CNN Airs Bill Maher's Liberal Gripe Over Gun Laws, Asks Why No One Else Is Questioning Them
Discussing gun laws in the aftermath of the Trayvon Martin shooting, CNN's Carol Costello played Bill Maher's liberal grievance about the lack of "sensible" gun laws. Costello then asked why no one was "talking seriously about America's gun laws?" during Tuesday's 10 a.m. hour of Newsroom.
The fact that CNN was giving such attention to a liberal comedian before adding on to his commentary and questioning America's gun laws is telling. And given the network's past bias, it's safe to say that Costello was toeing the liberal line and pushing for stricter gun laws for law-abiding citizens. [Video below the break.]
Maher had preached on his HBO show Real Time that "We can go on and on about hoodies, and the neighborhood watch guy who looks like Chaz Bono, but....it's not really a discussion until you save some blame for the liberal politicians, who unconditionally surrendered in the fight for sensible gun laws. When are they going to stand their ground?"
Other CNN anchors have echoed Costello's dismay over gun laws. CNN's Piers Morgan bemoaned Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, asking singer Lionel Richie on March 28 if the law didn't "just frighten" him as an American. And on his Monday night show, he continued his skepticism of current gun laws.
Morgan asked Rick Santorum "given the sheer number of cases now of people getting access to firearms who simply shouldn't have them and who then go on to commit these kind of crimes, is it time for a big review of gun law in America?"
And last month, while reporting on a repeal of handgun regulations in Virginia, CNN hyped the alarm of gun control activists and evoked two tragic school shootings as it brought on the father of a victim of one of the shootings. No one supporting the repeal of the handgun regulations was interviewed.
A transcript of the segment, which aired on April 3 on Newsroom at 10:30 a.m. EDT, is as follows:
CAROL COSTELLO: First question, it's a serious one. It's about gun laws in the aftermath of the Trayvon Martin shooting. I'll let Bill Maher set it up.
(Video Clip)
BILL MAHER, comedian: We can go on and on about hoodies, and the neighborhood watch guy who looks like Chaz Bono, but –
(Laughter)
(Applause)
MAHER: – but it's not really a discussion until you save some blame for the liberal politicians, who unconditionally surrendered in the fight for sensible gun laws. When are they going to stand their ground?
(Applause)
(End Video Clip)
COSTELLO: So the question, why isn't anyone talking seriously about America's gun laws? Jason?
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Why isn't CNN talking about Bill Maher's misogyny?
Submitted by frank14 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:32pm.
That's right, Democrats like Maher and Clinton are allowed to be misogynists.
You know...
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:31pm.
Lets have the debate, but...lets have it in the proper context. Let's talk about amending the Constitution to eliminate the 2nd amendment. That is the argument that the left MUST bring. You can not talk about passing laws that restrict a right that the Constitution acknowledges is an individual right and cannot be infringed. The only valid and logical argument is that it is time to amend the Constitution.
But the left will not want to go there. They know that they will lose the argument, so they are instead going to try and force their will on the people by passing a bunch of hodge-podge laws that are unconstitutional and trying to get their liberal judges to uphold them.
Completely disingenuous on their part.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
I want one of these damn gun
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 1:21pm.
I want one of these damn gun grabbers to tell me what law would have stopped this or any other killing. There are enough gun laws on the books. It is hard to enforce when your own government disobeys them and allow guns to got to drug cartels.
Ask a liberal that first question and they can't answer it. They'll him and haw around about "gun show loop holes' "assualt weapons" ban. Both are total BS
PERFECT example
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:33pm.
PERFECT example:
Ask these boneheads which gun control law(s) Colin Ferguson broke. (The dude who shot up a commuter train in NY in Dec 1993)
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Typical Neo-Lib thinking...
Submitted by adamsmith on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:37pm.
Nevermind that the cities with the toughest gun laws are where most gun crime happens. Hmmm......more people with the ability to defend themselves, the less gun violence. No, the ComLibs can't use reason, logic, or common sense. Just rely on your FEELINGS on subjects you can't grasp. Michael Savage is right, Liberalism is a mental disorder. Glad Costello holds a comic's opinion so highly, another CNN expert.
Four Left Wing NUTS
Submitted by bmac32 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:50pm.
Just love it when four left wing nuts try to make decisions on what should be. Never mind the facts as they do nothing but get in the way. They get to take my guns over my dead body.
They want our guns..................
Submitted by OldJarhead77 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:52pm.
So that when they try to declare Martial Law they won't get killed trying to ship the Real Americans to the re-education camps
Debunking the stand you ground myth
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 1:01pm.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/2/debunking-the-stand-your-...
Here's a bit of godd news for NC gun owners
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 1:02pm.
http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2012/apr/02/wsmain01-federal-judge-says-...
Warning!
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 2:19pm.
Bill Maher is your brain on drugs. You are what you smoke. A dope.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
Maybe if Chicago had FL gun laws, ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 2:35pm.
... only ONE person would be killed every week or so, instead of the 10-12+ that tend to get whacked in a single day on occasion.
By the same token, if FL had the severe gun laws of Chicago, NYC, and D.C., no one would think that one person getting killed was a big deal, since the usual weekend score would be in the double digits.
God made man. Sam Colt made men equal.
OK Bill
Submitted by chiefpayne on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:06pm.
FIRST of all, you are a comedian (by your own admission)...so we don't take ANYTHING you say seriously.
SECOND, you do NOT have a degree in politics Bachelor of Arts in English from Cornell University in 1978) nor do you hold ANY political office - therefore you are NOT QUALIFIED to speak on political matters.
FINALLY, no one is talking seriously about national gun control because according to the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution, we have a right to possess firearms. Additionally, we know that once the government takes away our firearms, we DEFENSELESS if the government moves to take over the country and become a dictatorship.
Every one here knows I am
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:36pm.
Every one here knows I am adament about the 2nd Amendment. I am smart enough to know if it goes so go the other 9 in the Bill of Rights. Most liberals only think of the 2 amendment in the context of hunting. They are always asking why do you need a pistol to hunt. I tell them I need it for protection. They are so stooooopid. IMO the 2nd should have been the 1st.
Rick
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:48pm.
I believe a gun is necessary for self defense too, to defend ourselves from the government.
Out of Control Gun Violence....
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:42pm.
