CBS’s Smith: Gay Marriage ‘A Serious Civil Rights Issue’

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Harry Smith, CBS At the top of Friday’s CBS Early Show, co-host Harry Smith teased a segment on the controversy surrounding Barack Obama’s decision to have pastor Rick Warren deliver the invocation at the inauguration: "Barack Obama angers gay rights groups by choosing Rick Warren to give his inaugural invocation." Later Smith brought on Dr. Robert Jeffress of the First Baptist Church of Dallas and David Corn of the liberal Mother Jones magazine to debate the issue, declaring: "President-elect Barack Obama has ignited a firestorm of controversy by selecting conservative Pastor Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration. Warren is an outspoken critic of gay marriage and that has angered many of Obama's liberal supporters."

Later, Smith turned to Jeffress and wondered why Warren would agree to speak at Obama’s inauguration. Jeffress replied: "But I want to say, to me, it's just unbelievable to think that because Rick Warren believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman, somehow that characterizes him as a hate-monger and makes him unfit to pray at the inauguration. I mean, this sounds like bizzaro world to me-" At that point, Smith interrupted: "Well, excuse me, excuse me though, this is a serious civil rights issue in this country."

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Smith began the debate by asking Corn: "Obama chooses Rick Warren to give the invocation. What message do you think he's trying to send?" Corn replied: "Rick Warren compared homosexuals to people who engage in incest and pedophilia. So I think that's – by putting him on the stage at the invocation, Barack Obama is, indeed, insulting a lot of people who came out and worked hard for him...So I think he's reached out a little bit too far in this instance."

Later, Corn reacted to Jeffress defense of Warren: "Rick Warren is, you know, is -- I'm -- you can call it – some people may call that hate-mongering. It certainly is being very dismissive of people who love and choose to live their lives in a different fashion than he does." Jeffress replied: "David, Rick Warren is strictly teaching what the Bible teaches...Rick Warren is simply delivering the message of the Bible. Jesus said marriage is...Between a man and a woman and that's what the Bible is. Rick...is not making up the message he is simply delivering the message...of the Bible." Corn dismissed that argument: "That's the biggest dodge there is...The Bible says a lot of things...Abraham was -- Abraham was a polygamist."

Here is the full transcript of the segment:

7:00AM TEASE:

HARRY SMITH: Barack Obama angers gay rights groups by choosing Rick Warren to give his inaugural invocation.

BARACK OBAMA: It is important for America to come together, even though we may have disagreements on certain social issues.

SMITH: We'll debate the issue.

7:08AM SEGMENT:

HARRY SMITH: We're going to move on now, speaking of presidential politics. President-elect Barack Obama has ignited a firestorm of controversy by selecting conservative Pastor Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration. Warren is an outspoken critic of gay marriage and that has angered many of Obama's liberal supporters. We are joined by Dr. Robert Jeffress, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Dallas, long-time friend of Rick Warren, and David Corn is Washington bureau chief of Mother Jones magazine. Good morning to you both.

DAVID CORN: Good morning.

ROBERT JEFFRESS: Good morning.

SMITH: David, let me start with you. Obama chooses Rick Warren to give the invocation. What message do you think he's trying to send?

DAVID CORN: Well, I think he's trying to send a message of being inclusive and including even people who don't agree with him on many key issues. I think the problem here is that while it's great to have a president who will reach out to the other side and try to make common cause, and I think there are issues where he could do that with Rick Warren, climate change and poverty issues and AIDS, issues where Rick Warren has been very -- I would think -- I would even say somewhat progressive. But when it comes to the issue of gay rights, only about a week or so ago, Rick Warren compared homosexuals to people who engage in incest and pedophilia. So I think that's -- by putting him on the stage at the invocation, Barack Obama is, indeed, insulting a lot of people who came out and worked hard for him and is sort of saying we -- that he sees Rick Warren in total as a religious leader who demands hearing and demands respect when I think there are parts of what Rick Warren stands for are really at great odds with what people who work for Barack Obama believe and feel. He's been very dismissive of a good part of Barack Obama's base.

SMITH: Alright, let me go over to-

CORN: So I think he's reached out a little bit too far in this instance.

SMITH: Okay. Alright, Dr. Jeffress, let me ask you this. Because there are people within the Evangelical community who can't see straight that this invitation has been accepted by Rick Warren because here's a president who is very clear on this issue -- in terms of issues of abortion and other things. Why would you even accept an invitation like this?

