Mark Halperin Claims Conservative Pundits Are Hoping Obama Fails In His Tucson Speech – But Where Is the Evidence?
Time magazine's Mark Halperin scolded "media voices on the Right" on MSNBC Wednesday, for hoping President Obama fails in his Wednesday night speech in Tucson, Arizona. He railed against conservative media pundits for wishing such a thing during a national tragedy.
"It should be about the victims, and...it shouldn't be about the media," said Halperin on "Morning Joe" Wednesday. "There are media voices on the Right who are cheering for the President to fail in his speech tonight. They're hoping he does a bad job. And that is the problem."
There's just one problem – who exactly has been saying that? Liberal media watchdog Media Matters has not yet documented an instance of such rhetoric. Internet searches reveal no stories of conservative media wishing for the President to fail in his speech.
The conversation on "Morning Joe" at the beginning of the 6 a.m. EST hour focused on the need for civility in political rhetoric. "This is a national crisis. People talk about Oklahoma City, think about President Reagan and the Challenger. This is a moment where people should be praying that the President does a great job of unifying the country," Halperin preached.
Co-host Joe Scarborough reiterated what has become a mantra for him – "Keep Calm and Carry On." Scarborough scolded conservatives for moving away from a debate on civil discourse, even though the shooting was not caused by violent political rhetoric, as some on the Left would believe.
"I think the Right's trying to move too quickly away from this conversation, to say 'Oh, look, okay so you can't blame this all directly on Sarah Palin, because this guy's crazy. He's crazy!' So now we're not going to have any conversation about how hate speech over the past two decades may have contributed to a coarsened culture that indirectly could have had an impact."
Co-host Mika Brzezinski referenced a CBS News poll showing 57 percent of Americans believing harsh political rhetoric did not cause the shooting. "So Americans feel like it's just a crazy person, for the most part, looking at this poll. Having said that, what do we talk about every day?" she asked. Since "Morning Joe" continually pleads for civil political discourse, one can wonder if Brzezinski was dismayed at the findings and wishes more Americans got their take on current events from the pundit panel on "Morning Joe."
Scarborough, once again, self-righteously trumpeted his "conservative" record, and thus used it to enhance his image as a critic of the Right. "Conservatives are saying move along. Again, people that I dare say stack my voting record up over four terms to their voting records, and I will come out much more conservative, but because I'm saying 'Let's have a rational discussion about where we've – what we've become as a country', suddenly I'm a Left-wing whatever?" Scarborough constantly trumpets his "conservative" record, but recent instances might show otherwise: here, here, here, and here.
A transcript of the segment, which aired on January 12 at 6:10 a.m. EST, is as follows:
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Mark Halperin, The Arizona Republic is not a conservative newspaper anymore. Most Republicans I know that serve out there see it as a pretty staunch ally of Democrats in that state.
MARK HALPERIN: I think it is pretty clear that it is appropriate and good to have a debate about the rhetoric in this country, irrespective of why the violence occurred. It's just a good time to have that important debate. The modus operandi of all political combat has been the only way you can combat angry speech is to come back and be angry yourself. And that's in effect what the sheriff did, and I think the paper's right. We need to find a way to speak out against unnecessarily angry and partisan speech, unnecessarily angry and partisan, without being angry and partisan.
SCARBOROUGH: You know, Andrew Sullivan actually took your side yesterday about the Brooks column, and said that he thought David Brooks was trying to whitewash this event too quickly, and thought we needed to talk about civil discourse. And while we were all offended – and Willie, we've talked about it – we were offended about how two minutes after the shooting went public, the Left was immediately trying to blame the Right – I think the Right's trying to move too quickly away from this conversation, to say "Oh, look, okay so you can't blame this all directly on Sarah Palin, because this guy's crazy. He's crazy! So now we're not going to have any conversation about how hate speech over the past two decades may have contributed to a coarsened culture that indirectly could have had an impact.
WILLIE GEIST: It's a great time for the conversation, I would echo –
SCARBOROUGH: But they don't want to have it.
GEIST: They don't want to have it. Echoes something that Barnicle said yesterday, the most offensive thing to me is how (unintelligible) this has become, which is David Brooks writing about the rhetoric, and then Andrew Sullivan writing about David Brooks writing about the rhetoric, and it's become all about the press, and how important it is, our jobs are important. There are – six people were murdered, and a congresswoman is laying in a hospital with a hole in her head. It's just – I would suggest we stop talking about ourselves.
SCARBOROUGH: A little nine year-old girl, while she was being rushed to the hospital where she eventually died – there were people already online, trying to make political points with this.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: But there's a really important, constructive, calm conversation that we can have about this that we should have. Look at this poll, we're not the only ones. This isn't about us, this is about exactly what the tone and the culture is out there right now. This is a CBS News poll that finds the majority of Americans – 57 percent believe that harsh political tone in the U.S. had nothing to do with the shooting compared to 32 percent who felt it did.
