MSNBC Bemoans 'Lack of Civility' in GOP Concession Speeches, Doesn't Specifically Mention Dems
MSNBC's "Jansing & Co." ran the headline "Sore Losers?" during the 11 a.m. EDT hour, featuring concession speeches of three GOP candidates in the election. The anchor, Chris Jansing, asked "Where's the civility?" but made no specific mention of Democrat "sore losers."
"Whatever happened to the gracious concession speech, and whatever happened to that phone call to your opponent?" Jansing complained. "Is civility dead?"
In its lambasting of Republicans, perhaps MSNBC forgot about Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, who arrogantly ripped Republicans for dirty tactics and proclaimed the Boston Herald "irrelevant" – after his victory. Or maybe they overlooked President Obama as he recently labeled conservatives and Republicans "the enemy" on Hispanic radio.
"This is not just the Republicans in the clips that you just showed, but it's Democrats as well, including President Obama himself, who have shown a lack of civility at times in the debate," retorted GOP strategist Alex Conant.
The network featured clips of the following GOP candidates: New York gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino brandishing a baseball bat at his concession speech, Delaware Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell asking her opponent to watch one of her commercials, and California Senate candidate Carly Fiorina refusing to concede the election even though network news had called it.
Christine O'Donnell revealed to the audience that she told her opponent to watch one of her campaign commercials "so that he can see what's going on in Delaware the way I have."
The network's headline for Paladino's stunt was "Sore Losers? Paladino Wields Bat In Concession Speech." For O'Donnell's plea with her opponent, it was "Sore Losers? O'Donnell Lectures Winner About Responsibilities." And for Fiorina, it was "Sore Losers? Fiorina Claimed 'Dead Heat Tie' Despite Calls She Lost."
"I think the returns were still coming in," argued Conant concerning Fiorina's initial refusal to concede.
A transcript of the segment, which aired on November 4 at 11:42 a.m. EDT, is as follows:
CHRIS JANSING, MSNBC anchor: And speaking of the midterms, we've been asking this question. Whatever happened to the gracious concession speech, and whatever happened to that phone call to your opponent? After a bitter and divisive campaign season, some candidates really don't sound like they were taking the high road after losing Tuesday night.
(Video Clip)
(Headline: "Sore Losers? Paladino Wields Bat In Concession Speech)
CARL PALADINO: I have a message for Andrew Cuomo. (...) As our next governor, you can grab this handle and bring the people with you to Albany. Or you can leave it untouched, and run the risk of having it wielded against you. Because make no mistake, you have not heard the last of Carl Paladino.
(Headline: "Sore Losers? O'Donnell Lectures Winner About Responsibilities")
CHRISTINE O'DONNELL: We have won. The Delaware political system will never be the same. (...) I just got off the phone with my opponent. (...) I asked him to watch that 30 minute commercial that we did, so that he can see what's going on in Delaware the way I have.
(Headline: "Sore Losers? Fiorina Blasts Decision to Call CA Senate Race")
CARLY FIORINA: We are in a dead heat tie.
(Headline: "Sore Losers? Fiorina Claimed 'Dead Heat Tie' Despite Calls She Lost")
FIORINA: But all those people who've already declared this race, maybe that was probably not a smart thing to do.
(End Video Clip)
(...)
JANSING: Is it just me, or... I don't know, just pick up the phone, call your opponent, congratulate them, say they ran a nice campaign, and move on.
JEFF JOHNSON: BET News correspondent: But we've started to see such a lack of civility in the campaigns, that is difficult when the results come in, for then you just take three steps back and now be civil.
JANSING: But they've been doing it throughout history, there have been tough campaigns throughout history, haven't there?
ALEX CONANT, GOP Strategist: Yeah, absolutely. But let's remember that part of the reason that Washington, D.C. isn't very civil is because there are big disagreements, Republicans have big disagreements with the Democrats, and I'm sure vice-versa –
JANSING: Does that stop you from congratulating the person?
SHUSHANNAH WALSHE, The Daily Beast: It shouldn't stop civility, it shouldn't stop – and those three clips that you showed, I mean it seemed like they weren't even understanding that they lost, that they were still going to be part of the debate. You lost, you are not going to be part of the debate. You can call and say "Hey this is my advice," but it's – I mean, you're not part of the conversation.
JOHNSON: The rhetoric that we've seen in Washington, D.C. has not been friendly at all, it's been beyond argumentative, it's been beyond heated. And I don't know if we've ever been in a time across the board where, whether it's on this network or other networks where people are mean-spirited in the things that they're saying about those on the other side of the aisle, not just competitive.