I usually do not agree with anything Bill Maher says, but on this issue he has the moral high ground. These pro-gun laws are completely out of control. They allow any freak to possess and carry a gun anywhere. Look at just this past year. The Chardon High School Massacre, The Oakland School Massacre, the Trayvon Martin ambush and slaughter, a few weeks ago a little girl was jumping up and down on her bed and was shot by a loaded gun stuff under the mattress, two days ago 9 people were shot in Chicago. When will these senseless tragedies stop?
Not surprised at all
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:53pm.
Your understanding of the second amendment is as limited as your knowledge of economics.
Zing!!
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:17pm.
Zing!!
Clay....moral high ground,HA You know nothing about acquiring
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:52pm.
a Weapon.
20,000 gun laws on the books.
And the law breakers still have guns...
The second amendment is for "freaks"...
Ahh yes those School " gun Free zones", sure work out well don't they.
Ban Gasoline and you will save more lives..
You Didn't Build That.
Gun Worshipers
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:17pm.
You Gun Worshipers are all the same. 20,000 laws my foot; 19,000 of those laws are pro-gun. There is a law to be allowed to carry a gun in a church, or law that allows a gun owner to possess infinite numbers of clips, or a law that allows for hollow points in certain guns, or a law that allows conceal carry, a law that allows being able to transport death machines across state lines. The pro-gun laws can go on and on.
I love how conservatives are always whining about how they wish the government would stay out of their affairs, but they have absolutely no problem with government promoting a this particular interest group and shoving it down the throats of everyone else. How can any of you defend possession of a gun? I could understand if it was your grandfather’s hunting shotgun and you want to keep the weapon as an heirloom, but some of these guns being manufactured are only manufactured for the purpose of killing another human being. Call the cops , that is what they are there for….
As a cop, let me say...
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:22pm.
that is pure crap. Every indivdual has a right to defend themselves. I remember seeing, and fully agree with the saying, "When seconds count, the police are just minutes away". In a short time, you and your family could very easily be dead before the police arrive. It's just common sense.
Also, can you please clarify your statement about the government "promoting this particular interest group and shoving it down the throats of everyone else". Seriously, are you high? What the hell does that even mean? What "interest group" and how is it being forced on others? You don't have to own a gun if you don't want. If anything, it's the gun haters like you who are forcing your beliefs on others.
NC Cop
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:54pm.
I respect that you risk your life for others everyday. I ask you this though, as a police officer, you pull over a suspect and you happen to see he has a CCW as you run his plate. As you approach you cannot see his hands, he may be perfectly peaceful-but you do not know. Does this not make your job harder? Does this not take away time from other crime prevention you could be doing?
No, not really. In NC, if
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:59pm.
No, not really. In NC, if they have a CCW they are required to notify law enforcement when they are stopped. So, if he doesn't notify me that he has a weapon and I find one, he loses that CCW permit.
I've stopped people before with CCW who possessed weapons. It doesn't take any more time away from a traffic stop. They have always been cooperative and respectful. You have to get a detailed background check and take a course before you get a CCW pemit. You can't just walk up to a counter and get one.
I've even stopped people who did not have CCW permits but had weapons in their vehicle. If they tell me about the weapon from the beginning and the person doesn't have a record and the gun is not stolen, I let them go with their weapon.
~OMO
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:07pm.
You're so patient with his stupidity.
I cannot believe this fool thinks that anyone who goes to the trouble of jumping through all the CCW hoops, right down to being fingerprinted, is in any way a threat to law and order. What a frigging idiot.
"I hate to interrupt this violent rape, but OK if I call 911?"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:26pm.
That about it, Lambchop?
Violence
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:49pm.
Not everyone is a gung-ho army ranger. Okay, let us say a woman was threatened with rape. She pulls out a gun instead of running to safety and waiting for the cops to come. The assailant who is unarmed at the time takes her gun away from her and kills her with her OWN weapon.
Or how about this one; a man is watching his neighborhood after a recent rash of burglaries. He sees someone who he thinks is going to break into a house. He pulls out his gun and shoots the man not knowing what he had in his hand could be a gun. It turns out to be a bag of Skittles.
~Running to safety
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:57pm.
What safety? That's it? How far does she have to run? How fast? What is she supposed to do when her attacker can run faster than she can? What if she can't run?
Is she just supposed to take it? Try to enjoy it?
You better bail on this as fast as you bailed on the subject of childbirth when you showed yourself completely ignorant, because I will pin you to the wall by your ears.
Hank, time to shut up*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:10pm.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/elderly-couple-in-tulsa-beaten-rap...
http://www.wgmd.com/?p=39113
Sickos
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:19pm.
This is not directed at you personally, but so many people advocating more guns in society are sounding so insecure. I truly pity those who walk around all day in paranoia being afraid of being mugged or raped or killed. It is almost boarding on schizophrenia. Not everyone is out to get you. Why would anyone need to bring a gun to church? Why would anyone need to bring a gun to a little league game? Why would anyone need to bring a gun to the carwash? Some just sound like sick puppies.
~No, you're sick, and you're stupid, too
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:25pm.
Go whine to rapists, muggers, and murderers about it. Tell them to be nice and not attack people. Then you can take your bullsh!t strawman and go home to molest him in private.
We are NOT afraid, Hank
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:25pm.
We are, however, PREPARED.
Big difference.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
~According to Hank
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:37pm.
If you don't think anything bad will ever happen to you, it won't. And if it does, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you were above using force!
Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
On Conservatives
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:54pm.
It alright, like I said before- I know conservatives better than conservatives know themselves. I know how you people think. Conservatives are ruled by fear. They are afraid of the government, they are afraid of the immigrant, they are afraid of the bogyman that wants to steal their cigarettes and scratch-off lotto tickets.
Everything major accomplishment that conservatives enacted has been fueled by fear. Quick list, Homeland Security, Patriot Act, Wire Taps, Gun Rights...
Try and actually look at the other side, HC
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:06pm.
I have a healthy distrust of the government.
I don't fear my mother, silly. (She's an immigrant.)
You know what your problem is, HC? You absolutely refuse to take the time to understand conservative arguments. And as such, you argue with caricatures that YOU constructed that in no way relate to reality.
Thus, you only show me and others that you are completely intellectually bankrupt. Worse, you seem very proud of your intellectual bankruptcy.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
~Bull
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:12pm.
