Spat! Scarborough Can't Halt Hurricane Vanden Heuvel
We won't try to weave too much political-cultural significance into the spat that erupted on Morning Joe today. Just sit back and enjoy the spectacle as Joe Scarborough struggled to get in a word edgewise with Katrina vanden Heuvel of The Nation.
Scarborough was seeking to cite statistics showing that by a ratio of about 40:20, more Americans identify as conservatives than as liberals. That, he argued, makes it hard for Dems like Obama to govern from the left, and suggests that lefties like vanden Heuvel should cut the prez some slack.
Somehow, a certain Frank Sinatra song comes to mind. Or not. View video here.
Watch and chuckle as Joe literally throws up his hands in frustration. Things started to head downhill after vanden Heuvel argued that if Dems escape Election Day in better shape than expected, Pres. Obama would owe it to his base of African-Americans, Latinos, single-women, young people and working people, and that he should "dance with them that brung you." That down-home talk doesn't seem to fit in the mouth of someone with Katrina's patrician air. But we digress . . .
JOE SCARBOROUGH: It is so much easier to run as a conservative Republican for president. And if you look back, conservative candidates win. Moderate Republican candidates don't win. But if you're a Democrat, you've got to run as a moderate, because the numbers don't add up. Poll after poll after poll shows we're a center-right nation.
KATRINA VANDEN HEUVEL: I disagree.
SCARBOROUGH: Poll after poll shows --
HEUVEL: Let me finish, because--
SCARBOROUGH: No, let me finish --
HEUVEL: Here's the deal --
SCARBOROUGH: No, no, no, no, no. No, I am not going to let you finish. I --
HEUVEL: Here's the deal --
SCARBOROUGH: I have got to give you facts and then you can respond to facts.
HEUVEL: Here's the facts.
SCARBOROUGH: No!
HEUVEL: Here's the facts.
SCARBOROUGH: Listen to numbers. Just stop.
HEUVEL: The polls show --
SCARBOROUGH: Just stop and listen to facts --
HEUVEL: The polls show --
SCARBOROUGH: [in resignation] All right.
HEUVEL: The polls show that if you poll people today --
SCARBOROUGH: [giving up] Go ahead, Katrina.
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Mark, video's not coming up....
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 9:35am.
I still want to know...has anyone ever seen VandenHeuvel and Christiane Amanpour in the same room together???
video working now
Submitted by Mark Finkelstein on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 9:40am.
Thanks for bringing to my attention, MB!
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Thanks, Mark! Watching's
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:05am.
Thanks, Mark! Watching's more entertaining than reading.
I would love to know what came at the end of that, where Katrina insists ....if you poll people today, the polls show....
and mika???
Submitted by charlietexas on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 9:51am.
and mika just sits there like a puppet........we know she alive cus her head rattles when it goes back anf forth. joe is a girly man.............mommy
Like I've written before, Mika B. is the show's . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:11am.
. . . human emoticon.
She's got perhaps a dozen exaggerated expressions and sounds to display emotions like
- jubilation
- adoration (for liberals only)
- disgust
- frustration
- disagreement
- anticipation
- indignation
- empathy
- mild anger
- self-righteousness
- surprise
- curiosity
- concentration
- resignation
I laughed so hard the first time I read that, Galv.
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 11:27am.
And it's even better now that you've expanded upon the basic concept. It would be hilarious to have actual Mika-faced emoticons on here once all of the upgrades are done.
Can you imagine it? I'm placing a Mika "adoration" face here for your brilliance with the concept of the human emoticon (hey, I stayed at Holiday Inn Express last night and am doing liberal).
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Perfect Galvanic
Submitted by The_Pumpcrop on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:53pm.
She's the show's Mime, to demonstrate to the Shmoe zombies how they are suppose to react to balloon-head's fake rants. But at least they calmed her down from all the moaning and constant sound punctuations when others speak.
Geez, why doesn't Schmoe just show up in his pajamas?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 9:53am.
What a slob.
I've been wondering the same
Submitted by inquiringmind on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:07am.
I've been wondering the same thing. I guess if you have a show named after you, you can dress as you please.
Comon Joe, show some stones and shut Katrina up when she refuses to listen to facts. At least Mclaughlin would say,"WRONG"! And then just move on.
Listening is a skill
Submitted by KC Mulville on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:22am.
She interrupted him, and refused to stop interrupting. I have no doubt that after she began speaking, she regarded Scarborough's responses as interrupting her -- and she considered that rude of Joe.
KC
Submitted by okiehawk44 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:20pm.
Joe "thinks" he's a member of the elite class in America but she "knows" she is.
Left-Wing hatred on display
Submitted by Guapo Diablo on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:31am.
This woman has been fueled by hatred, contempt and disdain for anyone to the right of Stalin her entire adult life. Major buzz-kill.
And Thanks Katrina
Submitted by Caringwhiteguy on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:36am.
Scarborough - "and thanks Katrina for inviting me to your cocktail party this coming Saturday. I feel so enlightened among your friends. It's so much more stimulating than Pensacola".