JANSING: I mean, in that clip Carly Fiorina was refusing to concede to Barbara Boxer, even though the networks had called the race.
CONANT: Well I think the returns were still coming in. But let's remember, it was President Obama during the election who referred to the Republicans and conservatives as "the enemy" when he was on Hispanic radio. I mean this is not just the Republicans in the clips that you just showed, but it's Democrats as well, including President Obama himself, who have shown a lack of civility at times in the debate.
JANSING: You know what's interesting, before you guys came in, I had a newly-elected Congressman in who's a Tea Party candidate who's from Staten Island. And, you know, he said he believes he can go and work with the Democrats and he in fact does not believe that President – the number one thing should be to get rid of President Obama. He said that's not why people sent us to Washington, and I said "Well you come back a couple of months after going to Washington and tell me if you think that you can work with the Democrats now, or if you can even work with the members of your own party. Is civility dead?
CONANT: I sure hope it's not dead. I think that there are big disagreements, but we can do it in a respectful way. You know, in fact the guy I work for, Tim Pawlenty, he's the Govnernor of Minnesota, you know he –
JANSING: We've heard of him.
CONANT: Exactly, and he – hopefully you'll hear more about him. But he – he has succeeded in Minnesota in part, which is a very liberal state, in part by offering conservative ideas in a common-sense, responsible way, not just yelling at the other side. And he's succeeded in Minnesota, hopefully he'll succeed elsewhere.
JANSING: I hate to go ___, but are you really telling me Alex that Tim Pawlenty is not worried about Sarah Palin, that the Tim Pawlentys and the other people who are being mentioned for Republican presidential candidates are not worried about Sarah Palin, not trying to get her out of the race?
CONANT: I think that the media is – it says a lot that the media's already obcessed about 2012. We're still counting ballots on 2010 in Minnesota. I don't think that – I think it's –
JOHNSON: It's a very important question, and he's not going to answer the question.
WALSHE: We should have this conversation in a year.
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Uh, didn't O'Donnell include
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:09pm.
Uh, didn't O'Donnell include in her concession speech the words "we won?" Sure, she may have caught the attention of a dedicated base, but to continue on to say she's spoken with Coons about having him continue with her agenda...laughable. The voters have spoken, and have rejected O'Donnell's agenda.
So yeah, kinda...she's a sore loser. Palladino with the baseball bat? Eh, more like a crazy f***er.
By the way, any NYers on medicare vote for Palladino? Just curious.
She did, and if you take it
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:24pm.
She did, and if you take it out of context it doesn't make sense does it?
Then what is the proper
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:31pm.
Then what is the proper context?
Slight correction to your post, Dead One---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:28pm.
the voters in Delaware may have rejected both O'Donnell and her agenda, but even allowing for who they chose in her stead certainly did not set off any nationwide celebration of a Democratic beatdown of all comers.
Even Lib-Dims ain't that stupid.
On the other hand, though, the whining is of monumental proportions.
MD
How can Conservatives still
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:33pm.
How can Conservatives still be rejoicing this historic victory when they clearly fell short of their prediction? You control 1/3 of our government now. That's a losing minority.
The $$$ 1/3
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:41pm.
Oh yeah, Dead Kennedy (wish there could have been more sooner). Conservatives only control 1/3 of the government, but that 1/3 can virtually control 100% of the money!
Let's not forget the Supreme Court, either. Maybe even Lindsey Graham can find it in his little heart to oppose any future communist appointments since his cycle will come up soon.
So now it IS a right leaning
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:56pm.
So now it IS a right leaning court? Since when?
Dead Zippers LIES again.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 11/13/2010 - 3:49pm.
Supreme Court Leans Conservative - Washington PostNBers have been defending the
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Sat, 11/13/2010 - 5:44pm.
NBers have been defending the Court as a liberal leaning court.
Opps. You did it again
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 11/13/2010 - 6:05pm.
You confused me with the guy that cares
What time is it boys and girls? Time for a random tactic from the Troll Bible - Dead Zippers edition.
5.. Create imaginary crowds that side with you. Dead Zippers: And we're all laughing at you. ... We're all over it. Everyone but you ... Multiple people have called you out...
6. Create imaginary crowds that are siding against you. Dead Zippers: I've been taking on personal attacks for quite some time now...
Vet tactic #1: never defend
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Sun, 11/14/2010 - 11:28am.
Vet tactic #1: never defend an accusation, but make up new accusations 3 fold.
Vet tactic #2: Say the same thing enough times and people might start to believe you. In fact, say it enough times and you might believe it yourself.
You said Historic
Submitted by exLib on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:45pm.
