Over the course of two programs on Tuesday evening, CNN political analyst Roland Martin unhesitatingly ran to the defense of Barack Obama against the recent criticism of Dr. James Dobson, who characterized the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate of "distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own worldview, his own confused theology" in a 2006 speech. On the "Election Center" program, Martin tried to deny Dobson’s influence in the American evangelical community: " I think we're doing the nation a disservice by calling James Dobson an evangelical leader." Then on "Anderson Cooper 360," he accused Dobson and other evangelicals of wanting to "tear down Obama, the person who is talking about faith..."
During the "Election Center" discussion, which began 22 minutes into the 8 pm hour of the CNN program, even host Campbell Brown objected to Martin’s assertion that Dobson isn’t an evangelical leader: "Whether you want him to be or not, he's an incredibly influential person among the evangelical community. You can't deny that." Martin stuck to his guns: "No. What he's done -- with Focus on the Family, what he's done is talk about family values. But here's somebody who wants to have an evangelical or religious conversation who now wants to run away from the reality of religion. He said it out of his own mouth. That was not my interpretation."
During both programs, Martin appeared with Family Research Council Tony Perkins, who defended Dobson’s position. In response to Martin’s "Dobson isn’t an evangelical leader" line, Perkins acknowledged part of Martin’s point, that Dobson is "not a minister, a reverend, or a theologian:" "He is not a reverend, not a pastor. He's often referred to in the media as one." Indeed, even Campbell Brown referred to him as "reverend" at one point in the discussion. He continued: "He [Dobson] makes very clear he's not. What he is -- is a leader who has been very involved in public policy as it relates to families." But Perkins also pointed out how Obama "certainly in his policies does not embrace the fact that life begins at conception. So, there's a disconnect."
Exactly two hours later, Martin and Perkins participated in another roundtable discussion, this time on "Anderson Cooper 360" and including Al Sharpton (now that’s a "balanced" panel). Host Anderson Cooper asked Martin, "...Obama has been very active in trying to court evangelicals. Is he off the mark on this [2006] speech that he made?"
Of course, Martin defended Obama’s speech:
MARTIN: No, I don't think he's off the mark. What he is talking about -- he's talking to a broader audience here and that is -- those who are evangelicals who are on the right, they have defined what the issues have been. He's been challenging progressives. I think what you have here is, you have -- you have evangelicals who are conservative who frankly aren't happy with John McCain. So, they want to tear down Obama, the person who is talking about faith, because the person they really want to back doesn't talk about faith, is afraid to have any conversations, doesn't get really along with them. That's what you have going on here, and see, Tony, what also is important is that Obama is trying to broaden this conversation beyond just the traditional issues. When he went to Rick Warren's church and talked about HIV and AIDS, you don't see a lot of other white evangelicals or conservative evangelicals trying to drive that particular issue home. He's saying, we can broaden this religious topic beyond abortion and homosexuality. That's what people are afraid of. They're afraid he's going to pull some of those voters.
Later in the "Anderson Cooper 360" discussion, Perkins and Martin had a heated exchange over Obama’s "disconnect," as Perkins earlier put it, between his Christianity-tinged words and his "pro-choice" policies, during which Martin made the typical liberal argument that pro-lifers, including evangelicals, don’t care about babies after their birth:
PERKINS: ...[H]e [Obama] made a great speech in Chicago on Father's Day about fatherhood, and he said, you know, fatherhood does not end at conception. But, you know, when you look at that, when does life begin? My son -- I became a father at -- if I became a father at conception, when did my children become my children? At conception. See, there's an inconsistency when it comes to some of these other issues. And, again, I agree with Roland that there are other issues. But, if he's trying to reach to the orthodox, conservative Christians, who care deeply about those issues, it's going to require more than just talk. There has to be policy to back it up.
MARTIN: But, Tony, I can say about the exact same thing about those pro-lifers who say nothing about prenatal care, who say nothing about the infant mortality rate in inner cities in this country being higher than Third World countries. They talk about being for somebody in the womb...
PERKINS: That's not true.
MARTIN: ...but they do nothing for them outside of the womb.
PERKINS: That's absolutely not true.
MARTIN: So, Tony, you can go with that.
PERKINS: That's not true.
—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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June 25, 2008 - 17:35 ET by Mike BrattonEvidently we're doing the nation a disservice by calling Roland Martin a political analyst. What, precisely, did Martin "analyze" in bashing Dr. Dobson?
