WashPost Publishes Liberal Law Prof's Call to Pack Supreme Court with 10 More Justices
In their June 24 edition, the Washington Post published on its Outlook section front page a call by George Washington University professor Jonathan Turley to, well, pack the Supreme Court. Instead of nine justices, he envisions a high court with as many as 19 robed arbiters of the law.
The George Washington University public interest law professor claimed the current number of justices is just too small to have the final say on federal cases of landmark importance, such as Thursday's expected ruling on ObamaCare. It is part of the long temper tantrum the political left has been throwing over the assumed notion that the bill will be ruled unconstitutional.
Turley noted that “a national poll this month showed that the public overwhelmingly opposes how the court functions. Only 44 percent of citizens approved of how the court is doing its job, and 60 percent thought that appointing Supreme Court justices for life is a 'bad thing' because it gives them too much power.” So because Al Gore lost the 2000 election -- and every recount, machine or manual conducted in Florida -- the Supreme Court is dysfunctional?
Turley turned to other countries to argue that their supreme courts put ours to shame by its puny size:
I believe that many of the court’s problems come back to its dysfunctionally small size. This is something that countries with larger high courts manage to avoid: Germany (16 members), Japan (15), United Kingdom (12) and Israel (15). France uses 124 judges and deputy judges, while Spain has 74. These systems have structural differences, but they eliminate the concentration-of-power problem that we have in the United States.
Thankfully Turley avoided suggesting that the newly-expanded Supreme Court should also borrow legal reasoning from its counterparts in other countries.
At no point in his column does Turley explain how he arbitrarily arrived at 19 as the magic number for Supreme Court justices. "[A] 19-member or so court has been shown to work efficiently where a larger court would likely be unwieldy,” Turley insists, but offers no evidence for that assertion.
Following a torrent of criticism, Turley took to his blog this morning to address his critics, insisting that his pipe dream of an expansion of the court has been kicking around his brain for some ten years and that he has long sided with conservatives on such cases as Citizens United.
That being said, it's no accident that the Post highlighted Turley's controversial idea on the weekend before many expected the Court could hand down its ruling in the HHS v. Florida case.
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They do this every time
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 1:02pm.
a Democrat President tries to navigate a poor economy.
The more the better
Submitted by allouchsit on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 1:24pm.
If 19 is good, maybe 29 is better. If Congress goes along with that idea, then the next Republican president can add his own 10 justices and then where are we? Back to square one.
The Court started with 6 Justices back in 1790. This bounced around from 5 to 10 Justices until 1869 when the number was set at 9 and it has stayed there since. FDR proposed a scheme whereby the number of Justices could have gone up to 15, but Congress rejected that idea. I don't see Congress changing the number any time soon.
I've got an idea
Submitted by CobraMan on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 1:05pm.
I've got an idea, let's have the same number of SCOTUS Justices as we have Representatives in Congress. We can even elect them, just as we elect our Representatives. I'm sure that a few hundred Justices will be able to work together and resolve any and all Court matters quickly and easily, just as happens in the House. It would obviously negate the "concentration of power" that the author feels is worrisome.
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Yes and then...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 11:41pm.
We could have a "Speaker of the Court" or a "Court Majority Leader" who would decide what cases the court would listen to and sit on the rest or bury them in a hole in the ground behind the building.
Hasn't Obama
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 1:09pm.
become a one man court himself? Regardless of any Court decision, he seems ok with doing what he wants to.
"Different" this time
Submitted by Annie Ashe Fields on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 1:19pm.
Yeah, and my little commie cupcake "friend" KatrinaV actually tried to tell me that this time was "different" - Uh-huh... See below:
I'm not so sure this is a bad idea...
Submitted by definer on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 1:36pm.
Every election we have a hue and cry about the effect the Presidency will have on the court. One way to fix that (regardless of the party in power) would be to add more justices. Given that we have rarely seen more than a single justice vacancy in a single year having more justices would dilute the effect an individual President could have on the court.
We now have a court with an acknowledged 4 conservatives, 4 liberals, and one "tweener." WOuld it be such a bad thing if the court had 4 conservatives, 4 liberals, and 3, 5, or 7 "tweeners?" Seems that if would be more reflective of the American voter demographics and would definitely make the issue of the high court appointees a much less divisive one that it is now whenever a vacancy needs to be filled.
Is 19 the right number? I don't know but an increase might not be a bad consideration. Besides if everyone is against it, how bad an idea can it be?
BTW, I'm a Conservative with a LONG-TIME Republican name.
