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Ya....you mean liberals out
June 27, 2008 - 17:09 ET by charlietexasYa....you mean liberals out there!!!!
mom
What do you mean by calling
June 27, 2008 - 17:13 ET by ckc1227What do you mean by calling out?
As in
June 27, 2008 - 17:20 ET by Matthew Sheffieldstating "So-and-so, you are a schmuck..."
What if so-and-so IS a
June 27, 2008 - 17:29 ET by Roger the ShrubberWhat if so-and-so IS a schmuck?
Wouldn't we be doing a public service?
Even so
June 27, 2008 - 17:38 ET by Matthew SheffieldWe don't need to hear it.
NB is a community of people with widely differing personalities and political opinions and as such is no place for personal insults.
So, just so we are all on
June 27, 2008 - 17:48 ET by Roger the ShrubberSo, just so we are all on the same page, all our posts will now be subject to censoring, deletion, and possible banning?
Will there be some sort of guidelines on how to act on this website?
I have to admit (and I am POSITIVE I am not alone)...this is very distressing.
Roger
June 27, 2008 - 19:07 ET by Captain KirockWhat gives you the right to say Nee at will to old ladies?
There is a pestilence on this land, nothing is sacred.
In penance.....
June 27, 2008 - 19:25 ET by OldSailor88I DEMAND A SHRUBBERY!!
Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis
You gather more flies with
June 27, 2008 - 23:11 ET by lotrYou gather more flies with honey than vinegar. Focus on content, not persons. Hate the sin, love the sinner....
I don't Matt has said anything about censorship, but rather upholding etiquette -- this applies online just as much as face to face. Resorting to personal attacks is to descend to the level of the hysterical Left.
Matt, do you mean like in
June 27, 2008 - 17:22 ET by bassndudeMatt, do you mean like in "High Noon"? Or maybe Bill Hickock fashion?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
OK Richard, I totally
June 27, 2008 - 17:42 ET by RukusOK Matthew, I totally respect you so I will abide. But, uh, what am I abiding to? I really like the things I read here. Especially calling out the trolls, other NB'ers are better than I am 'cause I'm still a newbie, but I don't see anything really nasty (unless they deserve it!). I'll abibe by the rules but is there something that we are doing that is wrong?? I'll follow the rules to a tee but I really don't see anyone beinig overboard. Is there a particular exchange! I probably missed it. I try to be understandable (is that a word?) when possibe as everyone else here. We are all respectful as far as I see. I guess I'm missing a point somewhere. Respect is the point as far as I can see. If I (we) are missing the point somewhere then I am sure we can apapt. I'm speaking for myself, but, I feel that everyone I have read here are very respectful folks! Yes, there are some trolls that set some off, but that is reasonable. I think I may be confused, if I am then forgive me. Just wonderin'...
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
I'm callin' you out!
June 27, 2008 - 18:02 ET by Army BratIn 1964, at my Elementary school here in Alaska, that was how you threw down the gauntlet..so to speak.
I'm not sure if this is the kind of, "calling out", that's being referenced here. I doubt it.
Mebbe...name calling?
Ahhh... I like the edit feature.
So if a Bozo gets on the bus with a huge red wig and a big ole red rubber nose, over-sized shoes etc...one should refrain from calling him a clown?
I mean...I understand what you're saying...civility is in short supply.
Generally speaking, judging by the language I see at Lib sites vs. the language I see at Conservative sites, it would appear that we Conservatives have civility in greater abundance. I have no problem remaining civil in the face of...overly enthused individuals.
But...when a clown is a clown and pretends to be something else...what's a man spoda do?
On the other hand...
Most often, I ignore barkin' dogs. To bark back is kinda stupid.
Happy Trails...
Sorry, Matt. I don't get it
June 27, 2008 - 17:45 ET by QueenMumSorry, Matt. I don't get it either. Can you please expand for those of us who aren't quite on the same level intellectually?
I am curious as why this
June 27, 2008 - 17:49 ET by Dan The Man 2I am curious as why this was posted by yall, has the conversations gotten out of bounds recently? I imagine yall would have the coversation of the level of decency and civility like around an office coffee break? Can we still call some yahoo a troll or an idiot or do we have to put it more subtley?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I am pretty sure he is refering to
June 27, 2008 - 17:54 ET by JTPthe people whom are not of the same opinion as most of those on here. It is obvious that some come here to try and incite a silly argument. It is best to ignore the blatant attempts to engage in childish arguments with them. It just means they have gotten through to you and it makes them feel more powerful.