And where has Obama ever talked about Christianity, particularly from personal experience? (Fair warning given before anyone responds to that question: It's of the "trick" variety.)
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport.com
In the beginning, I hated
June 25, 2008 - 17:41 ET by mrsimeleIn the beginning, I hated the idea of having a person like Obama in the White House. Everything about him annoyed me. However, now I remember why I have to vote for him.
Have to?
June 25, 2008 - 17:46 ET by Mike BrattonSomething's missing in that post--why, precisely, do you have to vote for Obama?
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport.com
"Something's missing in
June 25, 2008 - 17:52 ET by ckc1227"Something's missing in that post--why, precisely, do you have to vote for Obama?"
Stupid is as stupid does. Why else?
Silence is golden.
June 26, 2008 - 06:59 ET by KarmaIs it that the incessant pounding of an innocent humans beating heart in your virtual ears is more annoying than the man who will valiantly silence those wretched sounds?
This guy is doing his own
June 25, 2008 - 17:43 ET by red_dragon311This guy is doing his own damage control
Remember this was the guy that said Idiot Dems were part of the problem. So now to save face he has to come out and say everything short of republicans eat live babies raw with A1 Steak Sauce.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Gerald Ford
"MARTIN: They talk about
June 25, 2008 - 18:04 ET by ckc1227"MARTIN: They talk about being for somebody in the womb...but they do nothing for them outside of the womb."
At least he admits it is a "somebody" in the womb, which makes his position even more disturbing.
Any other pearls of wisdom, moron?
That is an excellent point,
June 25, 2008 - 22:55 ET by RukusThat is an excellent point, good catch!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Own up to the truth, Matthew!
June 25, 2008 - 18:34 ET by RolandSMartinHOW is Dobson an evangelical leader when he chooses to disassociate himself from the title?
No one dissed Dobson. You just hate the truth.
But hey, since you want to diss me, then analyze the Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, one of President Bush's spiritual advisors, the man who gave the prayer at both inaugurations, and married the president's daughter.
He launched the site, www.JamesDobsonDoesn....
But hey, I'm sure you'll say he's also dissing.
This has nothing to do with Obama. The issue for me is when you have a guy who is hailed as a Christian leader and major evangelical, and he doesn't even call himself that.
So what's the problem, NewsBusters is now FactBusters?
Welcome, Roland
June 25, 2008 - 18:43 ET by Mike BrattonAnd before asking questions of your own, I'd be pleased to see you answer the ones I've asked already. Be warned--one of them is a trick question.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport.com
Yes, welcome Roland.
June 25, 2008 - 18:58 ET by Matthew BalanYes, welcome Roland. (belatedly I should say, since you have commented on NB on occasion before, something that I totally missed until now somehow).
I didn't hear Dobson's comments you were talking about, but it seems that he was merely setting the record straight, that truthfully he isn't reverend or minister. You can be a Christian leader and not be a "man of cloth." This is particularly true in Protestant or "Reformed" Christianity, where every man is his "own pope."
It's interesting that you didn't even address the issue of the pro-lifers you smeared. As I pointed out, you used the exact same line that many "pro-choice" liberals use.
Mr. Martin, with all due
June 25, 2008 - 20:19 ET by motherbeltMr. Martin, with all due respect, that old canard of pro-life people not caring about babies already born is a distraction, used to divert the argument from abortion, and to put pro-life people on the defensive.
The Catholic Church has Operation Birthright to support women in unplanned pregnancies, before and after birth, other churches have similar groups. We also have "Elizabeth Ministries" for mothers of infants if they lack family support etc. Catholic Charities and other organizations assist needy families and children all the time.
If you have met pro-life people who don't care about babies, that is their own personal failing, and it is certainly not fair to tar all pro-life people with that brush.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
MB
June 25, 2008 - 22:44 ET by lotrNot too mention pro-life means just that: pro-life, i.e., anti-death. People outside the womb aren't being dismembered by the thousands on a daily basis for convenience. When innocent lives are threatened, make no mistake, the pro-life movement will be on it (e.g., the Terri Schiavo debacle).
Roland Martin
June 26, 2008 - 02:51 ET by Cool ArrowWelcome to NB.
Dobson is somehow not entitled to an opinion against Obama on religious grounds unless he identifies himself as an evanglical?
I don't get your point.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
Roland...
June 25, 2008 - 19:32 ET by d1carterAre you an analyst or are you a partisan for the Obama campaign? Is there one issue with which you disagree with Obama?
