CBS’s Schieffer Sees No Problem With Obama Olympic Trip

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Bob Schieffer, CBS Appearing on Tuesday’s CBS Early Show, Face the Nation host Bob Schieffer shrugged off any concerns over President Obama traveling to Copenhagen to lobby for the 2016 Olympics in Chicago: "I mean, being associated with the Olympics has always been good politics for presidents....I don’t think it’s going to make any difference to the success or failure of the Obama presidency."

Co-host Harry Smith agreed with Schieffer’s assessment: "Fourteen hours on an airplane will not make or break his presidency, I think we can go along with that." However, Smith still worried about the political fallout: "But doesn’t this seem awfully risky for this president to do right now?...we’ve got Iran coming to a boiling point, Afghanistan waiting for a decision on how many troops should or should not be sent there, health care bubbling back on the back burner. Does he have time to do this?"

Such skepticism from Smith was certainly a change from his declaration on Monday’s Evening News: "The Olympic motto is ‘swifter, higher, stronger.’ Apparently, President Obama is taking that to heart. In a change of plans today, the President decided he will go to Denmark to try to win the 2016 summer games for his hometown."

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On Tuesday, Schieffer responded to the question raised by Smith about whether Obama had the time to make the trip: "Oh, I think he – the White House would argue that he does. And I mean, you could make the case that he doesn’t, but, again, I mean he’s not going to decide what to do about Afghanistan over the next 24 hours." Given the fact that Afghanistan commander General Stanley McChrystal has been pleading with the administration over the urgent need for more troops, one wonders why the President would not make such a decision within the next 24 hours.

Prior to Smith’s discussion with Schieffer, correspondent Jeff Glor reported on the President’s Olympic push: "This has been a controversial bid at times, but the city is now hoping that sending a high profile delegation will put them over the top....It will be the first time a sitting president has made such a trip. A sign of how badly Mr. Obama wants the games in his adopted hometown."

Glor did also cite criticism of the bid: "Chicago’s Olympic organizers believe the games will cost about $5 billion to stage, but would generate $22.5 billion for the local economy. Though critics say that both of those numbers are far too optimistic. And they point to a recent Chicago Tribune poll that shows support for the games in this city has dropped to 47%." A clip was played of No Games Chicago member Tom Tresser: "This thing is going to be financially ruinous as well as environmentally disastrous."

Glor concluded his report: "Up until the President’s announcement, Rio De Janeiro was considered the slight favorite to win these games in 2016, with Chicago running a close second. The President, obviously, is hoping to change that."

Here is a full transcript of the Early Show segment:

7:00AM TEASE:

HARRY SMITH: President Obama gets set to go to Denmark. The first ever presidential pitch to bring the Olympics to Chicago.

VALERIE JARRETT: He decided that he could leave for just one day.

SMITH: But with health care, the Afghan war and problems with Iran, does he have too much on his plate for a trip like this? We’ll ask our own Bob Schieffer.

7:01AM SEGMENT:

MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: Right now we want to get right to our top story. The unprecedented decision by President Obama, who is hoping to win gold by traveling himself to Copenhagen to help Chicago snag the 2016 summer Olympics. But his decision is not without political risk. CBS News national correspondent Jeff Glor is in Chicago this morning with more. Good morning, Jeff.

[ON-SCREEN HEADLINE: Going for Gold, Obama Makes Pitch for Chicago Olympics]

JEFF GLOR: Maggie, good morning to you. That’s exactly right, the President, as you know, already has plenty on his plate and Chicago winning these games is by no means a sure thing. This has been a controversial bid at times, but the city is now hoping that sending a high profile delegation will put them over the top. The most well-known members of the lobbying team have not left yet, including Oprah Winfrey, First Lady Michelle Obama-

BARACK OBAMA: Let the games begin!

GLOR: -and her husband, the President, who changed his mind about traveling on Monday.

VALERIE JARRETT: He decided that he could leave for just one day, a single day, and be back in time to keep going on health care reform.

GLOR: Ahead of the President, the aptly numbered United Flight 2016 left Chicago last night for Copenhagen with 250 boosters on board, after a rousing sendoff.

NASTIA LIUKIN [OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST, GYMNASTICS]: It would just mean – it just gives me goose bumps even thinking about it. And I mean, it just – it would be amazing.

GLOR: It will be the first time a sitting president has made such a trip. A sign of how badly Mr. Obama wants the games in his adopted hometown. He’ll be joined by the heads of state from each of Chicago’s three rivals. Rio De Janeiro, Tokyo, and Madrid.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN [NARRATOR, CHICAGO OLYMPIC PROMO]: At this village center-

GLOR: Chicago’s Olympic organizers believe the games will cost about $5 billion to stage, but would generate $22.5 billion for the local economy. Though critics say that both of those numbers are far too optimistic. And they point to a recent Chicago Tribune poll that shows support for the games in this city has dropped to 47%.

TOM TRESSER [NO GAMES CHICAGO]: This thing is going to be financially ruinous as well as environmentally disastrous.

GLOR: Up until the President’s announcement, Rio De Janeiro was considered the slight favorite to win these games in 2016, with Chicago running a close second. The President, obviously, is hoping to change that. The winning bid is announced on Friday afternoon. Harry, back to you.

SMITH: Jeff Glor in Chicago this morning, thank you very much. Joining us now is Bob Schieffer, CBS News chief Washington correspondent and host of Face the Nation. Good morning, Bob.

BOB SCHIEFFER: Good morning, Harry.

SMITH: You know, this tactic worked for Tony Blair, he got the Olympics to London. It worked for Vladimir Putin, he got the Olympics to Russia. We can see why there’s precedent here. But doesn’t this seem awfully risky for this president to do right now?

[ON-SCREEN HEADLINE: A Full Presidential Plate; Takes On Iran, Health Care, Afghan War & Olympics]

SCHIEFFER: You know, I really don’t think so Harry. I mean, being associated with the Olympics has always been good politics for presidents. I mean, think of Ronald Reagan, I mean, he tied his whole re-election campaign ‘Morning in America’ to the Olympics that summer in Los Angeles. I think, in the end, you and I will talk about this, a lot of the chattering class will debate it back and forth, but in the end, I don’t think it’s going to make any difference to the success or failure of the Obama presidency. If the Obama presidency goes down because – because Barack Obama went to Copenhagen, it wasn’t much of a presidency to start with. I think – I think this President’s success will be judged by how other things come out, not the least of which is Afghanistan, Iran and health care.

SMITH: Fourteen hours on an airplane will not make or break his presidency, I think we can go along with that. But at the same time, we’ve got Iran coming to a boiling point, Afghanistan waiting for a decision on how many troops should or should not be sent there, health care bubbling back on the back burner. Does he have time to do this?

SCHIEFFER: Oh, I think he – the White House would argue that he does. And I mean, you could make the case that he doesn’t, but, again, I mean he’s not going to decide what to do about Afghanistan over the next 24 hours. Those are the questions, though, that really do count. And I have to tell you right now there is a total and wholesale reassessment of our strategy in Afghanistan going on. Remember in March, the President told us that he had a new strategy, he sent a new general over there to carry out that strategy. Now here we are going over that total strategy once again. How many troops is he going to wind up sending? Or is he going to send no troops? The answer to that, Harry, is the President simply hasn’t decided yet. We have a total reassessment of what to do about Afghanistan going on within the White House and throughout the administration right now.

SMITH: Bob Schieffer, thanks so much for getting up for us this morning. Do appreciate it.

SCHIEFFER: You bet, Harry.

SMITH: Thank you, sir.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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Let the games begin

I suspect there will be records set in doping, kickbacks and bribes.  Utah holds the american record in winter bribes.

Always is.  You'd be

Always is.  You'd be surprised, but Australia actually outbribed China for the 2004 Limpics.

If Edison were to invent the light bulb today, the head- lines would read, '200,000 candle makers lose their jobs.'

Oba-Mao, the world's first child

Meanwhile, our troops continue dying in Afghanistan because the Oba-Mao has no time to discuss with the commanding general. I see no problem with that.

 Oba-Mao has much more fun playing president, than he does being president.

What's wrong with Obama

What's wrong with Obama trying to get the Olympics?  Countries always make a big push for the Olympics, and it might be good for America to have the Olympics.  Anyway, it's not like he's always doing stuff 14 hours of every day.  14 hours without him making a speech on healthcare is fine with me.