The main reason I come to this fantastic site is to get myself more informed and aware and glad that I am not alone in many of my beliefs.
If the cussing and name calling continues, this site will become indistinguishable from most of the left leaning blogs out there.
I am all for keeping this one civil and intelligent.
Just my 2cents
The 2ND Amendment exists to secure the rest
I think the request, very
June 27, 2008 - 17:54 ET by TheCitizenI think the request, very simply, is to refrain from Ad Hominem attacks. If you're compelled to call attention to a factual inaccuracy then do so with facts and logic, not pejorative.
Even if some attention-starved Daily Kos-type decides to troll Newsbusters and antagonize it is best to ignore them completely. They like to start fights, and they enjoy validating themselves through self-righteous condescension. They want us to respond. Deny them of that.
Let the liberals have a monopoly trafficking in hostility and irreverance. Keep the discourse well above the line of civility.
TheCitizen , You expressed it much better than I did.
June 27, 2008 - 17:58 ET by JTPWell said
The 2ND Amendment exists to secure the rest
sooooo...never mind,
June 27, 2008 - 18:12 ET by Rukussooooo...never mind, lefties won't listen, hear, read, etc. Nuff said!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Nah, we said the exact same
June 27, 2008 - 19:06 ET by TheCitizenNah, we said the exact same thing, I'm just predisposed to sounding more like a pretentious ass. I think it's a symptom of being something of a pretentious ass : )
Thanks for the compliment. Very much appreciated.
They want us to respond. Deny them of that.
June 27, 2008 - 18:31 ET by allamericangirlI think it is safe to say that most people have heard the old saying
"Opinions are like butts and everyone has one." (the cleaned up version)
So they would prefer us not to be one when we give ours. I'm cool with that.
If attacted by some crazed liberal on the basis of our opinion
we could think of it as a badge of honer and just thank them for making our day.
"Liberalism is a mental disorder" -Michael Savage
aag, I am conflicted
June 27, 2008 - 18:40 ET by Chris Normanaag,
I am conflicted between the notion of not giving some of these liberal bomb throwers the validation of a response and the fear that, by not responding, they might be left to believe that their comment was so correct that no one here had a response, you know what I mean?
I'm not talking about
June 27, 2008 - 18:43 ET by Matthew Sheffieldbehavior toward trolls.
We prefer that trolls be reported and banned but we understand that a lot of NBers like a good flambé now and then.
The disputes in this discussion are intra-right arguments that are getting too personal. I don't want to name any names so that is why I'm not giving any details.
Yikes, I hope it's not me to
June 27, 2008 - 18:47 ET by Chris NormanYikes, I hope it's not me to whom you refer. I'm just a teddy bear. :)
A good flambe?
June 27, 2008 - 19:07 ET by BlondeGotcha....so it's okay to continue skewer the trolls (well, I try to never call them idiots to their faces, rather to just kind of let them point it out themselves).
I agree, name calling gets a bit out of hand, occasionally, but I think the regulars here are capable of defending themselves.
Agreed, though, personal insults should be out-of-bounds. But I must say, I laugh when someone resorts to personally insulting me, it means I've won. I shall try my very, very best not to personally and directly insult anyone other than trolls.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
so then i get to keep
June 27, 2008 - 19:52 ET by botgthis tagline?:
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
Hey C N
June 27, 2008 - 19:03 ET by allamericangirlThere are a lot of good points here including yours.
I must admit I am a bit demented and rather enjoy reading some of these conversations that are now being deemed as inappropriate.
I will be interested in how the NB staff clarifies this issue.
They really do need to clarify what they mean because there are different degrees of offence.
When is a line being crossed?
Haha. Good point. That is
June 27, 2008 - 20:07 ET by TheCitizenGood point. I know EXACTLY what you mean. That is why we respond I guess. We want to make sure that they know just how wrong they are. I find myself doing it all the time. But I think we all know, not very deep down, that even if we gave them the logical beating of a lifetime they will never, even in the face of a mountain range of evidence against them, rescind their positions. They are driven by emotion. Logic has never been a concern of theirs, nor shall it ever be.
Citizen. . .
June 27, 2008 - 20:14 ET by tracheostomyThere are some users here though (even conservatives) that don't believe in concepts of logical; objective "right" or "wrong," "law of non-contradiction" etcetera.
So then what do we do?
Coddle them?