Gawd, forget her pablum comments, why so haggard looking?
Submitted by merly1 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:50am.
Geeez, she looks like she just woke up from an all-nighter in Vegas with the Hangover crew.......What's her story?
Haggard Look
Submitted by HoosierEm on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 10:53am.
The haggard look is a look I've noticed on the far left liberal loons (including Obama) in the last few weeks when it's become apparent to them their stupid ideology is not what this country wants or needs.
LOL
Submitted by StarAZ on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 3:32pm.
Her hair was mussy. As for Joe, that's the Russian sweatsuit look--very big in H'wood--commando under.TMI? Sorry.
Teaching pigs to whistle
Submitted by mesowarp on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 11:06am.
An old saying goes "Never try to teach a pig to whistle, you'll only frustrate yourself and irritate the pig." Why argue with people who live in an alternate reality? If progressives insist on conducting the orchestra on the Titanic, let them. I wonder what her argument will be after the Nov tsunami?
Hey Joe, reach down and see
Submitted by WarEagle66 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 11:08am.
Hey Joe, reach down and see if you have a pair. It's YOUR show you big baby.
Katrina is nothing more than another spoiled rich kid liberal.
And Joe let her walk all over her.....
vanden heuvel...
Submitted by ds7 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 11:23am.
is a naked communist. the worst of the worst. anti-american to her core...
nothing can get me to change a channel faster...not bill clinton, not mrs. bill clinton and not even obama.
A broken clock.........
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 11:37am.
For all of Joe's bluster, HE ACTUALLY WAS RIGHT HERE, but he was just stating known facts.
I saw this early this morning and it speaks volumes of her belief that what she says is gospel DESPITE the facts.
IF Conservatives/Republicans, Tea partiers and the left handed don't win every race you will hear the NO shampoo, NO soap crowd like her spewing the "this was no wave, merely a little breaking of wind".....
"Just because a few seats changed hands doesn't mean that Obama isn't still the greatest"......
Wow, Joe-Blow. Not much of a
Submitted by ML Stovall on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:07pm.
Wow, Joe-Blow. Not much of a RINO fight you put up there. Serves you right. Wuss.
is the vote in on Scarborough?
Submitted by johninlongmont on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:25pm.
theoretically, he should be the only Conservative on PMSNBC...but my impression is he has gone rhino...that may not be correct, but if it's not, how is he allowed to stay on PMSNBC, and why aren't Conservatives hi-liting what he says on a daily basis?
Scarborough has a taste for green grass
Submitted by JakeMo on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 12:35pm.
Scarborough is on whichever side of the fence he sees the green grass.
Apparently he smells some green grass on the other side of Nov. 2nd and he's scurrying back over the fence.
Because the narrative which
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 5:40pm.
Because the narrative which NB and other right-leaning websites wish to advance is that [the admittedly leftish] MSNBC countenances NO conservative input whatsoever. Accordingly, facts which tend to contradict that narrative--such as much of the commentary by Scarborough and Pat Buchanan (employees of the network)--are ignored.
Jer
I'll give you Buchanan, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 2:41am.
but this Joe Scarborough blindness of yours demonstrates that you are evidently bleeding out from the thousand little slices taken out of your posterior every day here at NBs, and as a result, can no longer see or hear.
Good thing you have a braille keyboard.
MD
Question, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 2:49am.
Do you think NB has any obligation to note, along with its criticisms of Scarborough, his frequent hammering of Democrats and the administration?
Jer
About the same obligation, Jer, as---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 10/29/2010 - 3:12am.
the MSM has to not kiss Obamas ass.
MD
Scarborough & Crist
Submitted by okiehawk44 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:37pm.
Joe and Charlie have more than Florida roots in common.
Both Joe & Charlie would give his/her left *** to be accepted by radical leftist Democrats in NYC and DC or as Sally Field infamously said upon receiving an Oscar "You love me you really love me."
ATTN Joe & Charlie: Sucking up to the left didn't do John McCain any good with these communists and it won't do you any good either. Of sure maybe they'll eat you last but eat you they will.
Leftist idiots like Vanden Heuval
Submitted by Phryj1 on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 1:47pm.
have themselves convinced that their radical far-left views are shared with the majority of Americans. One of the things they do to convince themselves is rely on skewed polling techniques to make it appear as though most Americans agree with them, when the truth is, the vast majority of Americans are conservative. I would go so far as to say there are many people who self identify as liberal, etc. who actually have conservative views and don't even realize it.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
The best part of "Moaning Joe"...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 2:00pm.
...is the end where they are all standing around waiting for the short bus to pick them up from the studio...
Serves you Right
Submitted by TCinAZ on Thu, 10/28/2010 - 3:06pm.
Serves you Right, ScarBurro!
We need More RINOS..Hope you're Proud of yourself Sarah.. but Now, even your practically Begging a Guilt-Riddled Whackjob like Kasper vanden Heuvel for a point of Order, gets you Nowhere on your own Show! That was Beautiful! Lol!