ROBERT JEFFRESS: Well, Harry, I think there's a tradition, certainly in the Bible, of the Old Testament prophets, and the Apostle Paul in the New Testament, of speaking before government authorities and using those opportunities to speak a word for God. But I want to say, to me, it's just unbelievable to think that because Rick Warren believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman, somehow that characterizes him as a hate-monger and makes him unfit to pray at the inauguration. I mean, this sounds like bizzaro world to me-

SMITH: Well, excuse me, excuse me though, this is a serious civil rights issue in this country.

JEFFRESS: Well-

CORN: Harry if-

SMITH: Dr. Jeffress, go ahead.

JEFFRESS: Let me say this, I mean, we all believe that polygamists certainly enjoy constitutional rights but those rights don't extend to the right to be married. We have believed historically in this country that marriage is between a man and a woman and that reflects, by the way, the traditions of the three world religions, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Rick Warren is not out of the mainstream with world religions, nor is he out of the mainstream with what the majority of Americans believe.

SMITH: Okay.

CORN: But, Harry-

SMITH: David Corn, I've got about 30 seconds left, go ahead.

CORN: Yeah, but Harry, the issue -- I didn't use the word 'gay marriage' in talking about the objections to Rick Warren. I talked about what he said in comparing gays and lesbians to people who practice incest and people who are pedophiliacs. And so that -- I mean that goes beyond saying 'I disagree with gay marriage,' that's saying anyone who practices these things are pretty loathsome. And so I think in that regard, Rick Warren is, you know, is -- I'm -- you can call it -- some people may call that hate-mongering. It certainly is being very dismissive of people who love and choose to live their lives in a different fashion than he does.

SMITH: Alright, thanks very much-

JEFFRESS: David, Rick Warren is strictly teaching what the Bible teaches-

SMITH: Really, very quickly Dr. Jeffress.

JEFFRESS: Rick Warren is simply delivering the message of the Bible. Jesus said marriage is-

CORN: That's the biggest dodge there is.

JEFFRESS: Between a man and a woman and that's what the Bible is. Rick-

CORN: The Bible says a lot of things-

JEFFRESS: -is not making up the message he is simply delivering the message-

CORN: Abraham was -- Abraham was a polygamist.

JEFFRESS: -of the Bible. And that is the message of Rick Warren and Bible.

SMITH: We've got to go. Gentlemen, we've got to go. And you can feel a little bit of the temperature that this has created by the conversation this morning. Thank you gentlemen, both for being here.

JEFFRESS: Thank you.

CORN: Thanks, Harry.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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Go ahead

Go ahead Harry; get fitted for that wedding gown and knock yourself out.

the tolerant gays

I find the whole controversy funny. The homosexual crowd cries about anyone against thier perverted lifestyle as "intolerant" but show no tolerance of their own. The Pastor is giving an invocation, not being named to a cabinet post or as a policy advisor....

We celebrate CHRISTMAS

Smoke and Mirrors

they make a big stink about "gay rights" and "legalize drugs" as civil rights issues, to distract from the real eliminations of actual constitutional rights: ie, regulations on the 1st Amendment-"hate speech" laws, and the 2nd Amendment-"gun control" and "safety" activities.

Socializing industries, banning by fiat types of foods, penalizing taxes on environmentally "hazardous" activities...atacking the very "pursiut of happiness" enshrined in our founding documents. 

But as long as there's stoned gay couples with no long term memory and hypnotically suggestive mental states brought on by state supplied (under Universal Health Care auspices) addicitve mind altering substances, who gives a rat's patootie about what's really going on?

*barf*

"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

"You spend your money anyway you want and respect other's rights to do the same"

Not being Black

Leads me to wonder how much the black people are insulted everytime a liberals rants about a lifestyle choice being a civil right. I know an overwhelming number of blacks voted for prop 8 in California but I wonder why the gays and lesbians never burned down any black churches or protested in front of any, I guess cowardice doesn't know a gender.

No, it's not a serious civil

No, it's not a serious civil rights issue.  Marriage is a religious institution.  Homosexuality is a non-religious, unnatural choice.  If you choose to be a homosexual, then you turn your back on the natural order of life as God created it.  Don't get pissy when those that actually try to honor God don't want you to be included in some practices of our faith.  You want "civil unions"?  Go ahead!  According to the constitution, there's nothing stopping you!  But don't you DARE call it marriage.  The constitution also gives us the right to free practice of religion.  And our free practice involves protecting institutions and practices we hold sacred. 

There it is AGAIN

That 'C' word... choice. We liberals have NO CHOICE! Everything, every urge, every desire is natural and deigned by nature to be acceptable. Get my sheep, dead Granny and the Cub Scout. I just CAN'T HELP MYSELF. I want to marry them all!!

Inanalable Rights

Gay marriage is an Inanalable right.

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Aren't YOU?

I know I'm switching to powdered soap... takes longer to pick up in the shower at the Y.

→ JOUST

JOUST deodorant soap (with glycerine)

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

→ David Corn wholly flawed

What Corn wants is that Christians bow down to a false god.

Notice they absolutely insist on the word "marriage"?  Wonder why?

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Does anyone else...

...have the same reaction I do to so many of these posts? I see them every day, and I guess I'm beginning to get immune to them, but I have virtually the same initial thought:

"What an ass!"

Is it just me? I mean, Harry Smith has to up there is the Ass of the Year award, don't you think? Wolf's idiotic comment about President's disclosing their funding...anyone defending Caroline Kennedy as a potential good choice for Senator...Charlie Gibson!...Ann Curry...even Cambell Brown can't think she's actually convincing anyone she's without bias...

It's starting to smell like the men's room at Taco Bell around here. 

Harry, Harry, it's not a

Harry, Harry, it's not a "civil rights issuse", it's a morality issue, yours against millions of Americans who view the world from a Judeo-Christian morality perspective. You, Harry, are confused, it's not like black civil rights at all. When your talking about sexuality hetrosexal or homosexual it's about morality. You Harry are an immoral person.

on the subject of religious belief and homosexuality.

Any of these reporters care to ask the arabic world what they think of gay marriage? Ask the terrorist-stringer, shoe throwing "journalists" their opinion on whether homosexual unions should not only be allowed, but actively sanctioned by government? Do they seem to care about how this "offends" the worshippers of Allah?

Or how many more terrorists will be encouraged to attack the "corrupt western world" because it is even more true once these "important civil rights issues" get resolved the way the vast vocal *minority* desires?

And, if it's a "civil rights issue" because a minority is being "oppressed", when it becomes legally sanctioned, does it then become "apartheid", rule of a minority of a majority?

"to call an illegal immigrant an "undocumented alien" is the same as calling a streetcorner drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".

"You spend your money anyway you want and respect other's rights to do the same"

Marriage is not a "civil

Marriage is not a "civil right".  Period.

Exactly!!

 Exactly!!  You can't annul your civil rights, or the rights of another, but you can annul your marriage.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Excellent Point

Civil Rights cannot be annuled.

Good point to add to my arsenal.

Thanks.

Your are welcome

You're welcome.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

At least all your troubles

At least all your troubles would be behind you.

Untill she hits you up for alimony ;)

Untill she hits you up for alimony.  Heh.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

You mean...

Are you insinuating that black people can't choose the color of their skin? Is Michael Jackson just an aberration??

Skin color can be changed, but the genes can't

"Is Michael Jackson just an aberration??"

I wold say yes as he suffers from leukoderma, rare skin disorder which causes the loss of pigmentation.  Mr. Jackson didn't CHOOSE his skin color, the disease did that for him.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Jackson initially claimed

Jackson initially claimed to be suffering from vitiligo, a very slowly progressing loss of pigmentation that produces spots and blotches of pigment-free skin, not the overnight uniform whitening he had.

IMO, he got his skin bleached.

Yes, he did

 "IMO, he got his skin bleached."

Yes, he did, but only because of the loss of pigmentation that was already occuring.  Had that loss not occured, I doubt very highly that he would have changed his skin color. 

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

BTW, it's a rapid process

"a very slowly progressing loss of pigmentation"

Actually, it's a rapid process, not a slow one.

"Vitiligo often begins with a rapid loss of pigment. This may continue until, for unknown reasons, the process stops. Cycles of pigment loss, followed by times where the pigment doesn't change, may continue indefinitely.

It is rare for skin pigment in vitiligo patients to return on its own. Some people who believe they no longer have vitiligo actually have lost all their pigment and no longer have patches of contrasting skin color. Although their skin is all one color, they still have vitiligo."

http://www.aad.org/p...

Also, the treatments vary from person to person, and may include the total removal of ALL skin pigmentation.

"Treatment can be aimed at returning normal pigment (repigmentation) or destroying remaining pigment (depigmentation)."

http://www.aad.org/p...

 

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Abraham (2000 BC) was a

Abraham (2000 BC) was a polygamist and Mohammed (600 AD) was a pedophile.

So what? Californians (and the rest of the US) still unanimously reject legalizing gay marriage at this time.

Harriet Smith, the Tap Dancing Termite, maker-upper of new civil rights.