So Americans feel like it's just a crazy person, for the most part, looking at this poll. Having said that, what do we talk about every day? What do we talk about every day here?
JOHN HEILEMANN: Well I think the defensiveness on the Right has been very telling. You know, the way they've climbed on top of their battle stations in this way. But look, there are some facts, as Willie's pointing out – there are some facts that are true over the course of the last couple of years. There's been an extraordinary increase in the last two years in threats on government officials across the board. We've had this crazy period of very intense rhetoric, especially since President Obama came in. In the Congress, there have been more threats. In the White House, there have been more threats. There are White House officials that did not have Secret Service details that now have Secret Service details after the health care vote, because the Secret Service was concerned about their lives. There have been more assaults on Congressional offices around the country. This is a moment where, it's not just about – the questions that we're trying to talk about civil discourse. This particular incident may or may not be directly related to the increase in the heatedness of the rhetoric. But there is this climate, especially in the last two years – it goes back further, but especially in the last two years – is leading to actual tangible threats. This stuff is going up empirically, and that's why we need to be discussing it, because it's a real problem.
SCARBOROUGH: John, how can we not discuss it when a congresswoman is shot through her head in a district that had a bullet target on it, when she ran against an opponent that had an ad in the newspaper that said "Come shoot an M-16 with whatever the guy's name was," and he had some pretty inflammatory language – how can we not have that conversation? I say this – and this is the sickness of our political culture – I say this as a small-government conservative with a 100 percent NRA voting record, a 100 percent right-to-life voting record, I voted to abolish cabinet agencies left and right. I have been the conservatives' conservative, but because I say we need to step back from the abyss, well I'm not a true conservative anymore. Joe, what happened to you? What I hear all the time – what happened to me? I mean, if somebody thought they ever voted for me because I was going to do a nod and wink to violent acts, well they voted in ignorance. Well that's how sick our culture is, it's become clannish. You choose your side, right?
So a Muslim shooter kills people on an army base, and as Robert Reich says this morning, immediately the Left tries to make this guy look insane, the Right makes him try to look sane. A Democratic congresswoman is shot at, and immediately the Right tries to make him insane, and the Left tries to make him, well – it's just, it is so sickening. It is clannish.
BRZEZINSKI: I think the word you just used, which is the most important one, is "immediately." You know when this happened, we all got on the phone. We were on the phone with out families, and watching the coverage. We worried about exactly what we thought might be behind this, just like everybody else did. We thought about it, we talked about going on the air the next day. You know what? We decided against it, because we wanted to think about it, write about it, and then calmly talk about it. Because that would be moving forward. Jumping to the airwaves and jumping to the internet and throwing blame and acting, quite frankly, exactly in a way that we worried about, which might have caused this –
SCARBOROUGH: I mean, if we don't talk about this now – I want to get back to this, because conservatives are saying move along. Again, people that I dare say stack my voting record up over four terms to their voting records, and I will come out much more conservative, but because I'm saying "Let's have a rational discussion about where we've – what we've become as a country, suddenly I'm a Left-wing whatever?
BRZEZINSKI: That's not fair.
SCARBOROUGH: A traitor to the conser – I mean, I don't give a damn what they say, because they're wrong. I know who I am. But how do we move past this discussion at this point? How do we not talk about where –
HALPERIN: It has not all been negative. I think most elected officials – most – have behaved surprisingly good, well in instances since Saturday. They have been heartfelt, they have been soul-searching, they have been dignified. It should be about the victims, and it should be about – it shouldn't be about the media, but I will say, there are media voices on the Right who are cheering for the President to fail in his speech tonight. They're hoping he does a bad job. And that is the problem. That is the conversation we've had – this is a national crisis. People talk about Oklahoma City, think about President Reagan and the Challenger. This is a moment where people should be praying that the President does a great job of unifying the country.
SCARBOROUGH: To that point, Willie, I got e-mails yesterday from people saying "Oh God, Barack Obama's going to use this for political gain now, and he's going to come across looking compassionate.
BRZEZINSKI: Wow.
SCARBOROUGH: Really?
HALPERIN: Hope so.
SCARBOROUGH: I hope so. I hope so. I hope the President succeeds.
HEILEMANN: There's one conservative, one conservative, Joe, who wrote this phrase. David Frum wrote this phrase. He said this talk, this kind of talk, this talk did not cause this crime. But this crime should summon us to some reflection on this talk.
SCARBOROUGH: Exactly.
HEILEMANN: Very rare from a conservative in the last few days, and I think exactly right.
