Appearing on CBS’s Sunday Morning, commentator Nancy Giles shared her thoughts on Congressman Joe Wilson’s outburst: "Some sign waving and you probably heard about it, heckling. At a joint session of Congress....That’s the voice of Representative Joe Wilson of South Carolina, not some drunk at open mic night, calling the President a liar."
Giles continued, denouncing all health care reform protestors: "He later apologized, but still, it was a frightening mix of disrespect and bad behavior, with a dash of this summer’s town hall meeting craziness. I guess we should be grateful that there weren’t any ‘show us your birth certificate’ signs and at least no one beat anyone with a cane, which actually happened in the old Senate chamber in 1856."
Giles would certainly know about "disrespect and bad behavior," on the October 5, 2003 broadcast of Sunday Morning, she compared conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh to Adolf Hitler: "So as Rush’s world has steadily crumbled, it’s no wonder he allegedly had to turn to prescription pain killers....Edgy, controversial, brilliant....Hitler would have killed in talk radio. He was edgy, too."
Here is a full transcript of the segment:
10:12AM
CHARLES OSGOOD: A certain public speaker has been much in the news these past few days and much in the thoughts of our Sunday Morning contributor Nancy Giles.
NANCY GILES: This past week was big speech week for President Obama. Two in particular stand out. Tuesday was the back-to-school speech to America’s students. Would it be an innocent, ‘be cool, stay in school’ chat or an evil socialist indoctrination by some guy with a faulty birth certificate? I watched the speech online and it seemed inspiring. But when I went back and read the text, the devil, as they say, was in the details. Listen carefully.
BARACK OBAMA: How’s everybody doing today?
GILES: Sounds like an innocent salutation, but that’s none of the President’s business. This was an invasion of the students’ privacy, an almost Stalin-esque question.
OBAMA: You cannot drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You’ve got to train for it. And work for it. And learn for it.
GILES: Well, this is the President as dream killer. It’s an attack on the young person who fantasies about winning the lottery, being Paris Hilton, or America’s Next Top Model. You’re not the boss of me, Mr. President.
OBAMA: By the way, I hope all of you are washing your hands a lot.
GILES: Is he suggesting that our children are dirty? That their homes are unsanitary? Who does he think he is? Well, he’s the President. And I’ll say this for the students of Arlington, Virginia, they were polite. They were raised well. They sat and listened. And they weren’t indoctrinated as far as I can tell. Wednesday night was the adults’ turn.
OBAMA: It has now been nearly a century since Theodore Roosevelt first called for health care reform.
GILES: So there was the President in front of a joint session of Congress, making his case for health care reform. It was political theater. Half of the room applauding and the other half sitting on their hands. Some disgruntled muttering. Some texting. ‘I am not listening. I am not listening.’ Some sign waving and you probably heard about it, heckling. At a joint session of Congress.
JOE WILSON: You lie!
GILES: That’s the voice of Representative Joe Wilson of South Carolina, not some drunk at open mic night, calling the President a liar. He later apologized, but still, it was a frightening mix of disrespect and bad behavior, with a dash of this summer’s town hall meeting craziness. I guess we should be grateful that there weren’t any ‘show us your birth certificate’ signs and at least no one beat anyone with a cane, which actually happened in the old Senate chamber in 1856. You know, we don’t have to agree. But you wish your elected officials would act like the classy students in Arlington, Virginia, and across the country, and at least listen to what the President of the United States has to say.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.
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It's not bad behavior for
September 15, 2009 - 16:53 ET by mattmIt's not bad behavior for Obama to lie for 45 minutes, but it is bad behavior for Wilson to call him on it.
It's a topsy-turvy world....especially if you're a leftist.
Howdy matt !
September 15, 2009 - 17:01 ET by RukusBad behavior is right! He should have called him an idiot! OK, and a liar, but I digress... : )
Gary
Levi Johnstoned: The One Trick Phoney!
Exactly mattm... This
September 15, 2009 - 17:01 ET by bigtimerExactly mattm...
This gets old.
There will be backlash in '10...the likes of which the left hasn't seen in quite a long time...the filthy media...all of them had better be prepared.
Btw...I'm curious to know who the 7 repubs that voted with the dems today regarding 'disapproval' of Joe Wilson.
Can't help but wonder if it is the same gang that voted with the dems that got Cap and Trade to go to the Senate...instead of killinbg it in it's tracks, if it is, I hope with all my heart they are targeted...big time...ousted, and a real conservative runs against them.
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Yeah....
