NBC's 'Today' Decries 'End of Civility' in America, Alludes to Joe Wilson's 'You Lie!' Comment
During a discussion on Tuesday's NBC Today of a nasty divorce custody case, psychologist Gail Saltz bizarrely shoe-horned in this observation: "This is reflective of a national problem....We have taken on this 'Do whatever feels good in the moment,' with no regard for a moral compass...calling the president a liar..." Co-host Matt Lauer declared: "The end of civility."
The husband involved in the case was accused of bashing his ex-wife on his personal blog, causing the judge to order him to shut down the web site. Lauer used that fact to smear all blogs: "[The judge] said of the blog, it included, quote, 'Inaccurate, denigrating and belittling comments...it amounts to outright cruelty'....My first reaction to that is, has this judge ever gone on other blogs? That's what they're all about."
After Saltz denounced people "calling the president a liar," without mentioning Joe Wilson specifically, Lauer continued to go after the blogoshpere: "...it's what I was referring to when I said has that judge ever looked at some of the blogs that are out there? Half of it is inaccurate, most of it is denigrating and belittling." Legal analyst Star Jones chimed in: "And vulgar and all of the things that make us say what happened to shame in this country?" She lamented that "our Constitution has not caught up with our technology."
Saltz's standard for civility has a decidedly liberal slant. In October of 2009, she appeared in a report on CNN about political talk radio and proclaimed that Rush Limbaugh was only popular because he was "...operating like the bully, and if you’re on the playground...you want to be...under the bully’s wing and go along with him and get...some power by proxy."
In May, Saltz appeared on Today and warned that Americans celebrating the death of Osama bin Laden was "very disturbing" and wondered: "Does it look different enough from recent pictures we've seen of what went on in Egypt and so on?"
Here is a transcript of the August 9 exchange on Today:
8:14AM ET
(...)
MATT LAUER: The judge in the case said this as she ordered the blog shut down and threatened Mr. Morelli that he might lose his shared custody. She said of the blog, it included, quote, 'Inaccurate, denigrating and belittling comments,' end quote, about Allison, and quote, it's not just venting that I have read on these pages, it amounts to outright cruelty,' end quote. My first reaction to that is, has this judge ever gone on other blogs? That's what they're all about.
STAR JONES: There would be no reason to have a blog. And that's what the Constitution actually protects. The Constitution protects your right to be an unmitigated jerk, unless you are defaming someone, it's obscene, or against national security.
LAUER: Gail, let's bring you in. Let's go from the legal now to the psychological. This was a nasty marriage, nasty divorce, it's a nasty custody battle. He clearly does not have the best interest of his children in mind.
GAIL SALTZ: Unfortunately not. I think, you know, he may win but they won't win. And he may be right, legally, but he's not right in terms of the family. Because at the end of the day when a couple gets divorced, we know the fallout for children and the only way to try to help this be the healthiest for them is to preserve two good parents. Even if they don't want to be together, but it's your job to help say, to some degree, 'Your mom's an okay person and loves you.'
LAUER: And I was thinking of the age of the children when I read this. They're 10 and 12. They can understand this.
SALTZ: They sure do understand this. And they're also not old enough that they're not very impressionable at this age. So all he's doing, essentially, is he's robbing them of the other parent.
LAUER: And what does it teach these kids about, in their future, how to deal with conflict?
SALTZ: Well, this is horrendous. I mean, this is a bad way to deal with conflict all around. I would even say, quite honestly, that this is – this is reflective of a national problem, to me, going on. That we have taken on this 'Do whatever feels good in the moment,' with no regard for a moral compass, whether you're calling the president a liar, whether you're tweeting your mm-hmm, you know...
LAUER: The end of civility.
SALTZ: The end of civility.
LAUER: It is. That's what – and we were all talking about this in the commercial break and it's what I was referring to when I said has that judge ever looked at some of the blogs that are out there? Half of it is inaccurate, most of it is denigrating and belittling.