If Edison were to invent the light bulb today, the head- lines would read, '200,000 candle makers lose their jobs.'

You're absolutely right.

You're absolutely right.  Screwing around with the Olympics is a ridiculous waste of time.  What he should be doing is taking a look at the George W Bush Afghanistan playbook, you know, just to stay on track. 

xoxo - Ted

Screwing with the Olympics

Screwing with the Olympics only takes 14 hours, and Congress and generals and czars are still working while he's gone.  According to your logic, playing golf or basketball or doing anything besides trying to takeover industries is a waste of time.

You seem to think that he should be spending every waking hour on policy (specifically, you noted, Af-Pak), but Af-Pak is not something that can be solved in days or a week, and him leaving for a short time isn't going to make a difference in US policy there.

 

If Edison were to invent the light bulb today, the head- lines would read, '200,000 candle makers lose their jobs.'

SCHIEFFER is proof that evil never dies.... bwaaaahaaaaaa

: )

The presidential equivalent of FreeCell

This is just a way to distract himself from addressing difficult issues.

Freecell....LOL....that's a

Freecell....LOL....that's a good one, KC!

 "But doesn’t this seem awfully risky for this president to do right
now?...we’ve got Iran coming to a boiling point, Afghanistan waiting
for a decision on how many troops should or should not be sent there,
health care bubbling back on the back burner. Does he have time to do
this?"

Of course he has time....he has said that he has to think the Afghanistan thing through carefully...don't want to make any mistakes.  This is just his way of slowing himself down so that he doesn't make a hasty decision....thinking about it all the way to Copenhagen and back!

Maybe on the way back he'll stop in Chicago to "unwind" from the stress by playing  some b-ball with his buddies....

who's left?

So if Obeyme's on the plane for 14 hours and he's overseas, who's left in his place?

Couldn't be the VP!

-Jon

Shameless self-promotion.

Shameless self-promotion. Sorry...but it's just so rare ;-b (and it relates)

Aside from all the shady

Aside from all the shady dealings going on in Chicago, which is a major issue in itself, if Obama wanted to make a case for Chicago to the IOC then he could have pre-recorded a quick video message and asked them to play it. Looks to me like his wife gave him the word to jump and he asked “how high?”.

This reminds me of Carter poncing off to Japan whilst the US was in meltdown.

PS: If I was being a little unkind I would say that Obama got confused and thought he was off to see the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) instead.

Not ready for "prime-time"

This just shows me that Obama is more interested in lobbying for the Olympics for his hometown than making the hard decisions about Afghanistan and insuring that as small a number of our troops die and get injured over there. He is still a community organizer and can't seem to make the jump to President let alone Commander-in-Chief.

Send the troops yesterday Mr. Obama! If it turns out that the new strategy didn't need all of them then that is OK. Remember the Gulf War? Turns out that we really only "needed" half the number that we had. Does anybody fault the commanding General or the President for sending more?

Throw 'da bums out!!!

no incumbent re-elected, with very few exceptions!

www.loyaltoliberty.com

This is simply Obama as

This is simply Obama as "Trump Card".  If the Chicago bid succeeds, the success will be portrayed as being entirely because of him (and this is supposed to give him some mythical bounce for support of his domestic agenda..."the rest of the world sees his brilliance, so what is wrong with us that we don't...yack, yack, yack").  If it fails, it was never going to happen to begin with, but credit the man for trying.  So predictable.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

'If the Chicago bid succeeds'

He is going with a stacked deck, there is too much at stake to walk away without the bid. What one must focus on is the fact that he is personally traveling and not sending someone. Obama lives for facetime and this is just another example.

JDW

DAILY WAVE

I didn't know ACORN was getting a lot of money

Well, J....he just knows

Well, J....he just knows that once they are in his presence, it will be impossible for them to say no!  He is The ONE, after all!

Facetime, facetime....always facetime.  But you must remember, as he always says....it's not about him......

<Chris Matthews imitation> HA!!

The olympics never ever make a profit.

They always fail financially. That being said, why would a President concerned about our economic situation even think about bringing the games here, unless he were either totally irresponsible or in the pocket of some Illinois special interest group? Could be both. In either case, it shows he has no concren for the American people.

 The more this guy shows his face, the more transparent he gets. And many liberals are waking up that fact. 

2016

Rio deserves it and should get it. The Olympics have never been held in South America. Plus, nothing against Chi town, but Rio's great fun. Had an insane good time there and in Brazil in general. Got an uncle who's lived in Joao Pessoa, Paraiba state since 1980. Swears by it. I hope they get the games.

I agree with you. Who the

I agree with you.

Who the heck is ever excited about going to CHICAGO!!

 

Obama is clueless---

Read it somewhere this morning that Obama will, after his triumphal grand appearance in Copenhagen, divert to Afghanistan to speak personally with McCrystal. Someone had to tell him this, "We can fix this, go to Afghanistan, tell him no face-to-face, and everything will be jelly."

Rush and Glenn Beck appear

Rush and Glenn Beck appear to be setting the CIC's itinerary these days.  Someone should bring up the point that he hasn't been to visit Osama Bin Laden even once since he took office!

"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"

 

And we can be sure that the

And we can be sure that the recent embarrassing revelation that he has spoken to his top general in Afghanistan only once in 70 days played no role in Obama's decision. Nope. Not all all. Obama didn't even know he hadn't spoken to the general only once in 70 days.

Between golf games, date nights, speechifying ad nauseam all over the place, ordering pizzas, it just slipped his mind.

Someone in Afghanistan will have to point out the general so that Obama will know who he is.

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

Just like as soon as his

Just like as soon as his lack of foreign policy experience was a topic, he scheduled his European educational field trip.

....but I'm sure this Afghanistan trip had been planned before, and he just decided to do the two together....

<Snort>

 

Too bad he doesn't have a

Too bad he doesn't have a fake ranch where he can go and clear brush.

You're right

He just has the 747 fly him somewhere nearly everyday. Then there's the date to New York. These trips cost the taxpayers millions, not to mention the huge carbon footprint he's leaving. Oh...forgot about the Friday night concerts in the WH. That's another huge bill. If Bush did these things the MSM would be all over it. 

You're right.  The press

You're right.  The press was all over Bush for the 977 vacation days he took while in office, split between Camp David and Crawford. 

xoxo - Ted

Get Real, Ted

Go read up on the ranch....he may have spent alot of time at the ranch, but it was equipped with state of the art communication facilities.  He did alot of work there, Ted, as well as hosting numerous foreign dignitaries there.  Same deal with Camp David.

Bush said he felt it was important to get out of Washington from time to time to get away from the Washington mentality. 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Just as I imagine Air Force

Just as I imagine Air Force One is equipped with state of the art communication facilities.  I know we'd all like to pretend that the president spends most of his days lounging around the WH, but it's just not true.  Besides, Bush hardly had to escape Washington to get away from the Washington mentality.  

But let's face it - bringing the Olympics to Chicago, or any other US city brings in hundreds of millions of dollars to the local economy.  Bush petitioned for the 2012 games to come to NY, and Obama is bidding for Chicago.  It's a normal thing for a president to do. 

xoxo - Ted

Bush didn't travel to meet with the IOC.

This may have escaped you attention, but Bush never traveled overseas to meet with the IOC to promote NYC.  He sent a message. This is what Obama should have done about Chicago.  But, NO!  Obama had to go there PERSONALLY so he could , once again, be the Man of the Hour.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

I'm fully aware of Bush's

I'm fully aware of Bush's video message.  I even posted a link to a story about it just yesterday.  

Of course, NY lost the bid, so apparently a simple video message wasn't enough.  

Now I'm wondering, if Obama was lobbying for Dallas to host the 2016 Olympics, would there be such a problem among conservatives?   

xoxo - Ted

OK, so apples equals oranges! Got it!

"I'm fully aware of Bush's video message.  I even posted a link to a story about it just yesterday."

So Bush sends a video message, and that is same as Obama traveling half way across the world to address the IOC personally.  So, apples equals oranges.  I got it!

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

What if?

"Now I'm wondering, if Obama was lobbying for Dallas to host the 2016
Olympics, would there be such a problem among conservatives?
"

Ok, let's play the "What If" game?  What if the IOC had decided that Dallas was the final US contender city?  Do you REALLY believe that Obama would PERSONALLY fly to meet the IOC?  No, he'd do what all other Presidents would do.  He'd issue a statement and/or send a video just like Bush did

Now, back to reality:  the only reason Obama is personally meeting with the IOC is because Chicago is his home town. You know that as well as I do.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

If it had been Dallas while

If it had been Dallas while Bush was in office, you can bet your a$$ he would have taken Air Force One anywhere to plead his case. 

xoxo - Ted

I'll take that bet!