-PJ
Exactly.
June 27, 2008 - 23:14 ET by lotrExactly.
Sometimes it's good to call
June 27, 2008 - 18:14 ET by the strugglerSometimes it's good to call a fool a fool.
Maybe we can do it by request.Ha!
I have no idea what Matt is
June 27, 2008 - 18:29 ET by msh1973I have no idea what Matt is talking about...I must have missed something.
Focus, people.
June 27, 2008 - 18:31 ET by Mike BrattonThis is supposed to be an arena of ideas. It's not rocket science to focus on the ideas rather than the individual(s) advancing them.
After all, do you really expect to persuade people of the truth of your position when you've just tossed some snide ad-hom bomb in their general direction?
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport.com
Agreed. “There are no
June 27, 2008 - 19:04 ET by NewsbusterbrownAgreed.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Sounds Like CYA
June 27, 2008 - 18:32 ET by CaringwhiteguyMatthew-Is it possible some disgruntled person has threatened litigation and your warning is CYA for NB? Please help us understand.
No, it's nothing to do
June 27, 2008 - 18:39 ET by Matthew Sheffieldw/legal threats. A few posters have been attacking each other too personally is all.
We don't like the conversation here to degrade into attacks, especially when the people involved are long-time members who are known by everyone as non-trolls.
Hey, I'm all about civil
June 27, 2008 - 18:33 ET by BlazerHey, I'm all about civil discourse and debate but I also loves me a good troll-smackdown. I realise that we should allow the left to have the monopoly on angry vulgar ridden hateful speech, but I think sometimes that is our weakness, vis-a-vis our GOP leaderships failure to call out the liberal trolls on Capitol Hill for fear of getting pigeon holed or getting branded with an -ist or an -ism.
At any rate being kind conservatives as of late hasn't won us any seats in the Senate or the House and it very well likely wont' lead to getting a conservative elected to Potus or Scotus.
Imho when the facts and logic are dispensed, when all else fails start swinging. With that said, I'll try to enjoy my experience and be on my best behavior at the "New and Improved", "Kindler and Gentler" NewsBusters just the same.
Now, anyone want to help me lay out the red carpet and pass out the hors d'oeuvres for the next round of DKOS and Huffpo trolls ?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I was called an idiot the other night
June 27, 2008 - 18:36 ET by jefflebowskiby a gay guy who owns a cat. Does that count?
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
jeff... Only if you ate
June 27, 2008 - 18:40 ET by Clear thinkerjeff...
Only if you ate his cat!
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Uh-oh. I'm a gay guy with a
June 27, 2008 - 19:07 ET by Cureboy675Uh-oh. I'm a gay guy with a cat. I hope you don't mean me. But I don't think I've ever called anybody a name (though the reverse of that hasn't always been the case). But I've never been in to name-calling. And I don't come here purposely trying to rile people up. I just sometimes like to try and provide a different point of view. Sometimes it gets heated, but I don't like flat-out insulting somebody.
By the way Clear Thinker, I picked up a box of "Kitten Helper". I'm going with Pussycat Parmesan tonight.
Cureboy,
June 27, 2008 - 19:12 ET by BlondeNah....try the tacos. Mmmmm.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
B
June 27, 2008 - 19:56 ET by botgcheck PM
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
Cureboy... It may help
June 27, 2008 - 20:48 ET by Clear thinkerCureboy...
It may help you if you were to keep in mind that alot of us (I won't name them) have a problem with gays, so right from the start we are going to be suspicious. Also keep in mind that most of those same people hate the sin, not the sinner. But I think I can safely say that all of us have no problem with you being here. If you post with respect, you will get it back two-fold. The ones that get into trouble here are the ones that come here to purposely piss us off, and to date, I don't think I have seen that from you. So thanks and have fun posting.
BTW... I like my cat BBQ'd.
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Cureboy, Cats, And Insults
June 27, 2008 - 23:55 ET by zeestephenGays are being insulted at NewsBusters?
I'm confused.
I thought this was a gay website.
It's the only reason I read it.
Cureboy, it wasn't you..it was someone else
June 27, 2008 - 23:17 ET by jefflebowskiI've enjoyed our conversations and found you to be a very easy person to talk to. Take care.
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
Cb...same here if you don't
June 27, 2008 - 23:21 ET by bigtimerCb...same here if you don't already know that by now.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Cureboy, as long as it is one cat. Maybe two.