September 15, 2009 - 17:57 ET by SlyrrYeah, because THIS woman looks sooooo sober. /sarcasm
And, of course, you have
September 16, 2009 - 14:43 ET by JRJ08And, of course, you have documentation to back up your claim that the President for one minute, much less 45?
It's a pre-Antebellum world, especially if you're a Republican.
The Truth Hurts
September 15, 2009 - 16:57 ET by NorthCoasterNancy,
"The Truth Will Set You Free!"
When we find out who the 7
September 15, 2009 - 17:08 ET by ConservativeRexWhen we find out who the 7 repubs are who voted to discipline Rep Wilson, we need to do everything we can to support a candidate that will primary them and then support that candidate. Find them, expose them to the light, then throw them the hell out.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
CRex... You know it! I
September 15, 2009 - 17:17 ET by bigtimerCRex...
You know it!
I agreed above.
I just have a feeling it may be the same that did the Cap and Trade voting with the dems.
I'll be looking after a bit...
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He/she who plays the Hitler card first...
September 15, 2009 - 19:59 ET by Army BratLOSES...
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
Donate to Joe Wilsons campaign fund here...
September 15, 2009 - 20:17 ET by Army Brathttp://www.facebook....
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
"at least no one beat anyone with a cane"...?
September 15, 2009 - 17:07 ET by superconwhich actually happened in the old Senate chamber in 1856
Maybe she should talk to Kenneth Gladney because he can speak of a beating that was much more recent.
" if Republicans are able to stop Barack Obama on health care, 'it will be his Waterloo, it will break him...." -Sen. Jim DeMint
CBS
September 15, 2009 - 17:08 ET by ForbusThat Nancy sure is a looker!
Is that her? I thought it
September 15, 2009 - 17:35 ET by Kat Outta the BagIs that her? I thought it was RuPaul.
she's a looker all right....
September 15, 2009 - 18:12 ET by pantryman...lookin' like about 12 miles of unpaved highway....
I'm white and friggin-A straight proud of it
If Wilson would have mooned
September 15, 2009 - 17:10 ET by nwahsIf Wilson would have mooned the President he would have cinched the 2012 nomination. You listening Sarah? These people are easy to please.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
this particular story
September 15, 2009 - 17:14 ET by katainkentreally seems to have gotten under your skin.
→ There goes nwahs
September 15, 2009 - 17:18 ET by Cool ArrowHe fantasizes about a middle aged man's buttocks, quickly catches himself, then makes a snide remark about Sarah Palin in an effort to divert attention.
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CA... ...at least he's
September 15, 2009 - 17:21 ET by bigtimerCA...
...at least he's off Rush for a bit.
I think...haven't checked everywhere since I haven't been here that long yet.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
See below
September 15, 2009 - 17:33 ET by nwahs:)
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
How do you figure?
September 15, 2009 - 17:31 ET by nwahsLast week Rush said conservatives are like the Delta House fraternity from Animal House. Conservatives are the bawdy misfit fraternity mooning the elitists. Rush is really right on the mark. If you think of a stunt that would garner applause from the members of the Delta House fraternity, it will probably garner applause from the conservative movement today.
So moon Obama. Spit jello on Nancy Pelosi. Egg Barney Frank's car. Run Harry Reid's shorts up the Capitol flag poll(half-STAFF!).
All that would be approved by the Delta House and the conservative movement today. Just ask Rush. Rush has proclaimed you the Delta House of politics.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
nwahs
September 15, 2009 - 17:36 ET by FeynmanFancan you provide a link to the transcript of Rush saying that conservatives are like the Delta House Fraternity? I'd like to read the statement in context.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Nwahs - never mind. I found it
September 15, 2009 - 17:43 ET by FeynmanFanHere's an exerpt that explains how Rush was using the analogy. I think you might have missed the point, Nwahs:
"So when Obama had some lesson plans drawn for teachers to jam down elementary children's throats, Americans didn't bend over and say, "Thank you, sir, may I have another?" Gibbs made the perfect analogy here with the Animal House movie, he probably didn't even realize it. Barack Obama is Dean Wormer and his administration is all these elitist frat boy kids who think they're better than everybody else lauding it over everybody. He's working with an elitist fraternity with members in it like Van Jones and Bill Ayers and the State-Controlled Media, and their goal is to run the campus, the country, for their own benefit, and the rest of us are just a bunch of Blutarsky slobs not smart enough or cool enough to be in their fraternity. The last time I watched Animal House the joke was on Dean Wormer and these arrogant frat boys. The food fight that we're having -- if that's what Gibbs wants to call this -- the food fight we're having now isn't hurting anybody. It has the whole country laughing at people like Obama and Gibbs, who think they're too cool for the room. "
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
→ Can't be it Feynman
September 15, 2009 - 17:49 ET by Cool ArrowThere's nothing in your excerpt about "mooning"
I guess there's always the possibility nwahs fantasized that too.