You're afraid of conservatives with guns, or you wouldn't be here whining about this.
"It alright, like I said before" Speak English much there, genius?
Conservatives Guns and a loss of rights
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:55pm.
It is a basic historic fact that conservatives are ruled by fear; and furthermore have stripped more rights away from citizens than any liberal. Granted liberals have done some wrong things too, yet at least they tried to make society more inclusive. At least our intentions were good. There are no good intentions in owning a gun and ruling society as if it was some sort of feudal lordship where the strongest most armed army dictates to the rest of society their mores.
"Fact" not in evidence
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:01pm.
Your entire post is unmitigated horseshit. You can take your good intentions and put them where the sun doesn't shine.
Stop beclowning yourself, Henry.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Democrats, inclusive? HAHAHAHAHA
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:17pm.
Let's remember that is was the democrats who fought Civil Rights legislation. Let's remember that it was George W. Bush who passed NCLB, which opened education up to ALL, regardless of disability. Let's remember that it's democrats push for abortion, killing life has to be the least inclusive action possible.
Owning a gun has nothing to do with a feudal lordship and you know it. It's about self defense, from criminals and an out of control government. You know, like the kind we're running into now.
BS Flags
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:35pm.
I'm with Blonde, your post is total crap. And this "judge us on our good intentions" business? Rush is right yet again.
It is a historical fact that Leftists like you want to take away any and all freedoms. Look at you: you are a nosy busybody who is mad because people are buying what you don't like (guns) so instead of coping with that like any other adult, you want guns taken away from people just because you don't like them. You become very angry when people are successful so you demand the government punish and steal from those who are more successful just because you don't like them, or the notion of success. You are even enraged that I just might, might, possibly, maybe, want to pay for my doctor when I want, how I want; so you demand the government take that ability from me too.
And that's just a list for starters.
Leftists want to make government more "inclusive", you say? Yeah, if that means making a massive collective and stomping out any kind of individuality; a notion that confounds and sickens Leftists.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
~COLOSSAL IGNORANCE
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:42pm.
The peasants weren't allowed to arm themselves in feudal times, you unutterable fool. The very essence of feudalism was the fact that only the most powerful had the means or ability to defend themselves.
What you just inadvertently admitted is that whoever holds the weapons holds the power. An armed citizenry puts the power in the hands of all the people, there's nothing more democratic than that. An unarmed citizenry can be downtrodden at will by the armed minority, which is the only reason tyranny has ever thrived, anywhere.
Ah, the "good intentions" argument, Hank?
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:58pm.
It doesn't matter that the liberals passed laws that violated the Constitution, their intentions were good. It doesn't matter that they insulted, harrassed, bullied and tried to ruin conservative women, their intentions were good.
And, Hank? I don't own a gun to rule society, as you falsely claim, I own guns to keep society from ruling me.
Just remember Hank, an armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject.
We are only afraid of a government you worship
Submitted by IdahoJim on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 2:59pm.
Hank, can I call you Hank? Hank, The frigging federal government is not the be all and end all of advice, wisdom, and guidence. I do not want the feds telling me how I should, or indeed must, live my life. That's up to me to decide, not some knot head that works for the government because the can't get a productive job out here in the real world.
Conservatives are not afraid, they are brave enough to stand their ground when it comes to bullies. And Hank, Todays fed's are big time bullies.
OBTW - Hollow points provide stopping power. You do not want the criminal you just shot to get back up and resume the attack.
IdahoJim
http://idahoandy.net
HC, the sick puppy
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:03pm.
This is not directed at you personally, sure, HC but so many people advocating more guns in society are sounding so insecure HC, this is laughable coming from you. You are a guy who has routinely personally attacked people for owning guns. "Guns are for the uneducated" was the title of one of your posts, remember? You snottily look down on people who own guns.
I'm not insecure...thanks to my Beretta, among others. If anything happens, I am prepared. If a tornado tears through town tonight, I can defend my property and that of others as a Good Samaritan while the authorities take care of other things. If someone kicks down my door and I have seconds to react, no problem.
The problem is, HC, that you live in fantasy land, a veritable Mr. Roger's Neighborhood. All well and good. I live in the Real World and though I don't obsess over what can go wrong, as you insist gun owners do, it's nice knowing that there are lines people cannot cross. And I have no intention on harming anyone as I have no interest in killing people. I like driving in my truck (I'm guessing you think since I don't need a truck I need to give that up to and stick to a Smart Car) and knowing if some nut starts flipping me the bird as I go down the road for some reason, real or imagined, that he can flip me the bird ALL he wants - but there are lines he cannot cross. And that he doesn't know they are there, but they are. And that's fine.
Why would anyone need to bring a gun to church? Why would anyone need to bring a gun to a little league game? Why would anyone need to bring a gun to the carwash? I can bring a Swiss Army knife to a church, and turn and stab a few members of the congregation next to me. Do you advocate the banning of Swiss Army knives? I can grab a baseball bat at a Little League game and beat the hell out of people on a whim. Do you advocate the banning of baseball in general? I can purposely target and run over customers and employees at a car wash with my truck just for someone looking at me wrong. Do you advocate banning automobiles of all sorts?
Why bring a gun to church? Oh, I don't know, so I don't get mugged on the way to my car after the service? Why bring a gun to a Little League Game? Oh, I don't know, maybe if some enraged parent (the parents are the ones who behave badly at these games) decides to go off and do something stupid, I have a way to protect myself? Maybe I don't want to be jumped and attacked at a car wash, so I take a gun with me there?
Tell me something, HC: why do YOU feel the need to boss around people? Why do YOU feel the need to order people about and DEMAND they justify what they do with THEIR OWN MONEY to you? You think someone died and made you God?
Again, it boils down to you being a childish, temper-tantrum throwing spoiled brat: "I don't like guns, and because I don't like guns, NO ONE CAN OWN GUNS!!!" YOU are in fact the sick puppy.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Insane
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:57pm.