I'll take that bet.  Dallas WAS a contender and Bush send a video, he didn't appear personally!  You even have a LINK to that, don't you? So, where do I go to collect your ass?  Oh, wait, you need that to think so go ahead and keep it.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Sorry, but Dallas didn't

Sorry, but Dallas didn't even make the cut for an official bid.

http://www.gamesbids...

Now where do I go to collect your ass? 

xoxo - Ted

Sorry you still lose.

Sorry, you still lose .  Dallas WAS a contender when Bush was in office, just like Chicago.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Fine.  xoxo - Ted

Fine. 

xoxo - Ted

Actually getting down to

Actually getting down to brass tacks it was Arlington Texas that made the bid and ponied up the money for it.  It was a regional thing as all Olympics are.  Dallas and Fort Worth are less than 20 miles apart and there are many cities in between, teh DFW area.  It was decided to use Dallas because of name recognition.

You know, Ted

People wouldn't think you were such a jerk if you could get over that liberal talking point format of posting....you framed it as though President Bush was lollygagging in Crawford, which is a typical lib talking point, and about as fresh as three day old fish.

Obama could have sent a letter, an e-mail, made a video, etc.  But no, he fires up the old jumbo jet to give Michelle & Oprah a little quality time on the continent.  What do you want to bet we hear all about "date night", too.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

It's not a talking point.

It's not a talking point.  It's my point: Obama is jumped on here for every single thing he does.  If he brushes his teeth with the wrong toothpaste, there's gonna be a thread about it.  

How do you know what Obama's European travel agenda looks like?  How do you not know that he's planning a secret trip to meet with his general in Afghanistan, or a surprise visit to the troops in Iraq?   The fact is no one knows what he's planning to do once he's overseas.  And based on what I've read on this site over the past year, I'm pretty sure that even if he does everything right over there, people will find a way to tear him back down.  

You act as if Bush was the greatest president in history, that his policy and time in office should never be questioned.  But can you say one nice thing about Obama?  Can anyone?  I'll be the first to admit that Bush wasn't ALL bad, but I dare any of you to come up with a single thing Obama has done that you can agree with. 

xoxo - Ted

ILTK

Nice of you to plead Obama's case.  You act as if Obama is the greatest president in history, that his policy and time in office should never be questioned.

If Obama does something I can agree with, you'll be the first to know.

 

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

Go ahead and provide just

Go ahead and provide just one link from my history page that gives you the slightest hint that I believe:

 You act as if Obama is the greatest president in history, that his policy and time in office should never be questioned.

Just one, please. 

xoxo - Ted

ILTK

You said:

You act as if Bush was the greatest president in history, that his policy and time in office should never be questioned.

I said:

You act as if Obama was the greatest president in history, that his policy and time in office should never be questioned.

I don't need to prove anything except for the fact that your statement makes no more sense than you think mine does. 

Thank you for making my point.

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

FF~

Re: "If Obama does something I can agree with, you'll be the first to know."  

 

Tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...

[500 billion years later]:

Tick...tock...tick...tock...tick...tock...tick...tock...tick...

 

;)

 

 

My mother's brother's only niece didn't vote for Obama.

Can YOU?

Can YOU name something, because I sure don't know of anything he's done that I would agree with.

But then I already consider him in violation regardless of what he does, so no changing my mind on that.  

So what can YOU name?  I'm actually curious.  Don't say job creation or saving health care!

-Jon

Can YOU name something,

Can YOU name something, because I sure don't know of anything he's done that I would agree with. 

Well DUH!!!  He's just completed Stage 1 of the complete adoption of US Socialism as our future way of life.  That's what he was elected for, remember? 

xoxo - Ted

now you're just being flip

____________________________________________ 
The Emperor, he has no clothes

Wrong again pal!

He was elected to be our first "Black" President. Period! Gimme an AMEN!!

"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"

 

ILTK

A funny answer may be funny, but funny does not equal good.

 

~Yes, actually

Here.  *grin*

That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.

http://newsbusters.o...

nice try

I'm not sure I would count that, libs throw each other under the bus, and Obeyme has no problem doing that.

-Jon

~?

What is "nice try" supposed to mean, exactly?

That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.

http://newsbusters.o...

sorry, doesn't emote very well here

It wasn't meant to be sarcastic. Been a long day.  I'm just tired of the One and anything and everything he does at this point just sets me off.  I'm shutting down.

-Jon

I'll take that dare

"I dare any of you to come up with a single thing Obama has done that you can agree with. "

Ill take that dare:  He allowed our special forces to shoot those Somali pirates and retrieve a hostage without giving into their demands for money. I agreed with that 100 percent.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Nope! Not correct!

He didn't do ANYTHING on that one.  It was a field decision by the CO on the ship to order the firing.

The only thing he did about that was he took credit for it after it was over.  All he did was wait, kinda like what he's doing in regards to Afghanistan.

Got another?

-Jon

~Give me a break

We're not saying that Obama did something right, we're saying that there are comments on NB where Obama has been given credit by people who thought he did/said the right thing at some point.

I wasn't agreeing with Obama about anything, I was giving ILTK an example of what he thought was impossible.

That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.

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I stand corrected

I stand corrected, and having seen your style of writing, I didn't think you were agreeing with Obeyme about anything. 

I just thought he was issuing a challenge to us on this thread.  My bad, it's what I get for being a newbie.

-Jon

It was a challenge.  I'm

It was a challenge.  I'm not pretending to be anywhere but on an extremely conservative website, but to say that Obama is doing nothing right is a pretty ignorant statement.  For those of you whose taxes will be lowered under Obama's time in office, surely you'll be donating that money to the GOP.  The families receiving tax credits for buying new homes, tuition credits, additional unemployment checks, and ugh, those of you who took advantage of the cash for clunkers program.  Do you disagree with all of that, or will you continue to pretend that you didn't actually benefit from this?  

xoxo - Ted

not one of 'those'

but are you saying those who did should be grateful to be getting back their own money?

____________________________________________ 
The Emperor, he has no clothes

It's more money that you

It's more money that you would have received under the previous administration, so yeah.  I think a little graciousness is in order.  But I'm not holding my breath. 

xoxo - Ted

well now I am curious

how much money will that be, that I should be gracious about not having been taken from me.  On average.  Middle class home owner person recieving no public assistance whatsoever.

____________________________________________ 
The Emperor, he has no clothes

Oh, so you've already filed

Oh, so you've already filed your taxes for fiscal year 2009?  What exactly was the final tab? 

xoxo - Ted

ted

asking you what it will be - so I can be gracious and you won't have to hold your breath.

____________________________________________ 
The Emperor, he has no clothes

You're asking me to predict

You're asking me to predict what your federal tax burden will be this year?   

xoxo - Ted

aw cmon

you didn't play with the Obama tax calculator during the campaign?

____________________________________________ 
The Emperor, he has no clothes

Bush Tax cuts, remember?

Have you forgotten the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003? Oh, that's right,  those cuts were for the rich, correct?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Yeah.  Those cuts really

Yeah.  Those cuts really helped out the economy, eh?  Really saved us from recession, eh? 

xoxo - Ted

Your ignorance is

Your ignorance is staggering.  Cuts to marginal tax rates leave more money in the hands of individuals (you, me and yeah, some of those people who actually create JOBS, you imbecile) to spend on what they determine they need.  This leaves them more money to spend, save or invest.  They can go out to eat (keeping restaurants open and restaurant employees in jobs), they can purchase products and/or services and they can make investments on their own behalf...creating economic opportunities, more jobs and (hello) MORE TAX REVENUE.  The fact that more tax revenue was generated to the Treasury during the Bush Administration was, unfortunately, offset by the fact that government spending increased disproportionately.  Now, thanks to the infant we have in the White House, we have the worst of both worlds: decreasing tax revenues (because you can't tax income when there are no incomes to tax) yet more spending.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Okay, here's how this is

Okay, here's how this is going to work.  Unless you can leave petty emotion out of this, I'm going to ignore you.  In this case, I got to "imbecile" and stopped reading.  