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cool
September 15, 2009 - 17:52 ET by FeynmanFanI don't want to speak for nwahs but perhaps he was taking poetic license with Limbaugh's reference. Depending on one's frame of mind, mooning might be a logical conclusion.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
→ So it's subliminal?
September 15, 2009 - 17:56 ET by Cool ArrowDoes that mean Maureen Dowd really did hear "boy"
Just kidding. I'm just stretching this in the same way nwahs did.
I didn't see the connection between Joe Wilson's butt and Sarah Palin.
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Cool
September 15, 2009 - 18:09 ET by FeynmanFanWhat Dowd did was provide a textbook example of people hearing what they want to hear. It's more an indictment of their frame of mind than it is of the person they're projecting their own beliefs onto.
As for the connection between Wilson's butt and Palin, who knows what goes on in nwahs' mind? He'd have to expain that himself.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
FF:
September 15, 2009 - 18:00 ET by SickofLibsInsanity is not a frame of mind.
It's a clinical condition.
(just getting a few last salvos in for the night; gotta light the grill)
I think you might have missed the point, Nwahs:
September 15, 2009 - 17:51 ET by vrwc13I think you might have missed the point, Nwahs:
...he was just trying to spin it to a lib advantage and it blew up in his face like this...
v
...an error was made in 2008
But its true!
September 15, 2009 - 18:03 ET by nwahsTry to think of one prank in Animal House that, if done to the left, wouldn't have the visible conservative movement applauding!
It is so dead on the mark. I'm praising Rush. In this he is exactly on the mark. Its become a fraternity, a bawdy fraternity.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
OK, you're right
September 15, 2009 - 18:08 ET by Cool ArrowSneaking a horse into Bawney Fwank's office would be funny.
Isn't that a dainty dish to set before the queen?
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It is so dead on the mark. I'm praising Rush. - Shawn
September 15, 2009 - 18:12 ET by vrwc13Yeah maybe, but it's sad when that elitist fraternity guy gets drunk at a party and drives off a bridge with his date...no wait, I think I'm mixing stories here...
v
...an error was made in 2008
Rush is so absolutely right in his characterization
September 15, 2009 - 17:57 ET by nwahsHe has the movement pegged, absolutely pegged. This movement is about thumbing their noses at the establishment. So picture a stunt from Animal House that would actually be legal or kind of legal, and it will get you praise in the conservative movement. Spit mash potatoes, spit jello. You're on your way to the 2012 ticket.
I'd like to remind readers I was ahead of the curve some months ago in comparing the new conservatives to frat boys shooting beer out of their noses.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
well
September 15, 2009 - 18:01 ET by katainkentgiven that there are only two choices in that particularly analogy I'd definately take sides against the elistists.
Doesn't mean I'd start a food fight, or that I liked what Joe Wilson did on the floor. Which I stated. Repeatedly.
I do believe that makes nwahs a liar yet again.
September 26, 2009 - 14:40 ET by JWFnwahs: ...Rush said conservatives are like the Delta House fraternity from Animal House.
Rush Limbaugh: ...the rest of us are just a bunch of Blutarsky slobs not smart enough or cool enough to be in their fraternity.
Blutarsky was in Delta House, he was not the entire fraternity.
You lying again nwahs just to distort Rush for your own petty reasons?
This is the second distortion we have heard about Rush Limbaugh from the LYING LIAR NWAHS. Why does nwahs intentionally distort what Rush Limbaugh says when the actual quotes are so easy to find/
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
as I may have said before
September 15, 2009 - 17:36 ET by katainkentI don't listen to Rush. This was a personal observation. This issue with Mr Wilson truly seems to have gotten under your skin. You, like the mainstream media, are more focused on the outburst than the reasons behind it.
By the by... Its flagpole.
→ No he hasn't
September 15, 2009 - 17:38 ET by Cool ArrowI'm sorry! Did he say conservatives?
When did I proclaim myself to be a Republican?
I'll admit I'm no Democrat, by any stretch, but I'm no Republican either.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Shawn: Can I be John Belushi?