“I can bring a Swiss Army knife to a church, and turn and stab a few members of the congregation next to me. Do you advocate the banning of Swiss Army knives? I can grab a baseball bat at a Little League game and beat the hell out of people on a whim. Do you advocate the banning of baseball in general? I can purposely target and run over customers and employees at a car wash with my truck just for someone looking at me wrong. Do you advocate banning automobiles of all sorts? “
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/comment/reply/54879/1670928#ixzz1r1M2ziss
Once again I answered that. By the time you kill a person with a Swiss army knife a person with a gun could have killed twenty. What does it say about your judgment that you would shoot someone dead in front of children playing baseball? Really these arguments need to be thought out before you type them mon ami…
Bizarre hank*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:10pm.
http://www.newser.com/article/d9tt6n182/gunman-opens-fire-at-small-chris...
http://news.yahoo.com/attacker-stabs-four-people-college-columbus-ohio-1...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-s...
Guns, knives, gasoline, cars, fists, lead pipes are all weapons. It matters not the choice, what is important is the perpetrator. Typical liberal is to excuse everyone from decision making and personal responsibility for ones actions. Blame others, blame guns. Unsanes point was that criminals and crazies will use whatever weapon is available. Stop making stupid analogies and get out of your safe little basement. Live in the real world for awhile. Drive 40-50 miles just to get to work. Drive through or work in dangerous neighborhoods. Then you will be able to study the world in a much more realistic arena instead your basement.
"At last, no more stupid analogies" ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:43pm.
Inscription on tombstone placed at final resting place of one Henry "Hank Mud" Clay.
MD
Be honest, HC
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:46pm.
Really these arguments need to be thought out before you type them mon ami… Are you out to show how dense you are? Seriously?
Once again I answered that. Actually you didn't. By the time you kill a person with a Swiss army knife a person with a gun could have killed twenty. So? This says a great deal about you. How is one person dead any less dead than twenty dead? And I would wager the body count can actually be considerably higher than that with a knife. Once again, your argument is that since YOU don't like guns, I can't have any, because YOU don't like guns. You are utterly childish, HC. And you make very poor arguments.
What does it say about your judgment that you would shoot someone dead in front of children playing baseball? So, if cops are defending themselves near a park where children are playing - or at a Little League game - they aren't allowed to? If someone levels a gun at said kids - and it has happened in the past - I can't do anything to stop it for fear of, what? Keep making weaker and weaker arguments, HC. Just admit that since you don't like guns, you think no one should be allowed to have them simply because you don't like them.
If you like guns - and I do - great. If you don't, DON'T F***ING BUY THEM AND LEAVE ME ALONE. Why is that such a complicated thing for you to understand? Are you that spoiled? Do you think the universe revolves around you and your desires? Or are you that soft in the head?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
For the whiny HC
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:58pm.
You obviously have never been in TX. I cannot carry a gun, even if licensed, in many places. Some I simply have to know about. Others are marked with the "30.06" sign or the "Red 51%" sign. If I carry a gun past that point that is a serious felony offense and I cough up the CHL.
If you don't want to buy a gun, don't buy one. Be a victim; rely exclusively on the cops to save your ass when you are at the mercy of criminals. (Love 'em or hate 'em: cops simply CANNOT be everywhere at once. The only things they can do, in truth, are deterrence, and investigation of crime.) I'm not going to wait on the cops to protect myself.
And last time I checked: as much as it intensely bothers you, I don't need to defend the ownership of ANYTHING I own.
"Do I need to own guns? Maybe not. Nor, it might be argued, in an era of crowded streets and polluted air do i need to have more than one automobile. Do I need to consume alcohol? No. Yet I choose to live my life in accordance with my wishes, and so long as I do not trouble others, I expect to be left alone in my personal pursuit of happiness." - Tom Clancy, from "But I Like To Shoot"
You don't get to determine who owns what and we sure as all hell don't owe YOU a defense of anything we own or do. Do us a favor, nosy busybody. Leave us the hell alone.
P.S. Name a gun that cannot kill another human being.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
A gun is a tool, and so are you.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:02pm.
70 to 80 million Americans own a gun.
40-45% of households in the U.S. contain a gun.
The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states, "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
As of January, 2011, 39 states have laws permitting individuals with gun licenses to carry concealed guns in the streets.
The Federal Gun Free School Zone Act of 1995 states that people with guns cannot walk within 1,000 feet of any school (kindergarten to 12th grade).
Americans purchase 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year.
The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens.
In 2009, the federal government performed 14 million background checks on gun purchases.
Only nine states have trigger-lock laws, where gun sellers are required to sell integrated or internal trigger locks with handguns.
Most guns used in crimes are stolen, either from homes or gun dealers.
Federal law requires federally licensed dealers to report guns that they know have been lost or stolen to law enforcement.
You Didn't Build That.
I'm fist pumping right now...
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:13pm.
That is the weakest argument I have ever heard. Essentially what you are saying is because a lot of people do something that makes it right? A lot of people drink and drive, so does that make it right? A lot of people commit adultery, does that make it right? A lot women have abortions, does that make it right?
OHHHHH you just got burned by Henry Clay!
Actually, no, he didn't
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:27pm.
Actually, HC, you consistently have made THE weakest arguments here.
This is your entire argument, here and elsewhere, concerning guns:
"I hate guns, and because I hate guns, no one should be allowed to have guns!"
It's a childish, stupid argument.
If you do like guns, like me, great. If you don't like them, DON'T F***ING BUY THEM.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Can you read?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:31pm.
Apparently NOT.
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~Burned?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:29pm.
Dude, you're armed with two flimsy sticks you're rubbing together in vain; you couldn't burn anyone with anything stronger than your rancid breath.
HC, Law of the land for hundreds of years..
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:34pm.
It's the Law, and that was some data to go with that LAW....
This LAW....
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
The good news is that you do NOT have a weapon that uses firepower.
Stay in your basement away from women, and cars.
You Didn't Build That.
Yeah, Hank, and I know what you have in your---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:39pm.
fist as you are pumping it.
The only release you get in your silly little existence is to amuse yourself while you abuse yourself.
You have NEVER, EVER, burned anyone at NBs with your lame-assed, flowery, liberal twaddle.
You merely show your ignorance as you rant like a druggie on a recreational pharmaceutical high.
You are an insipid putz.
MD
No...
Submitted by IdahoJim on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:53pm.
Because we support a lot of people who own guns and are responsible, law abiding citizens.
Drunk drivers, adulterers and women having abortions are the acts of irresponsible people.
P.S. I'm Pro-Life, if you haven't already guessed. A women would not be in an abortion clinic seeking an convient abortion if she and the guy were acting responsibly.
