How deep into the Dem mindset is Joe Klein? The Time columnist can't figure out why Hillary Clinton drives Republicans round the bend. Klein candidly admitted so today, chatting with Brian Williams on MSNBC.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: On the Republican side, does John McCain blunt back the attack, the insurgents on the right?JOE KLEIN: I think to a certain extent he will. He'll have a lot more -- you know Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee would give him a great assist. Because the Republicans are completely berserk for reasons that kind of escape me about Hillary Clinton. She's not a wild lefty, she's a fairly moderate person. But she's the enemy, and if she materializes on the Democratic side, you're going to have a united and fierce Republican party.
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That Klein believes Hillary Clinton is "fairly moderate" -- she who wanted to nationalize health care before nationalized health care was cool, she of the historical disdain for the military, she of the "it takes a [big government] village" mentality -- goes a long way in explaining why Republican aversion to Clinton escapes him.
But surely our readers can further elucidate Joe as to just what it is about Hillary that drives Republicans wild.
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you could certainly trust
February 12, 2008 - 15:31 ET by TruthMongeryou could certainly trust your news from this highly informed and intuitive individual
Moderate?
February 12, 2008 - 15:34 ET by Army BratIf you approve of communism and socialism she appears quite moderate.
Happy Trails...
how communist
February 12, 2008 - 15:55 ET by TruthMongerhow communist would someone have to be for hillary to appear conservative? wow
...for hillary to appear conservative?
February 12, 2008 - 16:05 ET by vrwc13Stalin?
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"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people" -HRC
yes - or a rino like McCain
February 12, 2008 - 16:09 ET by TruthMongeryes - or a rino like McCain
Good point TM. If one can
February 12, 2008 - 16:27 ET by vrwc13Good point TM. If one can call MCain a conservative, then Hillary could by comparison be "fairly moderate".
Is this kind of like grading on a curve?
But wouldn't this make "real" conservatives fall off the chart?
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"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people" -HRC
if so it's a chart we
February 12, 2008 - 16:31 ET by TruthMongerif so it's a chart we probably don't want to be on anyway:)
Don't forget
February 12, 2008 - 16:16 ET by kgC O R R U P T I O N
According to Britcom's dictionary...
February 12, 2008 - 17:44 ET by BritcomThe word corruption, and the word Democrat have the same meaning.
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"I want to take those
February 12, 2008 - 21:24 ET by robert108"I want to take those profits, and use them for the common good." - HRC
Nothing "moderate" about that.
I'll start...
February 12, 2008 - 15:34 ET by sarcasmoWhat drives me wild is that her daughter can call Hillary the most fiscally-conservative candidate left out there, and it passes the laugh-test. That fact says a lot more than Republicans might want said about the lingering bad effects of the Virgin Veto-Pen.
JMR
If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...
Maggie Wiiliams
February 12, 2008 - 15:39 ET by ricklailHow about this where Maggie Williams calls her extremely conservative.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
Newsflash Klein...Billary
February 12, 2008 - 15:35 ET by bigtimerNewsflash Klein...Billary is a cradle to grave leftist...you know, a SOCIALIST!
A moderate would be someone like well, McCain... with the exception of the war.
Forget about Joe Klien
February 12, 2008 - 15:35 ET by YahooWatcherHow about Brian Williams sliding in "insurgents on the right" into the conversation?
Newsflash to Klein and the
February 12, 2008 - 15:37 ET by wiwfNewsflash to Klein and the MSM: If you don't know what a word means, DON'T USE IT. I speak specifically about words like "moderate, liberal, and conservative."
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
YW... ...thank you, I did
February 12, 2008 - 15:41 ET by bigtimerYW...
...thank you, I did notice that and got side-tracked when posting, I thank you for bringing that to attention, these leftist self-appointed talking heads never stop, ever... I am past fed up with all of them...they are maddening...every single day they prove they are our enemies within.