September 15, 2009 - 17:43 ET by vrwc13...I love the look of powdered sugar on my lip after eating donuts!
v
...an error was made in 2008
I kinda liked the part with the mashes tatoes
September 15, 2009 - 17:45 ET by katainkentI'ma ZIT! Get it!?
Do that to Obama
September 15, 2009 - 17:49 ET by nwahsAnd you're VP material!
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
I take it
September 15, 2009 - 17:54 ET by katainkentyou don't want to actually engage in conversation about your MSM-like obsession with this outburst.
Fair enough.
→ That's fine vrwc13
September 15, 2009 - 17:46 ET by Cool ArrowAs long you don't block nwahs' view of the old guy's butt.
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Thanks -->Cool...
September 15, 2009 - 18:03 ET by vrwc13...but don't I go on to become a Senator? HEY WAIT, maybe that's where Franken got his idea!
v
...an error was made in 2008
Can you do that little walk?
September 15, 2009 - 17:48 ET by nwahsCan you do that little sneaky walk outside of the library(?) I forget what the building was. I have the DVD ($5 from WalMart!). I might watch it tonight.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Can you do that little sneaky walk outside of the library(?)
September 15, 2009 - 17:56 ET by vrwc13...was that when he went dumpster diving for the mimeograph carbons of the test?
Yeah, I can do the walk...
v
...an error was made in 2008
...and speaking of dumster diving...whoa, caught with pants down
September 15, 2009 - 18:26 ET by vrwc13Couple robbed while inside dumpster - ht/Drudge
BY STAN FINGER
The Wichita Eagle
WICHITA — A man and woman decided to give the phrase "dumpster diving" a new twist over the weekend, crawling inside one on North Waco so they could be alone.
But while they were engaged in what Wichita police described as "an intimate moment," they were robbed by a man armed with a pocket knife.
It all unfolded shortly after 6 p.m. Saturday in the 700 block of North Waco, police said, when the man and woman, both 44, crawled into a dumpster for privacy.
A short time later, a 59-year-old man and his 64-year-old companion interrupted the couple inside the dumpster.
With the older man encouraging him, the 59-year-old man pulled out a pocket knife and took shoes, jewelry and the 44-year-old man's wallet.
Police were notified, and officers found the two suspects a short time later. The stolen property was recovered.
vr... What a lovely
September 15, 2009 - 18:33 ET by bigtimervr...
What a lovely setting...for all participants.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
bt...there's got to be a
September 15, 2009 - 18:37 ET by vrwc13bt...there's got to be a good joke in this somehow...likened to a 'mile high' club?
v
sarc !
September 15, 2009 - 18:02 ET by RukusYou forgot to put the /sarc/ at the end of that d'in ya. What? You didn't! Color me blah blah blah! I love yer forum, hate yer hate fer Rush. Juz sayin' shawn, juz sayin'... : )
Gary
Levi Johnstoned: The One Trick Phoney!
I sware
September 15, 2009 - 18:07 ET by nwahsI do not hate Rush. I think he is a gifted entertainer ( thats why I listen to his show). I hate that people have found a political leader in him.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
nwahs--
September 15, 2009 - 18:15 ET by Kat Outta the BagThat's exactly how I feel. About Obama, that is.
doh!
September 15, 2009 - 18:18 ET by katainkentI wish I'd thought of that one ;)
Kat... That needed a Spew
September 15, 2009 - 18:23 ET by bigtimerKat...
That needed a Spew Alert Warning...
I'm truly laughing, that was a 'Pow, Right in the Kisser' post!
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Ouch
September 15, 2009 - 18:24 ET by SeftonGood one, Kat
And I
September 15, 2009 - 19:00 ET by nwahsIMO, Obama is a television moment much like Susan Boyle. He was an unknown state Senator that gave a fantastic keynote speech at the 2004 Democrat convention. No one knew what to expect, like Susan Boyle, and he performed eloquently like Susan Boyle. But its a television moment, not a sustained talent. Some people don't know the difference. As much as I love Susan Boyle in her moment, I don't think she will be memorable name in music history. I don't think Obama will be a memorable President other than for being the first African-American President.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
nwahs!
September 15, 2009 - 19:03 ET by FeynmanFanThat was a pretty lucid statement, my friend. Are you drinking? ;)
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
→ What was that?
September 15, 2009 - 19:09 ET by Cool ArrowIt's as though he got hit in the head with a brainiac nutrino.
Any chance he kept it for future use?