JONES: And vulgar and all of the things that make us say what happened to shame in this country? But our Constitution has not caught up with our technology.
LAUER: Yeah. So you think if you just had to kind of use your crystal ball, you think this guy wins on appeal?
JONES: He absolutely has an issue and he has a 14th Amendment issue of due process. She made this decision without listening to any evidence, taking any witnesses. Everyone's allowed to have their day in court and he didn't even get that.
LAUER: It's going to be fascinating to see how this plays out. Star, thanks very much. Gail, always good to see you.
SALTZ: Thank you.
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The President IS a liar. And
Submitted by rbosque on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 6:15pm.
The President IS a liar. And if they want to talk of incivilty, how about the constant demonization of the Tea Party, Palin, Bush, and Conservatives in general?
What about the riots in Wisconsin? Those people are the product of liberal racism and class warfare that's been spoon-fed by the LEFT.
Riots in Wisconsin
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 6:36pm.
What about the riots in Wisconsin?
When a political messiah espouses class warfare, riots in Wisconsin should come as no surprise.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Exactly.
Submitted by rbosque on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 6:53pm.
Exactly.
It is significant
Submitted by Bob K on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 6:30pm.
that she had to go all the way back to the "You Lie!" incident. That is soooooo 2009. She could have found much more recent examples of incivility, had she chaosen to do so. The only problem is that most of them would have been examples spouted by liberals.
Kinda like "so I know whose
Submitted by rwesley2.0 on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 8:15pm.
Kinda like "so I know whose ass to kick", etc.
The Marxist Media Bit<h
Submitted by Bodini on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 6:47pm.
The Marxist Media Bit
The Marxist Media Bit<h
Submitted by Bodini on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 6:52pm.
The Marxist Media Bit
"...it's what I was referring
Submitted by Reaver on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 6:53pm.
"...it's what I was referring to when I said has that judge ever looked at some of the blogs that are out there? Half of it is inaccurate, most of it is denigrating and belittling."
If Matt wanted to find examples of inaccurate, denigrating and belittling may I suggest he try looking a little closer to home.
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Martin Bashir on NBC's 'Today': Rupert Murdoch 'A Combination of Jack Abramoff and James "Whitey" Bulger'
I could keep going but I think I’ve made my point, you might want to clean your own house before you accuse others of being bad housekeepers, Matt.
Stupid
Submitted by grammajane on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 7:13pm.
The cops acted stupid. I bowl like a Special Olympian kid
Another psychologist?
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 7:12pm.
I notice that any psychiatrists that appear on mainstream media outlets are less likely to sensationalize the issues to the point that psychologists do. Therapists, counselors and social workers are even worse, often creating new "syndromes" ad hoc that would never make it through the rigor of a DSM definition.
Reiterating what I have said before, therapists, psychologists and counselors do have their place in treating mental illness. Unfortunately, they are far too prone to blabbing uncontrollably based more on their feelings and political opinions rather than providing a replicable diagnosis acceptable in the medical specialty of psychiatry. We do get along as professional colleagues, but psychiatrists have and always will have reservations about the capacity of the soft, fuzzy types to interject personal opinions, biases and subjective information as "facts" in a diagnostic or treatment scenario.
Best thing I ever heard from an MSW
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 7:22pm.
Actually, it was a poster on her door.
"Teenagers, Leave Home Now, While You Still Know Everything!"
Every single MSW, or Masters Level Therapist I've ever met (and I worked as a controller in "the biz" for many years) spent EVERY SINGLE HOUR of their clinical supervision discussing their own issues. Lunatics, heal thyselves doesn't begin to cover it.
They are, truly, worse than journalists in their "want to change the world" outlook. A bunch of fat, unattractive, sorrowful people. Why you docs haven't run them out of business, I"ve never been able to figure out. I'd make a better therapist...."quitcher bit***in, go cook in the kitchen, and eat a nice meal!".
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Oh, Blonde, there have been situations...
