Would Pro-Life Republicans Revolt Over Ridge?

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If there's one person in the NBC news stable who combines solid analytical skills with a commitment to fairness, it could be political director Chuck Todd.  Evidence thereof comes from no less a certified conservative source than Tom DeLay. Appearing on this evening's Hardball just after Todd had offered his breakdown of the electoral map, DeLay allowed that he "can't dispute" any of Todd's analysis, prompting Chris Matthews to exclaim "that's a development for us here: objective truth for you!"

So what was that Todd analysis that DeLay didn't dispute?  There was much to it, but for present purposes let's focus on this: Todd can't see how Obama wins without Pennsylvania, and that having former governor Tom Ridge on the McCain ticket would help deliver the Keystone State.  The catch is that Ridge is pro-choice, which in turn poses the question of whether pro-life Republicans would revolt if McCain chose him for the veep slot.

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You'll find the transcript below. I'd be particularly interested in getting the take of pro-life readers.  I offer my own two cents at the foot.

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CHUCK TODD: I tell you, I think [McCain] wishes he could think about Tom Ridge. I think the fact that Ridge is pro-choice has to throw him off a little bit.  I tell ya: if you took Pennsylvania off the map for Obama, and you put it in the McCain column,  I challenge you to get to 270 for Obama—it's tough.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Ridge is very popular in Pennsylvania.  I think he would deliver Pennsylvania for him, it would be very close. But then he may even help in Ohio and he may help in Michigan, but I don't know if that's worth taking on the Christian right on the abortion issue.

TODD: They would all sit there and say to McCain "see, we told you so.  We told you McCain didn't care about our issues.  He didn't care so much he picked a pro-choice running mate."   It makes it tough.

MATTHEWS: And I'm not sure Cheney would endorse him at that point. I think it would get really tough, anyway, I think Cheney doesn't like Tom Ridge too much.

TODD: Well, I don't know.

. . .

TOM DELAY: What's interesting, I can't dispute anything that you've shown here.

MATTHEWS: That's a development for us: objective truth here for ya!

So, would pro-life Republicans revolt—or sit still—for a Ridge VP nomination if convinced he would make the difference between winning and losing?

My two cents: My guess is that while pro-life Republicans wouldn't be happy, they wouldn't stage an all-out revolt.  Ridge—Vietnam veteran and former Homeland Security director—has a traditional vibe.  I imagine he would commit to nominating, should the situation ever arise, strict constructionist Supreme Court justices in the Alito/Roberts mold.  Ridge might be pro-choice, but Christie Todd Whitman he's not.

Note: For the record, McCain has discounted the likelihood he'd pick Ridge, in light of the latter's pro-choice views.  I noted this exchange between McCain and Matthews back in April here:

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Would you put a person on the ticket with you like the former governor of this state, who is very popular, Tom Ridge, even though he may disagree -- even though he may disagree with you on the issue of Roe v. Wade and abortion rights? Would you put somebody on the ticket like that, on that one issue would it stop him?

JOHN MCCAIN: I don't know if it would stop him but it would be difficult.

MATTHEWS: Why is there that one litmus test that's an issue?

MCCAIN: I'm not saying that would be necessarily but I am saying that it's basically the respect and cherishing of the right of the unborn is one of the fundamental principles of my party. And it's a -- a deeply held, deeply held belief of mine.

—Mark Finkelstein is a NewsBusters contributing editor and host of Right Angle. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net.


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What about Santorum

Christian conservatives, who are a big chunk of the pro-life movement, will have to hold their noses to vote for McCain as it is.  A pro-choice VP candidate will diminish what little enthusiasm they have.  I think it's an iffy move.

What about Rick Santorum?  He's a pro-life Pennsylvanian.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

Hey now nk! If he picked

Hey now nk!

If he picked Santorum...I would hold my nose and vote for him..especially if McCain promised to only serve one term to-boot. 

I can't believe I said that...but Santorum would do the trick for me....

We couldn't be that lucky...but he needs that state!