SCARBOROUGH: And Robert Reich, again in the Times, and we're going to read about this, talks about how yes, in this incident, this harsh rhetoric did not cause this event most likely. But look at the event where the guy was pulled over going up to San Francisco going up to kill people in a non-profit organization that had been vilified as socialists who were trying to destroy America? C'mon, let's stop fooling ourselves. It's – I agree, we've got to have a discussion.
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I think a great NB poll question would be:
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:33pm.
If you were a relative or friend of one of those killed in this senseless tragedy, would you want Barack Obama to speak at their memorial?
My answer would be no.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Not sure about that...Pima County is...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:40pm.
heavily Democratic, so it's possible that they majority of the people and families involved in this tragedy may well be pleased that Obama will be speaking at their memorial...Who knows.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
PS,
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:48pm.
You're probably right about the people who live inside the county.
After all, they did elect Sheriff Dipstick. :-O
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
The coming Odrama speech
Submitted by another_old_veteran on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:57pm.
You can bet your last dollar that Odrama will make damn sure his words aim at 2012.
PS. The sheriff may actually be the leading contender for the title of JACKWAGON. It will be a toss up between him and Shultz.
“If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best possible, elite education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is completely impervious to reality.” - Halton C. Arp
Dave...Yep, for the last 30+ years...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:01pm.
Can you actually believe that Dupnik has been in office since 1980? Apparently the good folks of Pima County must think he's just peachy keen...Go figure.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
My vote
Submitted by NevadanConservative on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:37pm.
No.
There is no evidence...Just as there was no evidence...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:36pm.
for the erroneous contentions that the right and the Tea Party had anything to do with the shooting in Arizona...This is Halperin's half-baked, bs laden opinion. He's really batting a thousand, the last couple of day's isn't he?
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
I heard this conversation
Submitted by marpel on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:44pm.
I heard this conversation this morning. It's the only show on TV that makes me angry enough to wake up to go to work. Correction, I'm not even angry anymore..I pity these people on Morning Joe...they're so stupid and so narrow minded that it makes me sad for the Tri-State area (I presume the people in these states are the only ones who believe this crap). This is all the people know...this drivle from Joe "I was in Congress" Scarborough and his little band of followers. The only halfway redeemable person on that show is Willie Geist.
"Deep within my heart lies a memory. A song of ol' San Antone..."
When has lack of evidence ever stopped these guys before?
Submitted by Phryj1 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:45pm.
They can get away with throwing around whatever totally false accusations they want without ever facing reprisal. Why would they stop now, especially when they can paint conservative pundits as accessory to murder?
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
It seems that Halperin is
Submitted by Odin's Underling on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 6:45pm.
It seems that Halperin is following along the same lines as that Sheriff Dupnik. They're just making up stuff.
Talking about civil discourse
Submitted by KC Mulville on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:00pm.
What, exactly, do you plan to say about it?
It's becoming clear what's happening here. Liberals were convinced that this incident proved that rhetoric leads to violence. Finally, they had some evidence! They rushed to the internet and mainstream media to wave this incident as proof of their assumptions. And when reality hit home, and they discovered that their assumption (like so many liberal assumptions) simply wasn't true, now they don't know what to do with themselves. They're left with this hollow indignation. They were CERTAIN they had finally acquired evidence, but now they realize Sarah Palin had nothing to do with this violence.
So, pathetically, they're trying to push the idea that we should conduct the conversation about a link between rhetoric and violence ... a link they're still convinced exists ... even if there's no evidence for it. Even when their proof goes poof, they want to have a conversation as if it had been proved.
Pleading for a conversation about a conclusion when the premises have already been disproved ... is intellectually unhealthy.
The left wing bomb throwers
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:05pm.
The left wing bomb throwers have no confidence in the Ass Clown's ability to actually be a human being, let alone the president of the United States of America during tonights, make or break speech, as well they should.
They're just parroting the latest White House talking points, in a lame attempt to lower expectations, through yet one more paranoid character ASSASINATION attempt on conservatives.
Barack_Must_Go.....
Low expectations
Submitted by American.Patriot on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:45pm.
Is a byproduct of affirmative actionMark, there is one problem with your premise
Submitted by Kansasgirl on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:15pm.
When Ronald Reagan was President, we didn't have to pray that his speech would connect with America...we knew it would.
Your worry is...America doesn't connect with this regime, so, you will do anything in your power to prop up Obama.
libs
Submitted by charlietexas on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:25pm.
I swear I've never heard a more whiney bunch of people in all my days. They get the crap kicked out of em in an election and they just whine MORE....get a life for heaven's sake. They should get ready to get the crap kicked out of em in 2012.
They just love to divide.....keep it up they will be gone.
charlie, the won the election
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:34pm.
charlie, the won the election in 2008 and still whined.
Halperin's Failed As A Human Being,...
Submitted by BBallleaper on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:24pm.
so I guess my hoping he failed paid off!