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Cool
September 15, 2009 - 19:13 ET by FeynmanFanIt's the liquor talking.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Always
September 15, 2009 - 19:28 ET by nwahs:~$
Thanks. I suspect because we agree :)
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
I appreciate your candor,
September 15, 2009 - 19:11 ET by Kat Outta the Bagduplicate posting
I appreciate your candor,
September 15, 2009 - 19:07 ET by Kat Outta the BagI appreciate your candor, but I have to disagree. I believe Obama will go down in history not only as the first (half) black president, but also as the most ineffective one since Carter.
Hold on there Pard
September 16, 2009 - 06:21 ET by theduck6Thems is mighty small shoes to fill.
nw... Oh I don't know
September 15, 2009 - 19:07 ET by bigtimernw...
Oh I don't know about that, we have a long way to go yet.
He may be memorable more than you know before it's over, so far he's even further left than than Carter was in many ways...I just hope he is memorable for not getting anything passed he has on his platter for this country, if it is, this country won't be the same in many ways.
OCare
CapnTrade
Amnesty
Fainess Doctrine
Card Check for Unions
Just for starters...
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
sorry...he is not the first African American President...
September 15, 2009 - 20:11 ET by Army BratHe is the first Mulatto President.
I am Blackfoot Indian and Irish. Am I Blackfoot? No. Am I Irish? No. I am both and neither.
Facts are facts and he aint Black. End of story.
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
→ Brat
September 15, 2009 - 20:14 ET by Cool ArrowI won't even try to question Obama's blackness.
I imagine throughout his life, black was his ethnicity.
Mulatto is a technicality, but it wouldn't help him pass for white at the dinner table.
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Cool
September 15, 2009 - 20:16 ET by FeynmanFanWouldn't it be something if Obama could just be an American?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
→ There's a thought
September 15, 2009 - 20:20 ET by Cool ArrowIf asked, I'll say which country my ancestors came from, but I don't identify myself with that country.
This should never be a Hyphen-Nation.
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Cool
September 15, 2009 - 20:22 ET by FeynmanFanYou are wise beyond your years, Grasshopper.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
My ancestors came from a lot
September 26, 2009 - 15:09 ET by Kat Outta the BagMy ancestors came from a lot of different countries, so there'd be a lot of hyphens for me. I'll just settle for European-American...or All American Mutt ;-)
Have you ever eaten
September 15, 2009 - 20:18 ET by nwahsHave you ever eaten a muffaletta? Whenever I hear Mulatto I think of muffaletta, I dunno why. Now I'm in the mood for a muffaletta.
What are you a geneticist or a damn bigot? I'm betting you're a damn bigot unless you start spouting science.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
nw... OK...I'll
September 15, 2009 - 20:25 ET by bigtimernw...
OK...I'll bite...what the heck is a muffaletta?
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
Its a GREAT sandwich
September 15, 2009 - 20:27 ET by nwahsGoogle it ( or whatever search engine is bipartisan). Its a wonderful sandwich.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
nw... If I was going to
September 15, 2009 - 20:31 ET by bigtimernw...
If I was going to google it I wouldn't have bothered to ask you.
Never-mind...you answered close enough, it's a wonderful sandwich.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
→ That's good nwahs
September 15, 2009 - 20:32 ET by Cool ArrowI guess we can be thankful we didn't get down to the difference between an octaroon and a macaroon.
I never understand why people want to take away Obama's race, but leave his blackness.
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It goes back to the one drop law
September 15, 2009 - 20:59 ET by nwahsIt goes back to the one drop laws. Its a pretty good bet that some of us have some American Indian blood in us. It probably goes back 3 or 4 generations an no one cares. We still identify with the culture we were brought up with. Well the one drop laws were to identify anyone with African-American blood in them - even 3 or 4 generations ago. It doesn't matter what culture or race you identified with, some stranger could classify you as "colored." This guy is going to decide Obama isn't black because he's not a pure bread. Its exactly like the one drop laws. Its bigotry.
Most of those laws no longer exist BTW.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
How much African-American blood is in you nwahs?
September 26, 2009 - 14:46 ET by JWFAre you half-black? Oh, I am sorry, that is bigoted. Let me rephrase. Are you half-white? Now we can commence to the funnies. Right?
nwahs--
September 26, 2009 - 15:05 ET by Kat Outta the Bag"This guy is going to decide Obama isn't black because he's not a pure bread."
Unless you're talking Wonder Bread -- and Obama is definitely not that -- I think you mean pure bred.
CA--
September 26, 2009 - 15:07 ET by Kat Outta the BagI don't get it either. He's 50% white, yet people want to sweep that part under the carpet as if it's something to be ashamed of.
nw... Looked it up...does
September 15, 2009 - 20:34 ET by bigtimernw...