Yes who could think of celebrating an HIstoric Victory? How stupid can we be.
Someone, Please, Tell the San Francisco giants they need to stop celebrating their WS Victory,
I am sure SOMEONE predicted a Sweep of the Rangers.
Man, you get an historic victory, can't admit you got trounced, and Sarah Palin and the Tea Party were a HUGE part of it and now the spin is, SP didn't sweep, GOP should have taken the Senate and 100 seats in the house because 1 or 2 people said it was possible?
Seriously Delusional.
Go back a year, or even less and most people were saying the Tea Party had ZERO influence, same with Sarah palin.
I am still waiting for Sarah Palin to "Fade Away" and I don't mean that in the mean, nasty way most left-wingers do, but in the way that since she came on the scene the left has been frothing at the mouth that her 15 minutes are up and that "Soon" Everyone will be sick or her and she won't have any influence.
So, for Sarah Palin and the Tea Party. The Progression:
- Tea Party astro turf, can't sustain "anger", flash in the pan, no influence. Racist, Fake.
- Sarah Palin, no brains, flash in the pan, no influence, will fade away soon.
- Tea Party, Ok, grass roots, but still no influence, no leader, in fighting, racist, will fade
- Sarah Palin, Ok, she can draw a crowd, but that's it, she'll be gone next month. Her "15 minutes" are up
- Tea Party and Sarah Palin, OK, they can influence an election, but only Primaries for Republicans, because they are all fringe nut jobs. Neither can win elections, to extreme, can't win on anger, will fade away.
- Uh Oh, they won elections, allot of them and helped give voters energy, that was sustained for well over a year. Now have major representation in House AND Senate.
How Can we Spin the Success?
Oh, they lost some elections, so really, they aren't that influential, because of course all the really big power brokers win ALL the elections they set out to win.
Geez.
No, I wasn't trounced. I
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:57pm.
No, I wasn't trounced. I wasn't on the ticket.
Dead One, thanks ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:45pm.
for using precisely the words sage individuals predicted a liberal would if the Republicans didn't send every single Dem home in a pine box:
"How can Conservatives still be rejoicing this historic victory when they clearly fell short of their prediction?"
Could you be more predictable?
Your favorite group of politicos got their collective asses kicked, but our side has a "losing" minority.
You funny guy.
If the word "pathetic" weren't so overused around here, it would fit nicely in place of "funny".
MD
You're very welcome. I hope
Submitted by Guttermouth's Return on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 6:03pm.
You're very welcome. I hope in confirming your predictions you will finally find happiness.
How can Conservatives still
Submitted by Newsbusterbrown on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:48pm.
How can Conservatives still be rejoicing this historic victory when they clearly fell short of their prediction?
1) What prediction are you talking about? The majority of pundits said the GOP would take the House, but not the Senate.
2) The GOP has stopped Obama dead in his tracks. That's something to be happy about.
“There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
I wonder how much air time
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 9:48pm.
Was devoted to telling lies and innuendo about O'Donnell by the national media? The RNC may never get another cent from me, after their perfectly disgraceful treatment of O'Donnell, Miller and others.
I am sure the likes of ADK thinks the lies and smears are justified,,,,, because she lost!
The network of Chris
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:10pm.
The network of Chris Matthews, Sgt. Schultz, and Bathtub Boy lectures about civility? No wonder no one watches them.
Are they serious?
Submitted by exLib on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:22pm.
Olberman, Shultz, Media Matters, DailyKos, Malloy, Rhodes, MoveON, all of these people/groups have belched out some of the most uncivil, nasty invective and they dare lecture conservatives on decorum?
What a joke.
No one was worried about civility during Bush's term, it's only a problem now.
Kettle is calling
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:26pm.
Did the bastion of stupidity EVEN mention the biggest POS speech EVER after winning by none other than Barney Fwank?
Anything anyone else did PALES in comparison to what this.................... did.
Civilty, would that be like the civility the five idiot clowns showed Tuesday night?
No fan of Palladino, O'Donnell was a mistake, what else you got?
I am a military veteran of 24 years service . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:32pm.
. . . and my President told an audience of Hispanic-Americans -- among whom are some of my friends and comrades in arms -- that I am 'their enemy" because I oppose his agenda.
Coming from a man who has been reluctant to even use the word "terrorist," that means a lot.
Thank you, Mr. President. Thanks for bringing Americans together.
And f*** you very much.
Galvanic---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:48pm.
Damn straight !!
MD
Passed
Submitted by jdlybrand on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 8:43pm.
I second that motion!