June 27, 2008 - 23:22 ET by R D HelmLOL-If it is 47 cats, well...
:-O
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Foot Tapping
June 27, 2008 - 22:52 ET by WesenYea, there was some foot tapping going on. As for me, I don't have a square to spare. If a person wants the kind of site Matt's warning about, go to drudge.com and roll with the pigs.
Sorry, I'm not familiar with
June 27, 2008 - 19:08 ET by TheCitizenSorry, I'm not familiar with how these things post. See below (I think...)
Isn't that sort of thing
June 27, 2008 - 18:36 ET by NL207Isn't that sort of thing what the woodshed is for?
Correct me if I'm wrong but
June 27, 2008 - 18:39 ET by BlazerCorrect me if I'm wrong but several months back Matt also had a problem with a heated theological discussion that was taking place over in the woodshed.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
That is for
June 27, 2008 - 18:40 ET by Matthew Sheffielddisagreements (even heated ones).
Insults are not appropriate anywhere.
Matthew... I totaly
June 27, 2008 - 18:46 ET by Clear thinkerMatthew...
I totaly understand you wanting this site to be a cut above others, and I will abide by this new rule, but I gotta ask you... what do we do when attacked? Are we to quietly wimper off into the night?
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Don't be silly
June 27, 2008 - 21:28 ET by Hero SquadWhen it gets I recommend simply using the response John Lennon wrote to a letter in Rolling Stone magazine, which accused him of backmasking on the song "Across the Universe":
"Don't be silly."
It's polite, succinct, and it uses a liberal icon against them.
I agree completely with Matt's request... I believe this to be a widely monitored site now, and we posters ultimately shape the perception of what type of discourse is going on here.
Personally, I'd like Newsbusters to be known as a place with well-written and researched essays that support the mission of the site, with an open forum that allows people with differing opinions to share their views in insightful, sometime humorous, often clever ways.
Even when I disagree with you, I think the conversation should end as if we could easily move on from that point to discussing sports or how the kids drove us nuts today, while ordering another round of brews.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
How 'bout this
June 27, 2008 - 18:40 ET by the struggler: Insert Name-Calling Political Tirade here :
A time out
June 27, 2008 - 19:02 ET by JTPAnd no TV for 2 days should be appropriate.
Or as my Dad would say when fighting with one of my 7 brothers:
"DONT MAKE ME PULL OVER!!! I BROUGHT THE TIRE IRON"
People, people,
June 27, 2008 - 19:01 ET by RESTLESS 1If you'll direct your attention over here, I think you'll understand.
Mind you, the thread was not intended to lay blame, just a call for civility between respected members.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Okay, having read the
June 27, 2008 - 19:01 ET by Indiana JoeOkay, having read the comments to this point, let's see if I have this figured out:
Matt doesn't seem to have a problem with troll flambe. Responding to arguments is not prohibited. Ad hominems are bad, m'kay? I can agree with that. As much as you might want to call someone being purposely obtuse a "chowderhead," or even an "a$$hole," nothing is accomplished by such, and it just reflects poorly on us all.
Plus, it seems that the incident which spurred this little request was between two long-time, non-troll members. I have a guess as to at least one of them, but that's irrelevant. Suffice to say I've been sometimes amazed at the venom on display here occasionally. It can get pretty ugly between certain posters.
In short, I think true trolls are still fair game, within reason. But instead of more... "colorful"... language, maybe we need to stick to "not very smart," or "misinformed," or other less inflammatory labels. Leave the invective to HuffPo and the Koskids.
I believe Matt is bothered
June 27, 2008 - 19:08 ET by NewsbusterbrownI believe Matt is bothered by an ongoing feud between a member from our side and another who sides with us half the time (hint! hint!). I may be wrong, however.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
But is okay to say....
June 27, 2008 - 19:10 ET by Blondesomething like "don't be an a$$hat"? Where do we draw the line? Obtuse, thick, stubborn, what?
Some people clearly are....and one can subtly remind them of that fact by a statement like that.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde... I keep
June 27, 2008 - 20:09 ET by Clear thinkerBlonde...
I keep wondering... should I stop refering to j. frank wilson as an as*hole?
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Clear......Thanks for the assist last night.....
June 27, 2008 - 20:33 ET by BEGRUNTMy years as a police officer compelled me to respond to that nonsense. I hope to god, you know who, never has to experience such a heinous crime. I still have nightmares over what I've seen, and nothing ever got to me like a victimized child.....I could never handle that.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
BEGRUNT... No problem.