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 8:30pm.
...especially with therapists and social workers who contend their two years of education and the "hundreds of hours of face to face time" make them more valuable to patient care. They always argue over the point of prescribing privileges, which is something reserved for physicians, properly certified physician assistants acting under collaborative practice agreements and nurse practitioners according to the requirements of the licensing jurisdiction. A pharmacist has the most training in the use of medications, and I frequently consult them for information on drug therapy. As it stands, I trust a pharmacist to know more about medication therapy than a soft, fuzzy therapist unaware of such trivial things as serotonin syndrome, anticholinergic delirium and lithium thyroid hormone depletion. Those are just examples of "minor" medication problems that can kill, but of course a soft, fuzzy type could, at best, offer a Kleenex.
I hear ya
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 7:34pm.
Psychologist Gail Saltz bizarrely shoe-horned in this observation: "This is reflective of a national problem....We have taken on this 'Do whatever feels good in the moment,' with no regard for a moral compass..."
I'm thinking Anthony Weiner . . . Bill Clinton . . . Ted Kennedy . . . Jesse Jackson . . . Wu . . .
Why allude to Joe Wilson, when there's Pete Stark, Grayson and
Submitted by Gary Hall on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 7:42pm.
Why allude to Joe Wilson, when there's Pete Stark, Grayson, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Joe Biden and so many more:
CA Democrat Rep. Pete Stark stands out the most here, in my mind. This would be back in 2007 - long before Pete Wilson's crass, but truthful comment. Noel covered it here:
Needless to say, the entire national media, as they always do when it's from their side, ignored it. NBC Today probably never heard about it, and if they did, they'd been in the cheering section anyway.
(;~> gary
Gary, don't forget Harry the Zip Reid,
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 7:52pm.
and his comment, " this war is lost and the surge isn't accomplishing anything".
But, those were dems saying those things, and that never plays well in the LSM. Let me correct my self, that never plays in the LSM, at all.
Buy Joe Wilson was right. Is
Submitted by buddyc on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 7:42pm.
Buy Joe Wilson was right. Is that not important. Isn't exactly what Wilson said turnning bout to be true?
TO the media and Obama, "Elections have consequences, I won you lost, live with it".
NBC the home of Matthews,
Submitted by buddyc on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 7:44pm.
NBC the home of Matthews, Schultz, Sharpton, Bashiers, Mitchell, ODonnell, Lauer, Gregory, Williams, Ungar, Maddow and they want to really pontificate on civility?
truth!
Submitted by cbrown90 on Tue, 08/09/2011 - 10:05pm.
It is NOT incivility if it is the TRUTH!
Convenient how the Today fails to show all the times liberals, like Ted Kennedy, yelled out things at State of the Unions long before Joe Wilson did!
Why is anyone surprised at the Today Show? This is the same news groups that runs the BS from MSNBC!
Civility?
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:54am.
you mean like these nice wholesome girls from the UK who hate the cops and the rich? That civility that comes from the leftist mob mentality?http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1514850&page=4
http://forums.digitalspy.co.u
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 12:56am.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1514850&page=4
Leftist mobs just like the French Revolution here
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:07am.
Just a few examples of more Civility here by the leftist mob during Government speeches. http://sweetness-light.com/archive/union-thugs-shout-down-wi-townhall http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/08/video-moran-gets-irritable-at-vete... http://sfist.com/2011/05/24/codepink_interrupts_israeli_prime_m.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2azCtcfvlAc
Joe Wilson was and is right
Submitted by ohio granny on Wed, 08/10/2011 - 1:02pm.
Joe Wilson told the truth. Obama is a liar. A compulsive, serial liar. So is the MSM. They lie to try to cover for Obama and the democrats. Not that many people are buying into their lies anymore.
Civility does not demand that we not tell the truth. If someone is a liar, it it perfectly acceptable to call them a liar. I say it again. Obama is a COMPULSIVE, SERIAL LIAR. Just listen to his own words.