On Friday’s CBS "Early Show," co-host Harry Smith analyzed Thursday’s Democratic debate with Democratic strategist Joe Trippi and the left wing editor of "The Nation," Katrina Vanden Heuvel, who called the debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama "a historic first," while referring to Republicans as the "Grim Old Party" and "a restricted white men's club." Vanden Heuvel went to say that, "You also had a sheer -- the difference in policy knowledge and competence between Obama and Clinton and the Republican field to me was staggering."
This analysis of the Democratic debate followed Thursday’s analysis of Wednesday’s Republican debate, which featured Smith and CBS Political Correspondent and former Robert Kennedy speech writer, Jeff Greenfield, with no Republican guests.
Later in the Friday segment, Vanden Heuvel used a prior "Early Show" news brief about a suicide bomb attack in Iraq to claim "Yeah, I mean, you have a surge that isn't working. Look at the piece you just did." Smith made a feeble attempt at balance by replying, "Well that's arguable." Vanden Heuvel went on to shill for Obama "You have McCain of endless war -- of endless war without accountability and you have two candidates, Obama arguably wants to end this war and end the mind set that brought us into this war."
On NBC’s Januray 22 "Today," Vanden Heuvel was similarly unchallenged when she said to co-host Meredith Vieria:
You know what struck me was we are at a moment in this country's political history, when the conservative movement is intellectually, politically and morally bankrupt...interestingly Reagan becomes a focus at a moment when the conservative movement is dead...The conservative movement is dead. Let's get Reagan out of our minds!
On the "Early Show," Vanden Heuvel saw the debate as a great way of bashing Republicans:
But, you know, Hillary Clinton had a good one on the dynastic question, 'it may take another Clinton to clean up after a second Bush’...And Obama was very smart in taking down Romney and McCain, ‘down on the road somewhere the wheels came off the Straight-Talk Express.’
Smith fawned over how well Clinton and Obama got along: "I don't know, here's a picture of the two of them after the debate was over. And it looks like -- it almost like -- looks like Gustav Klimt "The Kiss." Look at that, oh my gosh."
Vanden Huevel, while happy about the Republican bashing, was upset that there was not enough discussion of doom and gloom at the debate and Smith agreed:
VANDEN HEUVEL: You have an imploding economy, thousands of people losing their homes and, and --
SMITH: Okay, and how do they run a debate and nobody talks about the economy --
VANDEN HEUVEL: Alright, you know why, broken schools. But because where are the questions in the debates? We’re at – the media has so trivialized. You thought it was "American Idol" at the Kodak.
Here is the full transcript of the segment:
7:00AM TEASER:
HARRY SMITH: The presidential debate for the history books. And the opponents come out hugging? Will they be the ticket?
7:15AM SEGMENT:
HARRY SMITH: Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama's debate last night was one for the history books, but instead of anger and finger-pointing, they were positive and friendly. CBS News Correspondent Jim Axelrod reports.
JIM AXELROD: If you expected fireworks in the first head-to-head showdown between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, you would have been disappointed.
BARACK OBAMA: I was friends with Hillary Clinton before we started this campaign. I will be friends with Hillary Clinton after this campaign is over.
AXELROD: Frequently nodding in agreement with each other --
OBAMA: I'm not bashful about it.
AXELROD: -- Clinton and Obama looked more like running mates than rivals.
OBAMA: We both want to emphasize prevention.
HILLARY CLINTON: We're having such a good time. We are, we are, we're having a wonderful time.
OBAMA: Any of the solutions that Senator Clinton just talked about are solutions that I agree with.
AXELROD: Focusing on health care and Iraq, the two saved their strongest swipes for Republicans.
CLINTON: The differences between Barack and I pale in comparison to the differences that we have with Republicans.
AXELROD: It was enough to prompt the question would they be running mates? There was good cheer, even in their evasion.
OBAMA: You know, I'm sure Hillary would be on anybody's short list.
CLINTON: Well, I have to agree with everything Barack just said.