June 27, 2008 - 20:39 ET by Clear thinkerBEGRUNT...
No problem. You-know-who would rather make excuses for another self loathing, egotistical ___tard.
We have a duty to protect children, and it goes far beyond any ideological argument that liberals can make up.
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How about Richard
June 27, 2008 - 20:12 ET by jgarciaHow about Richard Cranium? It would at least give them something to think about for a while… LOL
Or
June 27, 2008 - 20:42 ET by Eileen RightFrommage Richard?
Honest, I went to college
June 27, 2008 - 21:33 ET by Hero SquadHonest, I went to college with a "Richard Head." He was a very upright fellow, who I'm pretty sure had no idea what that might translate into. Heavens knows his parents didn't have a clue.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Hero... Did he have one
June 27, 2008 - 21:37 ET by Clear thinkerHero...
Did he have one eye?
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No, but he always wore a
June 27, 2008 - 21:47 ET by Hero SquadNo, but he always wore a turtle neck.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Did he spit alot? 45
June 27, 2008 - 21:50 ET by Clear thinkerDid he spit alot?
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Probably got a lot of
June 28, 2008 - 00:30 ET by RESTLESS 1Probably got a lot of spankings..... behind the ears. :>O
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
That was a great laugh......
June 27, 2008 - 21:54 ET by jgarciaThat was a great laugh...... I am wondering though... were his parents that clueless? I know a few people who had parents with a warp since of humor....my son is lucky his father stepped in when we were naming him =) Didn't help in the end... his first and last name matched a nasty stand up comic/movie actor who had a short career, my son thought this was so cool in middle school!
Nice...
June 27, 2008 - 21:42 ET by jgarciaI have to remember this one.....
"As much as you might want
June 27, 2008 - 19:14 ET by RESTLESS 1"As much as you might want to call someone being purposely obtuse a "chowderhead," or even an "a$$hole,"
Boy, I'm sure glad I would never do anything like that.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Damn
June 27, 2008 - 19:08 ET by the strugglerSo Chowderhead is out?
I will still use rapscallion
June 27, 2008 - 19:09 ET by NewsbusterbrownI will still use rapscallion and knave!
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Ha!
June 27, 2008 - 19:09 ET by the strugglerWhat about Pinhead?
Are you Bill
June 27, 2008 - 19:16 ET by NewsbusterbrownAre you Bill O'Reilly?
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Blazer, I share your
June 27, 2008 - 19:13 ET by TheCitizenBlazer, I share your sentiments. Sometimes the need arises
to call a spade a spade and a dullard a dullard. However, my point was that it
should not be done HERE, at Newsbusters.
The distinction, I believe, can be found in the location.
When Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid lie in their rhetoric (as is their
predilection) Republicans leaders should expose them for what they are, and
decorum be damned if necessary. By comparison, when Code Pink or the 9/11
conspiracy theorists interrupt a Republican's speech, or our National
Convention, to recognize them is to validate them. We as conservatives base our
policy of isolating state-sponsors-of-terrorism on a similar rationale.
When Al Gore lies he does so for profit. When Barack Obama,
Howard Dean and other DNC charlatans lie they do so for power. When possible we
should stand in the way of these people and what they want to gain by way of
these lies. But when people come here their only intention is to poke the bear.
Don't give them what they want.
Furthermore, in the national discussion there is a limited
amount of airtime. On Newsbusters, on the other hand, an entire wall can
quickly become monopolized by the interminable exchanges that are sure to
follow by the simple act of recognizing them. That discourages other members
from adding their 2 cents about the story above, and that's why we're here.
Anyways, that was just MY 2 cents. I'll come down off my soap box now...
I feel ya' for the most
June 27, 2008 - 19:27 ET by BlazerI feel ya' for the most part, but lets keep in mind that throughout history, wars of ideaology sometimes become shooting wars and I like to keep the mentality of a commando when it comes time to stop passing out flowers at the airport. That and the fact that although NB is my favorite of all blogs, I do spend considerable time at LGF and AOSHQ, where no holds barred troll-skewering is welcomed, so sometimes its hard to put down the UZI and bite my tongue (fingers).
At any rate, when in Rome, I try to do as the Romans and although I can get mean as a rattlesnake on crack, I tone it down several notches when I come here.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
What about Boob
June 27, 2008 - 19:13 ET by the strugglerMy mother used to call me a Boob.