You've got me somewhat excited...gosh I wished that would happen. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Santorum would lock PA

Santorum would lock PA up.............for Obama.

"Burn that mother down." -- Jimmy Ellis

Rick Santorum? Its not

Rick Santorum? Its not very often that I do a spit-take. But hearing the name Rick Santorum for VP did the trick.

He only lost his re-election bid by about 18%. I understand it was the biggest landslide defeat for an incumbent US Senator in 26 years.

Well Cb..it's nor like you

Well Cb..it's not like you and Biffy are anywhere near conservatives...now are you?

Talk amongst yourselves...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Not true. I have

Not true. I have conservatives living not more than 200 meters away from me. But they are good neighbors. And they're not afraid of the stigma. I'll admit, it makes me uncomfortable when they hold hands in public. But that's something I can't do anything about.

200 meters? you must live in the country

which European one?

In the End, God will Speak   

All kidding aside, I'd give

All kidding aside, I'd give the max (2g's or whatever it is) to a
McCain/Tricky Rick ticket. The thinking: the more they showed Rick the
better for Obama.

"Burn that mother down." -- Jimmy Ellis

Biffy, if you happen to work for a small business employer...

...you'd better hope Barry-O loses.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

You would have said the

You would have said the same about Bubba, had my best years with
him. I pay 10x more for inflation than I got in Bush tax cuts. And the
inflation is because of the tax cuts, he just prints up cash to pay
Halliburton and friends.

 

"Burn that mother down." -- Jimmy Ellis

Biffy, wait until Obama raises your employer's taxes.

Then you won't have to worry too much about anything, other than finding a job.

Tax cuts cause inflation? LOL-that is a good one!

Go ahead, vote for Obummer. When gas hits $8.00/gal and inflation then reaches double digits, please pop a post in here and let us know how things are going for you. :-)

You will, won't you?

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Although I am pro life

I can't handle Ridge on a whole host of other reasons.

Does Conservative ring a bell?

 

Delsa... ...Bingo! "Amer

Delsa...

...Bingo!

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

  I don't think the V.P.

  I don't think the V.P. has much power over anything.  If McCain wants to take Ridge's advice on policy he can do so no matter where Ridge is employed.

Pro-life VP

The only question is who decides on the nominees for the Supreme Court. VPs may have input, but the president decides that, so the VP is irrelevant to that.

And let's be clear. You have to make a distinction between being pro-life (which is a moral position) and being an originalist (which is a judicial philosophy). 

Let me give you an example. When it comes to abortion, being an originalist (I argue) forces you to oppose Roe v. Wade, because that decision was based on nothing concrete or implied within the constitution. However, when it comes to capital punishment, it's a whole different dynamic. In that case, I believe, being pro-life demands that you oppose the death penalty -- but an originalist is forced by the theory to confirm the constitutionality of the death penalty. I may wish it wasn't, but the death penalty is clearly in there. So an originalist judicial philosophy isn't the same thing as being pro-life ... in fact, with the death penalty, it opposes it.

However, I believe that when it comes to the Supreme Court, the only legitimate judicial philosophy is originalism. That's the only approach that protects a fair fight. And as important as abortion is to me as a moral issue, I don't want the Supreme Court to "steal" the verdict for me. Roe v. Wade, and all the subsequent "substantive due process" decisions, are all illegitimate thefts of political power. I don't want to "win" that way. I want to win that fight, but I want the fight to be fair and honest. Sure, after we win the fair fight in the Court, we'll have to go out and win in the hearts and minds of the people, through every state legislature. It'll be tough, but at least it'll be honest.

What matters is whether Ridge believes in originalism. McCain says he does, and I'll take him at his word. If Ridge believes it, he's fine with me. Otherwise, no.

BT

What do you think about Santorum?

I do not think Rick would take it but I like him.

Delsa... He was one of my

Delsa...