Personal responsibility: Try it!
IdahoJim
http://idahoandy.net
How can any of us defend possession of a gun?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:23pm.
Because we have the Constitutional RIGHT to own them.
If you choose not to, that's your affair.
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More on guns
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:29pm.
Well, if they declare the ShahinshahCare law constitutional, I say that IMMEDIATELY, we pass a law requiring everyone own a gun and be trained on their use.
That will send HC running from the country.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Great idea, Uns!
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:33pm.
If O-Care's mandate to buy health insurance is Constitutional, via the Commerce clause, then so would be the forced purchase, by the Government, of bleached flour pasta (we'll ban whole wheat) AND handguns.
Let's force the liberals to buy them both!
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Call the cops or defend yourself.
Submitted by IdahoJim on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:39pm.
So, according to you, call the police so they can come take away your dead body (and maybe that of your family) and examine the crime scene?
It takes cops an average of five minutes to get to the caller, but it takes less than 5 seconds to kill the caller.
I can see it all now. You:"Wait! don't shoot yet! I need to call the police first!"
IdahoJim
http://idahoandy.net
Wow Joe Biden was right,
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:48pm.
Wow Joe Biden was right, Conservatives hate cops and firefighters. You all act like the police are some inept group of untrained bumpkins. In reality most towns across the U.S. have community patrols. This means the police are proactive and are showing a presence in the community. They are not sitting at the station, but patrolling the streets making sure your safety is a priority.
"Wow Joe Biden was right".
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:00pm.
"Wow Joe Biden was right". Well, that statement right there pretty much rules out anything you say as being intelligent and relevant.
Conservatives hate cops? I got news for you, champ, most cops and firefighters are conservative. I didn't see anyone saying that the police were incompetent or inept, but that they cannot be everywhere at once. It's called "reality", a place liberals know little about.
~He didn't say they were sitting at the station
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:04pm.
You're still frenching your own strawmen. The police are always minutes away, and that's if you're even able to call them. I suppose you think that criminals always give their victims 30 seconds warning or so in order to give them an opportunity to call for help..
The point you're missing here, you pathetic little plagiarizing pustule, is that everyone has a right to defend themselves and their helpless loved ones from an attacker. Shifting the responsibility for your own safety to distant strangers is not only stupid, it is reprehensibly stupid. As a woman, I have not only myself to defend when my husband isn't here, I have small children to protect. While under normal circumstances I could take down the average male unarmed, I am currently 8 months pregnant, and anyone forcing himself into my house to hurt us would be met by a .45 hollowpoint.
For the unicorn-herd HC
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:12pm.
I'm no blanket fan of law enforcement (too many cops have lied to my face for that to be possible), but I will happily give them credit when credit is due, and as I have always said, cops are GREAT at investigating crime. They do a so-so job at deterrence, because, contrary to your happy fantasy land view of the world, they cannot be everywhere. When I turn on my local news, how many stories do I hear of murder, robberies, and other such events? How many of the stories end with "the police are still investigating"?
The police, my little unicorn-herd, are HUMAN. They are not going to be everywhere at once, and if someone kicks down my door right now, they could be tending to a murder or helping get a cat out of a tree. Or filling out endless paperwork. That is the reality. You may want to emerge from your precious little cocoon and join us in the real world. Last time I checked, when I call 911, a dude with a gun, a badge, ad a blue uniform, doesn't jump into a telephone booth, change clothes, and flies to the scene of the crime a la Superman.
P.S. For some reason I have yet to meet the cop who thinks gun control will do any good. Wonder why that is?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
So now the cops have a Star Trek Transporter, Henry?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:28pm.
Because, too bad for you, the Laws of Physics also apply.
You're an idiot if you think otherwise.
BTW, I haven't seen a cop in my neighborhood in at least 3 years. The last time was before we turned over the policing duties to Broward's Sheriff's Office to save money in my municipality. The "Sheriff" is now sitting in the Federal Hoosegow. Because he was so into the "metrics" of law enforcement, as opposed, to say....actual law enforcement.
Wallow in your ignorance Henry. It suits you so well.
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I don't hate anybody.
Submitted by IdahoJim on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:37pm.
Let me repeat, I don't hate anybody.
Although there are a lot of people I feel sorry for, like you.
The cops in our town do neighborhood patrols. We know them all by name and wave back and forth when we see them. But it still takes them far longer to respond to a call for help (if the thug even gives you a chance) then it takes to smash, stab, cut, and yes, even shoot people. The might make it in time to stop a strangling, but by then you would already be (more) brain dead.
IdahoJim
http://idahoandy.net
Oh, OK
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:30pm.
Oh, I missed this: so I hate firefighters now, huh?
Never mind I WAS one once...
Do you have any idea how many firefighters do their work FOR FREE?
When't the last time YOU contributed to a VFD, huh, HC?
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Come on unsane*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:54pm.
Hank would never associate with THOSE kind of people...
In 2009, there were 11,493 deaths as a result of firearms
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:38pm.
in the US according to the CDC. There were 39,031 deaths by way of vehicular accident. Which is easier to qualify for, a driver's license or a gun license? And if guns should be banned due to the harm "they" inflict on the population, shouldn't vehicles be banned under a similar prerequisite?
More stats: There were an estimated 247,421,120 registered passenger vehicles in the United States according to a 2005 DOT study. Using the two numbers (cars/deaths) from the two (admittedly different- but reasonably relative) years, that's one death per 6339 cars.
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United States (2007) is 270,000,000. The same formula reveals guns deaths to be one per 23,492 guns.
One could say that there are significantly more vehicles than the number of registered passenger vehicles, which is true; but one could counter that there are significantly more unregistered guns than those estimated in the 2007 survey. And it's a certainty that the the vast majority of gun deaths were at the hands of illegal gun owners.
So again, ban cars?
Nah, just ban ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:01pm.
the Mudhead and we can forego wasting our time, common sense, and intelligence on an individual who possesses only one of those three items.
MD
"Trayvon Martin ambush and slaughter"
Submitted by dyardley on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:51pm.
Biased much???? These senseless tragedies will stop only when people begin obeying the laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS!!! These guns don't fire themselves you know. Have you been reading ANY of the information finally coming out about what actually may have happened? Didn't think so or you would know that this story may be very different from what the NBC, ABC, etc. of the world would have us believe. Wait for the facts before you repeat inflamatory tripe.