Backdrop for Cambell Brown segment on McCain vs. Obama
June 25, 2008 - 19:34 ET by krendlerSegment included the usual panel w/ 2 liberals - one being Roland Martin - (plus Cambell Brown) against 1 conservative.
The topic was Obama vs. McCain so the backdrop behind Cambell Brown has a picture of McCain and Obama side-by-side. Only Obama's headshot is scaled approximately 40% larger than McCain's picture and is centered on the screen whereas McCain is off to the left, almost a smaller satellite of Obama's "Earth".
The kicker is the shot they selected of Obama is one where he's beaming, staring straight into the camera (at you). McCain's shot has him squinting, almost scowling, looking off somewhere into space.
I hope someone recorded this segment and can post a screenshot. It's hysterical.
McCain looked like he just had an enema
June 25, 2008 - 20:06 ET by SickofLibsI saw that and it was beyond pathetic. Not even the slightest pretense anymore.
But maybe Rolling Stone will do better for JM, you know, when he gets his cover.
Parrot
June 25, 2008 - 19:43 ET by nkviking75"MARTIN: They talk about being for somebody in the womb...but they do nothing for them outside of the womb."
No Roland, that would be the libs, who happily dump children in need of help off on the government, which is often incompetent and sometimes harmful. You're a parrot, spouting liberal memes without thought or insight.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Now, we have the God Card...
June 25, 2008 - 20:00 ET by SickofLibs(Martin) accused Dobson and other evangelicals of wanting to "tear down Obama, the person who is talking about faith..."
Martin is 100% right. Obama IS talking about faith - unfortunately in his case, the 'faith' is believing in his OWN CULT OF PERSONALITY and nothing else.
I swear, I truly believe this guy does not have a single genuine religious bone in his body. The Great Obama humbly praying to God for guidance? Right.
You misunderstand Obama I think...
June 25, 2008 - 22:38 ET by Johnny_BancoI swear, I truly believe this guy does not have a single genuine religious bone in his body. The Great Obama humbly praying to God for guidance? Right.
I also don't believe he needs to pray to God for advice, considering that he'd rather get it from the wiser-and-more-Christlike-than-Jesus Rev. Wright, his brother in Islam...
Johnny_B, Welcome to NewsBusters!
June 25, 2008 - 22:42 ET by R D Helmhis brother in Islam...
LOL.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
A drive-by posting from the drive-by media?
June 25, 2008 - 21:08 ET by Mike BrattonSurely not...
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport.com
Spanky
June 25, 2008 - 21:25 ET by JohanSpanky Martin is a hoot to watch. If we were ever so unlucky to have Obama bare his behind, Roland's lip marks would be very prominently available for us to observe. Some of the stuff Roland says, you just know deep down he thinks it's bs too.
Plain and simple Mr.
June 25, 2008 - 23:11 ET by RukusPlain and simple Mr. Martin... "Thou shalt not kill." Defie God's will if you want to, that's your problem... a child is a child, PERIOD!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Ok, goodnight my freinds,
June 25, 2008 - 23:39 ET by RukusOk, goodnight my freinds, I'm off to get my horizontal zzz's. Bless all of you and have a great night.
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Hey Roland...look over there!
June 26, 2008 - 02:12 ET by ron burgundywhat a punk.
At least Dobson uses his time to set the record straight that he's not a reverend, but a leader of that movement. I don't see how you fail to see that.
Maybe you should take a cue and answer how you went from being titled a CNN contributor one day to a political strategist the next. Must have been your blatant apologizing and contexualizing of Obama's every misstep.
And what are you saying about them not caring for those after birth? 80% of DC african american children grow up without a father...the fathers don't even wait for the birth to skip town. Where's your outrage?
→ You just nailed it Ron
June 26, 2008 - 02:59 ET by Cool ArrowI'll lt you carr your observation to to its obvious conclusion.
Here's the question;
Mr. Martin has one very good reason for his devotion to Obama.
A rising tide lifts all boats. We might get only one positive result from this election . . . Racism in America will be completely over forever.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
80% of DC african american
June 26, 2008 - 07:46 ET by motherbelt80% of DC african american children grow up without a father...the
fathers don't even wait for the birth to skip town. Where's your
outrage?
You have made an excellent point.
I believe the actual number of unwed births in the AA community is 70% but that's still far too high. I wonder if Mr. Martin would have preferred they were aborted.
Is the African-American community rising up to support these unwed mothers in their own neighborhoods, as I have pointed out the Catholic Church does in her own parishes, on a personal level?