YW, yea that makes me an insurgent, AGW denier,
February 12, 2008 - 16:44 ET by upcountrywaterTruth fades to change. Mitt is a DENIER
iranian uranium; iranian ICBM's iranian satellites..
4 (unthinkable) H-bombs, NOW THAT'S SOME CHANGE
Keep the change Bob. h/t Sam Peckinpah
Great!
February 12, 2008 - 17:07 ET by masslibertarianOne more reason I'm glad I supported Mitt.
BTW, "infidel" is a much more accurate analogy than "denier." AGW true believers aren't much different than jihadists; both worship death cults seeking to overturn modernity and take us back to living in the stone age.
Global Warming?
February 12, 2008 - 17:31 ET by YahooWatcherIt was only 3 above when I woke up this morning. That 6 degree rise in global temperatures CNN/NGC keep talking about can't come fast enough for me. Not to mention all the free-loaders who won't need federal home heating assistance (also known as welfare) any more if things would just warm up a little.
BTW - I drive a pickup that gets 11mpg. I'm doing my part to bring temperatures up.
Maybe you heard him wrong...
February 12, 2008 - 15:39 ET by vrwc13Maybe you heard him wrong...
...maybe he said "Barely moderate"?
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"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people" -HRC
Klein
February 12, 2008 - 15:40 ET by cvgbuckeyeKlein and his ilk will never get it. These people are clueless, always have been, are and always will be. Therefore, I find them relatively sinless, yet responsible for potentially disastrous damage to our nation; maybe more so than the most radical of Radical Muslims.
I disagree with most of the
February 12, 2008 - 15:45 ET by Clear thinkerI disagree with most of the comments here on Klein. I think he says things like this just to change the argument. He knows damn well Hillary is a true-blue lefty, he just wants others to think differently about her. Sooner or later she has to go back to the center and people like Klein just pave the way for it.
The Conservative movement is about to be reborn.
What was it Salvador Dali
February 12, 2008 - 15:49 ET by Jack BauerWhat was it Salvador Dali said -- may you live through Surreal times.
McCain the liberal -- representing the Democrat wing of the Republican party.
Hillary the socialist -- whose only qualification is she slept with a former President. Sure... her and 300 others.
Obama the empty space-suit - with a resume thinner than an anorexic supermodel. A man who has risen without trace. Chancey the Obama, indeed. And he ain’t that “young” either.
Joe, We Always Knew Ya
February 12, 2008 - 16:06 ET by Intellectual HonestyThis is the same guy who wrote a Time Magazine cover article in May of 2003 titled:
Why They Don't Make Democrats Like They Used To (And How To Fix It)
This was essentially an advice column, pure and simple. Needless to say you would never see the same offer of advice to the Republican Party. Joe Klein has no objectivity and hundreds of examples of bias towards the Dems. That is, he has no credibility just like Time Magazine.
If she's "fairly moderate"
February 12, 2008 - 16:14 ET by rbosqueIf she's "fairly moderate" then Chairman Mao was a sunday school teacher.
"Many of you are well enough off that...the tax cuts may have helped
you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to
you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"
-Sen. Hillary Clinton
I can't comprehend how a
February 12, 2008 - 16:34 ET by mattmI can't comprehend how a moron like Klein can get the job he has.
If Joe Klein wants to know
February 12, 2008 - 16:34 ET by fitzfongIf Joe Klein wants to know why Republicans and even a lot of Democrats detest Hillary Clinton, perhaps he should read or watch "Primary Colors". That should serve as a pretty accurate reminder. The movie starred Emma Thompson as the characterization of Hillary Clinton. The book (and screenplay) was written by "Anonymous"...wait a minute, "Anonymous" turned out to be...Joe Klein.