In ref to 'Out of Control Gun Laws'
Submitted by spallatial on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:13pm.
Who allows any freak to carry a gun anywhere? Law abiding citizens that have concealed carry permits know they cannot carry into certain areas like Courthouses, Schools, stores that prohibit guns, etc. Someone with a concealed carry permit gets checked out by the State Police and FBI Database, has to have attended a class and in some instances shown proficiency, fingerprinted in some jurisdictions, and answered truthfully on an application. Do Criminals or Freaks go to those lengths to carry a gun legally? Tough gun control in Illinois and Maryland but yet lots of Murders in Chicago and Baltimore. Gun control is not going to stop accidents or people from being stupid. Also, the gun carrying person is the minority in the vast gun ownership realm. Millions of people of all ages compete with firearms and collect.
Freaks follow the law
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:22pm.
Ask any incarcerated Hitman and he would tell you, that he never broke a gun law. He is in jail because he killed someone. In many instances he followed all state laws to the tee. That includes registration, classes, and fingerprinting.
"Incarcerated Hitman"??? I
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:24pm.
"Incarcerated Hitman"??? I think you're watching to many Soprano reruns, Hank. Please tell us all how many "incarcerated Hitmen" there are in our prsions, please.
HC undermines his own argument
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:44pm.
Thanks, HC, for admitting that gun control laws fail and fail every time they are tried.
Ever notice how crime-free Switzerland is, even though "most Swiss males are required to keep in their homes either a SIG 7.5 mm Stgw or the newer 5.56mm SG550/551"? (-from Tom Clancy's "But I Like To Shoot")
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Prove it.
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:49pm.
Cite which peer-reviewed, replicable study which proved this point.
Otherwise, bugger off.
We're done with your stupidity, Mudboy.
"I have asked this question of many incarcerated hitmen,
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:52pm.
and they've all assured me they always follow the letter of the law, including keeping their Hitman License up to date."
Hitman
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:30pm.
OMO! Over on my Gator boards we had a troll who was even dumber than this one....and he kept shaggin' the recruitment of some poor child named "Hitman".
The troll got banned, and we Gators have never again heard of Hitman. Until now. ROTFL.
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B: yeah, they're not known for their self-preservation instincts
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:47pm.
This one especially... Max Cady in 'Cape Fear' would have had a real ball with the Clay family.
Registration, classes and fingerprinting?
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:12pm.
Pure, unadulterated, steaming piles of manure, Hank. That's all you post. You care to source your claim? Link or slink, douche. Show us the articles with interviews with "incarcerated hitmen". Or, are you relying on movies again, because the left in Hollyweird would never lie, right?
For the control freak HC
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:44pm.
I'm sorry, HC, but murder wasn't invented along with handguns. What, you think people can't be killed with knives? Golf clubs? Baseball bats? Cars? Bare hands?
We don't have ENOUGH "pro-gun" laws. The cops do a bang-up job on INVESTIGATING crime. But that is cold comfort to a rape victim, a murder victim, people killed after a home invasion, etc. One tragedy AVERTED I note you conveniently left off the list was the story of that brave widow who blasted two idiots trying to break into her home in OK to do Shahinshah-knows-what. When did the cops show? Why, 20 minutes after the call was made. She lived out in the country and no matter what, law enforcement was not going to get there in time. You have no problem with helpless and no problem with letting the criminals do what they wanted with her and her kid. In your sick mind, she was going to be morally superior and that is something she should of kept in mind while being raped and murdered. To me, I think she did the best thing of all, by ridding the world of two bits of vermin.
They allow any freak to possess and carry a gun anywhere. It would be nice if you could either post your talking points without lying or at least knowing what you are talking about. Here in TX, if you are a felon, you cannot be NEAR a gun. If you have a Class C misdemeanor or worse, you cannot get a CHL. I have a CHL and that's because the Department of Public Safety saw, and verified, after I signed affidavits to that effect, that I don't have anything on my record other than traffic tickets.
By the way, remember Colin Ferguson? Yeah, that freak. He shot up a commuter train in NY in December 1993. You know how many gun control laws he broke? NONE. In fact, he followed ALL of them to the letter. You know what that did from preventing him from doing what he wanted to do? Not a damn thing. All it really succeeded in doing is stopping any of his victims from having a reasonable chance of defending themselves.
I realize, HC, you HATE guns, and that above all you hate the fact that the government isn't micromanaging and controlling every single last aspect of your life. You are ACHING to turn over every last ounce of economic and political freedom you have to the government. I get that. But in the meantime, you have to live like an adult, not a Ward of the State. I would appreciate it if you decided to NOT be a nosy busybody and order people around and tell them what they can and cannot purchase. I like guns and own a mere two and am working on a third. You are free to own a gun just like anything else. If you don't want one, DON'T F***ING BUY ONE.
"The law is far, the fist is near." - Korean proverb
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Guns and Government
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:06pm.
Murder was not invented with guns; guns just made murder easier and less personal. Do you realize how close you would have to be to kill someone with a knife, bat, or bare hands? With a gun if you are a decent shot you could be 20 yards away from your victim. Guns cheapen life.
Secondly, you are arguing for vigilante justice. You want people to take the law into there own hands. Some people may label that type of thinking as anarchy. You are pushing for an armed militant society, as if we where Sparta. Shall we throw our children off the cliffs as well? Where does it end?
Finally, I do not want government to micromanage my life; but I am a grown man who is thoughtful enough to understand the basic premise of government that you fail to understand. Governments were set up so that individuals could live in a society together without having to worry about who has the most ammunition. Our ancestors entered into a social contract guaranteeing our property rights. In entering into that contract they had to acquiesce some freedoms, (like possessing a nuclear warhead) but they thought it was worth it to live in peace.
Such idiocy, HC!
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:24pm.
Guns cheapen life Actually, Leftists cheapen life. Constantly.
Your argument boils down to this, exactly: "I hate guns so no one should be allowed to own guns!" I find people who whistle while they work aggravating; do I advocate the banning of whistling while people work?
Secondly, you are arguing for vigilante justice. You want people to take the law into there own hands This is a testament to your inability to read. Cops are there to deter crime and investigate crime. They do the latter far better than the former, because of something called human nature: if I have made the decision to commit a crime, if a cop stops me from doing so, it's his lucky day. I can walk out right now and start blowing away people on the street and the cops aren't getting here ANY faster.
It's great that we have such things as cops and laws but they aren't going to be enough. If someone kicks down the door to my pad to steal my belongings. he isn't going to say, contrary to the fantasy-land you reside in, "hey, I'm a man of honor. I'll give you two minutes to call the cops." By the time the cops get here, I'm going to be ripped off or dead.
I prefer to be able to defend myself and my property. That bothers you immensely, but then the principles of freedom and private property bother you to no end.
Governments were set up so that individuals could live in a society together without having to worry about who has the most ammunition. Our ancestors entered into a social contract guaranteeing our property rights. In entering into that contract they had to acquiesce some freedoms, (like possessing a nuclear warhead) but they thought it was worth it to live in peace. I suggest you actually do something you utterly refuse to do: study history. This is not why governments were set up. You know why the Second Amendment is in the Constitution? Because THE GOVERNMENT, WHICH YOUR WORSHIP AND LOVE AS GOD, WAS NOT TRUSTED, EVEN IN ENGLAND, WITH THE ABILITY TO PROTECT AND DEFEND CITIZENS. ON THE CONTRARY, OUR ENGLISH ANCESTORS SAW STANDING ARMIES AND ARMED POLICE FORCES AS A THREAT TO FREEDOM. THEREFORE, in the end, YOU ARE BETTER OFF DEFENDING YOUR OWN DAMN SELF.
Wind up as a chalk outline for all I care, HC. You'll go to your grave feeling morally superior to us rednecks. But me, I'm going to blow the bastard away before he gets to me. But then, self-preservation is an instinct I still possess. (h/t, The Wolf)
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
~What Hank is trying to say
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:43pm.
is that he'd rather all murder victims were bludgeoned, stabbed, or thrown out of windows. Nice little pacifist.
Hammering is the next big craze.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:50pm.
No, I mean real hammers.
Insane
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:42pm.
Wow, I thought you conservatives studied the works of Locke and Rousseau- you certainly fooled me. I think someone needs a quick history and philosophy lesson: Governments were set up to defend the weakest of society, otherwise they would be killed or enslaved by the physically stronger or whoever had the larger army. Thus, we entered into something called the social contract where some of our freedoms were taken to receive other freedoms.
Secondly, the second amendment is one of those things called a collective right. It was written to deal with militias, sanctioned by the government. No private armies, those are illegal. You just cannot start up your own army to protect you cul-de-sac. When I say collective right, I mean not an individual right, kind of like the tenth amendment sport. For your homework tonight I want you to explain George Washington’s and Alexander Hamilton’s response to something called Shay’s Rebellion. Or Jackson’s response to South Carolina, or Lincoln’s response to the entire Southern portion of the United States.
Finally, why do you hate police officers so much? Did you flunk out of the academy?
big reach hank*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:55pm.
You just compared your version of militant treasonous actions to be the same as people protecting their own safety and that of their families from criminals. We have laws, yes, but human beings are not sheep hank. Humans have free will. There will be criminals and whackos in a country of 330m regardless of laws and size of nanny government regulating every aspect of our lives.
Just like any liberal, you are all drama and no reality in your little lib ivory tower.
Fast N' furious... flinging mud.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:02pm.
Looks like you skipped the part of giving free guns to Mexican drug dealers.
You Didn't Build That.
For the condescending HC
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:31pm.
Finally, why do you hate police officers so much? Did you flunk out of the academy? Not that this is any of your business, but the number one sin someone can commit is simply to lie. I never have attended a police academy. But again, though it is none of your business, I have no doubt I could become a cop. I have the academic qualifications and many PDs, if not all, give extra points for being a veteran.
Wow, I thought you conservatives studied the works of Locke and Rousseau- you certainly fooled me. I think someone needs a quick history and philosophy lesson: Governments were set up to defend the weakest of society, otherwise they would be killed or enslaved by the physically stronger or whoever had the larger army. Thus, we entered into something called the social contract where some of our freedoms were taken to receive other freedoms. Wow. Nothing says "condescension" like scolding and lecturing someone who has in fact studied history most of his life - from what I can see here, longer than you have been alive. Study some history sometime. At the time the Constitution was written, the two greatest threats to freedom, in the minds of many at the time, were standing armies and -wait for it! - ARMED POLICE FORCES. You may want to read a document called The Federalist Papers sometime - a series of documents replete with warnings about standing armies.
Before you break out your Locke and Rosseau, you may want to study history a bit more carefully. Governments exist to protect the weakest in society? Since when? That is exactly the thinking of Leftists such as yourself who see the government as an all-loving, benevolent parent - a far cry from days when the government was not to be trusted, which is what the American tradition is (and that is something you obviously are not at all familiar with). Governments are a tool of society; a way society enforces its will upon others, often by force. In the longer stretch, governments have existed to oppress and kill people who do not follow society's or the monarch's (or both's) dictates.
Secondly, the second amendment is one of those things called a collective right. It was written to deal with militias, sanctioned by the government. No private armies, those are illegal. You just cannot start up your own army to protect you cul-de-sac. When I say collective right, I mean not an individual right, kind of like the tenth amendment sport. For your homework tonight I want you to explain George Washington’s and Alexander Hamilton’s response to something called Shay’s Rebellion. Or Jackson’s response to South Carolina, or Lincoln’s response to the entire Southern portion of the United States. Further proof you are extremely unfamiliar with history. Where did these militias come from? Why, from PEOPLE WHO HAD THEIR OWN GUNS AND MADE THEMSELVES PROFICIENT WITH THEM. And because of the source of these militias, they needed to keep their own guns. Period. Not to mention guns were needed by people to defend themselves in places where the law could not reach (a common occurrence especially in the early days of the Republic) and to simply put food on the table.
Lincoln's response to the entire Souther portion of the United States...you mean The Civil War? Don't argue with me on the name of the war waged in the United States from April 1861 to April 1865 or I will make you look like an absolute idiot.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Uns
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:12pm.
Well that was one complete @$$ whooping you gave Henry. Expect him to flee to the hills until tomorrow, at the earliest.
Oh No....
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:50pm.
You don't get to dole out assignments here.
Keep up the arrogance, though....and you'll be off in Dead Kennedy land.
I know so much more about Unsane than you do that your final para is just insanely silly.