Grow up. 

xoxo - Ted

I don't care how you think

I don't care how you think "this is going to work".  You're a moron and a fraud, so your opinion doesn't matter.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

And you're obviously a child

And you're obviously a child who can't keep his emotions out of a debate.  Thanks, I know how to treat you now.

xoxo - Ted

Yawn.  Don't flatter

Yawn.  Don't flatter yourself.  Nobody here has an emotional investment in you. You're just the standard, uneducated troll that populates this site.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Lame.  xoxo - Ted

Lame. 

xoxo - Ted

taxes lowered??

Um, that I know is not correct, I haven't seen any proof that taxes WILL be lower, considering all the spending going on with the deficit, what's going to pay for all that, wishful thinking?  What's the deficit up to now, 7 Trillion or 9 Trillion?

The value of the dollar is lower than before because of China and we're looking at inflation that's about to pop at any time, that means more money lost on just about anything.

How has anything in the last 8 months alone been any benefit to the people?

-Jon

Let's see.  The national

Let's see.  The national debt is up to $11,775,148,569,702.

It was at $5.7T when Clinton left office.

It was at $9.8T when Bush left office.

 

xoxo - Ted

Math, Ted

So...

Up 4.1 over 8 years with Bush.

Up 2 over 8 months with Obama.

More liberal logic of, "Hey, Bush/conservies were bad, so that negates that we are way way way way way worse."  

 

Right, because there's no

Right, because there's no way that investing in America's future will ever generate federal income.  That's a rather subjective delusion.

xoxo - Ted

Bush Bad, Obama good!

So, Bush deficits are bad for America, Obama deficits are good.  Is that what you're telling us?  

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How exactly did Bush's tax

How exactly did Bush's tax cuts keep us from recession? 

xoxo - Ted

How soon they forget!

You may have forgotten this, but those cuts brought us OUT of a recession. 

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Um, really?  Because I kind

Um, really?  Because I kind of remember this recession we're in starting while Bush was in office.  Or am I making that up? 

xoxo - Ted

No, you're just avoiding the previous recession

"Or am I making that up?"

No, you're not making that up, you're just avoiding the previous recession and the fact that the tax cuts were designed to end that recession.  They were never designed to PREVENT a recession.  

You're also avoiding the fact that Bush and the Republicans correctly PREDICTED this recession and offered solutions that would have prevented this recession by promoting reforms that would have prevented the collapse of the sub-prime housing loan market and the credit market, but they were stopped by the Democrats who gained majority control in Congress in2006. 

But go ahead and Blame Bush for this recession. God knows you need to blame someone other than the people who actually caused this recession, the very people who now control both Congress AND the White House.  Bush makes a great scapegoat for the failures of the Democrats, including Obama, doesn't he?

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Wow.  Blaming the Dems for

Wow.  Blaming the Dems for the recession while W fought nail and tooth against them.  Next you're going to blame me for the recession.   

xoxo - Ted

Whio fought against whom?

Who fought against whom?  BUSH offer those reforms and the Democrats refused to consider them.  Just like they did with his SSI reform  proposals.  The Democrats even  applauded themselves during his SOTU address for killing those reforms!  Now SSI is facing two or more years of, yes you guessed it, DEFICITS!  Are you going to blame Bush for that too?

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~For information on the recession

Please watch this video. For further information, see here.

That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.

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~!!!!

Everybody's arguing their opinions here, watch the videos of Barney Frank and Co., Ted. Then tell us what you think of their own words about the situation.

 

That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.

http://newsbusters.o...

chose

I've seen that. Let's hope someone here educate's himself.

 

Ratcheting up spending some

Ratcheting up spending some 5 X/times on already-bloated, bureaucratic programs, etc., as a way of "investing in America's future to maybe generate Federal income" (er, experimenting), is not a "rather subjective" delusion. It's a complete delusion.

You may be very quick on the draw with us here, but you're just not that bright. Sorry.

 

Awww, there you go taking

Awww, there you go taking the low road again.  Calling someone else dumb doesn't make you any smarter - it just means you can't control childish emotions.

xoxo - Ted

Ted

And you can't refute what I said. Yeah, everything you're writing and your many retorts paint you as "dumb", to use your word. Yes, I'm being a bit childish and emotional now. You got what you want. Happy?

I think someone somewhere has cloned my liberal brother, and they've dispatched them all to make me go mad.

 

Yeah, I'm thrilled.  Here I

Yeah, I'm thrilled.  Here I thought I could find some honest debate, and instead I get called any number of names because immature, irrational posters can't leave their emotions out of a stupid, completely meaningless debate. 

xoxo - Ted

Then why continue?

"immature, irrational posters can't leave their emotions out of a stupid, completely meaningless debate. "

If this debate is"stupid" and  "completely meaningless" as you contend, they why do you continue it? 

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didn't you start this 'debate'

with 'get over it' as your opening statement?

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Kata

"Get over it.... and here's how I'll systematically and obsessively labor on this endless thread to see that you.... get over it."

And now he's yelling "immature" to me/us.

Libs are manipulators of the highest order!! :p 

 

meh

its situation normal, Shy.  I rather liked Ted when he wasn't trying to 'debate'.  Now its a heavy dollop of trollish contrariness with a sprinkle of self-righteous indignation.  You take it too seriously.   I'll share my chicken soup :)

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Did

Did I?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2009/09/29/cbs-s-schieffer-sees-no-problem-obama-olympic-trip#comment-1044386 

xoxo - Ted

Ted

Make sure there's no space after your copied-pasted link. Like this:

http://newsbusters.o...

Which is when you said "get over it", and it's a mere 3 minutes after your "first" post, so you're just trying to irritate Kata, among, well, just about all of us.

My apologies for my ad-hominum, btw. But not for anything else I've posted here.

 

forgive ted

he's on a mac and apparently can't make the links work. :)

Thanks for the moment of

Thanks for the moment of peace, k. 

xoxo - Ted

lol

its the only one you'll get I think - being as you have 4 argument prongs by my count that you are only 'winning' by ignoring the fact you've lost.

the fact of the matter is that Obama still has nothing of note to pin to his lapel.  Now he's back doing his Senator's job and trying to get the Olympics to his home turf.  Whether Bush did that or not, is of no matter.  It really isn't up to the Prez to get that job done no matter who it is - but at least he did it at less expense to the taxpayer. 

cheers and g'luck Ted!

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Ted

You're projecting. I'm just honest. This is how I'm seeing you now. It's not immaturity on my part.... "my part". Got those two key words? Okay.

 

Excuse me?  Whose taxes

Excuse me?  Whose taxes will be lowered under Obama's time in office?  Sure, people may be paying less income taxes this year...but that's only because your President has seen to it that they have less income from which to pay taxes.  Additionally, he's going to make the Bush tax cuts expire next year...another tax increase.  Oh, and that's ignoring the fact that he is bound and determined to raise sales taxes on items he finds objectionable (energy, cigarettes, soda...regressive taxes that will clearly damage the poor and middle class more than they will the "rich").  Drop in his woefully irresponsible attempt to control the health insurance system and that dishonest shell game he played with the $8 a week "tax cuts" earlier this year is exposed as the ACORN-worth fraud that it was.  Dude, you're an economic illiterate.  You embarrass yourself with your overconfident display of ignorance.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Ah, finally someone busts

Ah, finally someone busts out the GOP Book O' Talkin' Points, predicting a future that hasn't happened yet.  You wanna argue the outcome of any other fairy tales?  I've always been rather fond of the Gingerbread Man.

xoxo - Ted

Translation: I Love Ted

Translation: I Love Ted Kennedy is an ignorant parasite who got caught stepping out of his area of expertise (that's assuming he has one to begin with)...and with his stupidity on display for all to see, he won't even attempt to argue on the substance of his disagreement because he's in over his head.  So, like the coward he is, he retreats to the comfort of transparently lame ad hominem.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Gee, that's funny.  Because

Gee, that's funny.  Because this entire thread started by Blonde calling me out for using Liberal talking points.  Just continue rewriting the rules until you can win the game. 

xoxo - Ted

Be certain, I've already

Be certain, I've already won on the facts, and you know it.  But as the victory is over someone as inconsequential as you, it doesn't merit consideration.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

You can't win this debate

You can't win this debate until your predictions of the future come true.  

xoxo - Ted

I've already won the debate

I've already won the debate because I completely debunked your Obama "tax cut" myth.  Not that it presented a challenge.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Except you didn't.

