NYT Surprisingly Addresses Horse Slaughter Without Hyperbole

By Lynn Davidson | January 14, 2008 - 13:15 ET

I found a surprising article in the New York Times, one that probably shocked its liberal-leaning base.  

The headline was slanted, but  this January 11 article was a thoughtful assessment of the unintended, but predicted, consequences of the state laws banning US horse slaughter.

With the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act that would ban the export of US horses for slaughter before Congress, the Times dove right into this activist Thunderdome. The NYT revealed after the state bans, unwanted horses face “more grueling travel” and are shipped to Canada or worse, “gruesome deaths” in Mexico, where their spinal cords are severed with knives (bold mine).

The American slaughterhouses killed horses quickly by driving steel pins into their brains, a method the American Veterinary Medical Association considers humane. Workers in some Mexican plants, by contrast, disable them by stabbing them with knives to sever their spinal cords, said Temple Grandin, a professor of animal science at Colorado State University..

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My worst nightmare has happened,” Dr. Grandin said. “This is an example of well-intentioned but very bad unintended consequences.” (...)

“First time in my life I’ve seen livestock that has no value,” said Devin Mullet, owner of Kalona Sales Barn in southeastern Iowa.

After his monthly auction in October, Mr. Mullet said, he shot 28 horses that had failed to fetch any bids. Since then, he has monitored horses coming in for sale, turning away those he thinks are worthless — often yearlings and the aged, which tend to yield less meat.

Of course, animal rights activists see these state bans as a victory and say “It’s a step closer to the long-term goal of banning slaughter in North America...There are fewer horses slaughtered.”

Cavel International, the foreign operator of the Illinois slaughterhouse is appealing 2007's state ban to the US Supreme Court. However, both houses in Congress are considering the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act, which federally outlaws horse slaughter in America as well as exporting them for slaughter. 

The American Veterinary Medicine Association opposes the bans, asking “what do we do with all of these unwanted horses?” (AVMA faq here.) The 100,000 American horses slaughtered each year can't all be adopted or euthanized as supporters such as those in the Times suggest.

The Times listed the cost for euthanasia at $140, but not everyone can afford that, and there can be “environmental issues related to burial.” Horse sale websites report some owners can't even give away these unwanted horses and offer them online for free. 

The NYT didn't list the high cost of ownership. Feed prices have doubled. Desperate owners bombard shelters, and some just abandon their horses.

The average yearly cost of feeding a horse is $2,300 a year, and that doesn't include, stable, vet and farrier bills. Boarding a horse may include feed, but the board alone ranges from $100 to $650 a month. Horses, who can live up to 30 years, also need accessories; saddles, bridles, brushes, blankets, etc.

The largest horse association in the US, the American Quarter Horse Association opposed the bans for “fundamental economic, humane and public health” reasons. The AQHA predicted the tragic results of banning horse slaughter, but the government didn't listen. The federal ban will leave the owners of 100,000 unwanted horses a year with few options.

Although the Times didn't explore all of the negative repercussions of banning horse slaughter in America, at least it reported they exist. I'm sure PETA is preparing the red paint.

 

Lynn doesn't hate horses. Contact her with tips and the inevitable complaints at tvisgoodforyou2 “at” yahoo “dot” com.

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"Feel good" "liberals"

"Feel Good", illogical  "liberalism" always has "unintended" consequences.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

 More than a year ago I

 More than a year ago I discussed this ban with my uncle who trains horses.  He is a horse lover, but also questioned this ban, wondering what people would do with the old horses.  These are big animals. You cannot just dig a small hole and stick them in it when they die.  The people in France were one of the buyers of the horse meat.  I believe two of the last horse slaughter plants in the U.S. were in Texas.  Now those jobs have been added to the list of jobs sent out of the country by government regs.

If I was hungry enough I would eat a horse! I eat cow meat and the young calves can be quite cute. Horse, with its cloven hoof, is not Kosher for those who folow those rules.

 

The poison of Multiculturalism has made people so that if the "Borg" of Star Trek were to show up saying "resistance is futile, you will be assimilated", half the Western World would call those of us who resisted "Bigots" and "xenophobes"

Why are we shipping horses

Why are we shipping horses to Mejico?

I mean, come on, how many Chinese restaurants are there in Mejico?

Are there any McDonald's processing plants in Mejico?

Liberalism ALWAYS generates

Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of its intention ... Jim Quinn, WPGB 104.7 FM Pittsburgh, Pa.

The Point of Slaughtering Horses

Ms. Davidson, it would help to provide the history of this and as we are a helpful family of knowledge, here am I to explain another Newsbuster's exclusive.

The genesis of this was in the origins of the garbage groups for animal profits like PETA and the Humane Society. They found that there were a bunch of wounded souls lurking to the Democratic voters and put up pictures of the one thing everyone loved in Westerns and that being horses who were at the late 1960's a bunch of bone piles, infested with worms and covered with burrs running wild on our BLM public lands.