"Well,what the hell were you thinkin' ya boob?"---Mom Struggler
Hey Struggler,
June 27, 2008 - 19:17 ET by RESTLESS 1Mother Struggler has more pinache.......Ya boob.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
My grandmother would tell
June 27, 2008 - 19:27 ET by tracheostomyMy grandmother would tell me what her mother told her, "I'm gonna bounce a bowl off your head!"
Then I'd say, "That's okay, we're having Tupperware tonight."
Then she'd get really mad.
I still don't get it. . .
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
We won't mention what Papa
June 27, 2008 - 19:27 ET by the strugglerWe won't mention what Papa Struggler had to say.
I understand the 'high road concept' but censorship?
June 27, 2008 - 19:19 ET by SickofLibsShmuck is over the line? Are we going to have a tribunal established?
It's your site, so you can do what you want, but treating your community like Sister Ignacious' 2nd grade class at St. Mary's School is BS.
NB is THE most civil place on the web among political blogs. With rare exception, adversaries go back and forth with little or no bile. A quick visit to a certain presidential candidate's blog area reveals name-calling and hatred orders of magnitude beyond what can be found at NB even on a bad day.
A few suggestions:
1) dilute your news items to less-inflaming subjects. The reporting is just too good, apparently, and gets everyone too worked up on both sides. Maybe more puppy/kitten got adopted stories.
2) dole out individual warnings for offenses not conforming to the new standards. Ban offenders on an individual basis. Don't use blanket threats like this.
3) Set up a link to provide us an area showcasing some examples of recent posts that are reflective of the 'bad form' you spoke of.
I saw somewhere you guys were in the midst of a site redesign; didn't realize it included a philosophical redesign also.
SoL,
June 27, 2008 - 20:00 ET by Indiana JoeHmm... what else could that stand for? ;^)
I think if you check this out, you'll get an idea of the kind of thing Matthew is talking about.
"NB is THE most civil place on the web among political blogs."
And I just think Matt wants to keep it that way.
Can we use doo-doo
June 27, 2008 - 20:13 ET by Clear thinkerCan we use doo-doo head?
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Cool
June 27, 2008 - 20:20 ET by DelsaI am laughing so hard.
Really, Funnier than doo doo
Nope
June 27, 2008 - 20:14 ET by Delsaaccess denied
Delsa,
June 27, 2008 - 23:48 ET by Indiana JoeWow! Well, it worked when I posted it. Maybe this is Matthew's way of letting bygones be bygones.
Nope,
June 28, 2008 - 00:27 ET by RESTLESS 1The link still works IJ.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Okay, here's my problem.
June 27, 2008 - 19:22 ET by tracheostomyOkay, here's my problem. <--- Note, I'm admitting I have a problem, the first step on the road to recovery.
My problem is I find myself arguing ideas that people find personal and sacred. When I attempt to find honest clarification in certain terms, they reply with, "I find your statements insulting, arrogant, rude, contemptable, lacking humility, etc.,etc."
Then, when I ask why they find it insulting, I only get more anger back. I ask for quotes, clarifications, everything to keep my own nose clean.
I want to be held accountable, but how can I be accountable for an accusation that is being withheld against me?
-PJ
Trach,
June 27, 2008 - 20:29 ET by Indiana JoeI can only speak for myself, and I've never really gone around with you. BUT, you seem to fixate on people's religion a LOT. And you seem to usually challenge their beliefs, and ask for, as you say, quotes and clarifications. In short, you seem to require people to defend their beliefs. So it should be no surprise that they respond, umm.... defensively.
You are obviously very well versed in the Bible. You've spent a lot of time studying it. Not everyone has, but that doesn't make them less righteous. And you seem pretty evangelistic. Sometimes it's like a visit from Jehovah's Witnesses, and we all know how welcome most folks consider them. You don't seem to merely debate, you seem to wish to convert, or at least poke holes in their beliefs.
The thread Restless1 links to above is a case in point. You make a pledge to not "derail" threads with religion unless someone else brings religion up. If so, it sounds like you'll feel free to pounce. The problem with that is, what if a thread is about someone misrepresenting or defaming a particular religion? Will anyone who comments on that end up in a marathon debate, an expectation of being able to quote chapter and verse, along with all analyses going back to the Sermon on the Mount? To me, that's a real debate killer, because I basically try to follow the tenets of my chosen religion. I'm not a biblical scholar. And I don't feel I have to justify it to anyone. And I'm not trying to convert anyone either. If you have a different viewpoint, that's fine by me.