Except you didn't.  Sorry. 

xoxo - Ted

Leave it to someone of your

Leave it to someone of your limited intelligence not to admit that he's been flogged.  It's OK, even if you won't publicly come to terms with your abject failure, it's on display for all to see.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Say it enough times and

Say it enough times and maybe you'll start believing it. 

xoxo - Ted

That's a pretty interesting

That's a pretty interesting philosophy.  I was wondering why you kept repeating yourself.  Now, I know.

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."  -George Best

Yo're not looking for debate.

"You can't win this debate until your predictions of the future come true."

  You ask the impossible for you're not looking for debate, you're only looking to debase anyone who disagrees with you and your Liberal ideals.

 

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All I'm getting here is the

All I'm getting here is the typical conservative argument predicting the future.  You're the ones keeping score, not me. 

xoxo - Ted

Typical what?

No, you're getting some rather rigorous debate and even answers to your various challenges.  But the only responses you focus on are those which you can use to demean others. I would call that behavior a "typical liberal argument."

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You're kidding, right?  I'm

You're kidding, right?  I'm demeaning?  There's a demeaning statement from pretty much every person I've interacted with on this thread.   

xoxo - Ted

Humm.. let's see

Humm.. you accuse me of acting childish, you accuse another as being a stalker, you insinuate that people don''t offer debate but, instead,  avoid it by 'answering a question with another question" and you continually berate us for our "typical" debating skills .  And now you accuse "pretty much" everyone of posting demeaning statements about you . No, that's not demeaning behavior, is it?

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Hold on there.  Let's be

Hold on there.  Let's be honest here.  I accused you of acting childish only after you called me names.  I accuse pahuber of being a stalker because he's a stalker.  I'm happy to either provide you personally with all of the proof, or you can spend you time sifting through our history.  You're completely obtuse in your reasoning.  And I guess you're going to believe whatever you feel conveniences your argument the best, so I'll leave it at that. 

xoxo - Ted

I called you a troll

I called you a troll, a name, because you tried to insult someone without even having the courtesy of replying to them directly.  You USED someone else's response to that person in which to demean them.,.  Or are you trying to tell me that "shhhh.  they don't like it when you correct them" was meant as a compliment?

As for your proof of "stalking," I don't care.  Your very accusation is false.  If you were really that concerned  that someone was stalking you, you'd contact the authorities because stalking is ILLEGAL!  But you're not actually being stalked, are you?

You may not understand this, but posting replies to the comment you post here, no matter where or how many times this happens, is NOT a form of stalking.  Stalking is when people follow you around in REAL LIFE, not on the internet and certainly not in a single public website.

So ether stop accusing people of stalking, or call the authorities and have them arrested.  I, for one, don't care.

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You're either not being

You're either not being serious or you haven't been reading this entire thread. My "Shhhh" comment was responding someone who backed an argument by someone responding to my post, so I had every right to do so.

Pahuber has been stalking me for months. He does not respond to the subject matter of my posts. He merely drops by to tell me I'm dumb or that I'm making a poor argument. I call that stalking. Like I said, I'm happy to provide you with a dozen links to our history where this is proven. But it seems to me you don't want to believe that, because it's a liberal vs a conservative 

xoxo - Ted

Wrong, jon_torlin...

CobraMan is correct.  Obama authorized that field decision to be made [the CIC could have issued orders to the contrary], and CobraMan agrees with the authorization--as should any fair-minded observer.  However, you have just proved yourself to be less than fair-minded.

Jer

Shhhhh!  They hate it when

Shhhhh!  They hate it when you correct them. 

xoxo - Ted

You really are a troll!

You really are a troll! 

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You made it a surprisingly

You made it a surprisingly long time before resorting to childish name calling.  Is that what you do when you run out of arguments? 

xoxo - Ted

What argument?

What argument are you referring to?  You didn't offer an argument, unless you consider "shhhh" to be an argument.

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You're kidding, right?

You're kidding, right?  Because you've made 20 something posts on this page. 

xoxo - Ted

Yea, and none of them used "shhh" as an argument

Yea, and none of them used "shhh" as an argument.   As a matter of fact, you asked us if there were any policies that Obama has made that any of us agree with, you offer this as a challenge , and I answered you yet you haven't responded to that. 

As a matter of fact, the only response you made to my answer was one you posted jer  with your 'shhhh" comment.  Yet you dare to question my debating skills and call me childish!

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I love how people around

I love how people around here answer a question with another question, then blame me for not answering yours before you answer mine. 

xoxo - Ted

Go ahead , avoid the subject

Go ahead, avoid the subject.  I answered you several times DIRECTLY an you don''t even acknowledge it!  So excuse me if I don't shed a tear for your faux disillusionment.

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Your making friends fast around here, Teddy... I knew that if

you kept doing what you were others would finally figure you out.

Your verbal two step is not intelligent... just slippery nonsense w/o substance and accusations.

Carry on.

Dear Stalker, I knew you'd

Dear Stalker,

I knew you'd show up. 

xoxo - Ted

Stalker? You've name called me with this and yet you complain

when you perceive someone has called you a name.

Carry on.

Hay, ted, do unto others.

 "You're kidding, right?  Because you've made 20 something posts on this page. "

Hay, Ted, didn't you just answer a question with a question?  I swear, you're almost conservative in your debating skills.

 

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BTW, toyu still haven't answered the question.

BTW, you still haven't answered the question.  I ask you what argument YOU were referring to, not what argument I was offering.

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Cobra, if you want to

Cobra, if you want to continue this, please PM me.  I'm getting tired of addressing this entire mile of thread we've created here. 

xoxo - Ted

No pm's sorry

No pm's sorry, I don't accept them.  If you want to debate on a public website , then let's do it in public.

Here's an idea, start a NEW thread.  There's a forum you can use here where you can start your own thread..  Although I don't use that forum very often.

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Cobra

But this is all code-speak for "we're getting too emotional" (translated, really, him....) and so he does not want to take a whooping in public anymore because he's getting emotional from the beating. 

 

You try responding to a

You try responding to a dozen different conversations on this thread.  And just when I thought you were becoming reasonable, you show your true colors again.  Thanks for stopping me before I waste any more time on you.  

PS: I never voted for Obama 

xoxo - Ted

Ted

But you're losing in a dozen different conversations. Or, then, why not pick one and ignore the rest? Sure, the rest will say "Hey, you're ignoring the question" but well.... um..... What did you think you were signing up for at NB?

Glad to hear you didn't vote for Obama.

 

This is getting reeeeal

This is getting reeeeal painful, Ted.  Might be time to call it a day.  I agreed with yuor point that Obama's involvement in an Olympics bid isn't really THAT outrageous, and I can even roll with the comparison to Bush's involvement in the DFW bid.  But most of your, um, arguments, in the subsequent 150 posts have been seriously weak.

Gee, uh, thanks...  xoxo -

Gee, uh, thanks... 

xoxo - Ted

~I was just looking for that link

Here's a few comments.

That high-pitched scream you hear is the lying leftist under my heel.

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I can

he said Kenye West was a jack*ss.  (But we weren't supposed to know about that one.)

He also originally planned on moving toward a merit based teacher hiring process - fat chance on that and keep his union base.  I also happen to agree on the all year schooling (with appropriate breaks a la Japanese 3-term school schedules) but I also think the Dept of Education needs to GO.

All of Bush's 'vacations' were not vacations.  They were retreats to places of isolation so he could do his job.  There are many things I don't like Bush for, but his work ethic ain't one of them.

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wrong reason for being a jack@$$

He said it the same way one thug would to another for being an idiot and proving it.

He's got a habit of saying things people want to hear, so that teacher hiring process was just one more thing as well as the all year schooling.  We're talking about things he has done, not things he has said he would do.

-Jon

well that's hardly fair

he's hasn't done anything.

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Oh really, Ted?

Now you're talking out your ***.

I'll issue you the same challenge, Teddy.  You search through my posting history here, and I assure you, there's alot of it because I've been here three and a half years, and you prove to the class, and me, the following:

You act as if Bush was the greatest president in history, that his policy and time in office should never be questioned.

Don't waste a good panic, Ted....however, you've just been busted, yet again.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Blonde, every time Bush is

Blonde, every time Bush is brought up as an argument here, the conservative quickly jumps on the opportunity to remind us all that Bush isn't in office and therefore, the argument immediately becomes invalid.  Bush was in office when the Afghanistan war started, but today it's as if Obama started it all on his own, and is now ignoring that responsibility by trying to bring a few billion in revenue to Chicago.  How terrible?!  Anyone here live in Chicago?  Wanna chime in?