It seems to me that that's the difference. The people who accuse pro-lifers of not caring about babies already born are usually bemoaning the supposed lack of government assistance, not personal responsibility.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
→ motherbelt
June 26, 2008 - 07:58 ET by Cool ArrowIt gives Roland a feelig of elitist self righteousness that he and his wife, a respected preacher, can understand those lesser than they are unable to follow God's plan because the Government won't give them the money to do so.
See? It makes perfect sense.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE
I wonder if Mr. Martin
June 26, 2008 - 10:27 ET by GWI wonder if Mr. Martin would have preferred they were aborted.
Actually, a large chunk of the African American comunity already has been aborted.
According to BlackGenocide.org
"3 out of 5 pregnant African-American women will abort their child."
I admit the name of the web site is very shocking. Here is the web site's description of itself:
"The purpose of this website is to reveal the disproportionate number of black babies exterminated by the abortion industry in America.
Although black women constitute only 6% of the population, they comprise 36% of the abortion industry’s clientele. The leading abortion providers have chosen to exploit blacks by locating 94% of their abortuaries in urban neighborhoods with high black populations.
This high rate of abortion has decimated the black family and destroyed black neighborhoods to the detriment of society at large."
This guy is a racist.
June 26, 2008 - 06:35 ET by dronetekThis is a guy who actually said he beleives all white people are inherently racist. So, there you go.
CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC
June 26, 2008 - 07:07 ET by jsteve2xAre all in the tank for Hussein. They throw in a Conservative for their own amusement. Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck are the only smart things they have done to improve their ratings. Ilk such as Martin don't deserve a listen, because you know already that his reply to any logic and reason will be placed in the 'spin' machine. Again, liberalism is a terminal state of mind. Liberals, can't reason with 'em and who wants to waste a good bullet? The Demoncratic Convention will have no fried foods. Whatever will they do? Watermelon for all.
Steve
So why did you leave off FOX...
June 26, 2008 - 08:49 ET by jquamFirst off...everyone is a little racist (or bigoted in other ways, same difference)...don't you freaking deny it. I admit your nasty 5 there make a good start...but fox is just as bad as the rest. They twist and they spin and report on worthless crap just as bad as the rest. They refuse to report on issues that don't help their net gain...they'll jump the gun as well. I understand that you're obviously looking for a conservative voice in the news....but if we're hear to hate on the media...why stop at liberal...let's bitch about anything that shouldn't be counted as news...screw liberal bias...there are worse things facing our media right now...msm (yeah right) Corporate Media...that's all it is. Lame Blue, well it's also the Ignorant Red. Open your eyes and you'll understand why citizen journalism is becoming a hit...and I don't mean blogs...I mean honest journalism.
MARTIN: ....who say nothing
June 26, 2008 - 07:09 ET by rimskyMARTIN: ....who say nothing about the infant mortality rate in inner cities in this country being higher than Third World countries.
PERKINS: That's not true.
MARTIN: ...but they do nothing for them outside of the womb.
PERKINS: That's absolutely not true.
MARTIN: So, Tony, you can go with that.
PERKINS: That's not true.
The last exchange here is very troubling to me. Not because I think Martin's statement of infant mortality in inner cities vs the 3rd world is true.. I don't... but because I don't know the facts. What is Martin talking about and how is he slanting this?
Except for Perkins saying "That's not true", there was really no further discussion. I hate it when these things end on a peircing statement like that, and have it go essentially unchallenged.. I didn't watch this, but I'm assuming this was the end of the segment. And the last things said are often the last things people remember.. right or wrong.
Anybody have links to data on this?
Martin is a typical liberal trying to use "faith" as a 2x4
June 26, 2008 - 07:59 ET by c5thenFaith in what? Muslims have "faith", Hindus have faith, etc., etc. They are so politically motivated that they cannot even seperate political views from theological views. To them generic "faith" is enough and no one should discuss the "in what" part because that might be divisive.
Damn right it would be divisiv! Because faith in a flawed and modified theology is exactly the same if not worse than atheism.
The perfect example is the argument about when a baby becomes a baby. Scientifically and theologically it has to be at conception. The second after conception there is DNA present that identifies it as human and as a unique individual.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
Martin isn't an analyst
June 26, 2008 - 08:41 ET by BS DetectorHe's an idiot and an Obama cheerleader. He said Rev. Blight's speech at the Press Club was perfect. They should give him ponpoms, pigtails, and a big "O" sweater.