AXELROD: At debates end a fitting gesture, Barack Obama helping Hillary Clinton out of her seat. Maybe it was the nasty and divisive campaign in South Carolina last week, but Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both seemed intent on creating a much more cordial atmosphere heading into Super Tuesday next week. Jim Axelrod, CBS News, Los Angeles.
SMITH: In January, by the way, Obama raised $32 million. Clinton reported raising almost $28 million from October to December. Joining us now are Democratic strategist Joe Trippi, Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Editor and Publisher of The Nation Magazine. Good morning to you both. Katrina I want to start with you. For millions of Americans, especially these people voting Tuesday, Super Tuesday, this is where they're really tuning in. This is where they really want to make some determination, which one do I like best? Which one do I want to help get the nomination? Did they learn anything last night?
KATRINA VANDEN HEUVEL: Well, I think what you learned is the striking, staggering difference between the Democratic field and the Republican field. You look at that stage. I know it's been said, but this is a historic first, African-American, a woman. You look at the Republican field as the Grim Old Party, it's like a restricted white men's club. You also had a sheer -- the difference in policy knowledge and competence between Obama and Clinton and the Republican field to me was staggering. So I think people tune in and see that.
SMITH: Because if you look at the debate from two nights ago when there was this grousing between Romney, McCain and on and on --
VANDEN HEUVEL: Yeah, I mean, you have a surge that isn't working. Look at the piece you just did.
SMITH: Well that's arguable.
VANDEN HEUVEL: You have McCain of endless war -- of endless war without accountability and you have two candidates, Obama arguably wants to end this war and end the mind set that brought us into this war. So I think that those are real differences and that's what people are tuning into.
SMITH: Okay Joe Trippi, so this ends up being not about -- this ends up being about the general election less than about Super Tuesday, at least for the take away for the general audience. How about you as you're watching, as somebody who engineers campaigns, did one candidate or the other say, boy that --they came out in front? I'm not sure I saw it.
JOE TRIPPI: No, not at all. I think they both came in with a clear strategy. I think the Clinton campaign believes they've got a strong lead -- or strong enough lead going into Super Tuesday that they didn't want to, you know, rock the boat by doing something controversial. The Obama campaign clearly believed -- and I think they're right -- that they've got big momentum coming off of Senator Kennedy's endorsement earlier in the week.
SMITH: And the money.
TRIPPI: And they want to carry that momentum without shaking things up either. So I think they both came and basically sitting on where they're at and going to let their organizations and their ads carry the day on Tuesday.
SMITH: Were you a little surprised though -- were you a little suprised Joe, that somebody didn't at least --because there's no take-away sound bite, there's no take-away --
VANDEN HEUVEL: I disagree.
SMITH: The only thing -- the only, well --
VANDEN HEUVEL: I think, I mean, there was a good one, Obama -- what was interesting was their jabs were more focused on the Republicans. But, you know, Hillary Clinton had a good one on the die dynastic question, 'it may take another Clinton to clean up after a second Bush.'
SMITH: Okay.
VANDEN HEUVEL: And Obama was very smart in taking down Romney and McCain, 'down on the road somewhere the wheels came off the Straight-Talk Express.'
SMITH: I don't know, here's a picture of the two of them after the debate was over. And it looks like -- it almost like -- looks like Gustav Klimt The Kiss. Look at that, oh my gosh. This is -- I think that was the take away from last night.
VANDEN HEUVEL: But Harry here's a thought. Why was there no take-away? You have an imploding economy, thousands of people losing their homes and, and --
SMITH: Okay, and how do they run a debate and nobody talks about the economy --
VANDEN HEUVEL: Alright, you know why, broken schools. But because where are the questions in the debates? We’re at – the media has so trivialized. You thought it was American Idol at the Kodak.
SMITH: Right, okay, go ahead -- go ahead Joe.
TRIPPI: Harry, I think -- I sort of disagree. Look, I think what was laying down there, Obama was laying down throughout the debate that there was a big difference, judgment versus experience. I mean, Hillary Clinton kept pushing experience, experience, experience. You saw it on the Iraq war where he really, that's the one place where I think he was very effective making his case, that it's judgment, not experience that we need. That was the underlying battle throughout the night. I'd give it a little push maybe to Hillary, actually, throughout, you know, on maybe a one-point win, but nothing really big happened last night.