 

xoxo - Ted

ILTK

Correction, Ted. The attack on us on 9/11/2001 -- along with the subsequent and continually increasing attacks for some 15 years leading up to that one -- started the Afghan war, not Bush and not Obama. That also goes for the overall War on Terror, which includes Iraq, geographically, for the stability of that whole region. Obama DOES have the responsibility of continuing the WOT. He is dropping the ball, as he is everywhere.

 

Okay, fair enough - as far

Okay, fair enough - as far as the lead up to the war on terror.  But you've failed to detail how Obama has dropped the ball on this.  He's got the same defense secretary as Bush did, taking the same advice.  But now you're saying it's wrong?  Not there's talk of sending more troops to Afghanistan.  That's wrong too?  Until he starts taking photo ops in front of Mission Accomplished banners, I'm assuming he's still at work.  He's got one thing going for him - he made it 18 days further into his presidency without anyone flying airplanes into any buildings.

xoxo - Ted

ILTK

He's got one thing going for him - he made it 18 days further into his presidency without anyone flying airplanes into any buildings.

Are you saying 9/11 was Bush's fault?

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

You've gotta be f@#$ing

You've gotta be f@#$ing kidding me.  How the hell would 9/11 be Bush's fault, unless you believe one of Michael Moore's conspiracy theories? 

xoxo - Ted

Ted

You're an immature moron, and I think we're all foolishly being red meat to your fun and games here.

It's a game to you, as it is to the president we're now stuck with.

 

actually its chicken

home made - soup, that is.  I'm waiting for the stock to finish simmering ...  ....  so I have time. 

(And its better than the vomitous Polanski coverage and the Spin The 'who's getting the next nuke' Bottle.)

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Okay, on a serious note,

Okay, on a serious note, MrShy.  What's your f@#$ing problem?  Can you not make an argument without throwing personal insults?  Seriously, answer me. 

xoxo - Ted

Ted

At a certain point, which you've reached with me and many others here, no, I can't. I get the feeling the "immature" part is what has you flipping your lid. You're flippant and cute, and you're maybe 25 or 30 (guessing) but even age doesn't always have to do with it.

Jokes dressed up as serious debate points/questions, like the planes/buildings one just made, above, I have Obama (zero) tolerance for.

 

So basically, because you

So basically, because you can't convince me that the conservative/republican mind is the only right in this country, I am immature?  Your name calling and condescending statements are proof of your immaturity.  If you're claiming to be old and wise, you've failed to convince me once again. 

xoxo - Ted

Ted

"So basically, because you can't convince me that the conservative/republican mind is the only right in this country, I am immature?"

NOW you're catching on! Stay with us/me here, and maybe I can upgrade your "status".

Until such time.... 

:)

You're going to have to dance faster than that, Ted

You said it, to me, back it up.  Or take it back.  Because I don't argue moving goal posts. 

The objection to Obama and Afghanistan, Ted, is that he campaigned on it being the "right" war, whereas Iraq was wrong (and by implication so was President Bush).

Now that he's in the messy business of actually having to prosecute the war, his inner peacenik is struggling to get out and he's waffling, he has shamelessly ignored his threatre commander, and is sitting on his thumbs regarding a request from his military that to adequately do their job, they need 40,000 more troops.  Oh yeah, and he's upd'd the ROE while screwing around.  We'll not even get into that fiasco in Gitmo he's created.

Meanwhile he jets of to Europe to do something that could be handled by the State department....only it's more fun for him to do that and he'll get better press.  Because he knows the left is going to go after him with a vengeance if he actually follows his own Afghanistan policy which he clearly laid out six months ago.

The man hasn't kept one campaign promise.  But he sure is on TV alot.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Sorry J, but I don't dance.

Sorry J, but I don't dance.  Obama has already sent more than 17,000 additional troops to Afghanistan.  Do you really think sending 40,000 more of our American kids to war is something that should be taken lightly?  Please tell me that's not what you're thinking.  If it takes him 2 more months to be convinced of this, I'll happily await his decision, rather than to see another American casket on the cover of Newsweek.   

xoxo - Ted

you think

newsweek would do that to Obama?

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Yes I do.

You're doing a pretty good imitation of dancing around here, Ted.  Changing topics as your posts are getting shot down. 

If sending 40,000 more troops is what the theatre commander believes will do the job, then that is what needs to be done.  Petreaeus was RIGHT about the Surge in Iraq...and McChrystal is trying to recreate that WINNING strategy in Afghanistan.  It's a WAR, Ted, and can't be done on the cheap, either in terms of lives or materiel.

And I notice you've ducked, yet again.  Either prove your lame statement to me about what I feel, think, and post about George Bush, or just admit you were wrong.  Either way, but I'm not going to let it slide. 

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Okay, fine, J.  I will

Okay, fine, J.  I will admit I'm wrong only because I'm not sifting through 3 1/2 years of your history (bring on the cheers, gang).  

Perhaps if Bush's team had spent a little more time planning the Iraq war instead of jumping in (and prematurely claiming victory) we could have been out of it by now.  But you heard on the news that McChrystal wants more troops, and you decided that's what's best.  The president knows more about this than you do, and more than anyone on this site ever will.  

Before you accuse me of changing topics, please take notice of how many different members I'm debating with here, and who is really changing the topic.  It sure ain't me. 

xoxo - Ted

Ted

They planned the Iraq war. Then they jumped in, which is what you do when you go to war. You jump in. No one prematurely claimed "victory". No, you most certainly could not "just be out of it by now", as that's almost never how war is. Bush did not foresee the insurgency -- much of it, if not most, foreign-born -- and Obama would not have foreseen that, nor any other president. You go to war and then you adjust. Do you have any idea about past wars?

You're just being an armchair/Monday morning QB with all this blather, and you're clearly not that versed on the history of how wars are fought.

Also, your blanket assertion that a not-very-bright president who has no experience in governing when he took the oath in January of this year, knows more about this than many of us here who I am sure have read-up and/or studied war for much of our lives, is silly.

 

You know why you don't know

You know why you don't know more about this than the president?  Because you're a living room blogger who only subscribes to conservative views.  You'll never understand America, because you don't understand the other half.  You can't possibly relate with liberals because you blame them for all of the problems with the country.  So no, you absolutely do not know more about the war, the economy, or America than the president. 

Now, if you have all the answers as you seemingly imply, why don't you do something about it, as opposed to sitting in front of your computer bitching about us. 

xoxo - Ted

Ted

So no, you absolutely do not know more about the war, the economy, or America than the president.

Impressive, Ted, how you're "absolute" about this.

Never said "I" in my post. I said "us"... "many of us." But yeah, I even think I DO know more than this affirmative-action, community guy. And whine all you want, but those are more than conservie talking-points, they are the truth, about Him.

I certainly know more about America. Most Americans do, and to tell us this jerk knows more is an insult to us. Ted, what does this creep know about? He knows about Chicago and maybe the 1-2 mile radius of that political lowlife world he was reared in. That and DC are his two bubbles.

Now, if you have all the answers as you seemingly imply, why don't you do something about it, as opposed to sitting in front of your computer bitching about us. 

I might, soon. Was thinking I might go into politics some day.

 

How about the constitution?

How about the constitution?  How much time have you spent studying the constitution?  How about the law?  You went to law school, right?  How much time have you spent over the past few years traveling the country, meeting as many citizens as you could, talking to them and attempting to understand their needs?  No, you get your information from conservative news and conservative websites.   

xoxo - Ted

Ted

How about the constitution?  How much time have you spent studying the constitution?

Not a lot.

How about the law?  You went to law school, right?

No.

How much time have you spent over the past few years traveling the country, meeting as many citizens as you could, talking to them and attempting to understand their needs?

A good amount. I think more than Mr. Affirmative pre-2007/senator days/on-prez-campaign-trail (which is the most phony way of "attempting to understand their needs".) Traveling, meeting people from all over, understanding them, not when I'm running for some political office, I've done a lot of. No, that guy has no publicly-made track record of much traveling and getting to know anyone/thing beyond his communities and his 20-year favorite church in Chicago, in his every day life.

Even my extensive traveling this past decade or so aside, plus my childhood, which you don't know about -- and living in NYC, too -- I have gotten to know a wide array of people of many colors, ideologies, cultures. And again, I will bet more than this fraud that you voted for (you did, right?) 