Looked it up...does sound good.
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
They're delicious
September 15, 2009 - 21:01 ET by nwahsThey are delicious. Mother's restaurant has the best!
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
nwahs demonstrates the stages of intoxication
September 15, 2009 - 20:27 ET by FeynmanFan1. When you first start drinking you relax and say things that make sense. This throws people off guard.
2. After a six-pack or two you start to get hungry and talk about things like muffalettas.
3. In the final stage, you become belligerent and start calling people out. This is the stage where you get your a$$ kicked.
Thank you, nwahs, for sharing your evening with us.
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
Well I suppose you don't agree
September 15, 2009 - 20:34 ET by nwahsI suppose you don't agree now. You don;t think I should have called Army Brat a bigot.
Imagine this. A person identifies with a certain culture, for whatever reason, and you take it upon yourself to decide they don't belong to that culture. I'll put the stickler for detail on the same level as a person who reminds an adopted child "that isn't your real parent."
Then I'll kick both of their asses with my empty whisky bottle :)
Sorry I won't abide a bigot of any race. I guess the honeymoon is over :(
:D
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
A persons race does not determine their culture...
September 15, 2009 - 20:42 ET by Army BratRace and culture are two different things entirely.
Try again.
That dog won't hunt either. Where you gettin' your dogs?
Obama is a liar and Truth is killing his Marxist Agenda.
You're a plant
September 15, 2009 - 20:44 ET by nwahsYou're a plant .
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
He's a plant?
September 15, 2009 - 20:48 ET by FeynmanFanYou know about horticulture, too?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
nwahs sentences are getting shorter every day,
September 26, 2009 - 14:48 ET by JWFYou is a plant.
You is a troll.
Maybe someday we can hope to see this short sentence -
Bye.
nwahs
September 15, 2009 - 20:31 ET by Army BratI am neither geneticist nor bigot. You would lose your bet. However, the fact that Obama is in fact a Mulatto seems to have upset you. Is his "Blackness" of any consequence when it comes down to it? For that matter, is his "Whiteness"(?) of any consequence? No. But you make it so.
I was raised in a Military Household. My parents taught me to judge men by their actions, by their words and deeds, not the color of their skin. I will not attempt to defend myself against your unwarranted and bigoted accusation.
I state a simple fact and you suggest that I am bigoted.
I suggest that you are one of the many "Racers" out there. Attempting to make racists and bigots out of anyone that does not lick the boots of the Messiah.
Sorry. That dog won't hunt.
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
→ The dog won't hunt
September 15, 2009 - 20:36 ET by Cool ArrowBecause the dog is dead.
My point is that Obama can pass for black, but not white.
For some reason you feel it necessary to get into fractions.
I don't think it's necessary and certainly not helpful.
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Cool...
September 15, 2009 - 22:15 ET by Army BratI don't go from site to site bringing this up. It is in fact the first time I've brought it up. I didn't really think it was of any real consequence. Have I missed something? Is Mulatto now a racist word? I've missed stuff before but...
I had seen this subject come up elsewhere and there was no fecal storm. The subjects of Bigotry and Racism did not come up. Come to think about it...that was about 6 or 7 months ago.
Guess the Honeymoon is over?..
→ No Brat
September 15, 2009 - 22:23 ET by Cool ArrowI just don't see a point to arguing Obama's blackness.
I'm guessing a very high percentage of blacks in this country are not pure descendents of original slaves.
The argument sounds too much like the "One Drop Rule" from a shameful time in our past. To deny Obama's blackness at this point seems too much like revisionism.
Regardless of his race, he's intent on destroying America. That's my problem with him.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I beg to differ
September 15, 2009 - 20:36 ET by nwahsYou are a bigot. You have no dog in the hunt as to what culture Obama identifies with. For you to correct the the path shows you're a meddling old woman or a bigot.Which is it? You're an old woman?
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
I knew it would come to name calling.
September 15, 2009 - 20:50 ET by Army BratBecause you have nothing else to offer.
Where is the bigotry? I don't get it. you make zero sense.
I grew up in Alaska where racism is not tolerated.
When some racist Bozos moved to our neighboorhood from the lower 48 and tried to bring their racism with them...they encountered a problem. When they tried to start some racially based problems in the parking lot at our High School, they were met not just by the Blacks they were going to try and start crap with...but by me and about 300 other "white boys" that were there to kick theit sorry racist asses inside out.
Count yourself lucky that you can't' call me racist to my face.
You would most certainly wake up with a crowd around you.