SMITH: Joe Trippi, thank you very much. Katrina, as always, a pleasure.
VANDEN HEUVEL: Thank you.
TRIPPI: Thank you, Harry.
—Kyle Drennen is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.




















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You would think such a
February 1, 2008 - 13:28 ET by drillanwrYou would think such a group of clueless blackhole dolts collected in one place at the same time would set the Universe into some cataclysmic tailspin into the total destruction of the physical universe as we know it ...
The droning Katrina Vanden Heuvel sets my teeth on edge much like the whining MoDo. Artificial nails on a blackboard.
Talk about clueless
February 1, 2008 - 19:48 ET by motherbeltTalk about clueless blackhole dolts......
...the difference in policy knowledge and competence between Obama and Clinton and the Republican field to me was staggering.".......
"Yeah, I mean, you have a surge that isn't working. - Katrina van den Heuvel
Hey Katrina: who was that female Senator from NY standing and applauding the other night at the SOTU speech when the President said "the surge is working!"????
Was that Chuck Schumer in drag????
I know she's annoying, drill, but give her a break....it's not easy to purse one's lips and talk at the same time.....
the picture
February 1, 2008 - 13:47 ET by seaniepthey love to talk about how great it looks up there, a black man and a white woman! yeah!
and look over there, two old white men! boo!
very little talk about real issues or politics, but the black guy and the lady make fun of the old white men because its cool and hip
sickening
If Hillary and Obama agree
February 1, 2008 - 15:14 ET by kgIf Hillary and Obama agree so much then why are they running against each other?
Obama had better watch his back. We have seen what the Clintons do to friends that step over the line.
"Obama arguably wants to
February 1, 2008 - 13:48 ET by ckc1227"Obama arguably wants to end this war and end the mind set that brought us into this war."
Wow, who knew the Dems had so many magical powers? In 2004 we discovered they have the power to make the crippled walk. Now, in 2008, we learn that they have powerful mind control abilities that allow them to influence and control the minds of those who have sworn to destoy us. How cool is that? I may have to vote for the Dems afterall. Everybody loves a good magic show.
What's scary folks, are the
February 1, 2008 - 13:52 ET by Sonny LykosWhat's scary folks, are the incredibly number of people, including Republicans, that believe this crap.
Nice, more "acceptable" racism!
February 1, 2008 - 15:04 ET by dronetekWhat is the most disturbing thing about people like these, is that they dont
realize they are being just as bigoted as they claim white men are. Who are
these white liberals, who think their ticket to the hearts of the country is to
bash white men as racist cavemen?
Mark my words, if something isn’t done about this crap soon, its going to
morph in to a new era of oppression. The media is becoming more than just
an annoyance and is turning in to a real threat.
The libs are bigots and
February 1, 2008 - 13:59 ET by mattmThe libs are bigots and hypocrites. If the GOP had a black candidate in the race (which they have had plenty of times), or a woman, the Leftwits would call them Uncle Toms or June Cleavers...
I'm just amazed that empty-headed people like Smith and Vanden Heuvel are actually in positions to expound on serious topics before a national audience. How sad.
The Law of Reflective Stupidity
February 1, 2008 - 14:35 ET by KC MulvilleStupid people don't know why smart people are smart. They also don't realize their own stupidity. When others stumble to the same false conclusions they make themselves, stupid people think those others must be as smart as they are - and they're right.
You think the on-air "experts" are fools? They're nothing compared to the fools behind the camera!
Alan Keyes
February 1, 2008 - 15:20 ET by capavI know he isn't a factor (just like Kucinich), but he is a Republican running for president. He was at one of the debates as I remember. Will any msm person recognize that? Ha! (Chris Matthew's voice)
We do have a black man
February 1, 2008 - 15:23 ET by Dan The Man 2We do have a black man running and his name is Alan Keyes. Of course he is not in the top tier but he is running.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
If it's racist or sexist not
February 1, 2008 - 19:51 ET by motherbeltIf it's racist or sexist not to vote for someone because he/she is either black or a woman, is it not racist and sexist to vote for someone just because he/she IS?
