Dean thinks Wisconsin was a win for the Democrats, bodes well, and last week was a good week for Democrats!!!
Moonbattery on parade.
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Blonde, we can only hope next
Submitted by MikeB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:27pm.
Blonde, we can only hope next November will be as big a win for the Democrats as that recall election was. I can just see Ear Leader next January when Romney is being sworn in, standing there with a confused look on his face, saying, "but, we won that election just like we won Wisconsin." Little Pigtail Girl in Wisconsin will be railing at the guys in the CNN bus. Whiney Little Snot will be crying that "democracy died today". Ogre will be laughing his glutes off at the clueless fools.
If he has a medical condition
Submitted by texastommy on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:07am.
If he has a medical condition that would cause this, why is he driving? Sorry, I'm not convinced.
Texas~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:27am.
I get what you're saying, but he may not have a history of seizures. This could be a first for him. Or he could be on an anti-seizure medication that allows him to drive, but that medication is no longer effective or he went into a different classification of a seizure disorder, etc.
Well, in any case, I'm not trying to convince you -- you're entitled to your opinion. And I'm certainly not part of Bryson's PR management team, though I'm starting to feel like it. LOL. ;)
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Good point, texastommy ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:34am.
Given what I have seen of Obama's administration, or with political maneuvers in general, regardless of Party affiliation, I would distrust, but verify.
And experience has also shown that with politicos, maintaining the distrust mode, even after verifying, is a good move.
MD
MD~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:49am.
Wow, you too. Okay, guys, get back to me if it proves to be a conspiracy. I will never, ever feel sorry for anyone again or give anyone the benefit of the doubt once in awhile. ;)
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:55am.
Just venturing an opinion; I would find it extremely difficult to disagree with anything you ever have to say. :o)
MD
MD~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:42pm.
Silly! You can disagree with anything I have to say. I won't be friends with you anymore, but you can still disagree with me. KIDDING! ;)
Besides the hospital evaluation, the thing I keep going back it is that the guy got out of his car and talked to those he hit...who does that if they are a hit-and-run type? Then even more strange, he hits them again upon exiting. For me, that is just too darn contradictory to not come to at least a tenuous conclusion that something was going on neurologically with his brain. Did he even realize he hit them again? Was he mushy by then and on autopilot mode? I really wonder what he said to those three guys. But why would he flee the second time (which is already weird in itself that he hit them AGAIN), after just having talked to them? That just makes no sense to me for a hit-and-runner. I'm trying to imagine the thinking there..."Rut row. I hit them once, but this second time might really sink me. I better get outta here!" ?
Now Grump's question on why he was driving himself...I don't know. CAN'T he drive by himself? Was he not supposed to, security or medical-wise? Was there a history of seizures with him, or was this a "first"? Also, for those who get infrequent seizures, that might be a tough one for docs. Should they never be allowed to drive, if they are treated? Perhaps his seizures (if he ever had any before) were nothing like this kind of thing.
I don't know the answers to these questions...they should be asked. But I just don't have conspiracy on my mind at this time.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
GG ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 1:16pm.
Some clues:
1. Obama Administration Commerce Secretary John Bryson
2. Obama Administration Commerce Secretary John Bryson
3. Obama Administration Commerce Secretary John Bryson.
4. Ol' John, as a loyal Obama type, after speaking with the occupants of the other vehicle and discovering that two of the three were Republicans and the third was a conservative; was required to hit 'em again. I think he was trying to smoke 'em.
5. Any conversation with Republicans or conservatives affects a liberal Democrat like sunlight affects a vampire.
6. Assuming any liberal Democrat has anything going on neurologically is a tenuous thought at best.
7. Mushy? See # 6 above.
8. Big John reportedly said to the three, "Hi, sailors. Been in town long?" - which led to the "might really sink me" remark. He thought they were in a boat.
These clues may not be completely accurate; and they may not solve your dilemma; but I like them immensely. :o)
I am also glad that no one was badly hurt.
MD
MD~LOL!
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 1:25pm.
That's priceless. :)
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Don't worry about it, GG
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:06pm.
I disagree sometimes, too (as I posted above).
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Now don’t get your dander up GG! :o)
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:10pm.
