Open Thread: The Political Consequences of Obama's Gay Marriage Announcement
Today's starter topic: What are the political implications of President Obama revealing his support for gay marriage? In terms of fund-raising, it appears that it will be helpful to him. Former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel declared that "gays are the next Jews of fundraising" and it's well-known by now how many rich gay Democrats have witheld financial support from Obama in protest of their idea that he hasn't done enough for them.
Outside of the money game, Obama's revelation of his long-held position in favor of gay marriage legalization isn't likely to be as helpful to him or Democrats generally. Democratic senators up for reelection have already distanced themselves from Obama's pronouncement. North Carolina, a state which had voted for Obama in 2008, just last week passed an amendment to its constitution banning gay marriage.
The Associated Press has a good piece out today on the possible state-by-state implications. Besides, North Carolina, several swing states have taken measures banning gay marriage:
• Colorado: Voters passed a referendum in 2006 banning same-sex marriage. Last week, Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper recalled legislators to consider legislation allowing civil unions.
• Florida: Voters passed a referendum in 2008 making state-recognized marriage between a man and a woman.
• Iowa: The Iowa Supreme Court in 2009 unanimously struck down the state's statutory ban on gay marriage. Opponents of the decision mounted a campaign that ousted three of the justices in a 2010 retention vote.
• Nevada: The state adopted a constitutional amendment in 2002 banning gay marriage.
• New Hampshire: A legislative effort failed narrowly this year to repeal a 2007 law allowing state-recognized same-sex partnerships.
• North Carolina: A referendum passed by a wide margin Tuesday banning gay marriage.
• Ohio: The state passed a referendum in 2004 banning gay marriage.
• Virginia: It ratified a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage in 2006.
Then there is the question of black voters, the majority of whom oppose same-sex marriage. No one expects them to suddenly turn around and vote for Mitt Romney, however, Obama's decision to support a political position so at odds with traditional Christianity will likely make some black pastors less likely to support him publicly.
The White House is clearly concerned about the potential of this happening which is why it set up a conference call just two hours following his announcement between the president and a number of black clergy:
About two hours after declaring his support for same-sex marriage last week, President Obama gathered eight or so African-American ministers on a conference call to explain himself. He had struggled with the decision, he said, but had come to believe it was the right one.
The ministers, though, were not all as enthusiastic. A vocal few made it clear that the president’s stand on gay marriage might make it difficult for them to support his re-election. [...]
In taking on same-sex marriage, Mr. Obama made a point of couching his views in religious terms. “We’re both practicing Christians,” the president said of his wife and himself in the ABC News interview in which he discussed his new views. “And obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others.”
He added that what he thought about was “not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf but it’s also the golden rule, you know? Treat others the way you would want to be treated.”
After the interview, Mr. Obama hit the phones. Among those he called was one of the religious leaders he considers a touchstone, the Rev. Joel C. Hunter, the pastor of a conservative megachurch in Florida.
“Some of the faith communities are going to be afraid that this is an attack against religious liberty,” Mr. Hunter remembered telling the president.
“Absolutely not,” Mr. Obama insisted. “That’s not where we’re going, and that’s not what I want.”
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Tactical Victory, but He Loses The War
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:01pm.
He'll see a gush of cash in the short term, but in the long term, overall, it's a loser. He's just basically told the black community he doesn't care how they feel about this issue, too bad, suck it up, vote for me anyway.
I can't wait to be rid of this fakir.
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all but admitted it
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:13pm.
He's all but admitted that he's gay himself and there's far too many things to say otherwise.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to really come out of the closet and say that's what he is and his wife and kids are just mere props. He's fooled a lot of the Americans already, the more fool they.
But it would fit his pattern to continue this folly no matter what the American people say, he will push through and to hell with anyone else that might have a dissenting opinion. Again, nothing new there.
He literally is the type of person who will do what he wants, come hell or high water or die trying.
-Jon
It's Biden's fault!
Submitted by deadeyedan on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:56pm.
Joe Blow opened up a can of worms for Oblunder. Whether The One is gay or not (and the rumors are nearly at a level that surrounded Slick Willy's dalliances) could not stop our domestic liberal juggernaut from pushing him to the brink despite his having to save face in the Muslim community, which stridently opposes anything gay.
He keeps trying to appease the Muslim world into thinking he's with them but the Marxist leanings he treasures most are what drives him. Which means I've got news for all you Islamists: when he takes over completely that atheist part of his "religion" will be the undoing of your right to worship your "Allah".
And as you suggest, Blonde, he knows whose vote he has all wrapped up almost no matter what.
LIBERALISM - government of the people by the theories and for the ideologists
So the money and votes
Submitted by misterbee241 on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 1:25pm.
of gays are more important to him than those of black Christians and Muslims.
And I sort of think Joe did what he was sent out to do - float a trial balloon and break the ice for Obama 's coming out.
We also aren't hearing
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:13pm.
how this announcement will affect the supposedly-conservative voters of Spanish descent (it's my understanding that Hispanic and Latino aren't favored, self-identifying terms).