Please notice the emphasis on "seem" in the preceding. These are just my impressions from reading a lot of your posts on religion. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. But that's how it seems to me.
Just my 2 cents, as they say.
IJ,
June 27, 2008 - 21:25 ET by tracheostomyIJ: I can only speak for myself, and I've never really gone around with you. BUT, you seem to fixate on people's religion a LOT. And you seem to usually challenge their beliefs, and ask for, as you say, quotes and clarifications. In short, you seem to require people to defend their beliefs. So it should be no surprise that they respond, umm.... defensively.
Yes. Do you see the difference in what you wrote?
IJ: You are obviously very well versed in the Bible. You've spent a lot of time studying it. Not everyone has, but that doesn't make them less righteous.
Foul ball. That's a theological assertion. I'll let it go though. We're cool.
IJ: And you seem pretty evangelistic. Sometimes it's like a visit from Jehovah's Witnesses, and we all know how welcome most folks consider them. You don't seem to merely debate, you seem to wish to convert, or at least poke holes in their beliefs.
I LOVE JWs coming to my house. Luvluvluv!!! <3
I was even on their visitiation list once! They get cookies and milk and it's a pity they have to leave so early. =(
IJ: The thread Restless1 links to above is a case in point. You make a pledge to not "derail" threads with religion unless someone else brings religion up. If so, it sounds like you'll feel free to pounce. The problem with that is, what if a thread is about someone misrepresenting or defaming a particular religion? Will anyone who comments on that end up in a marathon debate, an expectation of being able to quote chapter and verse, along with all analyses going back to the Sermon on the Mount?
Yep. Fair is fair. Heavy ideas call for heavy-duty arguments. I see 'em do it here with the US constitution and US military code. Why not the Bible?
I do so detest it when the MSM takes religion to such a shallow level and then conservatives respond with nothing more than a potato gun. "Katie Couric has no idea what we _____ists believe." Great man. That's cool. I agree.
What else you got? Got anything more effective than a limp-wristed "nuh-uh" argument? C'mon! You're supposed to have GOD on your side!
You just wanna leave a lame "hit & run" theistic "rah-rah" comment" and then leave everyone guessing then? Hello? Am I making sense?
When do I get to evangelize Katie Couric???
IJ: To me, that's a real debate killer, because I basically try to follow the tenets of my chosen religion. I'm not a biblical scholar. And I don't feel I have to justify it to anyone. And I'm not trying to convert anyone either. If you have a different viewpoint, that's fine by me.
I totally understand that many here don't feel they have to justify it to anyone. Therefore, they don't have to bring it up.
But if you do someday feel the right to assert your religion, how far are you willing to take your professed commitment if/when you feel "attacked" by the secularist?
Also, more importantly, what do you do when/if the radical left ultimately gets their way?
Are you prepared for "plan B" here, Joe? Do I have to spell it out for you?
IJ: Please notice the emphasis on "seem" in the preceding. These are just my impressions from reading a lot of your posts on religion. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. But that's how it seems to me.
I do understand. And contrary to what people think my agenda is, I'm really not out to bully people's religion.
Far-far from it.
Promise.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
See, you just proved my point
June 27, 2008 - 22:58 ET by Indiana JoeNo, I do not "see the difference" within what I wrote. Mysterious condescention.
I also don't get what's a "theological assertion" about saying you're familiar with the Bible. You sure seem to be. Maybe it's the "righteous" remark that you're going to "let go." I happen to believe that someone can be "righteous," even if they don't know every interpretation of every word of the Bible.
So, you "LOVE JWs" visiting. Guess I shouldn't be surprised, you probably give them a good run for their money. But most people do not. People are not required to. Most people don't want to be lectured to or preached to whenever someone else feels it's time for preaching.
No, you are not making sense with your "hit-and-run" comment. When someone mischaractarizes any of our beliefs, a short, simple answer is sometimes best. This is not a site about religious theory; it's a site about media bias, generally political. Katie Couric is not going to read this to get educated about the finer points of Christianity, Judaism, Islam or any other religion. You want to "evangelize" Katie Couric, drop her a line. Your attempting to stand-in for her is not "fair," it's just being a theological bully.
And, contrary to what you seem to believe, no one has to justify to you or anyone why they hold certain beliefs. You cannot lay down rules about when or how someone chooses to bring up their religious affiliation. Not your call. As to your not "bullying" folks about their religion, well, that's purely a matter of perspective and opinion. "Foul ball."