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Death Threats Now?
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:06pm.
“Keep up the arrogance, though....and you'll be off in Dead Kennedy land”
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/comment/reply/54879/1670957#ixzz1r1OWOUQM
Were you threatening to kill me like JFK and RFK because I disagreed about guns? Wow this is a little too psycho for my liking…. I guess I’ll talk to you all later when not so many gun nuts are around.
doofus mud*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:17pm.
Dead Kennedy Land AKA....."access denied"
You have been an NB member for 2 yrs. Your dramatic exit once again shows how little you pay attention to what others post or posters.
Caj
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:20pm.
As dumb as Clay is, I don't think he's that dumb. He's looking for a way to hide from getting his @$$ kicked.
Death Threats?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:23pm.
You cannot be serious!
ROTFL.
You're my huckleberry.
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B: with luck, Master Thespian has been runneth offeth
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:39pm.
by your violent rhetoric ;)
Oh my....I better go stand in the corner
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:47pm.
(um, the kitchen)....I just got a new toy and made cinnamon buns!
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Show off!
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:53pm.
:)
Henrietta, for your homework
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:59pm.
Henrietta, for your homework tonight you need to study Rousseau. He was not someone who conservatives admire.
Know why, Henrietta? Because he was a Jacobin. Kinda like you. And Jacobins have no place in conservatism. What is more, you should have said Locke and Montesquieu.
But you didn't because you are simply too dense to know the difference.
One more item for your studies: Rousseau believed that the natural man (you, for example) is virtually no different than an ape.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Rousseau
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:13pm.
Rousseau was quite the freak and why he is mentioned in the pantheon of Enlightment philosophers is beyond my ability to grasp. Rousseau was also in some ways the first environmentalist whacko, and was a misogynist of the highest order.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Here we go again!
Submitted by IdahoJim on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 5:21pm.
How many gun owners are there? How many commit these crimes? The vast ultra giant majority of these gun owners are responsible, not freaks.
Taking away guns from responsible owners just put guns on the black market where anybody can buy an illegal gun. Says the old saw "When people can't own guns, only criminal will have guns". Did you fail to notice that the states with the lowest crime rate have the loosest gun regulations? Would you pull a break-in on a house that maybe belongs to a gun owner? Would you attack a woman that may have a gun in her purse or concealed elsewhere?
All those shooters listed passed the federal screening. There were not "freaks" when they bought the gun. How would you do the screening? If you can tell which people buying guns today are going to "freak out" in the future and start shooting, share the magic formula with us or pipe down.
Bombs are illegal to own, but they are still used by the criminal and terrorist individuals and groups. The 9/11 hijackers were armed with simple box cutters and they managed to kill themselves and 3000+ people without firing one single shot!
Do you want to make cars illegal because a couple of drivers have slammed their cars into a crowd? How about aircraft? If they were outlawed, they could no longer be flown into any more buildings. How about fast food? Feed too much of it to someone you hate and they will be miserable for a long time and then dead.
At the Tuscon shooting, there were several people carrying concealed weapons. Unlike the shooter, they chose not to draw and shoot through the crowd. That is the number one reason that they are considered responsible gun owners.
There are so many weapons available besides guns that outlawing gun ownership for responsible people is just stupid.
And the answer to your last question is: Never. Where there is the will, there is always a way.
IdahoJim
http://idahoandy.net
Already Under Control
Submitted by IrateNate on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:31pm.
With the same tired argument, any senseless shooting is an excuse for the moonbats to take up gun control. Actually, current gun laws do not allow "any freak to possess and carry a gun anywhere". But, as happens more often than not, those who know the least speak the loudest. Laws which allow citizens to possess firearms are not "pro-gun" as you imply, as they neither promote or encourage gun ownership. They just don't outlaw it; they are not "anti-gun". Yet.
I own several firearms and have not contributed to any of the heinous acts you describe. Surely you're not suggesting that the right to protect myself and my family must be forfeit because of the actions of a few brain-dead individuals, are you?
What are you thinking, that "tougher" gun laws will convince criminals to give up their guns? Look up "criminal" in the dictionary, and I think you'll understand compliance with the law is not high on their list of priorities.
Senseless tragedies will only stop when mankind quits producing senseless people. It is unfortunate, but that will never happen - nothing will ever change that fact. No amount of ignorant progressive legislation will stop the stupid from behaving stupidly.
How many murders could be prevented had Crazy Bob just paused and realized, "Gee, killing people with a gun is against the law. I guess it's miniature golf again tonight." My guess would be around...zero.
No, when Crazy Bob snaps, and the voices tell him to kill people, he will find a weapon and he will kill them. If he can't find a gun, he will find an axe, a hammer, a screwdriver, or a pointed stick. Try regulating that.
And, when Crazy Bob decides to invade my home, the current gun laws allow me options other than trying to stop him by explaining the most recent bit of pointless anti-gun legislation.
You seem worried about senseless tragedies, so why don't we just stop making cars, or just outlaw private automobile ownership? These silly "pro-driving" laws are completely out of control. I mean, any idiot can buy and drive a car these days. I've seen them. They're everywhere.
In 2010, 45,000 people died in motor vehicle related accidents, compared to 30,000 firearm related deaths (and that includes suicides).
Using the same warped argument for gun control, outlawing cars would make it harder for criminals to drive one, right?
Why, just yesterday, a young newlywed couple were simply walking down the road, holding hands, when they were stuck down and killed by a fully-automatic Chevy. Yes, the driver was drunk, well over the legal limit, he had an expired license, but had no insurance. Where's the outrage, Hank?
As soon as we outlaw driving, drinking while driving, driving without a license, driving without insurance, and being stupid, we can work on gun control. I'm with you, Buddy!
Nate ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 1:49am.
Great.
MD
Beard v US: Stand your ground upheld by SCOTUS 1895
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:43pm.
http://supreme.vlex.com/vid/beard-v-united-states-20059839
he must be nervous
Submitted by Kuso Jiji on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:59pm.
that someone may take matters into the own hands.
They never played a Sam
Submitted by RR GOP on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 1:19am.
They never played a Sam Kinison clip I'm sure. He'd give all these Commies hell.
"Under Capitalism, man exploits man. Under Communism it's just the opposite."
"All that Communism needs to make it successful is for someone to feed and clothe it."