A good example of these "horses" were Col. Charles Askins who was with the Border Patrol and Forest Service speaking of Navajo "horses". These were not Secretariat nor Trigger, but as stated above a sort of starving, worthless, diseased carrying plague which was destroying habitat for wildlife. Askins used to shoot the reservation "horses" when they strayed on public land and fed them to his hounds which he ran to kill predators, so the predators were not killing pusscat and fido.

These nags were of great use in feeding pets in that industry, but when Wild Horse Annie out of Nevada shut everything down, a most horrid check was lost. America almost lost it's Desert Big Horn Rams due to the horses destroying all the grazing.

So "adoption" was the key..........well, the first years were great as adoption was picking up $100 nags and they shipped out to ranches, were fattened up and then sold at a profit for slaughter. These horses were a good eating market item which went to Europe as the Europeans just love eating horse meat.

Then the money grabbing jackasses in the Interior found out they could make more money by screwing Americans over by selling horses in "adoption" at $300 fine now. These "mustangs" are still untamed and pure nags which require vast amounts of horse know how as they are WILD, WILD, WILD.

2 sectors of the Federal Government now operate. Interior of the BLM rounds up and tries to con these unmanageable nags onto consumers who then end up having the BLM stick their nose into your business forever to make sure you "take care of that nag you can not tame".
The Federal Wildlife has a much simpler plan, they just shoot every burro, donkey and horse on their wildlife acres. Making great coyote and eagle feed which does not rot.

This leads us to your article and what the dufus New York Times does not understand as they did not ask someone who knows what is going on.

Point 1, the slaughter industry, being deprived of cheap worthless wild nags and still having a pet food and European people food market begging for horse meat then turned into, yes you guessed it, the Trigger and tame horse market. So all of those horses which could have been pets as they are domesticated end up now on some Dutchman's table and pooped into the Dutch Sea.

This brings about the long distance transportation of horses. I will disagree about the nonsense of horses being injured as they are an investment until dead and over abuse of them causes pounds to be shed and dehydrating them is a loss of poundage, so the slaughter people are not going to overtly harm their investment.
By the same understanding, they are not going to be grooming, providing pellets or being gentle with these horses as they will be dead. They have ceased being pets and just like PETA and the Humane Society's multi million slaughter of dogs and cats each year.........the pet becomes an animal and the animal a dead carcase.

In understanding this, I have strong emotions in the BLM nags should be rounded up and slaughtered as a renewable resource as they always were, but people think those nags are mustangs wild and free. Just look at some of Frederick Remington's art and you will see a walking shaggy bone pile. That is what a mustang is........a mean wild animal which requires a great deal of savy to even train and it is where the term "breaking a horse" came from as one had to break them literally.

I know very well someone reading this will speak of the conditioning possible by BLM sanctioned trainers on mustangs. Yes one can end up with a riding horse IF YOU ARE AN EXPERT or if you end up with cross, but there is a reason the Indians rode with Mexican bits to control those wild creatures.......as Col. Dodge reported would eat cottonwood bark all winter and if one fed them they just turned into fat ornery pigs.

There is a reason the English plow horse was crossed with Spanish Barbs and the infamous Arabian to create........Thoroughbreds, Quarterhorses and Morgans as the orignal wild horses were all nags.
The Nez Pierce and Cayuse out of these Canadian imports created the Cayuse, Ap and the Curly of the Crow Indians. The pinto became the Paint as it was Americanized into a horse one could use.

Teddy Roosevelt in speaking of these wild horses from Texas stated this about his ranch. He had 40 horses. The best was Manitou his hunting horse and a little cutting mare to small to ride all the time. The other 38 were about 5 manageable horses (a grey he had threw him and dislocated his thumb and that was a "good" riding horse) 25 which one could ride and expect to be thrown.....and the remaining bunch would either attack you when you went into the corral or tried to kill you by biting, pawing or kicking.

I want to make the point that wild horses like wolves are wild and domesticated horses are tame like dogs after conditioning.

This past October I acquired an "Indian horse" which was a medicine hat quarter horse cross that would be pooped into the Dutch Sea if not for me. She has one blue eye and one brown eye, a dilute and dark gene mix. I also acquired a "range horse" which was a quarter horse filly of rather big size who was as untamed as the wind. It took me 3 weeks to convince her it was just ok to touch her and for her to like it.
Both horses after daily care still blow up on occasion as horses will do. I state this that these are horses who are domesticated and unhandled and it is going to take some very adept training and conditioning to get them to settle. They have good days and like this week I had 3 days of the terrible two year olds in the range horse was "acting untamed again".

I state all of this to show I know the subject and horses well enough in my many vocations. Horses are not the plugs one cuddles and loves. Horses need to be conditioned by subtle dominance that the human is the one in command or the human is going to be bit, kicked or killed.

I would love it if we lived in a world where one could shelve horses and all horses were Silver and Scout, but that is not the case. I have had to sell horses for slaughter and have had my cattle horses who I should have sold die of old age and ate the cost, because they "earned" that I figured.

The best solution is simple. Put into place NOT government BLM or GAME flunkies from college, but real stockmen to oversee roundups where nags are not run into the ground nor abused. Let the stockmen sort the better horses out for real adoption or for turning them loose to improve the mustang. Slaughter the culls as the world has always done and does daily to even the apple tree being cut down which does not produce the best vegan fruit........and give the tame horse market a break.

One has to understand that horses eat like horses in the wild or in the corral. Many people will breed mares "to just help pay that feed bill" and dump these breeders onto the slaughter market. That is the way things work........I won't do it, because I won't do that to animals, but the government has no business telling anyone not to as these are animals.

I don't like the slaughter pens, but then I wouldn't like some European going hungry either if horse meat makes him alive and happy. I just don't have to feed them my horses and by God's grace never will.

Horses though need to be understood that the ones pulling Half Pint's wagon are not the nags dealing with cougars, coyotes, wolves and bears daily or being shot at by Feds.

That though is a brief history........it is not the slaughter market's making, but it is dense PETA types and crying ignorants who make money off of issues, pass idiot laws and then come up with New York Times dumba** statements like "Mexico cuts horses spines".

Yeah and the PETA types gas puppies and kitties which causes animals to suffocate.........GET THE POINT, the Mexicans are being more humane than all the people complaining about it. Death is death and it is not going to stop. It though can be fixed to lessen market demand on horses that actually want a relationship with humans by utilizing a renewable resource of the nags running on BLM lands.

Sure beats Ranger Rick pumping lead into a nag and leaving it rot........but Rick is only doing it to protect wildlife species native to America.

I suspect the Times will want some cursed law "regulating" and taxing horses on farms now to stop this "cruel" practice........when it was the New York Times horse sh*t which started this mess in the beginning.
It was all working fine until the liberals got involved.

 

 

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LC -

 <jumping down off the fence post on this one>

I bow to your knowledge on this subject.

Kudoes!

WIld Horse Annie is when it started

While I disagree with your assessment of wild horses as nags, I agree that slaughter has a purpose.  

Like most horse-crazy little girls, I read the Marguerite Henry book "Wild Horse Annie" and was horrified that horses were killed for meat--wild or domestic. I vividly remember the scene in the book where the evil wranglers rounded up the horses, herding them with jeeps and attaching ropes with tires on the ends to slow them down. If I recall correctly, the book urged kids to contact politicians, and I thought the ban was a good idea. I'm pretty sure I cried reading that book.

When I got older, I realized that not all horses are wanted, and there are an awful lot of cheap horses at livestock sales. What happens to them? Around 70% of horse owners earn less than $50,000 a year. You know how expensive horses can be. One emergency vet call can be thousands and owners constantly need to buy something for them.

Read the NYT article again. I think the paper was rather fair about the issue. In fact, I posted about the article because it was so fair. It gave both sides and didn't tell heart-wrenching stories about horses, designed to sway readers' emotions. It was a straight-up assessment of the unintended, but not unknown, consequences of banning horse slaughter. Some of the other papers, such as the LAT, were not as honest. The Times gets credit for this one.

After I stopped riding, I was grateful that a very nice horse trainer with kids and young students took my oldest horse Cody when he was over 20. At their barn, Cody was a loved lesson horse for several more years until he retired and finally died at 30. They all aren't that lucky; not everyone has that option.

He took up precious stall space and ate expensive food every day without contributing anything back financially, but they were nice enough to keep him. They lost money  keeping him alive, and horse people know that isn't a business for people who want to get rich. Most horse owners don't get that lucky.

If he hadn't been a well-trained show horse, he wouldn't have lived out his days fat and happy with a family who cared about him. I truly owe that family my gratitude.

 

Lynn, Lame, et all. LA Times did a horse story as well.

In yesterday's Sunday LA Times, page A-1, Drought is a hard time for horses (which I see, as I'm typing, you referenced), we find out that there are too many horses out there now. Why? Times were so good during the Clinton era, that many were able to afford the life of rest and wild horses, but now since times are tough, Bush, they can't afford to feed them and take proper care of them. Additionally, drought has driven up the cost of hay - I'd guess that is because of man made global warming. Bottom line -- slaughter.

Voting on the federal bill

Voting on the federal bill is coming up soon. The Humane Society of the United States announced a "national call-in day" for supporters of the ban to call their congressmen and senators to tell them to vote yes on the bill.

That day is January 22. It's a free country, why can't opponants of the federal bill also call their politicians but, instead, voice their opposition. 

Lynn --

I thinks you took my comment wrong, Lynn. I was offering no view of your post, which I thought was very fair - rather, I was a little tweaked at some of the angles in the LA Times piece - that's all. OK? (;~> gary

Bad thread navigating skills

Yeah, that was my mistake. I was going to reply to you and comment to the general thread, but instead, I replied to you with what I intended to write as a general comment. 

This is what I was going to say to you:

You're right. That LAT article bent over backwards to explain away the unwanted horses but failed to acknowledge the importance of slaughter in handling all of the horses unwanted for the reasons listed by the LAT. So, obviously, without slaughter, of course there are more abandoned horses! Not everyone can afford $200 to put a horse down, and not all vets haul away the carcass. 

Exceller

I wish Exceller's owners had treated him as well in his retirement as your Cody was treated in his. After all, he only won multiple Grade 1 races on dirt and grass in both Europe and North America. In the 1978 Jockey Cup Gold Cup at Belmont Park he became the only horse ever to defeat two Triple Crown winners(Seattle Slew and Affirmed) in the same race. The horse was a flat out monster and yet somehow he ended up on a Swedish farm and, when the owner went broke, he was slaughtered for horse meat. I realize it's a business and horses must be slaughtered and I'm fine with that. But Exceller had rewarded his owners with $1,654,003 in purse money and he brought thrills to racing fans on two continents. He deserved a better fate. Here he is on his greatest day; http://www.youtube.c...

I didn't know about

I didn't know about Exceller's end. Ferdinand was slaughtered in Japan and was used as a rallying cry for banning the practice in the US. I hate the idea of slaughtering horses, but there is no realistic other option. Pretty impressive beating both Slew and Affirmed.

Great username. I was always partial to Alydar, and that carried over to his get--Easy Goer, Alysheba, Strike the Gold. He didn't win the Derby (watch their Belmont duel), but Alydar far outproduced Affirmed to become one of the greatest Thoroughbred sires. Affirmed's talent didn't seem to pass down.

Are you aware of how Alydar died? If you aren't. You really should read this article that indicates Calumet Farms, which was in deep, deep financial trouble, killed Alydar for the insurance money in 1990.

You're right. Cody was a very lucky horse and lived until he was 30. I can't express how thankful I am that a trainer that took him in as a lesson horse and then let him stay in "retirement" after he was no longer ridable. Not many horses have that luxury. Cody was a wonderful horse and happily spent the final years of his life with a family who cared about him. I'm forever indebted to them.

Cody

That last part about Cody; right on

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Horse sense

"I know two things about horses. They are big and they all hate me on sight".

Travis McGee

Travis McGee's still in Cedar Key

That's what John McDonald says....

Pretty good, Doug. 

Seriously, tho...the knackers are very expensive...this is an idiot topic for the PETA fools to take up. 

Will sanity ever break out?

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Well, let's recap, shall

Well, let's recap, shall we?

Liberals are all for no slaughter of horses, but humans - slaughter away - er . . . a women's right to choose!

Is it that human babies are too costly to stable/board? No - local, state, and federal governments plus a host a charitable organizations provide money for stabling/boarding.

Is it that human babies are too costly to vet?  No - the federal governmnet provides free medical care to all those under 18 years of age whose parents, if any, can't afford it.

Is it that human babies require saddles, bridles, brushes, and blankets (clothing and the necessities of life)? No - again,  local, state, and federal government plus a host of charitable organizations provide money for clothing and the necessities of life.

No, the slaughter of human babies - one of every four born today - is simply because it is convenient to do so! 

In 2007, it is estimated that over 1.3 million human babies were slaughtered - er . . . aborted in the United States alone.

Yeah, we humans know about slaughter - our own babies - but save those horses!

Similar but Different

The concept of unintended consequences reminds me of another PETA related story from some time ago.  In the 1990's PETA's anti-fur movement was successful at lowering the demand for fur coats.  One result of this was that, in one U.S. western state, coyote fur essentially lost its value.  So fur takers reduced the hunting of coyotes due to the decline in the commerical value of their pelts.  Well, the coyote populations began to expand out of control, so much in fact that they became more than a nuisance, but downright dangerous.  The state government had to hire hunters to shoot coyotes.  The net result of all of this was that fur trappers were basically denied a source of income and coyotes were still being killed, except that, instead of actually being used for a commerically viable purpose, their carcasses were left to rot.  And, instead of a fur industry actually supporting people and their families, tax dollars were used to pay someone to do what was previously being done for free.  In fact, the trapping was actually a source of revenue for the state from the purchase of licenses.   The bottom line is there was nothing good about any of this.  Yet, I bet PETA still counted it as some kind of victory.

Unwanted horses?

I think the solution is to truck them all to the American Vet Med Assoc and leave them on their lawn.