NO MORE LIES...
February 1, 2008 - 21:23 ET by danybhoymattm, I laugh at the "conventional wisdom" in the PC MSM that the GOP are racists/bigots. There are some, as in all groups of people, but many forget history. It was the Dems who were the party of POLL TAXES, JIM CROW, & THE GREAT SOCIETY, all of them have done well to keep blacks in their place.
Yea, LBJ got the 64 civil rights act passed, yea he was a Dem, but he got no help from the Dems in Congress. Twits like J.William Fullbright( Bill Clinton's "role model"), Al Gore SR, & the KKK Clansman... Robert "Sheets" Byrd, all worked against it or fillibustered the bill. But it is the GOP that is racist. Riiiiight.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
You haven't convinced me yet
February 1, 2008 - 14:35 ET by ThisnThatKyle, as much as you have tried, you still haven't convinced me it's worth my time to watch this drivel. I know you are bringing us only the best of the shows; and highlighting the most intelligent of the hosts and their guests; and selecting shows with the most advanced topics; and highlighting only the best of the arguments and discussions that took place. Yeah, all of that is great, and I'm sure you have converted hundreds and thousands of fellow NB'ers to tune into this nonsense, but....
I ain't gonna do it. I'm resisting, in spite of the temptation and the private mailbox offers I get. I think I'll just sit back here in NEO-land, where all the bigots and wife-beaters sit, and not join in with the enlightened and privleged set just yet. Sorry. Better luck next time. Maybe if you start to hand out freebees, prizes, and other baubles...
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The morning shows,
February 1, 2008 - 19:54 ET by motherbeltThe morning shows, especially Robin Roberts and Harry Smith, get you to the point where "better than a sharp stick in the eye" starts to look doubtful....
Laughable
February 1, 2008 - 15:01 ET by oregon_jiim"a restricted white men's club."
The only ones trying to restrict minorities and women from joining the Republican Party is the Democrat Party.
"give me liberty or give me death" -Patrick Henry, 1775
"What's the benefit of democracy when you're dead?" -Bashar al-Assad, 2007
All for restrictions
February 1, 2008 - 15:20 ET by Lame CherryHere am I all for restrictions that keep communist Vandenhugeltrotski out of the GOP.
I love knowing that Clarence Thomas is OURS. I will not share him as one Clarence trumps a Teddy, Hillary, Obama, Pig Nose, Barney, Bill, Breck etc.....
The nonsense that comes out of liberals is just so off balance it is hillarious. Apparently the term nazi has been so over used now that liberals have to resort to "restricted men's club".
I guess that means Hillary is welcome in the GOP.
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VANDEN HEUVEL has a need ....
February 1, 2008 - 15:26 ET by robertjacobMs. VANDEN HEUVEL needs a good man to lay her down and ,,,,,, the goodness out of her....
Oops sorry about that.
Signed - A happy white man.
I see we've had drive-by
February 1, 2008 - 20:01 ET by motherbeltI see we've had drive-by troll attack...
I certainly would favor a
February 2, 2008 - 06:10 ET by JerI certainly would favor a politically balanced post-debate panel of analysts, as well as informing viewers of Vanden Heuvel"s progressive/left views. [She is, ideologically, a near (reverse?) mirror image of Ann Coulter, only, I would guess, considerably less wealthy.]
However, in the interest of clarity and fairness, the blog headline and lead paragraph are not entirely accurate in describing the target of Vanden Heuvel's "restricted white men's club" quip. She is unambiguously referring only to the current group of Republican candidates [and even then uses the qualifier "like" a restricted, etc.] and not the GOP or the Republican party in general--as is suggested in the introductory/opinion portion of the blog.
When viewed in this [correct] context, her statement if far less incendiary--irrespective of Alan Keyes' candidacy status.
Jer