As I said, you merely prove my point with your condescending attitude, as exemplified in this post. No, PJ, you don't have to spell anything out for me. I read you loud and clear. And I don't need a "Plan B." Thanks for the offer, but I think I do just fine on my own.
In the spirit of trying to stop these endless off-topic posts that often lead to vitriol, I tried to gently and politely explain what you could do to help, since you asked. In return I get this ego-driven deconstruction. And a lame "promise" that you don't try to bully people. Not even an acknowledgement that you have in the past. No self-examination, no mea culpa, no humility.
I have no intention of getting into a thread-hogging, pointless discussion here. It's plain we have nothing to discuss on this matter. For that reason, I made a point of not asking any questions, even rhetorically. This is just a statement of my opinion. I don't claim to have any "higher power" guiding me.
Just little old me.
Thirty
Here here IJ - Religious bullying should be banned
June 28, 2008 - 00:09 ET by Dee BunkWhen a thread is about media bias that involves a religion, doesn't mean it's open season on attacking the tenants of that faith and calling people who believe in it stupid, or liars or what ever.
Theology discussions should be limited to the forum section for people who want to debate theology and even then people should not attack other peoples, but explain their own.
IJ... Well little ol' me
June 28, 2008 - 00:16 ET by bigtimerIJ...
Well little ol' me from Montana wants to thank you in Indiana.
You really said it all...
I am so weary of all of this.
Just my two cents.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
"Sometimes it's like a visit
June 27, 2008 - 21:40 ET by Hero Squad"Sometimes it's like a visit from Jehovah's Witnesses, and we all know how welcome most folks consider them."
They just visited our house twice in the last week, (the same woman was there both times), catching my wife when the kids were being excessively ornery.
Let's just say she did not get a pleasant welcome; and heaven help her if she comes back again. She might be witnessing jehovah a little sooner than originally planned.*
(*Note: that was meant as a clever play on words, not as an actual threat on the life of a fellow human being.)
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Ok Matt so
June 27, 2008 - 19:29 ET by Delsaas I understand it we have to surch the thesaurus and find other words for Schmuck and A$$hole aka money hole?
I get it
I don't know how to make the stupid little smilie face but if I did it would have been placed right after where I wrote...I get it
Get it?
Delsa,
June 27, 2008 - 19:38 ET by RESTLESS 1Colon and then close paratheses. :) Sometimes, you can even add a nose. :>) Some make it almost 3-d. :^)
Trach, NO BUNNIES!!!!
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
=( But I like bunnies.
June 27, 2008 - 19:51 ET by tracheostomy=( But I like bunnies.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Thanks
June 27, 2008 - 20:12 ET by DelsaRestless 1 :>)
Cool
Matt, Don't you think
June 27, 2008 - 19:56 ET by Biff McCainMatt,
Don't you think Colbert I. King's head blowing off is maybe over the top?
http://newsbusters.o...
Why, what's wrong with
June 27, 2008 - 20:11 ET by RESTLESS 1Why, what's wrong with that. He does it to himself.
Btw, you happen to catch the posts at huffpo and crooks and liars after the Scotus ruled against the D.C. gun ban?
Biff... Normally I would
June 27, 2008 - 20:14 ET by Clear thinkerBiff...
Normally I would say something like "don't be a moron" concerning your above comment. But in keeping my word I will not do that.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Obama's a schmuck
June 27, 2008 - 20:18 ET by wiwfObama's a schmuck
Is that too mean?
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
Wait... is it a comment on
June 27, 2008 - 20:37 ET by TheCitizenWait... is it a comment on the article/blog post, or is it in response to a forum/wall post that was actually made by Barack Obama himself? haha.
LOL Ct... Well...I'm
June 27, 2008 - 20:22 ET by bigtimerLOL Ct...
Well...I'm sticking with cute by half...hope that is okay.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
bt... Without checking
June 27, 2008 - 20:28 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
Without checking with Matthew first, I would guess that "cute by half" is still acceptable. However, I think calling j. frank wilson an as*hole is out of the question.
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm
Ct... Really lol
June 27, 2008 - 20:32 ET by bigtimerCt...
Really lol now...well that would give real a$$holes a bad name anyway....
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
bt, you have an excellent
June 27, 2008 - 20:34 ET by Clear thinkerbt, you have an excellent point!
45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm