CBS: Patriotism a ‘Loaded Concept,’ Some Think ‘Harmful to Democracy’

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On CBS’s Sunday Morning, correspondent Martha Teichner decided to try to define patriotism: "In reality, there may be no more loaded concept in the American political lexicon...The election will be a referendum on patriotism. One of campaign '08's central and most contentious issues." Teichner talked to liberal Brookings Institution analyst William Galston about the history of that "loaded concept": "It wasn't a question of one party or the other. It was President Truman, after all, who revived the idea of loyalty oaths and the legitimacy of imposing them." In the spirit of bipartisanship Teichner added: "Then there was Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy. His extremist views on loyalty and patriotism made his name synonymous with the political witch hunts of the 1950s."

Teichner went on to conclude: "Each side's arguments have hardened over time and become weapons in partisan battles." Her example: "Look at the damage the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did to Senator John Kerry's presidential ambitions in 2004. Over the question of his patriotism." Teichner then examined a different take on patriotism: "Steven Johnston teaches political theory at the University of South Florida. He is outnumbered, but not alone, in believing that patriotism is actually a bad thing, harmful to democracy."

Johnston explained his perspective: "Sooner or later you get to the ultimate test, that the only way that you can definitively prove in any sense that you do in fact love your country is are you willing to die for it. Are you willing to sacrifice life for it? Both yours and others as well?" Teichner added: "To Johnston, the Vietnam memorial in Washington D.C. only reinforces his position." Johnston argued there were not enough names on the memorial: "Even though some people were willing to give their lives for the country in protesting the war, they would not be considered Vietnam veterans. They would not be eligible for inscription."

Teichner cited another liberal to reinforce Johnston: "George Kateb is Professor Emeritus of Politics at Princeton University. He rejects what he sees as the inevitable military component to patriotism." Kateb explained: "The terribleness of patriotism is if you define it as love of country, just simply that with the readiness to kill and die for my country, right or wrong, millions have been sacrificed on the altar of this idol." Last November, Teichner did a fawning tribute on the passing of left-wing author Norman Mailer, who said the World Trade Center "had to be destroyed," following September 11th.

Teichner never cited any conservatives in the story, but did offer some balance at the end of the segment by briefly highlighting one person who admired patriotism: "Four years ago [Nick] Snider, a retired U.P.S. executive, opened the multimillion dollar not-for-profit National Museum of Patriotism. That's right. Museum of Patriotism. Which is in the process of moving to new quarters in downtown Atlanta."

Here is the full transcript of the segment:

9:00AM TEASE:

CHARLES OSGOOD: Just about every candidate in every race appeals to our patriotism and love of country. But that concept means different things to different people as we'll see in Martha Teichner's Sunday Morning cover story.

BARACK OBAMA: The question of who is or is not a patriot-

MARTHA TEICHNER: During campaign '08 has patriotism been a distraction or is it the basic issue?

NICK SNIDER: Patriotism in my heart and my mind, it's working toward building a better America.

TEICHNER: Give me your take on the theme of patriotism in this campaign.

GEORGE KATEB: If a candidate doesn't have much else going for him or her, there's always this word they can invoke.

TEICHNER: A simple word with complicated implications. Patriotism, later this Sunday Morning.

9:05AM SEGMENT:

CHARLES OSGOOD: Just two days to go to election day. A day for doing our patriotic duty by exercising our franchise, by voting for the candidates of our choice. We hear a lot of competing claims about patriotism during campaign years. Which makes it our patriotic duty to try to sort them out. Our cover story is reported now by Martha Teichner.

CLASS OF SCHOOL CHILDREN: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America-

MARTHA TEICHNER: The dictionary definition of patriotism is 'love for, or devotion to, one's country.' That's all. Simple.

CHILDREN: -with liberty and justice for all.

TEICHNER: Deceptively simple.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Patriotism, believing in God first and country second.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I think you need to support our troops. You need to support our leaders. You know, you can disagree but you need to do so in the right way.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN B: Love your country and what it stands for.

TEICHNER: In reality, there may be no more loaded concept in the American political lexicon.

SARAH PALIN: You have never been not proud to be an American. You are proud to be an American.

TEICHNER: Think about it. On Tuesday, voters will not only be choosing between candidates-

[CLIP OF MCCAIN AD]

UNIDENTIFIED ANNOUNCER: Risky, proven, for a stronger America.

TEICHNER: -Americans will be deciding who captures the flag. Or flag lapel pin.

[CLIP OF OBAMA AD]

BARACK OBAMA: Hard work. Honesty.

TEICHNER: The election will be a referendum on patriotism. One of campaign '08's central and most contentious issues.

OBAMA: The question of who is or is not a patriot all too often poisons our political debates in ways that divide us rather than bring us together.

TEICHNER: Recent U.S. history has plenty of examples.

WILLIAM GALSTON: It has roots actually in the 1930s and the 1940s. Some of the debates over communism and domestic communist influence.

TEICHNER: William Galston, now at the Brookings Institution in Washington D.C., served as a policy advisor to Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Walter Mondale.

GALSTON: It wasn't a question of one party or the other. It was President Truman, after all, who revived the idea of loyalty oaths and the legitimacy of imposing them.

TEICHNER: This was a Democratic president.

GALSTON: And very much so.

JOSEPH MCCARTHY: You know the Civil Liberties Union has been listed as a front doing the work of the Communist Party.

TEICHNER: Then there was Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy. His extremist views on loyalty and patriotism made his name synonymous with the political witch hunts of the 1950s. But, according to Galston, the ideological chasm that defined the Vietnam era is still echoing in today's politics.

GALSTON: We are still fighting the Vietnam war as a people, as a culture. Some of the issues on the table are the direct lineal descendants and reflections of the controversies that broke out in the late 1960s over war and peace, over race, and over culture. Like it or not, those debates are still with us.

TEICHNER: Each side's arguments have hardened over time and become weapons in partisan battles.

[CLIP OF SWIFT BOAT AD]

UNIDENTIFIED ANNOUNCER B: John Kerry secretly met with enemy leaders-

TEICHNER: Look at the damage the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did to Senator John Kerry's presidential ambitions in 2004. Over the question of his patriotism.

PETER BEINART: People tried to kind of suggest that John Kerry disrespected the American military because he had been very harshly critical of some of the things the military had done in Vietnam.

TEICHNER: Peter Beinart is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations who has written about patriotism.

BEINART: Democrats and liberals tend to think about patrotism in terms of America's promise, in terms of America as an ongoing struggle to become a better nation. I think for conservatives by and large, patriotism has to do with reference towards the past. The idea that ritual -- flying the flag, putting on a flag lapel pin -- is a vehicle to deeper meaning, whereas I think liberals often tend to believe that ritual is a substitute for deeper meaning.

TEICHNER: Evidence supporting Beinart's view? According to a recent Gallup/USA Today poll, 36% of Republicans think wearing that flag pin indicates someone is patriotic, compared to 26% of Democrats. Saying the pledge of allegiance, two out of three Republicans think that's patriotic. Not even half of Democrats do. But partisanship aside, in a 33-country survey of national pride, conducted by the National Opinion Research Center, Americans ranked among the highest, which would explain that lump in the throat, that tear in the eye, when the 'Star-Spangled Banner' is played and when it's flown.

STEVEN JOHNSTON: I do not stand for the national anthem at sporting events. I remain seated. And I have been doing this since I was in college. And the reaction is hostile.

TEICHNER: Steven Johnston teaches political theory at the University of South Florida. He is outnumbered, but not alone, in believing that patriotism is actually a bad thing, harmful to democracy.

JOHNSTON: Sooner or later you get to the ultimate test, that the only way that you can definitively prove in any sense that you do in fact love your country is are you willing to die for it. Are you willing to sacrifice life for it? Both yours and others as well?

TEICHNER: To Johnston, the Vietnam memorial in Washington D.C. only reinforces his position.

JOHNSTON: Even though some people were willing to give their lives for the country in protesting the war, they would not be considered Vietnam veterans. They would not be eligible for inscription.

GEORGE KATEB: The terribleness of patriotism is if you define it as love of country, just simply that with the readiness to kill and die for my country, right or wrong, millions have been sacrificed on the altar of this idol.

TEICHNER: George Kateb is Professor Emeritus of Politics at Princeton University. He rejects what he sees as the inevitable military component to patriotism.

KATEB: We wouldn't have enemies unless our enemies were also patriotic. I would prefer a world in which the general sense among everybody was, no, that's not how we try to work for the benefit of our particular society. Not by a pumped-up, trumped up, inflated feeling constantly demonstrated often with bluster and meanness. 'I love my country.' Well, prove it. Prove it by trying to make it better rather than making it a more efficient military machine.

TEICHNER: Remember our Gallup poll? It found that 87% of Americans believe that serving in the military is patriotic. But look at this. Even more, 95%, say that voting is patriotic. Indicating the public's definition of patriotism is broad.

NICK SNIDER: This exhibit is the hall of patriots.

TEICHNER: The medallion Nick Snider shows me is of civil rights pioneer Rosa Parks.

SNIDER: And anyone who could not associate building a better America with what this woman has done, I can't help them no matter what I do.

TEICHNER: Someone who builds a better America. That's his definition of a patriot.

SNIDER: Well, this collection here-

TEICHNER: Four years ago Snider, a retired U.P.S. executive, opened the multimillion dollar not-for-profit National Museum of Patriotism. That's right. Museum of Patriotism. Which is in the process of moving to new quarters in downtown Atlanta. Why did you see the need to have a patriotism museum?

SNYDER: This is a pretty emotional issue to me. I think we truly have the greatest country in the world, but I see slippage. So I went home one day and I said to my wife, 'I'm going to do a museum.' And of course, she put her head back, as all wives do, and rolled her eyes.

TEICHNER: Building on his own collection of war-time jewelry, Snider was not a man to be deterred.

SNIDER: I think we'd be in serious trouble without patriotism. I think it's the DNA that makes America so unique. I consider it the glue that holds us together. The beautiful thing about patriotism is it's everybody's.

TEICHNER: Even if between now and Tuesday both Republicans and Democrats might try to convince the American public otherwise.

—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.


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  Patriotism is the

Patriotism is the lynchpin of a free society. Like I said earlier, The Bolsheviks are stomping their feet. They realise The upcoming Obama presidency is their last best chance for a purge of all dissent and opposing thought in America, that the sixties radicals who are now in Congress, sit in our newsrooms and halls of academia, have been lusting over for the past several decades.

Kruschev was right!

Be Afraid America.

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

patriotism

is the willingness to kill or be killed for trivial reasons. -G B Shaw

kumrads die before they're old. kumrads die because they're told. -e e cummings

Both I'm sure references for these idealist professors.  I prefer this:

Free men are aware of the imperfection inherent in human affairs, and they are willing to fight and die for that which is not perfect. They know that basic human problems can have no final solutions, that our freedom, justice, equality, etc. are far from absolute, and that the good life is compounded of half measures, compromises, lesser evils, and gropings toward the perfect. The rejection of approximations and the insistence on absolutes are the manifestation of a nihilism that loathes freedom, tolerance, and equity.

-eric hoffer

 

First, kill all the lawyers.

-Wlm Shakespear

In memphis, TN,

In memphis, TN, Democrat State Rep Ophelia Ford would REFUSED to stand during the Pledge of Allegiance at state meetings. She said she would not pledge a flag of the 'white' founding fathers.This caused quite an outrage so the party leader approached her and asked her if she would prefer to wait outside until after the Pledge.  She angrily told her collegues that "the Constitution provided for her to sit in defiance of the flag"

...the same Constitution...of the 'white' founding fathers that she refuses to respect!