No, you get your information from conservative news and conservative websites.

Oooh, cute, you were not really asking these questions to really find out about me. Now, granted, you look pretty good here, but what if I "surprised" you with one or two more answers? You'd have egg on your face. But then, you're used to spinning when that happens, too. 

 

Nope, you pretty much

Nope, you pretty much answered every question exactly how I expected.  However, the travel/meeting Americans question was really suggesting Obama's time campaigning, going to small towns, blah blah.  

But you're right, I didn't ask these questions to find out anything about you.  I was merely proving a point that the president has done these things, he has these experiences, and therefore has a better idea about what people want.  Remember, a majority of Americans did vote for him based on his campaigning and experiences.  As a NYer, I'm sure you know many different kinds of people.  I lived in NY for several years.  Do people there still think it's the center of the universe?  That the sun in fact, revolves around NYC?  And how about those Yanks? 

xoxo - Ted

Ted

"the travel/meeting Americans question..."

Americans? Was that your question? Don't think it was, and I didn't exclude other countries/people. I am confident I've done more traveling overall -- which includes ABROAD. My biggest argument to you was how we should trust HIM on foreign policy more than so much of what we know and have experienced about people and other countries. (Not "me", necessarily, but the very educated and knowledgeable collective that is NB... which you didn't get the first time.)

Yes, NYC is very much like that. What makes it impossible is that the "world revolves around me" types are mostly liberals. That's a double whammy of insufferability (word?).

EDIT: Correction, you DID write "country" in your question earlier. My mistake. I wanted to emphasize all of my traveling, however, anyway, to show I'm not just in a NYC *or* USA bubble, as that's also important to being the POTUS.

 

"Was thinking I might go

"Was thinking I might go into politics some day."

My advice is to either stick to your singing, or work on your dancing.

Jer

Jer

I could shock you both. I would need law schooling, granted, but that's it.

Going to an Ivy League school and having experience "understanding people's needs" during a dog-eat-dog political campaign, I guess are things that elitists and hypocrites see as being necessities for being a qualified political candidate.

 

MrS... ...

MrS...

... Elitists/hypocrites only...not the down to earth people that don't wear rose-colored glasses 24/7.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

BT... and Jer & Ted

Exactly, BT... Also, did you see this article? NB'er commonsense posted it in a forum.

An except, and one Jer and Ted -- specifically ILTD -- should read, in light of his pompous and all too familiar style of questioning toward me and my desire to one day maybe run for something. About academia experience vs. life experience:

Obama went to Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard without much of a break, taught at the University of Chicago, and then surrounded himself with academics, first in his stint at community organizing and then when he went into politics. It shows. In his limited experience, those who went to Yale or Harvard are special people, and the Ivy League environment has been replicated in the culture of the White House.

Note how baffled the administration is by sinking polls, tea parties, town halls, and, in general, “them” — the vast middle class, which, as we learned during the campaign, clings to guns and Bibles, and which has now been written off as blinkered, racist, and xenophobic. The earlier characterization of rural Pennsylvania has been expanded to include all of Middle America.

Exactly. And confirms what I was trying to explain to him about this small-thinking and, worse, clearly isolated charlatan now in the Oval Office.

 

George W Bush proved that

George W Bush proved that you don't need world experience to be president.

As far as Obama's polls go, what you should be worried about is how things look in 3 years, not today's polls.  Remember, health care is going to look a lot different in 3 years.  The wars will most likely look a lot different, and yes, the economy too.  You think he cares about tea parties?  Like the rest of the democrats, he's probably laughing it off.  There's only a handful of NBers who actually go to these things, and I suspect at least half of them are lying, given the amount of time they spend on this website.  

xoxo - Ted

ILTK

Yes, but there WERE some 1-2 million at the DC tea party, don't forget.

I know a few that went, including an NB'er. I almost did.

 

That number hasn't actually

That number hasn't actually been confirmed.  Regardless, there was quite a turnout.  

Of course, those pesky war marches didn't do much to stop the wars either.  Do you really think these will do much? 

xoxo - Ted

→ Drupal

I know you're not picking up 007memo's whine, are you?

Have you any idea how much fun we have with those estimated attendance numbers? 

Call me a statistics nut.

Call me a statistics nut.  I also know how facts can be exaggerated sometimes to strengthen arguments. 

xoxo - Ted

Fun with numbers...

I have an idea it was about the same amount of fun you can have with silly putty--twisting and stretching it into virtually anything you want.

Jer

→ Yeah Jer

More fun to flatten it out on the funny papers.

If I stretch the image just a little this way, Dondi looks like you. 

Ouch!  Now that hurts. 

Ouch!  Now that hurts.  If you only knew how much I always detested Dondi.

Jer

Oops, Jer

Dondi?

There was a cool boat called a DonZi....but Dondi kinda, um, bites.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Blonde...

My wife's boss owned a Donzi.  We rode in it [very fast]...I drove it [not quite so fast]--it is very cool.  Dondi...not so much.

Jer

Why shouldn't Obama be

Why shouldn't Obama be worried about polls now?  Don't those polls reflect the public support (or not) that congress and Obama have for the legislation or programs they want to implement?  If the polls reflect dissatisfaction in the majority of the population, doesn't that also reflect on the ability of members of congress' ability to get re-elected next year?  If the democrats lose their majority in congress, isn't Obama going to be severely handicapped in accomplishing his goals?

All that seems to me to suggest polls are always important, and that politicians ignore them at their peril.

 

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

Well, you do have a point.

Well, you do have a point.  Although I'd have to separate the president's approval polls from the congressional elections.  Congress members aren't going to be reelected because they haven't done jack.  The Dems are so giddy that they have so much power that they can't even think of something to do.  All of a sudden everything they had in common isn't good enough, and before you know it the completely divided congress will be balanced again, where the Dems won't have enough votes to get all those things they should be doing now done.

Gallup's latest has the president's approval at 52% and disapproval at 39%.  That 52% is roughly the number who voted for him.  Based on that information I wouldn't say that overall a majority of people are against him.  On key issues obviously the number changes, but give it 3 years and things could be quite different in either direction.  

xoxo - Ted

Good Grief

We started this discussion with me admonishing you about using the dead-fish liberal talking points....and you drag out another one about the "Mission Accomplished" banner.  Sheesh.

That's all, I'm tired of this nonsense.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

No Ted

Why don't we just keep those 40,000 troops home, and let the ones over there now fend for themselves.

Or do you really think the theatre commander wants 40,000 more because they won't help him keep more troops alive? 

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Camp David

Imagine how Obama's television time would be decreased if he spent more time there. 

JDW

DAILY WAVE

I didn't know ACORN was getting a lot of money

JDW

I don't think Michelle likes the boutiques there.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Teddy

I used to watch the 3 Stooges, in fact still have many of the shows on tape. They were definitely ahead of their time. One line which comes to mind when speaking with libs is, 'You can't argue with an idiot' . 

So true. It makes no difference what you say to this guy his mindset is frozen in Obama-land. Corner him with every fact and he will ignore you and change subjects.

JDW

DAILY WAVE

I didn't know ACORN was getting a lot of money

Again, provide a link that

Again, provide a link that puts me in Obama-land, as you so childishly call it. 

xoxo - Ted

Who knew?

I didn't know that Bush's Crawford ranch was located overseas and that it took 14 hours just to get there?  Oh, wait, it ISN'T located overseas, is it?  Humm... there goes your comparison, shot to heck with a load of Texas Buckshot.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

You either missed my point or are simply deflecting it.

Obama promotes ad nausem wiser use of energy resources and Americans tightening their belts, yet he's flying all over the country everyday. His carbon foot print and financial expenditure are huge. Yet no one in the MSM is even talking about that. If it were Bush...they'd be all over him. 

double post


...

For what surely must be the 50 billionth time, George W. Bush is NOT the POTUS anymore.  I didn't defend Bush's shortcomings by continuously bringing up the nation's most disgraceful president to date (Clinton) then, and I refuse to allow Obamessiah and his minions to blame Bush for theirs.  Get over yourself. 

Signed, Corny McPoo 

Do Something Amazing!

For the 50 billionth time,

For the 50 billionth time, Clinton is not president anymore.  Get over it. 

xoxo - Ted

Troll.

Troll.

Dear Stalker, How many sites

Dear Stalker,

How many sites are you going to slime me on today?

Did you have something to say about this topic, or are you just, ahem, trolling for me? 

xoxo - Ted

Hi Troll, this is my public service to NBs.

Troll.

pah... Ditto

pah...

Ditto that!

 

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

"For the 50 billionth time, Clinton is not president anymore."

Really? Well he's still acting like he is! Everytime you turn around Bubba is sticking his big red nose into something. That goes for that rodeo clown Carter too!

"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"

 

So you're saying Clinton is

So you're saying Clinton is fair game, but not GWB?  Hmm...okay. 

xoxo - Ted

Mrs. Clinton is fair game.

Mrs. Clinton is fair game.  I'm not to sure about her Husband though.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Sounds like jealousy to me

A "fake" ranch, goldbar?  That sounds like jealousy to me.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Good one, Cobra

You beat me to it...I was reading up on the Prairie Chapel Ranch.  :)

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

What exactly is a fake ranch?

Keep trolling.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Blonde, I think a fake

Blonde,

I think a fake ranch is like a fake commenter here. 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Righto, Chris!

Why didn't I think of that?

Over on my Gator boards they'd call him an Alias.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

I think a "fake" ranch is

I think a "fake" ranch is one where the bunk house is used for sleepovers by the Halliburton board of directors.  ;-)

Jer

VRWC Headquarters.

Hay, don't diss the Vast Right Wong Conspiracy headquarters!  We spend a lot of tax payer money making sure that high tech communications center, with the attached VRWC Weather Machine control center, looks like a run-of-the-mill bunkhouse!

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Well, CobraMan, all I can say is

you should have spent a little more money on some real cattle instead of these.

Jer

The ranch wasn't fake, but he was no cowboy

Weren't the Bushes from Connecticut or someplace?

a job for the Chicago Chamber of Commerce not the President

I remember in one of his speeches Obama said it was crazy to think that he was trying to take over all of these different sectors of society since he had his hands full as it is with two wars and an economic collapse.  How can he justify this foolishness.  He reminds me of some people I work with that are always poking their noses into what everybody else is doing--doing everybody's job but their own.  I hate people like that. 

White House Travel Expenses Bush vs. Obama

I would LOVE to see the total travel expenses that Obama has racked up to date and compare them with Bush's first year (or even Bush's first term!).  After 8 years of Democrat claims that Republicans are not fiscally responsible, a comparison of the two Presidents, One Republican and the other  Democrat, would be VERY insightful.

How about it, Obama?  Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is or will you claim that you NEED to spend more time away from office than in it because you're just too danged important to quibble with the little things, like actually staying in your office and doing your job?

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Money

The problem with that, Cobra, is that Bamster would use OUR money where his mouth is.....but it would certainly be interesting to see how much money he's wasted.  Flying a jumbo jet for photo ops and whatnot....I'm truly surprised he hasn't painted his stupid "O" on the tail.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

You mean....

You mean Daley isn't paying jet fuel money?

Are we talking Attention Deficit here?

Look, a secret base...Oh, here comes Bo the Dog, nice puppy...Chicago, that's where the Olympics should be...Michelle can't handle that alone, Wait someone built an extra room on their house in Gaza, gotta take care of that, Rockets, what rockets...Can we have salmon for dinner...Where is my epee....When is date night...Did Letterman call....

Where's that calendar again?

I think you're on to something there.

We face a deadline... Stimulus Funds...  Health Care debate.. Afganistan...   Public Option...Where's that calendar again?  I could has sworn there was a deadline....  Oh, Jay Leno has his own show now!...  No Public Option!...   GM's not selling cars...  Public Option is on the table...  No investigation of CIA.  How many times do I have to remind you:  NO PUBLIC OPTION!... We may investigate the CIA... 

To be honest, I'm not sure if Obama's suffering from  ADD or just plain old schizophrenia.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Olympics Serve a Purpose

Why have the Olympics in Chicago?  Every criminal enterprise needs a legitimate front operation to wash the dirty money through.  It's just that simple. 

"I've sentenced boys younger then you to the gas chamber.  Didn't want to do it, but I felt I owed it to them."  Judge Smails 

some thoughts...

A. This could be some kind of required payback to his Chicago cronies for helping him get elected.

2.  We're talking 2016 here. I'm sure he thinks that he will be gazing down upon the opening ceremonies (with that trademarked far-away look), while contemplating  the crowning, final  achievement to his new-world-order  reign of power.

(note: This could be problematic, as He is a one-term president. "welcome back Carter").

C. These things are historically, notoriously over budget.

4. There will not be much chanting going on in  the projects on the south side, as they are summarily demolished to put in parking lots for all those world travellers.

E. That's all. Thanks for reading.  

PAY BACK??? YA' THINK????

A. This could be some kind of required payback to his Chicago cronies for helping him get elected."

I can tell you all here, 100%, this man has so much paying-back to do to endless nefarious lowlife, corrupt, power-hungry d-bags in Chicago, it's not funny. And I mean, not funny. At all.

Obama's a skunk. I said it a year ago, and I say it more forcefully now. 

All politicians are not clean. Uh duh. I'm not in la-la land, NOR am I suffering any derangement affliction. Bushes, Clintons, Reagans, Carters (maybe him the least -- yes, I said that, as bad as he was a prez) and so on, all the way down the line really, are in bed with who knows who. That's stuff that comes with the DC/politics territory.

But with THIS MAN, we've all seen -- starkly, in front of us -- what is it now, some hundreds of characters he's associated closely with, instances with said characters, things he's said from his own lips, and the list is endless. The dirt on and around him is so beyond any acceptable pale, for me, and should be for anyone.

It's shocking and frightening that he's running the show.

 

If he really wanted to help Chicago

If Mr. Obama wanted to help Chicago he should pay more attention to outrageous homicide rate in that town. Oh wait, didn't the community organizer already try that? This is the latest and most despicable case http://cbs2chicago.c...

chicago?

Oh yeah, lets invite thousands of visitors to the most corrupt city in the country. Let them roam the streets where feral dogs reside, you know, the ones in the street that beat a young boy to death as an after school activity.Unfortunately, the dogs will get good lawyers and an honor student has died. Fox news in Chicago has been warned not to issue negative stories on the Olympics. (gag order)  

But instead, we focus on troll spews of how we are going to blame all of this on Bush. I am new to NB as others but in the short time I have been here, I have seen an increase in trolls as NB visitors numbers grow. I say we start ignoring the trolls and instead share ideas and truthful news when and where ever we can find it. Let the trolls observe and not continue to spew their garbage and lies.  Challenging them with truth will not impress their spongy brains. I am not a very religious person, so I am not readily willing to worship at the altar of THE ONE. But I do try to avoid evil when it is nearby.

 

Some of us are lured into

Some of us are lured into the Troll's lair and trapped there for a time.  I myself have been known for feeding the lousy buggers.

CBS’s Schieffer Sees No

CBS’s Schieffer Sees No Problem With Obama Olympic Trip

Of course you don't, Bob.  In fact, you don't seem to have any problem with anything Dear Leader does.

Running for Libtard Journalist Shill of the Year Award?

Hope you win!

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Wow!

I can't recall a post that received 211 replies (as of now). Hot topic to say the least. Here's my two cents:

Lovely Dana Perino's usual sedate and unemotional analyses were left on the station platform tonight. In essence she demanded the President meet with his commanders on Afghanistan instead of wasting money on an Olympic campaign for ill-starred Chicago. Then, most importantly she said it would be unconscionable to allow the women of that country to be forced to return to the burkas and subjugation of the Taliban (that's Islam, simply). Her final truth was that if Obama will not give the military the means and support to win the war, say so now and not waste another American life. I suppose, also (and this is my thought), be honest enough and have the kahunas to tell the brave and proud Afghans that stood with us that we don't have the same spine as our forefathers. 

2 cent time

I noticed on some posts about a carbon foot print baz is leaving,   Personally I think global warming is a crock, so baz flying here there and everywhere is not in an issue in that regard.

I reckon the grubbies know albore is full of it, but are supporting that yarn for their own crap and tax agenda, that is the left hand doing something while the right hand is burning gas to copenhagen 

Kangaroo

That was worth at least a dime.

 

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

You bet Harry.  You bet

You bet Harry.  You bet Bob.

 

The dynamic duo is pathetic.  There isn't anything Obeyme could do or say that they wouldn't praise him for it. 

 

The unemployment rate is 9.7% and rising and your fearless leader is exercising his ego.