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
You're right
September 15, 2009 - 21:27 ET by nwahsThere was a better way to discuss that. I don't know you so I can't call you a bigot (Lord knows that never stops anyone from calling me a liberal). I should have stuck to how the post seems rooted in the same bigotry as the one drop laws. I apologize for calling you a bigot, sincerely. I don't agree with you post, but I should not have called you that.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
nwahs
September 15, 2009 - 22:26 ET by Army BratApology most sincerely and heartily accepted.
My intent was not to stir feces ...just to comment on what I saw/see as an inaccuracy.
I was going to try a stab at some humor...but it's too soon I think...Maybe later...
My blood was slowly boiling
September 15, 2009 - 23:19 ET by RescuedByRushMy blood was slowly boiling as I read this portion of the thread, and the associated accusations and rebuttals related to bigorty. Backwards Shawn, I've been reading this site for over a year, and have to admit that I can't figure you out. But, I'm glad you recanted your accusation, and I'm glad that it was accepted.
"Bigot" and "racist" are thrown out as epiteths too often. There are clear lines of demarcation in assessing one's bigotry, or lack thereof. It's the old geezer that laments the arrival of black footbal players at Notre Dame that crosses that line; not the anonymous poster at NB that leaves his word out there, free to be twisted.
I seldom see true bigotry expressed in posts at NB. All too often I see it interpreted into posts. In this case, I'm glad to see that it was, properly, abandonned and reconciled.
Idle thought: I'm always surprised at how much traffic/comments come from the entries at NB that have a race theme.
Me too
September 15, 2009 - 23:25 ET by general companyI'm always surprised at how much traffic/comments come from the entries at NB that have a race theme.
But it isnt us, it's the media. Take care
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Yeah, I know. Doesn't
September 15, 2009 - 23:43 ET by RescuedByRushYeah, I know. Doesn't make it less tiring, though. When you want to leave it behind, it's frustrating to have to keep talking about it. While it's necessary to defend yourself, it feels like a death march. "Some of my best friends are..." and, "I went to school with..." are just defensive postures against bogus accusations.
Sometimes I wonder wether or not just flat ignoring the preposterousness wouldn't be a better strategy.
nwahs
September 15, 2009 - 20:56 ET by cajun2I do not intend to interfere in your posts but I thought I might inject an entry on "culture". In New Orleans, after slavery ceased, there was a problem with birth records for children fathered by the evil plantation owners. The birth certificates showed race, there was even a formula for that determination. Mulato became part of the record. Over the years, the record keeping has been corrected, of course, and now shows, bi-racial. The terminology stayed in the white and black community but is dying. The bi-racial folks lived isolated and separate from the black and white communities. Not much of an issue today. For instance, Sen. Mary Landrieu is "mulato" but no one even notices.Her father was Mayor of NewOrleans for many years and well respected.Mulatos in New Orleans basically became a third culture in the area. Some of the language, like other traditions, tend to linger in the area. Pardon my lack of historical details but we forget sometimes the origin of parts of our language,culture, and traditions. 'just saying.
See my post on the one drop laws
September 15, 2009 - 21:03 ET by nwahsSee above on the one drop laws.There was no M designation - only C - colored.
Politics is showbiz for ugly people
Someone is getting squeezed and angry and lashing out.
September 26, 2009 - 14:52 ET by JWFnwahs: You are a bigot.....
Trolls get squeezed. Trolls last out at the nearest human. It is troll nature. Can't be changed. Fortunately, it is right before they pop. It will all be over soon folks.
Kat
September 15, 2009 - 20:22 ET by Army BratBeauty.
islam is a lie and Truth is killing it.
If Wilson would have mooned the President...
September 15, 2009 - 17:15 ET by vrwc13...nah, but the new president would put him in charge of NASA!
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...an error was made in 2008
vr... Lol... What...not
September 15, 2009 - 17:18 ET by bigtimervr...
Lol...
What...not the Truth Czar?!
'Go Green...Recycle Congress'
The truth about Rush's addiction
September 15, 2009 - 17:12 ET by nkviking75"So as Rush’s world has steadily crumbled, it’s no wonder he allegedly had to turn to prescription pain killers...."
Nancy, dear, Rush "turned to prescription pain killers" after spinal surgery. Unfortunately he became addicted. But he faced it and went to rehab, and by all accounts it was successful.
Instead of practicing psychology, try seeing a psychologist.
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)
Kids must've got the wrong message
September 15, 2009 - 17:25 ET by Sefton"Tuesday was the back-to-school speech to America’s students. Would it be an innocent, ‘be cool, stay in school’ chat..."