I don’t think this is much of a “Conspiracy Theory” either… and I’m willing to give the Secretary of Commerce – a Cabinet Level position - the benefit of the doubt as well.
I would just like to know why he was driving around alone without a security guard/chauffer. Now if the Secretary of Commerce – a Cabinet Level position – does not rate either a chauffer or a security guard… then I will withdraw the question and chalk the whole thing up to a bit of bad luck.
- Grump :o)
Hey, Grump~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:47pm.
No worries, I'm not upset at all. I'm just confused that so many think there is so much more to this. There could be...I don't know, but it just doesn't seem like it to me is all. But see my post to MD about your chauffeur comment. :)
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Thanks GG -
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 1:05pm.
Did see your comment above... Thanks. There is probably nothing more to this than a series of bad luck incidents...
However... (LOL)
- Grump :o)
Grump~"However"...LOL.
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 1:36pm.
Well, there may be one thing worth noting. Perhaps nobody's going to be climbing the walls to be a U.S. Commerce Secretary. There's an article about there being a "hex" on Obama's Commerce Secretaries. You can Google it, if interested. And although I don't believe in hexes, I'm thinking this is one tough gig anyway!
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
My mother has seizures
Submitted by CobraMan on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 1:55pm.
"If he has a medical condition that would cause this, why is he driving?"
My mother suffers from seizures and she still drives. She just had her license renewed. She's on medication to control them, but no medication is 100 percent effective 100 percent of the time. That's no reason why she can't drive. People who are diabetics still drive, even though they may suffer a diabetic coma and possibly get into a car accident.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Bonehead grows a pair?
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:48am.
Bonehead has scheduled a vote next week to charge Holder with contempt of Congress for failing to turn over documents related to Fast and Furious. I can hear the Commiecrats now. Debbie Downer Shultz of the Wasserman crime family will be appearing on every network she can get to cry politics. If she goes on MESSNBC, ABC, CNN or NBC she is going to have to explain F&F. They have yet to report any of the hearings or anything related to it. Maybe because of that the pulbic will hear about F&F and become curious. I know the lamestream media is going to cover for the Chicago Jesus and Holder but a least they will know something is a amiss.
The truth will come out eventially
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:07pm.
The principal of the NYC school that banned the kids from singing God Bless the USA came out the first time and said it would offend some cultures. After that BS didn't flush she then said it was inappropriate for 5 year olds. The truth has come out. The teacher is a Jehovah Witness. If you are familiar with them they have nothing to do with the Pledge of Alligance or saluting the flag. When my wife and I were talking about it this morning after Fox report she was a JW my ten year old granddaughter said she had a JW in her class and she refused to say the pledge each morning.
I notice after I typed this there was already a thread from Noel on this . Sorry
Hmmmmm.....
Submitted by Tim_CA on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:08pm.
Any bets that someone had a little too much drinky drinky?
Here's a link for all to bookmark
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 12:51pm.
Save it for use the next time one of the trolls drops "neocon" into the convo. It's always good for a laugh (remember the epic williams411 Forum thread when he cited, verbatim, Wiki for the answer to "what is a neocon, wm?"). Because as surely as the sun will rise tomorrow, we will be inundated with trolls as the election approaches, and they'll surely throw around the term neocon around without actually knowing what it means.
Then we can spring the trap!
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Every once in a while
Submitted by GW on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 3:04pm.
I read something that is wrong on so many levels, I have no idea where to begin.
So True, GW
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 3:20pm.
That's why I posted it. I also sent it to Dave, who is going to put it on the Fellowship of the Minds blog.
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Blonde, why do you find the term "neocon"
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 7:34pm.
(and presumably "neoconservatism" and "neoconservartives") so objectionable?
It is an authentic political/ideological movement--an eminently defensible departure from several of the guiding tenets of traditional conservatism--with identifiable policy objectives and philosophical underpinnings which have been described and defined in depth by the architect of neoconservatism, Irving Kristol, who thoroughly embraced the term.
I notice that Clay Waters has also portrayed the term as a slur which was recently employed by Paul Krugman. But, in the context of Krugman's criticism, even the word "conservative" would have been considered a slur.
So, I am a little confused why there is a problem with the word, or, for example, with noting that Bush's foreign policy was largely shaped by a number of neoconservative adherents both inside and outside of his administration.
Jer
Because, Jer
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 8:05pm.
It's "code". And nasty. And a perjorative.
Perhaps it was, at some point in time, a "new" form of conservatism (for mugged liberals, mostly Jewish), but the term has been co-opted by the Left.
Call me a conservative. Call me a paleo-conservative. But "neocon" is as derogatory as "porch monkey".
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Jer~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:31pm.
I'm neocon-opposed as well. However it began, it's a term that is now used to insult -- no doubt about it.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Then I will refrain from applying it to you as well, GG...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:44pm.
but, I know as a fellow Georgian, that you are aware of the word "liberal" also being deliberately used as an insult. Remember the Republican campaign ads where the voice-over announcer would label Democrat candidate Joe Schmoe "a Massachusetts (then uttering the word with a menacing growl) Liib-ruul like Teddy Kennedy". Classic.
Jer
Me too Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:53pm.
Whenever I hear or read the term neocon, I immediately think of Janeane Garofalo and her hate filled rants against conservatives. A particular political stance has been demonized without any rational discussion on the basics of that agenda. Reminds me of any questions about Obama always results in being called a racist.
A long time political view, regardless of past history or current beliefs, has become a pejorative, as Blonde states. To me , it is now offensive. Add me to your list.
I certainly think
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:54pm.
"liberal" is a term of a derogatory nature.
That why I use it.
No, Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:04pm.
Your word is "dimwits". Own it.
Jer
Sick one's
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:13pm.
Eh,
The words "liberals" and "dimwits" ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:04pm.
are synonymous.
MD
Jer~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:10pm.
Honestly, in that case, I think that says more about the dislike of liberals, but I will give that some thought.
I use the term "liberal" a lot, as a way to classify the overall beliefs/agenda/views of the Far Left. I swear I never think of it like an insult -- just a fact. I disagree with just about all their views (I'd say all, but there is always some small thing you can agree with almost anyone on), but it's not like I was thinking I was putting them down with the term.
Until I get a new term that makes sense...here comes more insulting (LOL)...
I did not know liberals wouldn't be okay with being called liberals -- because their views are liberal, and that's what they like! So really, that is an insulting term? Not all Democrats hold as liberal views as others, so how am I supposed to explain what I mean when I am delving into political viewpoints that are very much on the liberal end of things? I cannot think of another term to use, seriously! It's like taking away the term "conservative."
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Delete
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:43pm.
Again. Ugh.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Jer
Submitted by MrShy on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 8:37pm.
"Bush's foreign policy was largely shaped by a number of neoconservative adherents..."
Right, and not by 9/11.
As Commander in Chief of the most powerful and economically influential country in the world -- and a country with a big target on it's back put there by it's many ill-will enemies over many decades -- after a series of attacks on our soil and our interests culminating with the devastating one on 9/11/2001, Bush & Co's foreign policy (see: our response, finally) was amazingly restrained and hardly hawkish.
The policy they drafted in a post-9/11 world, to any rational thinking person, adhered simply to common sense and not to any political party or ideological tenets. These "adherents" in defending our shores should belong to liberals as well, but for some odd reason they don't -- well, they sort of do when a Democrat is setting the war/foreign policy. Go figure.
Neocon schmeocon. It's a nasty, meaningless label cooked up by one side to sling at the other for purely partisan politics purposes.
And the left calls us divisive. Hilarious.
- shy gets funky this fall
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
I've never suggested it wasn't influenced by 9/11, Shy...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:05pm.
but that's not really the point at issue.
Here's a paleoconservative opinion from early 2005. Obviously, Buchanan, a prominent and traditional non-interventionist, was not especially enamored of neoconservative foreign policy. But, he wasn't using the term itself as a pejorative, but rather as a descriptor of a significant faction of contemporary conservatives.
Maybe you can provide examples of individuals within that group who were or are offended by the term. As I noted previously, Irving Kristol, the architect of the neoconservative movement certainly wasn't.
Jer
I'm offended by the term
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:18pm.
See my response above.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Ya know how it is,
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:25pm.
The dimwits feel obligated to tell the rest of us whats approved, and whats not, and when.
I saw your response, Blonde, and I promise I will never use it
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:28pm.
to describe you or to associate the term with you in any manner.
But unless foreign affairs notables in the GOP establishment such as Paul Wolfewitz, Douglas Feith, Elliot Abrams, Robert Kaplan, Richard Perle and others evidence a similar objection--and I don't believe they have--I may use it on occasion in reference to them or the policies they advocate.
Jer
So.......
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:36pm.
You note that many ARE offended.....yet you still choose to use it.
Whilst referencing the "GOP Establishment".
Well, there you go.
I'd suggest you do some research on the term, in conjunction with "perjorative".....and see where that lands you.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Once again, Blonde, I fail to see how the word is inherently
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:56pm.
offensive when the individual most associated with it, who is the intellectual force behind it, who has defined it and promoted it and explained it and embraced it, is perfectly comfortable with it.
On the other hand, I find "DemonRats", "DemoRats" "dimwits", "libtards" and like terms to be obviously, intrinsically, and demonstrably pejorative and insulting. Will you promise not to use them?
Jer
Knew this was coming,
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:00pm.
Almost predicted it. opps, I did
The Great Boudini...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:07pm.
You never cease to amaze.
Jer
Why don't you google it then, Jer?
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:14pm.
Instead of whining.
I don't use DemonRats, DemoRats, Dimwits, and very rarely libtards.
So if you have $10, I'll sell you a clue.
We're not playing some sort of moral equivalency game. I said it was offensive. You don't buy it (or don't care to). Fine. Play some more liberal porch monkey games.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Shocking...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:52pm.
Blonde deals the inevitable "whining" card.
I promised to respect your personal opinion of the word and never apply it to you--and I'll gladly extend that pledge to GG and cajun and every other conservative member of this website.
But I won't make the same promise when referring to Kristol who was honored to be associated with the term or other influential conservatives who adhere to the same principles and who are not offended in the least to be similarly described. I do not use the word to disparage.
And thanks for the mature response.
Jer
And dealing the inevitable "whining" card is inevitable ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:09pm.
because ---? :o)
MD
It has become the default reaction...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:14pm.
when one can't come up with a thoughtful and constructive response to a difference of opinion.
Jer
Only a lefty, or a liberal, or a progressive, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:36pm.
posting on a conservative site; metaphorically, but deliberately tweaking noses and poking conservatives in the eye - would consider their ideological opinion to be so far above reproach that a "thoughtful and constructive response" should be not only their due, but their birthright.
You funny guy.
MD
I'm really surprised, Jer
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:10pm.
As an (older) attorney, that you have forgotten one of the basic tenets of your profession.....never ask a question to which you don't know the answer.
Too bad. You asked a question from the position of thinking you knew, when in fact, you didn't.
You're welcome.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Don't be, Blonde...
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:59pm.
I had neither forgotten the tenet nor was I unaware of the answer to the question. It remains the same as when I researched the issue a year or so ago.
As with any number of words and phrases, it depends on the context: Who is using the term; how and why is it being used; and, for what purpose. But there is nothing inherently pejorative about "neoconservatism".
Here is a lengthy article: The Past, Present, and Future of Neoconservatism--you may wish to skim portions if you choose to read it--containing interesting insights and a helpful analysis of the topic.
Jer
And HERE is a Headline, a Helpful INSIGHT for You
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 12:27am.
If you refuse to see why "neocon" is perceived by most conservatives as an ugly word......SHAME ON YOU!
Quit being an ass.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I read it when you linked the WZ piece earlier...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 1:08am.
and I can't handle visiting that sewer more than once a day.
Jer
WZ is a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:24am.
sewer, but you continually defend Obama.
Odd.
Must be that ideology thing.
MD
Maybe...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:54am.
But my critical comments about Bush, for example, have always been based on policy and were never personal attacks. The cretins at that cesspool joke about wishing it had been Obama killed instead of Osama. Very classy.
Jer
Obama is a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 4:09am.
pos.
What's your point?
MD
As vague as it may have been...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 4:22am.
it still made far more sense than yours.
Jer
I gave up trying to make sense of, or trying to ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 6:09am.
talk sense to, anyone with a leftward lean long ago.
Waste of time.
Even though that seems to be the consensus of most conservatives here at NBs, I notice it doesn't slow the trolls down in the least; they continue to keep showing up and spouting their BS and getting slapped silly - until they either go ballistic and get banned, or slink away with their tail between their legs.
You can ascribe the differences of opinion on both sides to ideology - but that doesn't alter the fact that conservatives for the most part have no interest in the silly prating of liberal loons. Liberal 'ideology' comes across more as being pushy bordering on maniacal than it does as being commonsensical.
MD
The Answer Is Simple....
Submitted by Samaritan01 on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 1:09pm.
....It was all Bush' fault.
That's right.
Submitted by CobraMan on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 2:00pm.
That's right! If Bushitler hadn't refused to allow National Health Care back in 2001, this poor man would have been diagnosed much earlier and he wouldn't have been a victim of the republican's anti-health agenda. Heh.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
I don't know if any of you
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 2:18pm.
I don't know if any of you are following the special election in AZ's 8th district, the seat once held be Giffords. Five months before she was shot Jesse Kelly, the Republican, made some comments. Nancy Pelosi's PAC has taken those words and tried to make it out like it was just said. They have spent big buck running ads with the words, "a hero of nothing." Whether she was shot or not she is no hero. The only Congressmen/woman that are heroes are the one that served in the military like Col West and John McCain. I'd even let that apply to John Kerry. Did you know he served in Vietnam?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77235.html
Oh for Cryin' Out Loud!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 4:02pm.
Now "cool" is racist code, when used to describe Obama.
I guess I really am going to have to compile a list of racist code words before the election.....because this is just too freakin' much!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Blonde~oops.
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 4:28pm.
You accidentally said another code word -- "freakin' " -- that's on the list, too, because your "this" actually meant O, which makes it a racist remark -- didn't ya know? Dang, pretty soon we won't be able to speak at all...
Hey, wait a minute. It's almost like that's their goal. {{^_^}}
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
LOL, GG....ya think?
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 4:45pm.
I wonder if those tens of thousands of drones Obayme is flying over the US have ears?
I am REALLY bothered by the Drones (one just crashed in Maryland)....yet I've not seen anything in the media, nor from our erstwhile representatives on teh subject.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Blonde~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 8:38pm.
Yeah, you'd think many would be droning on about it (sorry, couldn't resist). But seriously, this is a huge change in our fundamental freedom, and it is hard to believe it's just going unchecked. I don't believe I've heard any reps addressing this.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
If Obama has drones flying over my house ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:16pm.
that are sending info back to him; he is really gonna be pissed when he hears what I think of him.
That goes triple for the sASSquatch.
MD
Blonde/MD~
Submitted by GG_NB on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 5:14pm.
Good commentary on the drones:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/07/where-is-outrage/
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
It's all they have
Submitted by Model850 on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 4:31pm.
As you well know "racism" is the only arrow they have in their quiver. Dumbo's policies are utter failures, his administration is a national security sieve, his "signature" accomplishment is despised by a majority, the economy is circling the drain and his
beardwife struts around like royalty while spending taxpayer dollars on lavish vacations.So yeah, there's nothing left for them to do but cry "Racist!" at each and every critic of their messiah. Unless one bows down and sings "Hosanna to the almighty Obama," and puckers up to kiss his ass, you're a racist undeserving to live.
Liberals were the first to
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 4:43pm.
Liberals were the first to proclaim him "cool" and to brag about his "swagga."
Now they can live with it.
I'm okay with that one-
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 8:42pm.
at least in the sense that I never thought the guy was cool. Just like I never thought Urkel was cool. Or Toure. Or Don Lemon. In fact, I'm pretty sure they're all Chevy Volts. Or something.
Delete
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 8:52pm.
.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Cool vs. uncool~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 8:51pm.
It seems to me like O tries to come off as cool. For me, people who try so hard to act cool are not cool.
So in that sense, Urkel is more cool to me than O.
I can't believe I just said that. I'm not using that for my tagline. *_*
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Great sign
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 4:06pm.
http://moonbattery.com/tombstone-politicians.JPG
Remember the theme song for the TV show Tombstone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pw9-cz9uMs
I drove through there a few years ago.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 6:17pm.
After a few beers, in the Doc Holidays bar in Glenwood Springs, Colorado (Doc is buried in Glenwood).
I finally made a trip through the real Tombstone... The real town is smaller than on that ol tv show Tombstone Terrtory. Where Spock spent time in jail. .EDIT: much prettier there in the real Tombstone than that tv lot
If you are in that area and the sun is setting, better travel over to Bisbee for a place to stay. Smaller than Taos and without a ski area. My opinion on fixing the pipeline, is to use all the latest equipment available, to fix the pipeline as fast as possible..in and out ... as to not bother the critters living there.
BD a poster on NB lives in that area, works the border....Since the gun walking I haven't seen or heard a thing from him. Sure hope he is ok...
You Didn't Build That.
There are a LOT of different seizure types we treat.
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 7:56pm.
Everybody knows the "grand mal" and "petite mal" types of seizures, the former of which is the classic swallowing your tongue and going into wretching convulsions type and the latter of which could best be described as hitting the "pause" button on someone's brain and freezing them for a limited period of time. Then there is everything and anything in between.
Just as there are different types of seizures, there are also different types of seizure disorders and not all of them fall under the epilepsy category. A common misconception is that epileptics cannot drive. They can, but only once they have established control over their seizures with medication and refrain from driving when they know they are pro-dromal.
In any given diagnosis, a typical work-up of a new onset seizure patient includes a full brain MRI or CT, EEG, blood tests, thorough history and physical and in some cases an EKG or other cardio work-up. In a certain percentage of cases, the source of the seizure is never fully revealed and the patient may not experience another episode for many years. In other cases, the patient's imaging and labs tell me nothing, but then a seizure is precipitated during the work-up and I have a better idea of what is happening. After diagnosis, I work like hell trying to find a combination of medications and lifestyle modifications which will give the patient the best anti-seizure control. It can take forever to find the right dosing, because I have to draw blood levels of their medications and keep them within appropriate range while maximizing efficacy and minimizing the horrific side-effects some of these anti-epileptic medications have. The whole process can take weeks or months to fully establish what works and what does not.
In some cases I must report the seizure disorder to the Department of Public Safety (they issue driver's licenses in Texas) if the patient is still experiencing episodes which could endanger themselves or others. I have to do the same for psych patients. I caution my new-onset seizure patients to avoid ANY serious physical labor, driving or operation of mechanical implements until a firm diagnosis is made. That's not only the standard of care for these disorders, it's just good medicine and basic harm reduction.
Not knowing the Secretary's medical history, it is impossible to tell exactly what kind of seizure he had other than to say it appears not to be the tonic-clonic or myoclonic variety which is typically the convulsive type that is ingrained in the popular image of epilepsy. The seizure would not necessarily mitigate the possibility that a crime has been committed, but that remains the domain of the court and the contributing medical evidence.
Doc Sam
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 8:52pm.
Isn't it true that it physiologically impossible to swallow one's own tongue? Hence, the "need" to put something in a seizure patient's mouth a myth (and a dangerous one at that?). People get hurt doing that, both the "helpers" and the person having the seizure.
I feel it might be instructive here, for you to give a general "what to do" if you see someone fall down and have a seizure....i.e. don't try to restrain the person (injuries may occur), but DO remove anything which might fall on the person....try to find a medical advisory (wallet, wrist) with contact....and it's not necessary to dial 911 from second one...waiting a minute or two is often advised.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
To answer you, J....
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:48pm.
It is nearly anatomically impossible to swallow one's tongue. It is an ancient artifact of medicine, but it really means a few things. In some cases, the "seizure" was brought on by anaphylaxis, which is an extreme allergic reaction in which angioedema (tongue swelling) becomes so severe that breathing is compromised. In more neurologically-focused illnesses, it means a massive seizure in which the patient literally is incapacitated to the point where the 'swallowing of the tongue' is more metaphorical - meaning a loss of muscular control to respiratory function. However the mechanism, the result is the same - a trip to the undertaker.
A seizure is a complex pathological event, usually not limited to a singular brain pathway. It "evolves" if you will, in a simultaneous hypo-excitatory or hyper-exicitatory (meaning too little or too much) stimulus to a defined brain area resulting in tangible brain activity leading to end-organ dysfunction. Typically, these types of major-pathway seizures are not limited to a specfic organ system, although certain brain centers that are identified as governing major organ system management may be implicated. The best analogy I can think of is the computer set-up governing your car's function suddenly shutting down and stopping things like the fuel injection system (heart), the central processor (brain) or brakes/transmission (peripheral nervous system adjunct) just stopping and no longer functioning correctly. Since we still do not understand all of the "software" governing the brain, we are at a loss to completely explain why certain systems shut down while others do not. I defer to my esteemed colleage Strat, for more information on emergency medicine. I'm only called in when everything else has failed.