Maybe Klein can provide some
February 12, 2008 - 16:47 ET by TEMaybe Klein can provide some evidence to show how he and Rodham differ in any way from the Democrat party base. The pagans? The atheists? The Marxists? The socialists? The tree huggers? The earth worshippers? The flag burners? The draft dodgers? The feminists (hahahahahaha)? The race baiters? The race hustlers? The al Qaeda lobby? The cut 'n runners? The Second Amendment haters? The U.S. military haters? The fundamentalist homosexualists? Don't bet on Klein providing any such evidence.
The really scary part of
February 12, 2008 - 16:50 ET by bassndudeThe really scary part of this, is that Hill is a moderate, when compared to the likes of Obama. From what I can gather, he is the most liberal person in DC.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
I honestly believe Joe Klein is permanently stoned
February 12, 2008 - 17:03 ET by Lame CherryJoe Klein if you see the way he mood swings to trying to rip out Dick Armey's appendages at the Swamp to these bizarre things he comes up with like the above mirrors someone so stoned on meth or sniffing paint fumes that I just start laughing how odd ball his mind is not working.
Fairly moderate Hillary wants to communize the United States health system which will bankrupt America and turn the US into a 3rd world Soviet state.
If you noticed no dead people, plane crashes nor stolen FBI files have occurred in the Bush White House and yet there were dozens with Hillary around with her fingerprints on the files.
Apparently Klein in his dope snorting binge with Bill in writing his book and lying about it, has the perfect solution in life in ridding the world of despots.........one just calls Stalin fairly moderate, Saddam fairly moderate........and people like Refuseniks and Kurds who battled such things are hate filled zealots.
Explains all apparently in life to Joe Klein.
And for the record Dopehead Joe, Hillary is not an enemy to me nor to any Conservative. She is just a misguided woman using power to make up for her lack of self esteem and using voter popularity to make up for being an ugly girl.
She steals and accepts bribes to fill her void and thinking if she buys people's loyalty in health care she will finally be loved.
She is like you Mr. Klein, a screwed up emotionally and mentally unfit American. Big money in that now days though as shills like you get Soros funds so he can with his cronies take over and rule the world.........a world you think you will rule in, but you will be one of the first in a re education camp as your purpose is done when the Republic falls.
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Klein must be Brokow's most
February 12, 2008 - 17:03 ET by Free ThinkerKlein must be Brokow's most conservative friend
Character
February 12, 2008 - 17:26 ET by easygoerIt's be cause she has never, ever exhibited a shred of character in her public life.
Hello?
February 12, 2008 - 17:38 ET by BritcomBecause she is a Communist!
What part of REPUBLICan don't you understand, Klein?
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Why does Hillary rile some Republicans?
February 12, 2008 - 21:16 ET by Agent W.H.Y....because they're the ones who are misogynistic neanderthals! More
than 'fairly moderate' Mrs. Clinton is positioned to the right of
mainstream America. Only in comparison to the Reublican party which is
now in the control of the fascists can she be considered a leftist.
Remember, she is a DLC Dem, from the corporate wing of the Democratic
party, and certainly not a progressive.
How is life in S.M.E.R.S.H.
February 12, 2008 - 21:27 ET by Jack BauerHow is life in S.M.E.R.S.H. these days agent Whybother?
That's the Society of Mentally Enfeebled Reactionary Socialist Headcases, in case anyone was wondering.
Agent Whogivesacrap.
"Because the Republicans
February 13, 2008 - 01:26 ET by ckc1227"Because the Republicans are completely berserk for reasons that kind of escape me about Hillary Clinton. She's not a wild lefty, she's a fairly moderate person."
Yeah, cuz nothing says "moderate" quite like "I'm going to take those profits", and "I'm going to garnish those wages" does.
Hillary has a lifetime conservative rating of 8%, and idolized a known Marxist. Hillary is no moderate. She *may* be a moderate as liberals go( I said *may*), but in no way does that make her a moderate on the political scale as a whole.
Their idea of "moderate" is
February 13, 2008 - 09:56 ET by BritcomTheir idea of "moderate" is someone who is not a foaming at
the mouth athiest.
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