TN, it boggles the rational

TN, it boggles the rational mind. The irony and hypocrisy of these people is astounding.

Ayres the anarchist, and convicted terrorist who fancied/fancies himself a leftist revolutionary in the mold of Che' Guevarra and planned for a purge of at least 25 million souls in his Communist take over of America, was able to cast a vote in a free democratic election for one Barack Hussein Obama.

Disgusting

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Blazer

I miss the 'old' USA!

It's still alive TN. In two

It's still alive TN. In two years we are going to start reviving Old Glory. This glorified pansy ain't gonna ruin my country. Tomorrow I'm going to buy rolls of stamps and begin writing every republican representative and give them what for, And the post office better not try giving me those traitorous muslim stamps. Hang in there we'll be back.

thanks coco, God Bless

thanks coco,

God Bless the USA!

 Someone tell little ol'

 Someone tell little ol' CBS not to worry their pretty little heads over Patriotism.  They've never had it, and they never will have it, so they do not understand the concept.

Strong men make sure that CBS is free to spout their pantywaist bullcrap however. 

Where do they get these creatures?

The swift boaters told their story and it remains unrepudiated to this day despite Kerrys claims otherwise. At any rate it doesn't speak to patriotism, but to cowardice.

Viet Nam vets however do have a problem with Kerrys "patriotism" when that pathetic piece of cow dung stood in front of congress with his fellow VVAW cretins and claimed that :

"They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

John Kerry made a career of these lies he spread and despite his treasonous acts he and Ted Kennedy, another maggot are regularly reelected.

Those of us who survived are aghast and my friends whose names are inscribed on the Vietnam wall, cannot be resting, watching what is happening to the great country they fought and died for. 

 

 

I feel for you

Between Mass and Penn, these folk must have a deep hatred for this country like no other. Disgusting

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Ugh

I used to hear people on the left saying they hate their country, and I think, yeah, yeah, they are just saying that to be contrary or to be noticed.

I stopped thinking that a long time ago.

 

" Courage - a perfect sensibility of the measure of danger, and a mental willingness to endure it. "  - William T. Sherman 

amazing

Lessthan a week later, patriotism is the cool thing to do now. There's change we can believe in folks! 

 

I'm a typical white person.

This touches on the 2 major problems with liberals.

1. For a liberal, nothing is ever defined. Everything is open for debate. No issue is ever settled.

  Patriotism IS defined. Right there in the dictionary. Hard. Fast. Absolute. Love of one's country.

2. Liberals don't understand the "no" word.

  No. You can't have the names of hippies on a monument dedicated to the men that died fighting in a war. A patriot understands that war was approved by the 535 members of Congress and run by the CinC, the U.S. President. You do not protest a war when our men are on the field of battle. You do not like the way the war is going, suggest a better way for us to win it. Otherwise, grab a tall glass of shut the hell up and sit the hell down.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Hmmm at least he unlike most liberals is honest

I'm sure most liberals would love to sit for the National Anthem. These are the typical '60s left-overs and wanna-be's who have never had to fight for anything in their lives. They can afford to be stupid and hate America. Well they nominated someone just like them.  

My version of patriotism is fighting Obama and the democrats every step of the way. My version of patriotism is to make sure that he is a one-termer that gets little to nothing done.

You support the troops by supporting the mission! If you don't support the mission, have the guts to say you don't support the troops.

Obama: Not my President. Ever.

The first step to non-sovereignty.

In order to turn America into a vassel of the UN, it is first required to drop all allegiance to a sovereign entity called America. Once this is no longer a "country" but just a place to exist, then handing the keys to the UN is the next step in becoming a mature member of the World Community. Of course one of those keys it to the Treasury, and another is to the door of the Pentagon. God save us all when that day comes.