Obama will make the
Submitted by American.Patriot on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:43pm.
Speech about himself. Narcissistic turd that he is.True Dat
Submitted by Vonu on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 8:26pm.
!
I'm with Jonah Goldberg..
Submitted by Grym on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 7:43pm.
He was on Fox News with Megyn Kelly and some other left-wing talk radio host and agreed that if there is a debate to have over "Heated Rhetoric" then lets have it.. Just don't sit here and try to link it as the cause of this slaughter...
I don't think they want to do that.. .they want to link it and use it as proof and then shut down the debate. Because we all know that the internet is a wonderful thing and even though people try to get all Orwellian and toss things down the memory whole, a LOT of evidence can be brought forward against the left of how Hateful they have been over the last few decades especially since Al Gore invented the internet...
The real reason for all the
Submitted by Barack_must_go..... on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 8:02pm.
The real reason for all the vitriolic rhetoric aimed especially at Sarah Palin is simply because just when liberals are being forced to face the reality that Barack Obama isn't going to be turning the United States into the socialist utopia they yearn for, the real possibility that Sarah may run, win the nomination and then beat their chosen one in 2012 could quite possibly force the lot of them to pack their bags and move to France.
Barack_Must_Go.....
A Leopard does not change his spots
Submitted by cestes on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 8:12pm.
My take on this is BHO does not have to address the topic of political tone or rhetoric. The accomplices in the media are handling that with remarkable yet predictable style and finesse. He will make a limp attempt to sound caring and compassionate but can't connect to the human element as he's so cold and aloof. It's all about setting the table for 2012 and the illusion of unity. The crisis will not be wasted, just twisted and manipulated by his friends in the media.
Where Is the Evidence?
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 8:33pm.
Here.....↑ ? (Okay, not a pundit, but definitely a Conservative.)
Halperin Back At His War Station
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:23pm.
I see Halperin is following his own advice to turn the other cheek and criticize one's own side.
Someone failed to inform us that Halperin joined the Tighty Righties overnight.
(sarcasm/off)
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AZ Aftermath: Halperin Condemns Conservatives for Not 'Turning Other Cheek'"MARK HALPERIN: I just want to single out one thing. I don't want to over-generalize but I think the media and the politicians have behaved pretty well so far. The thing I'm most concerned about now is the anger on the right-wing commenatariat: on Fox, and George Will, and other conservatives are, in some cases justifiably upset at liberals. But they're turning this right now, in the last 24 hours, back into the standard operating procedure of all of this is war and fodder for content, rather than trying to bring the country together.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Wait a second, Mark. I think they would say that you have that backwards. That a shooting was turned into fodder to attack conservatives.
HALPERIN: And I, and I, and I already made that criticism as well. They're right. But rather than seizing on it and turning the other cheek, they are back at their war stations. And that's not going to help us."
Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2011/01/11/az-aftermath-halperin-praises-media-condemns-fox-news-and-conserva#new#ixzz1AsFbiTSx
→ That's good, strat
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:25pm.
Halperin has been incessant in his efforts to draw contrast between himself and logical thought.
I am all for him continuing.
Cool Arrow...
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 01/12/2011 - 9:37pm.
I don't know if you read the posts between Jer and I, but this is a followup to last night's posts based on this latest Halperin verbiage.
Tha shamwow I believed Halperin laid down yesterday appears to be supported by his words today.
Hey, I was hoping he'd do a good job!!!
Submitted by pbthinker on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 12:25am.
I've seen this President make speeches where he seemed like nothing more than a partisan hack who had decided he didn't want to be President of the whole country just the Blue States. Tonight, finally, he stepped up and made a speech to and for the American People and I'll tell the world how happy I was that he did a decent job.
These pundits must be remember back to the days when President Bush was making a speech and to their thoughts. They always think that conservatives are like them and want the other guy to fail all the time. Where else would they get t his idea.
Fail????
Submitted by Cyborg 0427 on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 7:40am.
Nobody has to want Obama to fail at anything, he fails at everthing he goes for for without any ill wishes from us. He needs no help to fail, he does quite well on his own. In fact failure has been the hallmark of his presidency. The only thing he has not failed at is breaking things that weren't broken, or maybe displacing Carter as being the worst president in this nations history. Oh, he hasn't failed at dividing this nation at every level from economic to racial and back around to political. As a matter of fact he is The Great Divider.
Why is This Stupid Show Still On the Air?
Submitted by gruyere cheese on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 8:45am.
These airheads "get paid" to sit around, drink coffee, read the latest newspapers headlines, elevate Obama to a God like status and, oh yes, criticize Tea Partiers and Conservatives. This is insane!!
"Evidence? We don't need no
Submitted by Cowboy on Thu, 01/13/2011 - 2:21pm.
"Evidence?
We don't need no stinking evidence!"