Communist Goals for America

I have the 45 goals the Communists have for America, that was read into the Congressional Record in 1963. You will be amazed at how the Communists have succeeded by 2008 - 45 years later. I have listed five (5) examples
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

http://HISfacts.blog...

Yep...

They've won. We've elected a marxist to the white house.

Behavioral Rights

The modern Liberal conscience is capable of judgment - it has judged that Homosexuality is normal and natural and those who oppose 'Homosexual Marriage' are abnormal and unnatural.

Liberals have judged that 'Deviant Behavior' should have 'Rights' and that anyone exercising their right to vote against 'Behavioral Rights' should be castigated and stripped of their right to vote.

Homosexuality is nothing more than the pursuit of 'Lust' instead of love.

Homosexuals want 'Lust Rights' for their aberrant behavior.

Homosexual defenders and participants of sexual aberration are using 'Moral Equivalency' to justify their perverse desires and lust by saying: 'Those who oppose us aren't perfect, so they do not have the right to oppose our aberrant behavior'.

Homosexuals then say: 'It is natural to be unnatural', 'Normal to be Abnormal', those who oppose us have lost their moral compass.

Homosexuals are intolerant of anyone who disagrees with their lustful behavior and attack them personally and viciously, all in the name of 'Tolerance' and 'Diversity'.

'Looking for Love in all the wrong places.'

I am loving this! Poor

I am loving this! Poor sincerely liberal Harry - who to support in this mess - your messiah, Barak Obama (who you thought could do no wrong) - or those poor gays and lesbians of the chic set begging for your help? What a dilemma, what a pickle, what a delight to watch...

Holy #%$@!!!! Typical

Holy #%$@!!!!

Typical fall-back of the Liberal when dealing with homosexuality from the perspective of the Bible: "Well Abraham was a polygamist..."  Since when the hell was the conversation revolving around polygamy?  Clearly a sign of great weakness in any liberal when a line like that gets spouted.

I see

I see:

Libs and Dems can choose anything they want to be a civil right because they are entitled.  

Glad I finally understand.  

"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!" 

Typical liberal diversion

Point to someone elses sins to excuse your own.

Abraham's sin of polygamy is the direct source of the Islamist arabs and their hatred.

A homosexual can be called any thing you wish but it will never be a marriage. You can call a skunk a rose all you want but it will never be a rose.

Yes Abraham was a

Yes Abraham was a polygamist.  But he wasn't a homosexual trying to get married either. 

The Bible never said anyone except Jesus was perfect.  But in the end the major characters in the Bible atoned for their sins and turned to God.  

Just because I have done stupid things and repented doesn't mean you can force your stupid things on me and not repent.

What I was trying to say in

What I was trying to say in my original post there was that one sin does not justify another.  But the fact that he mentioned that Abraham was a polygamist proved that he, and all liberals, do indeed believe that one sin justifies another.  Again, it's the typical slippery-slope ideal.

First of all, marriage is

First of all, marriage is not a "civil right."

Secondly, I happen to know more than a few homosexuals here in the Atlanta area, and not one of them supports the idea of gay marriage.

They just aren't interested into long-term relationships with anybody, or so they are telling me.

My guess is, much of this is being driven by the liberal MSM, who are not homosexuals themselves, and have no real idea about the true wishes of those who actually are, aside from some of the more radical coastal dwellers.

-Dave

This nation is about to be brutally raped by the socialists, and the MSM will be a willing participant.

CORN: ......And so I think

CORN: ......And so I think in that regard, Rick Warren is, you know, is -- I'm -- you can call it -- some people may call that hate-mongering.

   Yeah but.... isn't calling someone a 'hatemonger' a form of hatemongering?

Shut up, he explained

"Hatemongering" is a liberal code word mean "shut up". 

Welcome to the era of unity, you racist!

When a liberal attaches the suffix "-phobe"

It means "This person's opinion differs from mine; therefore, this person must be trashed."

"Well, excuse me, excuse me though

"Well, excuse me, excuse me though, this is a serious civil rights issue in this country."

So serious, that Andrew Sullenvan will be taking a day off of his investigative reporting of the maternity of Trig Palin so that he can throw a dildo at Obama on Inauguration Day. 

Mr. Smith

No, No No!

 

There is absolutely no civil rights issue with Gay marriage.

   One way we could really

   One way we could really upset the gay community is to say... OK, you can get married.   What they are really after is attention.  If they could marry and we ignored them they will come back with another issue.  Maybe they will want reparations.  Whatever it is it will have to be something we don't want to go along with so they can cry and protest they are be discriminated against.  You ever been in a room trying to talk to other adults and theres some kid who won't quit interupting because he wants some attention?