He was one of my favorite die-hard conservative Senators in congress...I miss him greatly...boy he made some excellent floor speeches, brought tears to my eyes at times....he spoke volumes for me.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

MATTHEWS: Why is there that

MATTHEWS: Why is there that one litmus test that's an issue?

What a blithering idiot.  Sadly, there's most notably not a litmus testwith Repulicans on this issue, but with Democrats it's "The Sacrament."

If Ridge isn't pro-life, that is problematic, and I'm glad McCain says as much.  But no matter, somebody would have to verify, but my guess is he's no "let-the-abortus-die-on-the-table" Obama, either.  So, no Barack, my wife and I won't be revolting, nor staying home.

Yuppers

Completely agree with your assessment, Mark.

That's how I was wrapping my head around it while reading the transcript from Matthew's show.

Appease the left-leaning righties and just-can't-vote-for-Obama lefties with Ridge's pro-choice view, strict constitutionalist judges the aces-in-the-hole for righties.

Ridge'd be okay as VP as far as I'm concerned.  Don't have any issues with the man. McCain on the other hand?

I wish I could pull the lever for Mike Huckabee.

If McCain Wants to Lose...

Pick Ridge. He'll keep Religious Conservatives home in droves. How about picking Huckabee to shore up Missouri and Virginia and turnout all those Religious Conservatives that  McCain has ticked off in Ohio. Oh wait, not hat would displease the Club for Growth and you can't tick them off. They're the conservatives that matter. /sarcasm off 

If he picked Ridge he isn't

If he picked Ridge he isn't just toast....he's burnt toast.

Ridge is pro-abortion...oops, I mean pro-choice.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT - I can barley stomach voting for McCain as it is

If he puts any pro-choice candidate in there it would be enough to put me over the edge. The only reason I'm voting for him is because I don't want Obama's Judges that we will be stuck with for our life time. If McCain picks a pro-choice VP, I think that indicates that he'd do the same with a judicial pick.

It would be the last straw for me.

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

bt & Dee, the only way I would even consider voting for McLame..

...would be of he picked Fred as his VP and promised to resign one minute after taking the Oath of Office.

No joke, as I really do not believe his SCOTUS choices will be even remotely conservative. This man has been regularly stabbing conservatives in the back for the last eight years. What is more, he appears to delight in it. Why would he change once elected POTUS? 

And what of his Cap-n-Trade BS? Is it any better than Barry-O's?

Seriously, McCain's weak-t*t "campaign" to date is nearly as bad as Wilkie's was against FDR. Perhaps worse, even.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Howdy RD/... I'm too

Howdy RD/...

I'm too tired after today to repeat myself...you and Dee both have seen me post about the same sentiments as you have RD...SC judges getting through would be a miracle even if he did pick real conservatives, his capn'trade I have posted about relentlessly, along with many other things over the years when it comes to the RINO, and flip-flopper, because he is.......I trust him like my shadow on a cloudy day.

There is one thing though RD...he won't play footsie with the enemy....at least I don't think so....I'm not talking about the enemy within when it comes to the media and the other side of the asile, we all know how much he loves them.

The only other possibilty is if we did retake congress in the House, come close in the Senate ...if we had some smart people running that just use gas/oil prices plus drilling ect and illegal immigration, speaking English First here and making it law...both have polls nationwide of close to or at 80%...we couldn't be lucky enough to have men and women that smart on our side of the aisle running in this upcoming election now could we RD?

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

bt...did you listen to any

bt...did you listen to any of Rush today? He went on about how this should be a big year for Republicans. Things have gone in the toilet with the Democrats in charge.

If only they would stop telling themselves they're going to lose, and take advantage of it!

Dick Morris said McCain is making a huge mistake by letting Obama get away with saying he passed a law to reform welfare in Illinois, which he didn't.

But Republicans, from McCain down, are so terrified that a Democrat will cry,   and then they'll get blamed for being the bully, that they just cower. If they do, they deserve to lose.

I am really terrified about what this country would look like 4 years from now with Obama in the White House and a Democrat congress, but I don't know what we can do. We are not the ones running. And if they won't fight, no one can do it for them!


Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

Hey Howdy mb... I only

Hey Howdy mb...

I only caught a little of Rush today early on...the part I did catch was him calling Obama Your Lordship which I posted somewhere else tonight...

 I plan on replaying his show in the morning if all goes right that is...

I heard some of Laura Ingraham (sp) too this morning driving...they both are carrying the water for McCain as much as they can stomach...(don't care what they say they are to an extent) but heck mb...I am at a loss too...this has been the most pathetic thing I have ever seen for our side of the aisle in a long time for a campaign on our side or the aisle...Bob Dole was and is a hero to me compared to McCain and team...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

bt, after McCain's whining about GITMO...

...which was twelve miles beyond pathetic, I am not altogether sure of his dedication to fighting the GWOT, either. I am sorry, but I just do not trust McCain.

Nine years ago? Perhaps, but not now. Too many betrayals on MCain's part..

I voted for a RINO in '04. I will not vote for one in '08.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Oh yeah...Gitmo,

Oh yeah...Gitmo, waterboarding on and on, he went against everything Bush wanted in certain Bills and added some major head-aches...heck he is meeting with La Raza again....Please RD...don't get me started, I have had a really bad day...and posted all of this stuff you and I are both mentioning in the past...in anger and not angry before...(I forgot to add his love for Global Warming too, let alone non-drilling until he flipped on that) 

I am trying to calm down before I go to bed....not get angry...snicker, snicker...

Then I heard somewhere yesterday he is going to distance himself even more from President Bush...I know how you and some feel with the President, but it angers me when it comes to McCain of all people.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

RD - I'd still rather take my chances with McCain's picks

over Obama's. McCain probably wouldn't even get to pick because the older liberals would refuse to retire. If Obama gets in, I think he'll be in for 8 years and get at least two picks.

Has there ever been a case in history where the incumbent President was challenged in the primary? Could it ever happen?

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Dee, McCain probably won't even get to pick...

...because Obama is going to win this thing in a near landslide.

Welcome to the age of the dumbMasses.

Has there ever been a case in history where the incumbent President was challenged in the primary? Could it ever happen?

Not sure, but I don't think so. I suppose that it could happen, though.

Obama will be the next POTUS, but I am guessing (hoping) only a one-termer. The dem moderate congressmen elected last mid-term might actually be an impediment to Barack Ocommie's schemes.

Not sure about the gutless repubs, however, as they appear to have lost their nads completely.

We survived Jihad Jimmy for a term, and we can probably survive Obama. Should Barry-O somehow win a second term, then we are forked.

Literally and figuratively.  :-O

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

There have been several cases...

  Off the top of my head, I believe that Teddy Roosevelt attempted a third term because he was pissed off with how Taft was running things.  Teddy ended up losing the primary then created a 3rd party which split the vote in the General Election and gave the White House to Woodrow Wilson.

  The next example I can think of was Ted Kennedy's attempt to get Jimmy Carter ousted in the 1980 election.  I can't remember if he ran in the General election, but he tried to take the Dem nomination away. 

  I'm sure that it's happened a few more times, probably during times of social unrest.   

Hi Dee... I'm in and out

Hi Dee...

I'm in and out here this evening...getting ready to close things up here...been gone all day and just trying to catch up before I leave...

I know...I can't believe I said I would hold my nose if he picked somebody like Santorum...but I ALSO KNOW IT WON'T HAPPEN...oh well...one thing about it we will know soon enough...time goes by so fast....

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

I'm off to bed myself.

Catch you next time

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

choice?

I call it pro-death. Just my 2 cents, bt

easygoer... I totally

easygoer...

I totally agree!

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

http://rasmussenrepo... "T

http://rasmussenrepo...

"The state’s last Republican governor, Tom Ridge, doesn’t help his
party’s standard-bearer much either. Thirty-one percent (31%) are more
likely to vote for McCain with Ridge on the ticket, but 30% are less
likely. The response from unaffiliated voters is similarly divided."