Maybe he should've been more specific - like, don't beat the crap out of kids on your school bus or knife someone the first week out.
Wow
September 15, 2009 - 17:25 ET by BondPlainBondI'd love to know her tone of voice when she said this. Was it calm and cool as a cucumber, or, was it more in the vein of a Kanye-esque-induced tirade? You know, all crazy up in here.
Tone? Look at that "I swear, I'll kill ya" puss!
September 15, 2009 - 18:26 ET by SickofLibsShe's threatening when discussing gas prices.
Who?
September 15, 2009 - 17:26 ET by EddieWalkerNever heard of her, but that's not much of a surprise. From what I just read, she sounds like another angry lib who's desperate to sound like she has something important to say, but isn't even smart enough to realize she's just repeating the same thing that has been in the liberal websites for the last week. Nothing worse then a hasbeen trying to sound important.
→ Jamie Foxx
September 15, 2009 - 17:29 ET by Cool ArrowI liked him better in "Ray", but this is a good performance.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
"So as Rush’s world has
September 15, 2009 - 17:32 ET by celator"So as Rush’s world has steadily crumbled..."
Well, Nancy (may I call you Nancy?), Rush's world didn't collapse in 2003. I'm sure you were disappointed that your statement didn't come to pass. What do they call that, "wishful desires"? Can't build your life on that, Nancy.
You may not have have kept up, but we are pleased to tell you that Rush is thriving. He's doing better than ever and more success lies ahead of him. Not many people know who you are or have even heard of you. That's not a problem Rush has.
Nancy, you have to face reality: you are basically a media nobody, and that's all you'll ever be.
Oh, one more thing, Nancy. As you prepare to paint the Joe Wilson episode in racial tones, remember this: Obama is as much a slave to George Soros and other radical nutjobs as black slaves picking cotton ever were to THEIR masters.
Chew on that for awhile.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
How Is It
September 15, 2009 - 17:42 ET by BondPlainBondAlmost the whole damn liberal contingent is incapable of admitting Obama lied? They completely skip over that FACT.
I'm glad Wilson stood up. Even a soldier on the battlefield has the duty to disobey orders that are morally and ethically wrong.
When the President of the United States stands before the Congress and the American people and deliberately lies (no muddy waters to sift through, it's all (not) in the bill); something had to be done. I was yelling "LIAR!" as Obama was speaking. Wilson was my echo.
Meet the new spokesperson for Angraholics Anonymous
September 15, 2009 - 17:55 ET by SickofLibsGlad to see that Angela Davis ended up with a "legit" gig.
Say, isn't she that same
September 15, 2009 - 18:29 ET by vrwc13Say, isn't she that same woman that was dancing around about obama paying her house payment and putting gas in her car?
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NEGative...............(thank
September 15, 2009 - 18:48 ET by kangarooNEGative...............(thanks maher you putz)
kangaroo
September 15, 2009 - 18:53 ET by FeynmanFanAren't "maher" and "putz" redundant?
"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error. To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson
The only drunk I've seen on
September 16, 2009 - 05:37 ET by RR GOPThe only drunk I've seen on TV (since Kennedy died anyway) was at the MTV music awards.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
Heavy irony
September 16, 2009 - 06:19 ET by theduck6I wonder if "Kanye West is a jackass!" qualifies for drunk on open mic night as well.
*the irony- first thing I can recall I unabashedly and wholeheartedly agree with President Obama about.
"Petition for redress of grievances" is now "craziness."
September 16, 2009 - 08:58 ET by Indiana Joe"... with a dash of this summer’s town hall meeting craziness."
Yep, that's what it is. People go to "town hall" meetings and voice displeasure over the ruling elite, and it's dismissed as "craziness."
Wake up, people! We have no voice in the running of our country. We shouldn't expect one. We should just shut up, sit down, and do as we're told.
Like good little National Socialists:
"By demagogic appeals to latent hatred and violence ["get in their face," and "call them out," for instance?],... the party gained a considerable following. Its inner councils were swelled by... frustrated intellectuals... and by [an] element of riffraff... while its public adherents were heavily drawn from the depressed lower middle class. [They] minimized the socialist features of the program. National Socialism made its appeal not to an economic class but rather to the insecure and power-hungry elements of society." - Encyclopedia.com
"Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people, commencing demagogues and ending tyrants." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 1
September 16, 2009 - 09:47 ET by jessieHEvery time obama opens his mouth, he lies. I can see where she got her insperation. Kanyea West.