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
weird MSNBC
Submitted by dmaley1714 on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 5:43pm.
did not show Alan Grayson's disater of a speech that was truly bad, just 3 republicans.
At least Grayson conceeded
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 11:44pm.
My ex-critter didn't even bother....Ron Klein just left his party early. Which, actually, is kind of typical of him....seeing how he phoned in his Town Hall Meetings. I'm serious. He did phone-cons!
I think I'll drop him a little good-bye e-mail.
Like, "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out....or Nanny Pelosi, either".
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Hang on...
Submitted by Spud on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 6:36pm.
In its lambasting of Republicans, perhaps MSNBC forgot about Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, who arrogantly ripped Republicans for dirty tactics and proclaimed the Boston Herald "irrelevant" – after his victory.Um, well yeah...the subject of this segment was concession speeches not victory speeches. You're making a point that has nothing to do with the subject. If the subject had been civility in general, yeah the above incident is germane. Now, if you've got an example of an uncivil concession speech by a Democrat, then by all means post it and make your argument stronger. But don't post evidence that doesn't support the subject.
Spud---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 8:15pm.
Writers of articles generally write with a certain amount of literary license; unlike liberal politicos who take license with every breath.
Barney Frank is uncivil every time he opens his big mouth.
Evidence supports that.
MD
Cwassic Bawney
Submitted by jdlybrand on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 8:37pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZeqL0CUvjY
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Still Irrelevent
Submitted by Spud on Fri, 11/05/2010 - 3:09am.
You won't get an argument about me about BF. But that has nothing to do with the subject here. That's all I'm saying. If NewsBusters wants to blast Chris Jansing for only citing cases of "sore loser" GOP concession speeches, it seems to me that it's then obligated to point out what "sore loser" Dem concession speeches she ignored. I don't know if there were or weren't any. But if there weren't any, then the whole point of blasting her is rendered rather moot.
I would use the same argument against Media Matters if the situation was reversed. This isn't about ideology. It's about making an argument but not presenting any evidence that the argument is valid. Conant is right that there's a lack of civility on both sides but I don't think that's a point Jansing would disagree with. Of course we don't know since general uncivility on both sides, as opposed to uncivility in concession speeches, wasn't the subject here.
If sore loser concession speeches are the subject---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 11/05/2010 - 6:41am.
from one side, I don't see it as either a stretch, being unfair, disingenuous, or dishonest because the other side brings up a "sore winner" speech.
The absolute comedic farce served up by the very existence of a sore winner speech, especially coming from Barney Frank, is just too hysterically funny to overlook.
MD
The "Joke" is headed to India
Submitted by jkwtrading on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 7:15pm.
The "Joke" is headed to India tomorrow...
He is the butt of all jokes..
Lack of Civility
Submitted by libBuster on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 9:27pm.
So Jansing wasn't referring to Obama's "punish your enemies" remark when she referred to lack of civility. She wasn't referring to Obama's "back of the bus" remark?
I know many people here
Submitted by Chris Norman on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 9:55pm.
I know many people here respond to some of these posts regarding, say, Dylan Ratigan, by writing, "Dylan Who?". Sometimes the liberal media-ite in question is infamous enough that I know the comment is meant to be disingenuous. In this case I have to ask, sincerely, "Chris Jansing - who?". Has MSNBC sunk so low that they now give a crack at anchor jobs to anyone who happens to work in their building - including secretaries - just as long as they are liberal enough?
Here is the best hypocrisy
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Thu, 11/04/2010 - 10:43pm.
The loser is moaning that she hasn't heard any GOP losers congratulate the thieves that remain in Washington.
How many dims lost and offered congratulations?
Did we hear this biach congratulate the GOP? Oh I forgot she’s a dim so she thinks right and wrong is whatever she says it is.
What they still haven’t grasped is that this is just the beginning.
No one on MSNBC has the room
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 11/05/2010 - 8:15am.
No one on MSNBC has the room to be berating anyone else on "lack of civility."
Lack of Civility = We Lost
Submitted by libBuster on Fri, 11/05/2010 - 9:00am.
Civility is a Democratic code word for": "We just lost again".
Civility - a One-Way Street
Submitted by GloriaJH on Fri, 11/05/2010 - 12:53pm.
Civility?
Really?
Unbelievable! They print or say the ugliest things against republicans that I don't want my eyes to see or my ears to hear - and now they complain because they are in pain and no one feels sorry for them or wants to be nice?
It's time for the republicans/ conservatives to stop being so forgiving - because the Left misunderstands it as stupid and/or weak.
Civility -of late- has been a one-way street - and the Left thinks they are the only ones deserving of it.