As for me? It's Sarah Palin all the way.

http://palinforvp.bl...

Free has me sold on Sarah Palin - I think she'd be great also

because she's a woman. I think McCain should pick someone young and some type of minority if possible.

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Dee, what makes you think McCain

would appoint (or try to) conservative judges?  He had the chance but put together the Gang of 14.  Do you really think he would battle a demonrat senate to push through a conservative judge? 

Remember, at heart, McPain is a democrat.

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

Jeff - him putting the gang of 14 together is what got Roberts

and Alito through. I think that was a good thing. He stopped the filibusters.

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

This isn't about who his VP

This isn't about who his VP is.. This is about his chance to pick 2 or 3 more conservative judges. Thats the main reason everyone Republican or conservative should get out and vote and raise money for McCain. He can set the courts straight for a century with these choices.

 

 

"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks
and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and
wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for
our attackers"

The SCOTUS is NOT the final say in this country.

We are.

And I'll believe McCain will pick "conservative" justices when I see it. Trouble is, we will never get the chance, as he will lose to Obama in November.

And badly, at that.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Does it really matter...

who Mac picks for VP? Really, are any of the Christian pro-life Republicans gonna vote for the Obamanator cause of Mac's VP pick.

I say pick someone that will deliver the most swing states. In the end it's about beating BHO, everything else takes a backseat.

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

 I wonder why Matthews has

 I wonder why Matthews has any concern who the Republicans choose for VP? All he'll ever do is rip them on his sorry assed, nobody watches, show. He ought to concern himself with who the atheist left picks for VP, that has a more negative impact on our country, then Ridge would. Look, we have McCain as representing the GOP, do you honestly think whoever he picks for VP will have any effect? Hell, pick Ed Kennedy for all I care, we'll still get a Conservative in the office in 2012.

And to whoever wrote that the Bush tax cuts hurt him, is not paying taxes on whatever it is he's smoking. Small business or not, you're propaganda won't go over well in this forum.

I do have to agree with the

I do have to agree with the author that Chuck Todd is pretty fair. Because I do admit that MSNBC is totally in the tank for Obama. But Chuck Todd is one of the few you can watch on that network and not be able to immediately guess that they are totally in the tank for Obama.

I still say he needs to be the one to eventually be the new moderator on Meet The Press.

McCain's VP

My feelings about McCain won't change no matter who he picks for veep.

If I wanted a pro-abort, I'd vote for a Democrat

McCain would have to be McInsane to pick a pro-choicer as a veep.  He's having enough trouble as it is with social conservatives, especially evangelicals, and picking someone who isn't pro-life is handing the keys of the White House to the Obamessiah.  I wouldn't stay home or revolt, but I know many other social cons would.

It would also trouble me greatly that the GOP would be willing to flake on its pro-life plank while the Party of Death won't compromise in the least on its pro-abortion plank.  Like hell Obama is going to choose a pro-life veep; somebody needs to take an equally definitive stance on life on the national level.

If John McCain chooses a

If John McCain chooses a pro abort as running mate he is finished. Large numbers of pro life voters will stay at home. Southern states expected to vote GOP will fall with the huge African American vote for Obama and the huge conservative abstension rate. If John McCain wishes to commit political suicide he will pick a pro abort running mate.
It is time for McCain to take off the gloves. The McCain campaign has failed to hammer Obama on his welfare ad. He should be hammered on his Taxation policy-doubling the Capital Gains Tax. His outrageous spending plans and their implications for taxpayers would provide fertile territory for ads. Obama is an extreme leftist feigning a move towards the centre. He is getting away with it. It is infuriating to watch the response. The McCain campaign must sharpen up its act immediately or Obama will win the election by default.  The McCain campaign must exhibit greater dynamism

Obama just makes policy on the back of an envelope. He is all things to all men and women. He is getting away with it. Tax and Spend Obama/U Turn  a day Obama will  soon  have established an unassailable lead. 

Obama is the high priest of Liberalism. He is no centrist.