Waiting a second or two will not usually affect the ultimate outcome. Once a brain or heart decides it no longer wants to follow the script, it drops like an independent actor during the studio system in Hollywood circa 1939.
Once a brain or heart decides
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 1:04am.
Classic! I hope I can remember this when the right moment comes along.
While you are called in when the situation is above everyone else's pay grade, I am not called at all. I no longer do inpatient work. I think there is an ER physician or two that frequents NewsBusters who can lend their expertise.
Blonde:
Concerning your question about apparent seizure activity in public, asking your physician is always a recommended first resource. You may of course Google "Seizure what to do", or something similar, to get some general information from responsible websites like WebMD, Mayo Clinic or other worthy institutions. Here is a simple First Aid for Seizures from the Cleveland Clinic. Unless you are knowledgeable about the person's condition and have been instructed by their physician on what to do, I think it reasonable for laypeople to call 911 ASAP as there may be unknowns with potentially catastrophic results if treatment is delayed. For instance, it might not be feasible to keep a stopwatch on how long a seizure has been going on or know if there is head trauma which caused the stranger their seizure. Better to tell the on-scene EMS squad "thanks but no thank you" than to wish you had called them.
One storyline on Yahoo News
Submitted by MikeB on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 8:17pm.
One storyline on Yahoo News is that Bryson suffered "some kind of seizure". I did not read the article, but I have to wonder if the seizure was triggered by alcohol or by another drug. Given the propensities of pResident CHOOM, I also wonder if Bryson was on his way to meet up with Barry for a party. I suppose if election strategies or economic stategies were to be discussed, it could be a Party party.
Private Sector Fine? No, better.
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 8:56pm.
At least according to the Baltimore Sun (my local paper).I've got a nice debate going with some dude over there in the comments, if anyone is inclined to check it out. The commentors are really few there since I hink most of the Sun's readership hasn't yet caught up to the computer age. I only comment because I see there posts on Twitter, and some just need a sense of balance. Read this piece and you'll know why.
It's pointless, BK
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:24pm.
Obama shills.
Idiots.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
The shill,
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:33pm.
Still thinks folks are getting paid $5 for a twelve hour day,,,,,,,,,, I never pay more then 3
UPDATE
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:35pm.
That debate (mentioned above) is ongoing. I presented a BLS chart to show Obama's job creation has most often not kept up with population growth. This, being the chart I used in my argument.
I wanted to give you a sense of what I'm dealing with here. The guy/gal I'm debating (who claims to be a tax attorney) countered my chart from the BLS with one of his own that supposedly shows that Obama's job creation has outpaced population growth since November 2010. Here's his chart.
I'm not kidding.
Tax attorney.
Pfffffffffffft.
There was a young lawyer on line
Submitted by cocodrie on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 9:50pm.
There was a young lawyer on line
who thought he was right all the time
but on a conservative sight
he could never be right
"cause he went so far left he went blind.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Hands Down Father of the Year
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 10:55pm.
Click here.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
That works for me, too.
Submitted by GW on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 8:15am.
Here's a candidate of a different sort, but IMHO no less heroic:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/an-exceptional-man-vietnamese-man-adopt...
For Killa, All Guitar Players, And
Submitted by stratman on Mon, 06/11/2012 - 11:50pm.
Anyone else who has had their luggage borked by an airline. Received this as an email so don't know the source.
Not to be missed -- Hitler Finds Out United Breaks Guitars
strat*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:34pm.
My husband is a guitar player and has the things all over the house. I showed him the video you linked. He was still laughing this morning. With this new computer technology, "consumers" have more power than ever before....LOL
Cajun
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 06/12/2012 - 3:59pm.
I knew I liked you for some reason - you tolerate us guitar players. ;-)
If you play guitar then you are going to like the videos. Like the Cajun Chef would say - Guaranteed!