I understand your point definer
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Tue, 06/26/2012 - 11:50am.
adding a FEW more justices might not be a bad thing. But the real fix is the same as it is for congress-critters - limited terms. Appointing ANYONE to ANY position for life had inherant negatives. Complacency and abuse of power to name a couple. Ading a few to dilute the effect of 1 or 2 replacements could be beneficial, but too many would cause the same problems with have with the entrenched politicians. The position becomes more important to them than the job. Limit terms for both SCOTUS justices AND congress. That would be a huge step in correcting many of the problems we're encountering now.
I don't think we need it.
Submitted by CobraMan on Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:05pm.
"I don't know but an increase might not be a bad consideration."
Why increase the number? Why not decrease it? 5 is a good number, or three, or 7, or any small odd number. Just as there's no reason why we can;t increase the number, there's equally no reason why the number can;' be decreased as well. Why does it have to be more?
More generally isn't better, especially when it comes to government. The smaller the number, the easier it is to try a case an make a decision. Do you think that 19 Justices would be more efficient? That's never been true in the history of mankind. The more people involved, the more complicated a system becomes. Just look at congress for a perfect example. Over 500 people directly involved and they can't even work together in a manner that can produce a yearly budget.
If you're worried about the political makeup of the Justices, why not insist that all Justices be "tweeners?"
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Because Cobra
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Tue, 06/26/2012 - 12:18pm.
The smaller the number, the more impact replacing one of them has. With nine, evenly split with one in the middle, replacing one justice (from either side) alters the entire court. With a larger number there would be (hopefully) more middle of the roaders, which would limit judicial partisanship. Right now Kennedy, as the middle of the roader, has way too much power. Adding a few in the middle would likely add balance and spread the decisive middle vote thinner than it is now.
We now have a court with an
Submitted by redfish on Wed, 06/27/2012 - 2:02am.
We now have a court with an acknowledged 4 conservatives, 4 liberals, and one "tweener." WOuld it be such a bad thing if the court had 4 conservatives, 4 liberals, and 3, 5, or 7 "tweeners?"
That's not the problem though. The problem is 1. The court is political in the first place, when its just supposed to be applying the law.
Personally I think undoing the concept of judicial supremacy may help rebalance the courts role , and thats what Gingrich was suggesting. He also endorsed "judicial reform" schemes in part inspired by FDR and jefferson, which I didn't agree with. But the first part I think he was right on.
Great idea, Turley!
Submitted by Morganfrost on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 2:09pm.
Any time the president (obviously, this only applies to Democrat presidents) finds his policies derailed by some crazed, extremist, right-wing Court hell-bent on taking the Constitution seriously, he should be permitted to add a number of justices equal to the number who voted against his last policy plus one. Thus, if Obamacare gets struck down by a 6-3 margin, Obama should get 7 new appointments to the Court.
Now, you might argue that this would quickly lead to dozens and dozens of Supreme Court justices, plus hundreds of clerks-- and you'd be right! And that's the best part!! All those bank tellers who were thrown out of work by Dick "the War Criminal" Cheney and his puppet George W. Bush due to their fiendish plot to install ATMs everywhere would be able to get great jobs as Supreme Court justices or clerks.
Obama can thus protect his signature legislative achievement, save health care, reduce unemployment, and help the economy.
Why, oh why, don't Republicans ever understand how simple it all really is?
Who watches the watchers?
Submitted by compguytracy on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 2:22pm.
Who picks these ten? Blobama?? what if Mitt wins, would packing the court with his ten picks be an option then?? 9 was ok when roe v wade, and every other liberal cause celebre was passed, didnt hear how court was not good then, only when the 9 ( i know 5) rule boy bambi overstepped his bounds will the howls be overwhelming.
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Ceteris paribus
FDR came up with the same idea
Submitted by c5then on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 2:33pm.
What a coincidence!!!
It was just after some of his pet legislation during the Depression of the 1930's was deemed unconstitutional that he came up with this same idea. The "poor" court was too small and too over-worked. It would have been just coincidental that he would have gotten to appoint all the extra justices...
I've been predicting this for awhile now if the decision goes against Obama...Blame the court and use that to come up with a stacking the court scheme.
This was the same thing that got the country to pass the 20th amendment limiting the President to just 2 terms right after FDR died and WW2 was over.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
What's this gentleman's name again?
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 3:03pm.
...Oh! Jonathan Tur-L-ey!!!
Sorry... My mistake!
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My solution:
Submitted by Unsane on Mon, 06/25/2012 - 8:24pm.
Fix the size of the SCOTUS in the Constitution once and for all. At 9.
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