Oh yeah, how 'bout them Mooooooslems?
There's not enough
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:41pm.
There's not enough mooooooooooooooslems to matter for Boy Baraka, and they don't have the money that the gays and Hollywood has either. I don't even think that those dopes in Hollywood know that they just got scammed last weekend, to tell you the truth. Barry just uses whatever and whoever he can to get what he wants - but the only person he really cares about it himself - and his handlers, who seem to have him trained perfectly.
ButtBoy Baraka didn't change a damn thing - in reality - but he sure got a bunch of people excited about it anyway, which is typical for him and the kind of people who support him. 'Much ado about nothing'.
And now that he has proclaimed this latest charage (well, I"m not sure if his own gayness is a charade - but the whole publicity behind it is), I doubt that he'll spend much, if any, time on it from here on out.....................it's on to the next scam, the next bait and switch, the next charade, and the next scheme.
I happily self-identify as Latino.
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 1:25pm.
"Latino" is considered a more inclusive term, as the term "Hispanic" would not include those people who come from Portuguese heritage, such as Brazilians. Since my family is from the north of Argentina and includes both Spanish and Portuguese bloodlines (along with native Indio), "Latino" more properly describes both Mrs. Sam and I versus "Hispanic".
Most of the Latino community is socially conservative when it comes to the definition of marriage. It is the majority that are Catholic, and marriage is maintained as a sacrament and thus considerably different than just a social contract. There are some Protestant Latino churches that do not maintain marriage as a sacrament within their official theology constructs, but nonetheless marriage remains a deeply religious matter in those parts of the Latino community.
My wife and I had coffee with our priest after Mass yesterday, and he said the Church authorities are deeply troubled over the President's decision, as they see it as another way to challenge the faithful. I was hardly surprised, and our priest added that this "change of heart", coming on top of the contraception decision, has everyone feeling like the Church is under siege.
Just an informal question among some of our friends at Church who voted for Obama indicates they will be not be supporting his reelection because of the gay marriage issue AND the contraception issue.
Excellent point Dr. Sam!
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 3:16pm.
Marriage is a Sacrament!
From The Catholic Encyclopedia ( http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09707a.htm ):
“That Christian marriage (i.e. marriage between baptized persons) is really a sacrament of the New Law in the strict sense of the word is for all Catholics an indubitable truth.
According to the Council of Trent this dogma has always been taught by the Church, and is thus defined in canon i, Sess. XXIV: "If any one shall say that matrimony is not truly and properly one of the Seven Sacraments of the Evangelical Law, instituted by Christ our Lord, but was invented in the Church by men, and does not confer grace, let him be anathema."
I guess a lot of politicians who claim to be “Catholic” (or Christians) do not understand the meaning of ‘indubitable truth’ … I’m just not sure that the ‘anathema vote’ will be enough to put Obummer over the top.
- Grump :o)
In the Baptist Church we
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 4:04pm.
In the Baptist Church we don't have sacrament but we do hold marriage as sacred. Most wedding ceremonies I have attended the pastor tells the couple that marriage is sacred and not to be entered into lightly. Had a pastor one time told me that if courts would require pastoral conseling before a divorce decree is granted there may be a lot less.
Dr. Sam~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 4:18pm.
Well, that's encouraging -- the not voting for Obama part I mean.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
I say let the gays give all their cash along with Hollywierd
Submitted by nonncom on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:17pm.
then watch it all go up in smoke when he loses....
I guarantee one consequence
Submitted by StarAZ on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:31pm.
Endless pix of Obama holding hands with the missus and group hugs as the family goes to church. Talk about clinging!
I wonder if
Submitted by NC Boy on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:39pm.
Clinton will loan him that gigantic Bible he carried after the Lewinsky affair became public?
The Styrofoam bible?
Submitted by CarlosS on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:43pm.
Wonder if that giant bible was a styrofoam prop?
It's All About The Money
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:55pm.
The Obama knows He will not be reelected. So, since He gets to keep all of the campaign money He can raise, He is going after the money. He will live a life of luxury on His donors' dollars after He is forced to leave the White House.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
Bad Move for Team Obama
Submitted by Conservator on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 12:52pm.
Of the nine states that Real Clear Politics labeled as toss-ups are:
Arizona
Colorado
Florida
Iowa
Missouri
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Virginia
Of these nine, I believe Obama's 'evolution on gay marriage' will ALL be carried by Romney with the exception of Colorado.
In addition, those states which presently lean-toward-Obama, Nevada and New Mexico now may also be won by Romney. It should be noted that Romney leaning states will not be hurt by his view on gay marriage (Georgia, Indiana, Montana and South Carolina).
This was a strategic error on the part of Team Obama.
So BO cites his
Submitted by east tennessee john on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 1:28pm.
So BO cites his "Christianity", which of course he's never defined. I wonder what the black liberation theology take is on homosexuality. We know what Islam's is.
Another Jesus
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 1:59pm.
Just remember when Obama invokes the name of Jesus he is talking about that other Jesus that Paul warned us of in 2 Cor 11:4
He's not a black liberationist
Submitted by NC Boy on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 2:03pm.
And he's also not a Muslim. He's a secular humanist, which is just as much a religion as any of the others. The only difference is the object of worship - man in this case. And in his case, one particular man.
I hope this
Submitted by misterbee241 on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 1:29pm.
turns out to be a really bad investment for gays and Hollywood.
Oh Really???
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 1:45pm.
“Some of the faith communities are going to be afraid that this is an attack against religious liberty,” Mr. Hunter remembered telling the president."
“Absolutely not,” Mr. Obama insisted. “That’s not where we’re going, and that’s not what I want.”
And you believe that?
Take from my experience up here. When it comes to SSM, the politicos will LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH!
Anybody that takes Owebambam's word on this issue after all that he's done up to now is so seriously naive and gullible to the point that they're disfunctional.
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
This was all about raising money
Submitted by c5then on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 1:53pm.
The constituency that he is playing to here are almost all activist and have more disposable income than the average "family".
This was to help him raise more money for his campaign and the DNC in general.
However it is not going to help him in the election. IMO, those who are in favor of this decision would have voted for Obama anyway. Those against it are more split. I think the initial poll of undecided voters shows that 13% said they are more likely to vote for Obama now, but 25% said they are less likely.
I think whan all is said and done on November 7, 2012, we will see that Obama has spent the most money in history to lose a presidential election.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
IMHO
Submitted by amyshulk on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 1:57pm.
O and his team are betting on racist rednecks to do something/anything that the lapdog media can then conflate to get O the sympathy vote.
Ronald Reagan
The "Political Implications" Of Barry's Gay Embrace...?
Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 2:05pm.
1. Mo' Money
2. Mo' Money
3. Mo' Money.
This wasn't courageous. Nothing but yet another scam from the Liar-in-Chief to free up some Homo-Bucks that are being withheld.
The Obamination... A crisis leading to a catastrophe..(please donate to MRC)
I wonder if President Liberace will chime in on this:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 2:13pm.
Iran schedules necktie party for 4 homosexuals.
He will.........when.....
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 4:40pm.
He starts chiming in on the people fighting against the clerics in hopes of getting freedom which is about......never.
Funny how he tries to be a good little Muslim even though by definitions of their own tenets he is a bad Muslim. I won't even begin to characterize him with any other religion.
-Jon
Romney should declare that it
Submitted by billb on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 2:29pm.
Romney should declare that it is more important that Gays have jobs before legal marital status.
HYPOCRITE
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 3:35pm.
hyp·o·crite /noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Look at who's picture appears next to the entry in the dictionary
http://hosted.ap.org/photos/3/3dce5977-435a-467b-aba3-447f317395d7-small...
He has the nerve to come to NC and talk about us?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BLOOMBERG_UNC_COMMENCEMENT?SIT...
Sorry~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 5:07pm.
Wrong thread.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
24/7 gay marriage coverage
Submitted by GregE on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 6:18pm.
The other non-issues were calming down. Had to grab a new on the list. Mission accomplished.
This is pretty cool
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 05/14/2012 - 8:17pm.
Something interesting I found a link to over at Neal Boortz's website.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Link~
Submitted by GG_NB on Tue, 05/15/2012 - 1:11pm.
Wish I could post this on every thread, to remind us that all the fear we are seeing (with the MSM displays and O's apparent desperation) shows us there is hope:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/15/alarm-grows-among-dems-about-...
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
I just saw on Drudge
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 05/15/2012 - 11:17pm.
The day after Zimmerman shot Trayvon, Z had a broken nose, two black eyes, scalp lacerations, and a back injury. Interesting.
I saw that too, Rad.
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 05/16/2012 - 1:14am.
I just hope it doesn't resurrect Van Lynchmo.
"He later told officers his head was being pounded into the pavement and that he feared for his life, but that it was only when Martin seemed to reach for the gun wedges in his waistband that Zimmerman drew his weapon and fired directly into Martin's chest -- killing him". This from ABC News.
The prosecution says that Martin broke no laws, so it's Zimmerman's fault. But, I don't believe that Zimmerman broke any laws, either.
And Trayvon had bloody knuckles
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 05/16/2012 - 8:47am.
This case is going to be a horrific thing thanks to the media and Sharpton for deciding it without all of this evidence.
And Trayvon had bloody knuckles
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 05/16/2012 - 8:47am.
This case is going to be a horrific thing thanks to the media and Sharpton for deciding it without all of this evidence.
North Carolina: Romney 51% ObamAA+ 43% per Rasmussen
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 05/16/2012 - 9:23am.
Team ObamAA+ is going to be in full panic today.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
What I just don't get is, who
Submitted by NC Cop on Wed, 05/16/2012 - 9:24am.
What I just don't get is, who are these 43%????? I mean, what exactly do they see in the last 4 years that says "Re-elect Obama!!".
Unreal.